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President Obama Releases Long Form Birth Cert.

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darmousseh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3437 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-27 20:37:50
April 27 2011 16:06 GMT
#1
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hZFgg7xUDD1Z6DNk2TJd2ztFnnsw?docId=84576899a8024f1d8050604741af2810

Obama releases birth form, decries 'silliness'
(AP) – 2 hours ago
WASHINGTON (AP) — Responding to critics' relentless claims, President Barack Obama on Wednesday produced a detailed Hawaii birth certificate in an extraordinary attempt to bury the issue of where he was born and confirm his legitimacy to hold office. He declared, "We do not have time for this kind of silliness."
By going on national TV from the White House, Obama portrayed himself as a voice of reason amid a loud, lingering debate on his birth status. Though his personal attention to the issue elevated it as never before, Obama said to Republican detractors and the media, it is time to move on to bigger issues.
Citing huge budget decisions in Washington, Obama said, "I am confident that the American people and America's political leaders can come together in a bipartisan way and solve these problems. We always have. But we're not going to be able to do it if we are distracted."
Obama spoke shortly after the White House released a copy of the long form of his birth certificate, which contains more extensive data than a version released earlier.
The certificate says Obama was born to an American mother and Kenyan father, in Hawaii, which makes him eligible to hold the office of president. Obama released a standard short form before he was elected in 2008 but requested copies of his original birth certificate from Hawaii officials this week in hopes of quieting the controversy.
Until Wednesday, the White House had insisted that the short form certificate was the appropriate legal document confirming Obama's birth and no further proof was needed.
But so-called "birthers" opposed to Obama have kept the issue alive. Potential Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump recently began questioning why Obama hadn't ensured the long form was released.
From New Hampshire, Trump took credit for getting Obama to act.
"He should have done it a long time ago. I am really honored to play such a big role in hopefully, hopefully getting rid of this issue," Trump said.
Polls show large numbers of Republicans have continued to doubt Obama is a natural born citizen eligible to be president. Trump has seized on the issue as he weighs a GOP candidacy.
While Obama and White House officials avoided mentioning Trump by name, officials said they released the birth certificate partially because the issue had moved beyond fringe discussion, and Obama criticized a media culture that had not let the story go.
"This issue has been going on for two, two and a half years now. I think it started during the campaign," Obama said. "I have watched with bemusement, I've been puzzled at the degree at which this thing just kept on going."
"We're not going to be able to solve our problems if we get distracted by sideshows and carnival barkers," the president said.
He did not take any questions and did not say why the document had not been released earlier.
Many Republican leaders have sought to distance themselves from the "birther" theory as a discredited notion not worthy of national public debate.
In a statement after Obama spoke, Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus called the issue a distraction — and yet blamed Obama for playing campaign politics by addressing it.
"The president ought to spend his time getting serious about repairing our economy," Priebus said. "Unfortunately his campaign politics and talk about birth certificates is distracting him from our number one priority — our economy."
The newly released certificate is signed by the delivery doctor, Obama's mother and the local registrar. His mother, then 18, signed her name (Stanley) Ann Dunham Obama.
The form says Barack Hussein Obama II was born at 7:24 p.m. on Aug. 4, 1961, at Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital, within the city limits of Honolulu.
There's no mention of religion. It says his father, Barack Hussein Obama, age 25, was African and born in Kenya and his mother was Caucasian and born in Wichita, Kan. Obama's mother and the doctor signed the certificate on Aug. 7 and 8.
Hawaii's registrar certified the new photocopy of the document provided to the White House on April 25, 2011.
The White House also released a letter from the president on April 22 requesting two certified copies of his original certificate of live birth. Also released was a letter from Loretta Fuddy, Hawaii's director of health, approving the request.
The president's personal counsel, Judith Corley, traveled to Hawaii to pick up the documents and carried them back to Washington on a plane. The documents arrived at the White House around 5 p.m. Tuesday.
AP White House Correspondent Ben Feller contributed to this story.
Copyright © 2011 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.


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Finally. For myself, I had been curious when this issue was first brought up during the election mostly because of him refusing to respond, but now that he has released a long form, unless an expert can prove it's a fake, everyone can now shut up about the issue.

As for the arizona law, I don't think there's anything wrong with requiring a birth certificate as a requirement to be considered for candidacy since it will stop this kind of thing from happening again.

Edit: People calling Americans idiots doesn't really help the thread. I think discussion about the birth requirements, and the political implications of obama's speech are more interesting and help the discussion instead.


Need an obligatory Poll
Now that Obama has released the certificate, where do you stand?
Poll: What do you think of this information?

I never doubted it in the first place (906)
 
89%

I still believe it's a fake (87)
 
9%

I had some doubts, but now I'm sure. (21)
 
2%

I didn't believe it until now (9)
 
1%

1023 total votes

Your vote: What do you think of this information?

(Vote): I never doubted it in the first place
(Vote): I had some doubts, but now I'm sure.
(Vote): I didn't believe it until now
(Vote): I still believe it's a fake




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VIB
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Brazil3567 Posts
April 27 2011 16:07 GMT
#2
Wait, there were people who truly believe he was lying about his birth certificate?
Great people talk about ideas. Average people talk about things. Small people talk about other people.
muffley
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States280 Posts
April 27 2011 16:09 GMT
#3
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Hilarious.
StateSC2
Profile Joined September 2010
Korea (South)621 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-27 16:12:16
April 27 2011 16:12 GMT
#4
On April 28 2011 01:09 muffley wrote:
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Hilarious.


Is that real? LOL
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MangoTango
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States3670 Posts
April 27 2011 16:12 GMT
#5
Conspiracy theories: they can never be slain. Now the evidence will be too perfect and clearly faked. No amount of evidence can ever put a true believer to bed.
"One fish, two fish, red fish, BLUE TANK!" - Artosis
nttea
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Sweden4353 Posts
April 27 2011 16:14 GMT
#6
I don't even know why he did this, anyone thinking he wasn't born in the united states won't change their mind no matter what he does... cause theyre fucking crazy.
HULKAMANIA
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States1219 Posts
April 27 2011 16:15 GMT
#7
On April 28 2011 01:12 MangoTango wrote:
Conspiracy theories: they can never be slain. Now the evidence will be too perfect and clearly faked. No amount of evidence can ever put a true believer to bed.

Yeah that's the hilarious/disheartening part. Ultimately, if someone was actually convinced that Obama was not American-born, no amount of documentation will convince him or her otherwise, even though documentation is exactly what they've been clamoring for.

I feel pretty bad for Obama that he felt like he had to release this information.
If it were not so, I would have told you.
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
April 27 2011 16:15 GMT
#8
doesn't matter. people will deny and deny regardless how much legitimate proof you show them.
Forever Young
KlaCkoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Sweden1661 Posts
April 27 2011 16:16 GMT
#9
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/04/27/president-obamas-long-form-birth-certificate
Makes it seem like he actually had to make the Hawai administration make a long term birth certificate for him since normally citizens of Hawai don't get them just to shut nut jobs up.
Maybe that can be the conspiracy theorists new angle Since he has a "birth certificate" that no other citizen of Hawai has then its clearly fake and he is actually kenyan.
"Voice or no voice the people can always be brought to the bidding of their leaders ... All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger."
Blix
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands873 Posts
April 27 2011 16:18 GMT
#10
This makes me sad... where is the birth certificate of clinton or bush?
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MangoTango
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States3670 Posts
April 27 2011 16:18 GMT
#11
I blame the Trump for this. Sigh.
"One fish, two fish, red fish, BLUE TANK!" - Artosis
Krehlmar
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1149 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-27 16:19:24
April 27 2011 16:19 GMT
#12
No offence americans but I'm beginning to hate republicans more and more, they weren't always soulless assholes who could never win an argument without having a monologue or slander their opponent.

But this is fucking appalling, how the hell can anyone tolerate their own president having to defend himself against such retarded and indignifying falsehoods.

Can the USA fail already so we can all learn Chinese and join the Chinese collective -_-
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Enervate
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1769 Posts
April 27 2011 16:20 GMT
#13
Haha Trump thinks this is his accomplishment lol
Trezeguet
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2656 Posts
April 27 2011 16:20 GMT
#14
On April 28 2011 01:12 State wrote:
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On April 28 2011 01:09 muffley wrote:
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Hilarious.


Is that real? LOL

It's sad you have to ask.
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
April 27 2011 16:22 GMT
#15
You fucking kidding me? I haven't been watching the news lately, but this shit is still going on? I thought this ended after the election was over.
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
April 27 2011 16:22 GMT
#16
On April 28 2011 01:07 VIB wrote:
Wait, there were people who truly believe he was lying about his birth certificate?


yeah...i cant believe the OP doubted. how can you doubt facts? lol

there was already proof beforehand....
Oxygen
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
Canada3581 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-27 16:23:33
April 27 2011 16:23 GMT
#17
where's the "does it even matter?" option?
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eight.BiT
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States240 Posts
April 27 2011 16:24 GMT
#18
Keep in mind the people who are doubting him have been doubting him for the past 3+ years. It's not like any proof is going to change their minds..
garbanzo
Profile Joined October 2009
United States4046 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-27 16:25:51
April 27 2011 16:25 GMT
#19
I can't believe Obama actually released this. It's absolutely ridiculous that there was so much pressure for this to happen. What he released previously is enough proof for the federal government. Like others have said, the fact that the long form has finally been released isn't going to detract those doubters. There are just going to be more excuses.

On April 28 2011 01:06 darmousseh wrote:
As for the arizona law, I don't think there's anything wrong with requiring a birth certificate as a requirement to be considered for candidacy since it will stop this kind of thing from happening again.

Yes, there isn't anything wrong with that. At the federal level. The issue people are having is that the law is an Arizona law. It's pretty ridiculous that a presidential candidate would have to show proof to the federal government to run and then show it to Arizona to be put on the Arizona ballot. And the Arizona law isn't going to stop this sort of shenanigans from happening again.

Suppose that a presidential candidate doesn't provide proof to the state of Arizona and is thus not in the ballot for that state, can that person still continue to run? I mean they can still win the electoral vote without a single state. This would be an interesting situation.
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thehitman
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
1105 Posts
April 27 2011 16:25 GMT
#20
its fake, but its the white house no one can prove its fake.

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