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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
First of all, nothing is certain. They are thinking about changing it. Secondly, it is too early to tell if there will be imbalances. And probably there won't. Third, they are going to change to RESEARCH time of warp gates. you could delete 75% of the post made before this due to utter failure. | ||
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DannyJ
United States5110 Posts
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KobraKay
Portugal4231 Posts
On April 22 2011 17:42 MethodSC wrote: inb4 2 gate cheese every game. Sadly this. 4gate rush is so commum that it hurts anyone trying to ladder from below plat (and so do other rushes because thats all there is) but if you go down enough in short rush distance map Ps will often 2gate rush you. Most times its easy to defend with some micro but with Zlots arriving even faster? Poor people :p oh and poor 2v2 games with a P. | ||
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arew
Lithuania1861 Posts
On April 22 2011 17:55 Zzoram wrote: why not just make warpgate require a twilight council? While reducing its build time, it seems to be a cool idea, IMO anyway, happy that Blizzard is trying to do something! | ||
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Whiplash
United States2928 Posts
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AndAgain
United States2621 Posts
On April 22 2011 17:56 Gorg wrote: the only thing i fear is pvp becomes once again a single colossus arms race. Yeah, 4 gates is probably a lesser evil because at least it's over after about 7 minutes. Life too short for playing colossi arms race games. | ||
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vectorix108
United States4633 Posts
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
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Mastermind
Canada7096 Posts
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Treadmill
Canada2833 Posts
On April 22 2011 17:45 dacthehork wrote: The concept of early game warp technology was a flawed one 1. Warp Tech is required and happens at the beginning of the game 2. Warp Tech removes defenders advantage in terms of production timing / walk distance. Who could have foreseen that Warp Gate would create rush imbalances Warp Tech as a lategame upgrade just makes far more sense and fosters macro / skilled games (can't have that). Instead of moving warp gate to a much higher tier instead they have spent the last year balancing around having protoss able to eliminate map distance/size. Interesting point about warp gate being a "late game" upgrade. I wonder if they considered moving warp gates to a later tech building, twilight council maybe. Just straight up eliminating early-game warpgates. Though that is a bit of a crazy change for so late after release. It might bring warpgates more in line with their original vision (or at least what their PR made their vision sound like). | ||
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Welmu
Finland3295 Posts
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Dezire
Netherlands640 Posts
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SinCitta
Germany2127 Posts
On April 22 2011 17:52 Luoson wrote: Wow this is pretty easy to solve, I'm really surprised Blizzard hasnt caught onto something so basic. Stop units being abled to be warped up past a forcefielded ramp. Problem solved. That seems to be the most obvious one, but I think they don't want to change all the vision mechanics involved with this. I don't think they will change Zealot build time again, they will probably decrease Sentry and Stalker build time a little. I was always wondering why warp-in cooldown was smaller than Gateway build time. There is even a "Transform back to Gateway"-button which never makes sense to do in a real game. | ||
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MapleLeafSirup
Germany950 Posts
How the hell do YOU want to know how the game will change after such a change ? After EVERY patch people complain and go like "oh no now this game will be this and that way" "oh no this matchup will be broken" "oh no blizzard doesn't know what they're doing" In fact they know a lot more than you and your theorycrafting based on far too little knowledge won't be as near the truth as the deep researches of blizzard who created the most balanced RTS ever (BroodWar) and have gotten SC2 more and more balanced with the time Remember when the roach range was buffed from 3 to 4? There were hundreds of pages people complaining about how the game will be broken and super-overpowered mass roaches will dominate every matchup... and now imagine roaches would still have a range of 3... Just give it some time! I don't mean you should not theorycraft and make some assumptions but you should not just insta-critisize zhr new patch before it has even be released | ||
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Apolo
Portugal1259 Posts
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AGIANTSMURF
United States1232 Posts
We must have faith in blizzard, they were already aware of and nerfed the 2 gate proxy (though still effective) I am sure they are working on a legitimate fix without undoing things that have already been done. As far as the PvP meta-game, I feel like they will be just cutting a huge Portion of the matchup out as we will be able to see a bit more teching earlier in the game without the risk of getting crushed by early 4wg pushes....... Im excited to see whats its going to be like when we have the complete rock paper scissors (robo stargate twilight) instead of the oh so common rock and scissors which sometimes beats rock if you have the proper timing and control. | ||
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LoLAdriankat
United States4307 Posts
Imo, Protoss needs a huge redesign (particularly with the warp-in mechanic) if we want to get rid of any shenanigans. As others have pointed out, proxies will get stronger if this change goes through. Hopefully they can figure out how to make a failing proxy gate more punishing to the Toss than it is right now. | ||
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entocheets
Australia367 Posts
anyway, I'm wondering if Blizz are thinking of doing a trade-off between warps and normal gates. Faster unit production time if a normal gateway vs longer cooldown time of a warpgate BUT has additional advantage of warping in units anywhere on the map. | ||
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TheSilverfox
Sweden1928 Posts
If they decrease zealot/stalker/sentry build time from normal Gateways a lot of Protoss will be happy about this and can more easily defend against super-early rushes from Terran and Zerg. It won't change the matchups from 5 minutes and so on but it will indeed be a Protoss buff really early game. For example: 6pool against protoss will become much harder. | ||
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Leeoku
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