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On April 08 2011 19:12 thesideshow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2011 19:10 Jombozeus wrote:
So this is basically saying, if I'm at a classical concert and some guy hits a high C sharp, my body can potentially explode into a billion pieces? Better start soundproofing my room with acoustics. At very low frequencies your internal organs will start to mash about in your body and cause damage.
It won't be caused by resonnance but by the power of the sound. Like a shockwave from an explosion, if there is too much pressure yeah you could sustain internal injury but it's not because of resonnance.
About the article, one thing I really dislike about it is that it uses every conspiration argument you could ever think about. Look at that :
Probably the only friends you'll have will be the patients and those progressive doctors who see change as an opportunity, rather than a threat to their established money-making monopoly. Those people will love you. But they don't call the shots.
What follows, now, is the story of exactly such a sensational therapy and what happened to it. In one of the blackest episodes in recorded history, this remarkable electronic therapy was sabotaged and buried by a ruthless group of men. It has re-emerged in the underground medical/alternative health world only since the mid-80's. This is the story of Royal Raymond Rife and his fabulous discoveries and electronic instruments.
Yeah "The blackest episode in recorded history" thanks for that, and i don't want to trash underground and alternative medicines, but that's what they are underground, alternative and not proven by science. So whether this is scientific and not underground or it's not scientific.
By the way not every researcher are bound to private companies. So yeah if someone cured cancer will would know about it.
Furthermore governments don't make money on cancer. I'll take the example of France even if it's kinda special (because of the universal welfare). Serious disease costs a lot to the french governments and to insurance company. So it's in there interest to find cures that cost less but on which they will get a bigger margin.
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On April 08 2011 19:21 Sablar wrote:
Sounds very very suspicious.
I always wonder who all these cover-up people are. Most conspiracy theories require hundreds if not thousands of them. Do they live their lives as normal people, loving their kids, keeping quiet even when their own kid gets cancer? It's just so far fetched that people would sit in some secret society that plans for the suffering of mankind, smoking their fat cigars and not giving a shit. Of course there are selfish people but there aren't that many psychopaths and a whole secret society of them sitting in some dark dungeon and plotting.. I don't see it happening.
Using some old invention to scam money from sick people seems more like normal selfishness to me. It doesn't require active action against inventions that would benefit humanity.
I guess these are the same kind of people that recently got the whole world up on their feat because of the the impending doom of H1N1 and sold millions of cures for it and then nothing happened (even to those that didn't take it which would be the most of us). Actually there was a good number of people that had problems because of taking this cure. And again more people died because of normal flu.
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A lot of people seem to have many misconceptions about cancer, as a biomedicine student I'll try to explain it as best as I can.
Cell division in the body is regulated by a protein called cyclin. Growth hormones bind to special receptor sites on the cell surface called RTK which initiates them to bind together (dimerize), this causes self-phophorylation of the each RTK protein. A relay protein will detect this change and cause a phosphorylation cascade to amplify this change. This will end the in the activation of a G-protein called RAS.
RAS auto-catalytic, meaning it will break down itself from activated RAS to the deactivated form. However mutations will cause this function to cease. The expression of RAS causes the transciption of cyclin. Cyclin binding to cyclin dependant kinase (CDK) will form a complex called mitotic promoting factor (MPF) and this will intiate cell division.
However, a mutation on RAS is not enough to cause cancer. The cell has it's own mechanisms to detect rapid cancerous growth. This is called contact inhibition, when two cells are too close the desmosomes will show a process called contact inhibition. This will involve the activation of G-proteins to intiate a transcription factor called P53, P53 promotes the synthesis of P21 which binds to CDK prevent cyclin to bind stopping cell division and promoting cell suicide.
To get cancer, you need a mutation on both RAS and P53. Cancer cells have no different frequency than regularly cells apart from the fact that they constantly divide. Most of the present day chemotherapy involves targetting this by feeding the body poisons that will most likely be uptaken by rapidly dividing cells (cancer cells).
No ressonance wave bullcrap will kill cancer cells.
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It's completely different with H1N1, if it would have mutated in a killer virus and nobody prepared there would have been a lot of death and everybody would have shit on governments because they didn't make vacins and in our case it didn't mutate and everybody shit on governments because they took their precautions.
It's lose/lose.
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On April 08 2011 19:03 Zerokaiser wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2011 19:00 Stacks wrote:
I have heard about this before, and find it interesting. Coupled with the fact that in Turkey they have baths with dolphins hampering cancer with the excapt same technique, by identifying the tumor as something bad and then "beam" it with theyre highly advanced sonar. They also do this among themselves.
And also, and more importantly what Jayve says, 500$ insta cure, or 50$ a month for 10 years cure ? Easy math for the big companys, wich also control education, scientific papers and the general proffessional consensus on the matter.
On the other hand, internet is full of bullshit, and cancer is not a virus ( so the spesific article is not on point). Further on, if this technique really does work on tumors, it would definatly work on human beeings and living organisms in general, and more easily that is. Hence the military would long ago have developed "sound-guns" or something similar, although the technique might require long exposure to the given resonance. I dont know.
Still, the dolphin thing is a fact, wich means there might be more to the matter than what i know. Couldn't find anything online regarding the dolphins. Are you able to supply a source?
The big companies obviously control the scientific papers and won't release it...
While there are studies that are paid for by corporations, and I don't really like it, it's not like the scientific community itself is owned by corporations. Scientists are free to research whatever they can get funding for, and that funding often comes from the state, individuals, etc. If results can be found it will be reported..
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On April 08 2011 19:28 FranzP wrote:
and i don't want to trash underground and alternative medicines, but that's what they are underground, alternative and not proven by science
Alternative medicine is, by definition, medicine that has not been proven to work or been proven not to work.
You know what they call alternative medicine that's been proven to work?
Medicine 
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On April 08 2011 19:28 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2011 19:21 Sablar wrote:
Sounds very very suspicious.
I always wonder who all these cover-up people are. Most conspiracy theories require hundreds if not thousands of them. Do they live their lives as normal people, loving their kids, keeping quiet even when their own kid gets cancer? It's just so far fetched that people would sit in some secret society that plans for the suffering of mankind, smoking their fat cigars and not giving a shit. Of course there are selfish people but there aren't that many psychopaths and a whole secret society of them sitting in some dark dungeon and plotting.. I don't see it happening.
Using some old invention to scam money from sick people seems more like normal selfishness to me. It doesn't require active action against inventions that would benefit humanity. I guess these are the same kind of people that recently got the whole world up on their feat because of the the impending doom of H1N1 and sold millions of cures for it and then nothing happened (even to those that didn't take it which would be the most of us). Actually there was a good number of people that had problems because of taking this cure. And again more people died because of normal flu.
Do you really think they had a motive to hurt people when recommending the vaccine? I think reports were probably exaggerated but I have a hard time seeing governments around the world making this decision because they wanted to hurt their populations.
Glad I never took it though. Turns out there is a pretty strong connection between that vaccine and sleep apnea as well now.
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On April 08 2011 19:36 Sablar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2011 19:28 -Archangel- wrote:On April 08 2011 19:21 Sablar wrote:
Sounds very very suspicious.
I always wonder who all these cover-up people are. Most conspiracy theories require hundreds if not thousands of them. Do they live their lives as normal people, loving their kids, keeping quiet even when their own kid gets cancer? It's just so far fetched that people would sit in some secret society that plans for the suffering of mankind, smoking their fat cigars and not giving a shit. Of course there are selfish people but there aren't that many psychopaths and a whole secret society of them sitting in some dark dungeon and plotting.. I don't see it happening.
Using some old invention to scam money from sick people seems more like normal selfishness to me. It doesn't require active action against inventions that would benefit humanity. I guess these are the same kind of people that recently got the whole world up on their feat because of the the impending doom of H1N1 and sold millions of cures for it and then nothing happened (even to those that didn't take it which would be the most of us). Actually there was a good number of people that had problems because of taking this cure. And again more people died because of normal flu. Do you really think they had a motive to hurt people when recommending the vaccine? I think reports were probably exaggerated but I have a hard time seeing governments around the world making this decision because they wanted to hurt their populations. Glad I never took it though. Turns out there is a pretty strong connection between that vaccine and sleep apnea as well now.
Not in relation to this subject, but why do you think the Government is some benevolent entity? Governments killed more than 200,000,000 of their own people in the 20th Century alone. The US Government conducted experiments on their own people, other countries people, and were an inch away from bombing their own people just to marshal support for an invasion of Cuba (Operation Northwoods), which thankfully Kennedy told the Joint Chiefs hell no. The Government lied about the Gulf of Tonkin (there was no attack on US vessels) and that got 58,000 Americans killed and untold Vietnamese. Governments care about power, not people. Always healthy to be skeptical when it comes to the institution.
PS: The Government were the same ones who pushed the Swine Flu vaccine in the 70s which killed more people than the flu itself. Then they do it again a few years ago. It's about control.
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On April 08 2011 19:36 Sablar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2011 19:28 -Archangel- wrote:On April 08 2011 19:21 Sablar wrote:
Sounds very very suspicious.
I always wonder who all these cover-up people are. Most conspiracy theories require hundreds if not thousands of them. Do they live their lives as normal people, loving their kids, keeping quiet even when their own kid gets cancer? It's just so far fetched that people would sit in some secret society that plans for the suffering of mankind, smoking their fat cigars and not giving a shit. Of course there are selfish people but there aren't that many psychopaths and a whole secret society of them sitting in some dark dungeon and plotting.. I don't see it happening.
Using some old invention to scam money from sick people seems more like normal selfishness to me. It doesn't require active action against inventions that would benefit humanity. I guess these are the same kind of people that recently got the whole world up on their feat because of the the impending doom of H1N1 and sold millions of cures for it and then nothing happened (even to those that didn't take it which would be the most of us). Actually there was a good number of people that had problems because of taking this cure. And again more people died because of normal flu. Do you really think they had a motive to hurt people when recommending the vaccine? I think reports were probably exaggerated but I have a hard time seeing governments around the world making this decision because they wanted to hurt their populations. Glad I never took it though. Turns out there is a pretty strong connection between that vaccine and sleep apnea as well now.
What is government? A group of people.
People want power and wealth (usually because wealth brings power).
It is not that hard for huge pharmaceutical companies to pay of people in the government to do whatever they want.
Actually by this article and what happened to Rife they have been doing it for a long while now.
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On April 08 2011 19:24 BurningSera wrote:
i cant help but reply this lol
seriously?? i believe anyone has done high school will see the obviousness?? i mean, virus lol???
and ya, if i ever support mod to close a thread (that is non one liner)on tl, this will be the first thread.
It's a discussion. There is no way the OP is uninformed with what cancer is, it is an interesting topic.
There are over 200 cancer types. Yes, viruses don't cause cancer in a general sense, but they "help" to cause it, but mutating cells in certain ways that can make it more likely to catch it. For instance, if you catch Hep B or C, the virus can mutate your cells in a way that is linked with liver cancer. What Rife did was destroyed certain viruses that cause certain illnesses, not cancer. You can catch a cancer causing virus and NEVER get cancer at all. There are better ways nowadays using modern day methods to cure cancer causing viruses without using Rifes methods, but there are so many factors that effect the ways we catch cancer, by just destroying the virus it will not stop you getting it.
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Archangel... Pharmaceutical companies aren't human biology professors working at universities... Human biology professors working at universities are human biology professors working at universities...
Plus, first pharmaceutical company that sells cure for cancer will get more money than the government can offer (lol, like they can offer anything with their budget).
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I apologize in advance, but a lot of these "Things" have been going on for years, with sloppy cover ups. 9/11 people remember but on the same day the pentagon was hit by a missile, people forget that. Magic Johnson went to EU got treated, and came back without "Aids" HIV, whatver you wnt to call it. they say it's not 'active" but in long ago previous statements they stated they can't find the virus in his system anymore.
People need to stop calling things conspiracy. Here's the fact, most governments know you're stupid and will cover things up yourself with no needed facts, you can be provided facts but still think information is false. That's how the world works, whistleblowers appear, then disappear forever.
Anyway gl guys this thread like a lot others here seem to get closed when it comes to these topics sadly. I wanted to comment on another similar to this but Mods closed it though it didn't turn violent? BP oil spill I think. gl hf.
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On April 08 2011 19:48 Jombozeus wrote:
Archangel... Pharmaceutical companies aren't human biology professors working at universities... Human biology professors working at universities are human biology professors working at universities...
Plus, first pharmaceutical company that sells cure for cancer will get more money than the government can offer (lol, like they can offer anything with their budget).
No, it will not. Selling a huge amount of medication is more profitable then this.
This would just be one time sell of relatively inexpensive machines to hospitals and that is it.
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On April 08 2011 19:39 Wegandi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2011 19:36 Sablar wrote:On April 08 2011 19:28 -Archangel- wrote:On April 08 2011 19:21 Sablar wrote:
Sounds very very suspicious.
I always wonder who all these cover-up people are. Most conspiracy theories require hundreds if not thousands of them. Do they live their lives as normal people, loving their kids, keeping quiet even when their own kid gets cancer? It's just so far fetched that people would sit in some secret society that plans for the suffering of mankind, smoking their fat cigars and not giving a shit. Of course there are selfish people but there aren't that many psychopaths and a whole secret society of them sitting in some dark dungeon and plotting.. I don't see it happening.
Using some old invention to scam money from sick people seems more like normal selfishness to me. It doesn't require active action against inventions that would benefit humanity. I guess these are the same kind of people that recently got the whole world up on their feat because of the the impending doom of H1N1 and sold millions of cures for it and then nothing happened (even to those that didn't take it which would be the most of us). Actually there was a good number of people that had problems because of taking this cure. And again more people died because of normal flu. Do you really think they had a motive to hurt people when recommending the vaccine? I think reports were probably exaggerated but I have a hard time seeing governments around the world making this decision because they wanted to hurt their populations. Glad I never took it though. Turns out there is a pretty strong connection between that vaccine and sleep apnea as well now. Not in relation to this subject, but why do you think the Government is some benevolent entity? Governments killed more than 200,000,000 of their own people in the 20th Century alone. The US Government conducted experiments on their own people, other countries people, and were an inch away from bombing their own people just to marshal support for an invasion of Cuba (Operation Northwoods), which thankfully Kennedy told the Joint Chiefs hell no. The Government lied about the Gulf of Tonkin (there was no attack on US vessels) and that got 58,000 Americans killed and untold Vietnamese. Governments care about power, not people. Always healthy to be skeptical when it comes to the institution. PS: The Government were the same ones who pushed the Swine Flu vaccine in the 70s which killed more people than the flu itself. Then they do it again a few years ago. It's about control.
I'm not saying that the government doesn't make mistakes and stupid decisions. I'm just saying that they do things because they believe it's what needs to be done, or the right thing to do. Of course there will be individuals trying to cover their ass if they made a mistake, miscommunication and stress, but as an entity I have a really hard time believing that a government would actively try to cause suffering. Which covering up a cancer medicine would be a good example of.
Well, maybe some corrupt dictatorship that desperately needed money would do it to help their own country, but not a modern democracy that's at least somewhat working.
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Archangel: resonance. Look it up, study it, understand it. If you understood what it was, you wouldn't have made this thread. It's completely illogical and targeting the complete layman. No one will take it seriously. There is no such thing as resonance killing cancer. Doesn't exist, doesn't makes sense, it's not how it works, not at all.
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On April 08 2011 19:48 WArped wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2011 19:24 BurningSera wrote:
i cant help but reply this lol
seriously?? i believe anyone has done high school will see the obviousness?? i mean, virus lol???
and ya, if i ever support mod to close a thread (that is non one liner)on tl, this will be the first thread. It's a discussion. There is no way the OP is uninformed with what cancer is, it is an interesting topic. There are over 200 cancer types. Yes, viruses don't cause cancer in a general sense, but they "help" to cause it, but mutating cells in certain ways that can make it more likely to catch it. For instance, if you catch Hep B or C, the virus can mutate your cells in a way that is linked with liver cancer. What Rife did was destroyed certain viruses that cause certain illnesses, not cancer. You can catch a cancer causing virus and NEVER get cancer at all. There are better ways nowadays using modern day methods to cure cancer causing viruses without using Rifes methods, but there are so many factors that effect the ways we catch cancer, by just destroying the virus it will not stop you getting it.
Its a discussion about a guy in the 30ies saying that he cured cancer, and all the consipary theories that anyone want to put in. I didn't see anyone answering the scientif posts up to now, like the one by Pwnographics, because nobody, except the expert, understand jack shit about how cancer works (yeah we, the not expert, understand but we can't explain what's really going on).
So noone will be able to have an rational conversation about whether it is true or not. All will be able to do is talk about consiparcy theories, which is not the topic of the OP.
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On April 08 2011 19:54 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2011 19:48 Jombozeus wrote:
Archangel... Pharmaceutical companies aren't human biology professors working at universities... Human biology professors working at universities are human biology professors working at universities...
Plus, first pharmaceutical company that sells cure for cancer will get more money than the government can offer (lol, like they can offer anything with their budget). No, it will not. Selling a huge amount of medication is more profitable then this. This would just be one time sell of relatively inexpensive machines to hospitals and that is it.
Because when people get cancer, instead of getting chemotherapy, they get a prescribed doses of medicine for 5 years. wut.
Its like saying "cars are slower than teleportation devices, and because cars need to be replaced every year or so, THE GOVERNMENT HAS HIDDEN THE TELEPORTATION DEVICES FROM THE WORLD FOR THE PAST CENTURY AHHHHBRHRUGURHBVLKDFJSLKJ"
Yep, a perfect chain of logic.
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Cancer virus?
I think/hope it is referring to a virus that can cause cancer?
This is only the cause of a small number of cancers though, many which can be treatable or preventable already.
And why don't i see his name mentioned in that article?
Oh and LOL at resonance.
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On April 08 2011 19:54 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2011 19:48 Jombozeus wrote:
Archangel... Pharmaceutical companies aren't human biology professors working at universities... Human biology professors working at universities are human biology professors working at universities...
Plus, first pharmaceutical company that sells cure for cancer will get more money than the government can offer (lol, like they can offer anything with their budget). No, it will not. Selling a huge amount of medication is more profitable then this. This would just be one time sell of relatively inexpensive machines to hospitals and that is it.
then riddle me this: who's stopping an independant person from building these machines and selling them to hospitals?
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