EPTPresident Obama Releases Long Form Birth Cert. - Page 25
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Sweden50 Posts
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Derez
Netherlands6068 Posts
On April 29 2011 02:37 Mohdoo wrote: Can you guys explain why you think the US government is capable of things 1000x more sneaky than this, yet mess up with photoshop? Give me a break. What you guys are saying doesn't even make sense and you know it. You know that it seems weird that the US government would release a REALLY poorly done fake document when they didn't even need to. You don't think the president has the resources to make a fake absolutely fucking perfect? I don't think its fake, and I realize that I'd never know if it was. The US government isn't some dumb kid on a forum who taught himself photoshop. Not to mention that there wouldn't be any reason to photoshop it in the first place. The way more effective way to forge would obviously be to just get 3 random people and have them just sign an empty form. Why would you even bother with photoshop in the first place :/. | ||
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dp
United States234 Posts
But the problem is, even the more intelligent posters are incapable of digesting opposing facts. As has been said, there is no proof out there that would convince them. When one part of their argument fails, they continue down a different path, always equally wrong. They simply don't like obama. It is not always racism, but you would have to be naive to believe a large majority aren't racists, and that that is their underlining reason. They don't like him and so anything negative that comes out is believable. BTW, I am not at all a pc person, so when I call people racist, it's because that is what they are. If you aren't personally racist and a birther, that is fine. But you are the minority. | ||
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tryummm
774 Posts
On April 28 2011 16:07 acker wrote: Type in "birther" and "poll" into Google. The results are depressing. Make sure to use "Trump" and "poll" as a pseudo-control group, though. The polls are only like that because only birthers care about those polls enough to search for them and fill them out. Since they're internet polls you don't get a random sample...you only get a sample of people who frequent a certain website or specifically search for that poll. Internet polls are not considered reliable by most political scientists. | ||
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tryummm
774 Posts
http://gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com/2011/04/critics-obamas-latest-long-form-birth-certificate-is-a-fake/ http://theconservativemonster.com/2011/04/27/photoshop-expert-explains-how-obamas-birth-certificate-was-made.aspx I went on to get a theory as of why the document was broken up into layers: http://www.nkyvoice.com/2011/04/long-form-birth-certificate.html http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/265767/pdf-layers-obamas-birth-certificate-nathan-goulding But, this does not answer the question why in the Obama birth certificate PDF the layers or elements contain dates – which appear to be modified – and the signature of the state registrar. If the document was acquired from state records in whole, why was it necessary to add elements? Goulding and Brooks do not address this issue. So I continued researching... http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=185094 http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=105347 Some online Hawaiian Certificates with seals: http://omgq.com/13.jpg http://www.wnd.com/images/090728birthcert.gif So do you guys know of any professionals have responses to these questions? I am not a birther and hope this document is real, by the way. Download the original here: http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf | ||
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Coraz
United States252 Posts
I love how they opened the file with a hex editor and found inconsistencies in the hashes | ||
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ZeaL.
United States5955 Posts
Of course the left wing criminals in the media will not question the validity of this document, because they are part of the conspiracy. or Finally, also wanted to make the point that regardless of where Obama is born, he’s still not a Natural Born Citizen since both parents were not born on U.S. soil but I won’t hold my breath waiting for the media to educate the public on this fact. You don't bat an eye and think, hey maybe this is bullshit? | ||
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Coraz
United States252 Posts
On April 29 2011 05:11 ZeaL. wrote: When your sources contain sentences like: or You don't bat an eye and think, hey maybe this is bullshit? Kurt Nimmo is such a vitriolic writer (: edit: and no, I don't bat an eye at this. I know alex jones more personally than the glaring with makeup teleprompter reading sock puppets on the corporate controlled media. | ||
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maartendq
Belgium3115 Posts
On April 28 2011 01:09 muffley wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll307/hillbillypharmacist/internetlol/foxbirfcertifct.jpg) Hilarious. Fox News never ceases to amuse me. | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On April 28 2011 23:47 Mawi wrote: "Theres no mention of religion" so how did he get his hussein surname? i read the whole article and if im not mistaken he said he was a muslim(not in the article) but then he said he is a christian, oh well it's not like i care about his religion but im just curious about his surname etc. Sounds pretty awesome Barrack obama Hussein So it seems people think this is fake = Conspiracy Government is corrupted they can fake his birth cert etc Probably more things about this whole " OMFG he aint born in hawaii he born in kenya" Damn that is just sad just let it go.. i still think its a shame he had to prove it that he was born there but oh well rather have the people know the truth instead of going around showing people their conspiracy. His surname is Obama. Hence he is commonly referred to as Obama. | ||
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Navillus
United States1188 Posts
On April 28 2011 23:47 Mawi wrote: "Theres no mention of religion" so how did he get his hussein surname? i read the whole article and if im not mistaken he said he was a muslim(not in the article) but then he said he is a christian, oh well it's not like i care about his religion but im just curious about his surname etc. Sounds pretty awesome Barrack obama Hussein So it seems people think this is fake = Conspiracy Government is corrupted they can fake his birth cert etc Probably more things about this whole " OMFG he aint born in hawaii he born in kenya" Damn that is just sad just let it go.. i still think its a shame he had to prove it that he was born there but oh well rather have the people know the truth instead of going around showing people their conspiracy. He was never Muslim and his last name is Obama... Hussein is his middle name and as not a religious name so yeah, he's not and never was Muslim and his name is Barrack Hussein Obama. | ||
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plated.rawr
Norway1676 Posts
This entire thing is retarded, and a waste of your tax money. If you've ever complained about excessive spending of government money or too high taxes, but you're still FOR the birth certificate test here, then you've now signed away any right to complain about tax or government inefficiency for the rest of your life, as this is the pinnacle of silliness of both. That being said - I am expecting the birthers to be adamant on demanding birth certificates of every candidate from now on untill the end of the Union, including the certificates of wealthy, white politicians from the south west. And I also expect them to be as enthusiastic about the scrutiny of the papers as they have been in this case. Either that, or they'll admit that this is not about following the protocol of Office, but rather about personal attacks, bigotry and xenophobia. | ||
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Euronyme
Sweden3804 Posts
The US is a country formed by fairly recent immigrants either way, so I don't really see how it matters in the first place. Then again it wouldn't surprise me whatsoever if Trump or Palin got elected president, so silliness will probably be pretty common in the future. It'll be interesting to see what new laws that will pop up. I'm half expecting laws such as "The president is no longer electet, but is instead a lifetime job, and the post will be heired to the president's first born son", "Concentration camps will be built to 'employ' people with a high school degree" etc. I'm ofcourse European and biased though, and my opinion in the matter doesn't matter the slightest, so take it for what it is ^^ I think it's important to watch out though, and please, American TLers, elect a president who can spell to Bejujular. Pz ♥ | ||
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Reaper9
United States1724 Posts
On April 29 2011 02:41 werkan wrote: Silly if you ask me.. the fact that this has made such a big fuss is amazing. But now that things have been cleared out perhaps the American people can focus on the more important matters.. This. I seriously don't care if Obama is secretly a my little pony character, or if he descended from another country or the moon. "Can he lead?" Is the question I ask. Why, oh why are my countrymen and countrywomen so split over such nuances, when our education infrastructure is being throttled as I type, our workforce is clearly still suffering (I still don't believe that only 9.2 percent is unemployed, it also does not count the people who had higher wages who were forced to resign, and now have jobs of minimum wage, or indeed those below the poverty line.) We are split, SPLIT over such a trivial thing, and we let our healthcare rot away (or rather, nobody can agree on one thing and STILL avoid the topic). All for the sake of re-election. Seriously, I don't care which party says omg other party sucks, look at YOURSELVES TOO. FIX YOURSELVES FIRST. I will voice my opinion, that Obama has made some "right moves", and he has made a ton of "wrong" ones. So did the presidents before him I might add. I however will agree with what he said. "There is no time for this." We cannot duct tape or quick fix this, it will take a lot more then one or two presidencies of different parties before we can resolve our problems, if indeed at all. | ||
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
On April 28 2011 20:58 feanor1 wrote: You can hold any other office in the country other than the presidency if you are foreign born, you could be a 4 term US senator. Really not that restrictive, and when it was written it was a different era. Besides it is the only thing saving us from the horror that would be schwarzenegger campaign for President. Yeah but I feel like their wouldnt be this debate if he wasn't black. Because your nationality ain't gonna have any influence on your politics and while Obama has done alot to make America more internationalized as a whole he haven't done anything to promote a specific country (which you could suspect a foreign guy in charge would? Besides, he has lived his whole life on American soil (from elementary school and up atleast afaik) it. should. NOT make any difference, which is why this whole case is as silly as it is (especially now that he has published his birth certificatory for the 3rd time or so) | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
Land of the free and brave? Really?! | ||
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Sleight
2471 Posts
This is terrifying news. Quickly, I need to callup Hawaii and have them also forge a certificate for me! Wait, my friends just told me I'm really white, so I must be an American. Whew. Close one. Thank God, I'm not Black with a common name for a population quite a big bigger than the US by some circumstance. ... Guys, how are we fighting over this? How can you actually think this a) matters or b) matters? | ||
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zalz
Netherlands3704 Posts
Ooh wait no ofcourse the powers of the shadow government do not extend to local government 60 year old close to pension grandma's that sit behind a counter all day. By the way, can't there be a rule to execute everyone that actually listens to Alex Jones? It would make me very happy but it would also make the Alex fans very happy because it would play into their fetish for being the victim of an evil government. I knew this was gonna happen. Part of me wished it didn't because being the nice guy that i am i expected even conspiracy theorists to be atleast a little reasonable in the face of overwhelming evidence like this. Sadly i over estimated the conspiracy freaks and they continue to latch onto this bullshit. | ||
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CaptainFwiffo
United States576 Posts
On April 29 2011 05:56 Iplaythings wrote: Yeah but I feel like their wouldnt be this debate if he wasn't black. That's true, although it's partly the "ethnic sounding" name. If he had an "American sounding" name like Jack Brown or something, they probably wouldn't be going for the "he's a moooslum foreigner!" angle. They'd stick to the old-fashioned, dog-whistle attacks like "strapping young buck", "affirmative action hire", "angry black man" or whatever (not that they haven't tried those on Obama also.) They don't stick that well because his personality is so incredibly sedate. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On April 29 2011 05:13 Coraz wrote: Kurt Nimmo is such a vitriolic writer (: edit: and no, I don't bat an eye at this. I know alex jones more personally than the glaring with makeup teleprompter reading sock puppets on the corporate controlled media. Hate to break it to you, but talk radio (from my experience) is just as much teleprompter reading sock puppets under corporate control as anyone else. Unless you're on NPR. | ||
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