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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On April 22 2011 18:09 Zaphid wrote: I don't think this is something that should be fixed Do you really enjoy watching/playing 4 gate pvp that much? I mean I would love it too be fixed because then maybe pvp wouldn't be so lame to watch. | ||
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Mehs
Norway4 Posts
Sentries would actually be able to hold off 4 gate aggression by allowing the defender to decide how he would like to split the aggressor's army, instead of being forced to face the 4 zealot warp over the force field, which is quite difficult to deal with in the early stages of a 4-gate battle. Granted, as I've indirectly stated, this obviously will not work on maps such as Tal'Darim or Scrap Station, but I don't want to see the 4-gate removed entirely. I, personally, consider 4-gate to be quite entertaining when it's more of an exception rather than the rule. | ||
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GinNtoniC
Sweden2945 Posts
On April 22 2011 17:46 Mailing wrote: Suggested this weeks ago and people said it was a stupid idea =/ Gateways already SHOULD make units faster than warpgates. Warpgates should make units SLOWER because it has instant reinforcements. This would allow protoss to even play a macro gateway style where they never even get warpgates because they build units faster off gateways and can defend easier, but cannot be super aggressive. Forgive my old, withered brood war heart, but I too like this idea a lot. Given that you still can turn gateways into warpgates and back again, gives you the option of changing around. It adds a choice of style and a tactical dimension of when to use gateways and when to convert them into warpgates for forward/offensive reinforcement. | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
Also i don't think anything is going to straight up fix PvP. It'll just change to another 1 main strategy, i think it's the nature of this matchup. It's not like theres heavily positional based play like TvT... there's almost no defenders advantage, so it's going to equal a mirror matchup thats very edgy and players only sticking to one thing lest they fall behind slightly in units by teching and get run over. You need some element like a shield battery or something? Really doubt they will add anything in the game now though, but it's desperately needing something for the defender. | ||
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sicarii
United States93 Posts
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Sneakyz
Sweden2361 Posts
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AcrossFiveJulys
United States3612 Posts
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frucisky
Singapore2170 Posts
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
I'm not really going to think about specifics until it's on PTR, though. I'm sure Blizz is trying all sorts of wacky things, and that was just the wacky thing they were working on at the time the blue poster said it. Blizz also said they were looking at the Colo, but that they don't like completely messing with a race all at once. My patch 1.4 prediction: Warp Gate Nerf, Gateway Buff, Corrupter buff to indirectly nerf Colossi. I'll say that Stalkers/Sentries will build notably faster in a gateway, but maybe not Zealots (because Proxy zealots would be two strong). | ||
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Treadmill
Canada2833 Posts
On April 22 2011 18:11 Inori wrote: They lose because they take risks. Reliable ways of stopping 4wg are around for 3-4 months now, you just need to know where to look. You actually believe that? Gah. 4 gate is in almost every pro PvP because there is no easy answer. If there was somebody like White-Ra (who's on the record disliking the 4gate) would do it every game and win all his PvPs. There are no reliable ways to stop a 4 gate PvP, at all. Not and survive if your opponent does anything else. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
I just don't see it happening anytime soon. | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
On April 22 2011 18:13 GinNtoniC wrote: Forgive my old, withered brood war heart, but I too like this idea a lot. Given that you still can turn gateways into warpgates and back again, gives you the option of changing around. It adds a choice of style and a tactical dimension of when to use gateways and when to convert them into warpgates for forward/offensive reinforcement. I agree with this greatly. It's annoying to see the "Morph to Gateway" button on Warpgates when currently there is absolutely no advantage for this ability considering the strength of Warpgates. Adding a bit of choice to the style of your production cycle would add some interesting depth to the game. | ||
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Sakarabu
United Kingdom132 Posts
Also am I the only one who finds it mind boggling that they nerfed zealot rush (2 gating) so quickly (A build which was easy to stop if you just went pool first), yet 6 pool (a build which is currently almost unstoppable on 4 player maps if you arn't lucky with scouting (66% win rate..) and is still very hard to stop on short rush distances(look how successful actionjesus was against pros)) is still in the game? | ||
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WhiteLight
Canada55 Posts
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inFeZa
Australia556 Posts
Btw, they already nerfed the zealot build time, so they're actually gonna go BACK on their change!? wtf? | ||
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MrGreyness
Australia35 Posts
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Apolo
Portugal1259 Posts
On April 22 2011 18:14 sicarii wrote: I think the best fix ive heard was by -orb- who said units should warp in slower depending on the distance from a friendly nexus... just a half second every 50 range or so could be a huge buff to defenders advantage in equal footing battles. I dont see this affecting anything other than a 4 gate rush in a PvP if anyone has a feasible scenario to argue against that statement plaease respond cause i think the fix -orb- suggested is perfect. Now lets get blizzard to hear it? So if i make a proxy nexus, it will warp in faster :O The problem with that is that it would get very complicated to time attacks. A slight distance change would alter the warp in times, and i would many times be on the dark about how much time it will warp in in that location, unless i had to know by heart the map locations and warp in times. I think it would overcomplicate the matter. I liked the idea of gateways actually making units faster than warpgates. Let's say you are attacking, you get warpgates. Defending? Change back to gateways (changing back to gateways is for sure one of the least used buttons in the game!). Of course not all defenses would be equal like drops, or any other that requires warp in in a specific place, but for early all ins, where the push comes from one direction it could be a good change. | ||
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Venomous Drone
48 Posts
Many zergs will unscrew champagne bottles the day this patch is implemented. | ||
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Mithriel
Netherlands2969 Posts
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
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