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Alizee-
United States845 Posts
On April 29 2011 05:58 -Archangel- wrote: Are people in USA so racist that they would go this far to not have a black president?! Land of the free and brave? Really?! Nothing to do with being black, everything to do with our Constitution and the strict coherence to it. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On April 29 2011 06:29 Alizee- wrote: Nothing to do with being black, everything to do with our Constitution and the strict coherence to it. To be fair, the Constitution has been ignored several times during American history. Witness Lincoln's refusal to recognize habeaus corpus during the Civil War and Andrew Jackson's outright refusing to go along with the Supreme Court's decision related to the Native Americans. The CIA has violated constitutional rights of their prisoners, even American ones, more than once as well. And those are just three that spring to mind. Edit: Just saying all of those are far more dire than a birth certificate, yet they don't seem to be objected to all that much... | ||
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Poststrata
United States110 Posts
When will this end, or more realistically, when will this lunacy be limited to the drug addicts and mentally insane. :r | ||
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ghrur
United States3786 Posts
On April 29 2011 06:29 Alizee- wrote: Nothing to do with being black, everything to do with our Constitution and the strict coherence to it. Are you saying we made such big deals about the birth place of the past 43 presidents, and required their birth certificates? Are you really arguing that the birther "movement" doesn't have racist undertones? LOL! | ||
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jdseemoreglass
United States3773 Posts
On April 29 2011 05:58 -Archangel- wrote: Are people in USA so racist that they would go this far to not have a black president?! Land of the free and brave? Really?! Damn, I'm getting quite a collection of posts here... Keep going guys. | ||
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Hesmyrr
Canada5776 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + but then I don't really pay attention to Canadian politics, perhaps it is equal mud-bath over here. | ||
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tmorita
United States14 Posts
So much other important stuff to worry about, IMO. | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
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Elegy
United States1629 Posts
On April 29 2011 06:39 TheTenthDoc wrote: To be fair, the Constitution has been ignored several times during American history. Witness Lincoln's refusal to recognize habeaus corpus during the Civil War and Andrew Jackson's outright refusing to go along with the Supreme Court's decision related to the Native Americans. The CIA has violated constitutional rights of their prisoners, even American ones, more than once as well. And those are just three that spring to mind. Edit: Just saying all of those are far more dire than a birth certificate, yet they don't seem to be objected to all that much... Wartime greatly extends the powers of the executive to the point where acts ordinarily unconstitutional may indeed become lawful when the nation is faced with an existential threat. Naturally, the existential threat is what the debate tends to be over...moreover, it's questionable whether enemy combatants have full constitutional rights as it is. Hamdi v Rumsfeld and Boumediene v Bush illustrate this. Aliens have the right of habeas corpus, but many other rights are curtailed or entirely forsaken in wartime. And if someone dares to bring up the whole "Congress never declared war herp derp" they should be slapped in the face. | ||
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Brotkrumen
Germany193 Posts
On April 29 2011 05:02 tryummm wrote:+ Show Spoiler + I am open minded regarding the birth certificate until I can find expert opinions regarding its authenticity. Unfortunately, thus far I have only found, overall, photo shop experts seem to believe the birth certificate is a fake. I am wondering if anyone knows of additional sources where photo shop experts are saying the birth certificate is real? Or if anyone here is a professional on the birth certificate and can confirm its real? I would linking to people who have a degree and/or other obvious credentials. http://gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com/2011/04/critics-obamas-latest-long-form-birth-certificate-is-a-fake/ http://theconservativemonster.com/2011/04/27/photoshop-expert-explains-how-obamas-birth-certificate-was-made.aspx I went on to get a theory as of why the document was broken up into layers: http://www.nkyvoice.com/2011/04/long-form-birth-certificate.html http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/265767/pdf-layers-obamas-birth-certificate-nathan-goulding But, this does not answer the question why in the Obama birth certificate PDF the layers or elements contain dates – which appear to be modified – and the signature of the state registrar. If the document was acquired from state records in whole, why was it necessary to add elements? Goulding and Brooks do not address this issue. So I continued researching... http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=185094 http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=105347 Some online Hawaiian Certificates with seals: http://omgq.com/13.jpg http://www.wnd.com/images/090728birthcert.gif So do you guys know of any professionals have responses to these questions? I am not a birther and hope this document is real, by the way. Download the original here: http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf I love this guy! People with "degrees in photoshop" looked at this! Like his sister who is a photographer! He also went to mainstream non-political photoshop sites to check! Also, the "enya" from Kenya was edited in. Obama is really from Kansas! You heard it here first people! And the "e" of "None" was also edited in! Obama is a FRENCH Kansasian! Though I think he is lying. There are no non-political photoshop sites. Theyre all + Show Spoiler + Space Nazi Jews bent on faking the second coming of Christ by attacking from their Dark Side of the Moon base with UFOs, funded by the Rothschild family! And yes, I met a missionary who actually believed that. | ||
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BobGayman
89 Posts
On April 29 2011 07:03 tmorita wrote: I seriously can't believe this has been such an issue. A waste of time that succeeds only in making us look stupid. So much other important stuff to worry about, IMO. Don't worry. The biggest part in making you look stupid was Bush Jr's job and he was extremely successful. | ||
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Harrow
United States245 Posts
![[image loading]](http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/57/500px-Shopped.jpg) Personally, I think it was a political mistake to ever engage with the birthers at all. The "issue" isn't going to disappear, if anything this has just lended legitimacy to some wingnuts. Should've just ignored this crap from the start. | ||
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Brotkrumen
Germany193 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On April 29 2011 07:14 Harrow wrote: Summary of most of this thread: Personally, I think it was a political mistake to ever engage with the birthers at all. The "issue" isn't going to disappear, if anything this has just lended legitimacy to some wingnuts. Should've just ignored this crap from the start. Well to be fair, he just started campaigning for his second term. Nothing like a bit of drama to get some press. | ||
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jdseemoreglass
United States3773 Posts
On April 29 2011 07:05 crms wrote: I can't believe this vocal minority got this reaction. It's an embarrassment to be Americam when things like this get so much attention and even need to be dealt with. On April 29 2011 07:03 tmorita wrote: I seriously can't believe this has been such an issue. A waste of time that succeeds only in making us look stupid. So much other important stuff to worry about, IMO. Do you guys not realize that this is precisely the reaction Obama was trying to evoke by releasing this and making a news story out of it? In fact, he quite literally said "now we can get beyond this silliness and focus on serious issues." Don't you realize that he was never, ever forced to release anything, that in fact he WANTED to release it, and make the issue bigger than it needed to be? I always knew there were nutjobs out there in the world but I never realized intelligent people could be so gullible and easily manipulated. | ||
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Brotkrumen
Germany193 Posts
On April 29 2011 07:17 jdseemoreglass wrote: Do you guys not realize that this is precisely the reaction Obama was trying to evoke by releasing this and making a news story out of it? In fact, he quite literally said "now we can get beyond this silliness and focus on serious issues." Don't you realize that he was never, ever forced to release anything, that in fact he WANTED to release it, and make the issue bigger than it needed to be? I always knew there were nutjobs out there in the world but I never realized intelligent people could be so gullible and easily manipulated. It's campaigning. It will make the GOP look like a bunch of nut-jobs. It's just a means to a good end: keep the GOP away from the white house... | ||
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IkeScurvy
United States36 Posts
On April 29 2011 05:13 Coraz wrote: Kurt Nimmo is such a vitriolic writer (: edit: and no, I don't bat an eye at this. I know alex jones more personally than the glaring with makeup teleprompter reading sock puppets on the corporate controlled media. So you're going to ignore the fact that he IS a natural born citizen of the US regardless of where his parents were born because he was born on US soil? | ||
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illsick
United States1770 Posts
On April 29 2011 07:17 jdseemoreglass wrote: Do you guys not realize that this is precisely the reaction Obama was trying to evoke by releasing this and making a news story out of it? In fact, he quite literally said "now we can get beyond this silliness and focus on serious issues." Don't you realize that he was never, ever forced to release anything, that in fact he WANTED to release it, and make the issue bigger than it needed to be? I always knew there were nutjobs out there in the world but I never realized intelligent people could be so gullible and easily manipulated. or maybe it was released to show the state of which america is in (a point)? how was the intelligent people gullible and manipulated, I'm sure most of them thought it was a stupid issue prior to releasing it (look at poll). So people's reaction is similar to before. What's wrong with making it a big deal anyways (saying that as if what you say Obama really wanted to happen)? | ||
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Maxwell3
United States88 Posts
Can anyone please de bunk this.. it's starting to hurt my head :/ | ||
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VIB
Brazil3567 Posts
On April 29 2011 09:51 Maxwell3 wrote: OCR tracinghttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3g30VCl_cgk&feature=player_embedded#at=606 Can anyone please de bunk this.. it's starting to hurt my head :/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_character_recognition Some scanners will automatically try to separate letters from background into different layers. Since OCR is imperfect. It will often accidently separate some stuff and not others. That's why some numbers are and others aren't. Some parts of the signatures will be detected others won't. The other part about some letters not looking like what they it should is just silly..duh. They don't know what typewriter wrote those and what defects it could have had. And from my personal experience most of "professional" photoshop "experts" are horribly bad at understanding the underlying software. People just use the tools but have no idea how the algorithm that coded it works. Artists are not usually good engineers. So don't get too caught up by people saying "wow some experts say XYZ" because they are likely just slackers  edit: conclusion, someone used a scanner not knowing OCR was on. Software separates some parts of the image, which causes some weird effects. Photoshop artists with no deep understanding of software engineering freak out. Media will rush to publish a good story without worrying about actually looking it up. Nothing to see here. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On April 29 2011 07:12 Elegy wrote: Wartime greatly extends the powers of the executive to the point where acts ordinarily unconstitutional may indeed become lawful when the nation is faced with an existential threat. Naturally, the existential threat is what the debate tends to be over...moreover, it's questionable whether enemy combatants have full constitutional rights as it is. Hamdi v Rumsfeld and Boumediene v Bush illustrate this. Aliens have the right of habeas corpus, but many other rights are curtailed or entirely forsaken in wartime. And if someone dares to bring up the whole "Congress never declared war herp derp" they should be slapped in the face. As far as I know that bold statement isn't anywhere in the actual constitution, and I'm fairly certain that nothing that is directly prohibited by the Constitution can ever be lawful regardless of conditions (unless one isn't a strict constitutionalist). The Constitution is the supreme law of the land, after all. And Lincoln was detaining plenty of people he recognized as American citizens. The CIA has done the same; they've also done plenty of unreasonable search and seizures outside of wartime. | ||
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