On April 28 2011 05:04 Keitzer wrote: I just wanted to know why he just wouldn't release it.... Like why the fuck spend millions of dollars covering it up?
Seems sketchy to me...
OH MY GOD. HE RELEASED IT IN TWO THOUSAND GOD DAMN EIGHT.
He released the long-form of his birth certificate in 2008? No, no he didn't.
I didn't even realize a "short-form" existed at all until this whole topic came up to begin with. I have 1 birth certificate, and it is the standard long-form. That's what people wanted to see, because that's what everyone has and uses for most legal requirements.
So please stop repeating yourself 6 times that he already released it. I personally don't give a damn about the topic but I hate strawman arguments nonetheless...
No, that's not what everyone has. That's the point. He had to request a special one from the Hawaiian government because Hawaiian citizens don't get a long form. What you have is probably a copy. I only have a short form certificate.
On April 28 2011 05:04 Keitzer wrote: I just wanted to know why he just wouldn't release it.... Like why the fuck spend millions of dollars covering it up?
Seems sketchy to me...
OH MY GOD. HE RELEASED IT IN TWO THOUSAND GOD DAMN EIGHT.
He released the long-form of his birth certificate in 2008? No, no he didn't.
I didn't even realize a "short-form" existed at all until this whole topic came up to begin with. I have 1 birth certificate, and it is the standard long-form. That's what people wanted to see, because that's what everyone has and uses for most legal requirements.
So please stop repeating yourself 6 times that he already released it. I personally don't give a damn about the topic but I hate strawman arguments nonetheless...
So seeing the signatures of his mother and doctor made the difference? I don't see any difference really in the long and short versions information..
If Hawaii is the same as the US, what happens is that the vital long form records are kept by the state and a certified copy is given to the parents. If the copy is lost, you can go to the government and request a certified copy. This is a short version of the certificate and is created when it is requested. The long form is usually kept on file and not released to anyone. The conspiracy theorists say that the short form is not "official" since it is created upon request, but in truth, no one has a copy of their long form certificate and they made an exception for obama, most people are holding onto a certified copy. (I was a Notary Public for a few years)
jesus fucking christ. Here is a list of all the Intelligence Agencies of the United States:
Independent agencies
Central Intelligence Agency (CIA)
United States Department of Defense
Air Force Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance Agency (AFISRA) Army Intelligence and Security Command (INSCOM) Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) Marine Corps Intelligence National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA) National Reconnaissance Office (NRO) National Security Agency (NSA) Office of Naval Intelligence (ONI)
United States Department of Energy
Office of Intelligence and Counterintelligence (OICI)
United States Department of Homeland Security
Office of Intelligence and Analysis (I&A) Coast Guard Intelligence (CGI)
United States Department of Justice
Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA)
United States Department of State
Bureau of Intelligence and Research (INR)
United States Department of the Treasury
Office of Terrorism and Financial Intelligence (TFI)
You're saying, with all this money and manpower and nationalistic belief, that NOBODY has made sure hes a fucking citizen before allowing him to run for president? How the fuck could there have been any doubt.
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more on topic: I actually dont think he should have done anything at all. Die hard birthers will still claim he took 2 years to get this out because he was busy forging it, and people who never questioned it might wonder why hes spending time addressing silly claims.
That said, maybe the re-election campaign stuff is kicking into motion, so it's a political move to sway voters who were concerned about this.
Does anyone actually think you can even begin to think about starting a campaign for president without a billion pages of paperwork and proof? This is so fucking stupid rofl
Can we officially conclude that Trump is an idiot and shouldn't even be considered for the GOP nomination? I mean, just imagine if he wins and has to debate Obama. I'm sure this topic would come up and Trump would have literally nothing to say that doesn't make him look like a total idiot.
On April 28 2011 03:46 TheFrankOne wrote: The Arizona Law was blatantly unconstitutional; from Article IV Section I of the U.S. Constitution:
"Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. And the Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof."
This means that Arizona cannot make a law that demands proof above and beyond the minimum federal requirements for presidential elections. So President Obama would have been on the ballot in Arizona, if they had passed the law following a short court case, or any other state's ballot that passes a similar law.
Well, the Federal requirement is basically... that you have to be a citizen etc. So it's not demanding extra proof, just clarifying that it needs to be proved to the state. Once again, in the United States the states are responsible for their part of the Federal elections. I'd agree that it's a blatantly partisan attempt to capitalize on the fact that this question came up in connection with the Obama candidacy/presidency, but there's no way it's unconstitutional. Essentially redundant, yes, but not unconstitutional. Passing a new law saying, "lol let's follow this other law that's already law" (the Constitutional requirements for President, in this case) is fundamentally stupid, but not unconstitutional.
On April 28 2011 04:23 Shichibukai wrote: Funny that the document brands people as "African" or "Caucasian". What's the term for their kid? And what if that kid has a child with an "Asian" person? I have no problem with those who want to divide people into "races" while talking, chatting informally etc, but to have it documented on a birth certificate? ^^ Weird country.
It's a holdover. I don't know how far it goes back, but that data was used first for Jim Crow laws (and similar) and then for affirmative action programs - some of the later still exist so I guess it's technically legally necessary or something but mostly it's something the US bureaucracy hasn't ever bothered to change.
Gah...inb4 TEA Baggers say that presenting the birth certificate took too long to release so a fake one can be produced.
I would respect the TEA Party and birthers more if they bitched more about the economy rather than the birth certificate, his religion, or if he is the anti-Christ. That would show the world that their priorities are straight.
On April 28 2011 05:43 overt wrote: Can we officially conclude that Trump is an idiot and shouldn't even be considered for the GOP nomination? I mean, just imagine if he wins and has to debate Obama. I'm sure this topic would come up and Trump would have literally nothing to say that doesn't make him look like a total idiot.
On April 28 2011 05:24 entocheets wrote: Read the comments about this on articles on the Fox News website. I don't know whether to feel angry or sorry for those people. Come on, America. Seriously now...
CNN is just as bad. In fact, I'm having a hard time distinguishing between the two based on the content of the articles and the comments that follow.
So that bankrupting moron with the face of a mole rat (Donald Trump) now gets to gloat about how he forced the president to do something that most of the country saw as meaningless in the first place.
Great... The Onion nailed it, dead on. I might send a mail to the mole rat myself, asking for a certificate of proof that he wasn't born from a mole rat. Because it certainly looks like he was.
If you are going to put a pool up I think a " I didn't care about the issue in 2008, I really don't care now in 2011" button in necessary. Honestly this is what is wrong with American politics from my point of view; To actually believe that one of the two biggest political parties would even nominate a candidate that could be disqualified by "the dog" Hawaii's best bounty hunter. Oh man that is a great TV show idea, giving this topic any more of my attention would be an injustice. I must now focus on getting this idea to A&E.
On April 28 2011 05:50 Maxwell3 wrote: /end thread.. really
The records in Hawaii were digitized a few years ago. The software used with document scanners does OCR and breaks up text into layers to make the documents searchable (which is useful when you're digitizing and archiving thousands of printed documents). That's why the PDF file has layers like that. I know because I just got a document scanner a couple weeks ago.
On April 28 2011 05:46 Shiragaku wrote: Gah...inb4 TEA Baggers say that presenting the birth certificate took too long to release so a fake one can be produced.
I would respect the TEA Party and birthers more if they bitched more about the economy rather than the birth certificate, his religion, or if he is the anti-Christ. That would show the world that their priorities are straight.
This has nothing to do with the tea party. I know you get your perception of them from the media, but in reality their #1 concern is and always has been the economy...
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