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For a long time, I've always maintained that the pharmaceutical industry (at least in the USA) is corrupt - the people that sit on the FDA boards are the ones in charge of pharmaceutical companies and stand to profit from drugs. Whether there is a conspiracy here is something I don't know - but what I know is that there is massive conflict of interest in this industry.
Secondly, I believe that the world has gone too far in using drugs to treat illnesses. Recently, there have been reports in Europe about "superbugs", where drug-resistant diseases have developed. I think the world would do best to take a step back and consider whether too much drugs have been a good thing.
Thirdly, it looks like this "resonance treatment" is something inexpensive and side-effect free? I think any person has the legal right to choose whatever treatment they think is best for them. They alone should face the consequences of their decision. Also, no harm in trying?
Lastly, we have seen many theories dis-proven or shown to be incomplete (e.g. Newton). I'm not bagging him because I think he's the greatest scientist of all time. He was correct in that period of time with all the evidence he had. Not implying that Rife is correct, but certainly, I would love to see an investigation of the curing rates using his device.
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On April 10 2011 03:22 Azzur wrote:
the people that sit on the FDA boards are the ones in charge of pharmaceutical companies
Source or gtfo
Recently, there have been reports in Europe about "superbugs", where drug-resistant diseases have developed.
Recently? Where the fuck have you been, penicillin resistant bacteria began appearing in 1947, only four years after it went into mass production.
Thirdly, it looks like this "resonance treatment" is something inexpensive and side-effect free?
Let me give you a hint: If its too good to be true, and zero modern scientists are actively researching it, its for a damn good reason.
Lastly, we have seen many theories dis-proven or shown to be incomplete (e.g. Newton).
Newton's Laws are goddamn LAWS. They're neither disproven or incomplete. There's Newtonian thinking, but even at light speed F= goddamn m*a, or in more specific terms f=dp/dt.
I sound harsh because I fucking am. Learn science and come back. We live in the information age - educate youself.
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On April 10 2011 12:40 cccalf wrote:Don't know if anyone has linked this yet. http://www.acutonics.com/Sounds like cutting edge stuff.
Are you kidding me?
"Our approach to wellness is rooted in the spiritual and wisdom traditions of Oriental Medicine, which recognizes that most diseases arise from a core blockage in our energy."
From the website. Intentionally trolling? Why isn't this thread closed yet.
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On April 10 2011 08:09 DharmaTurtle wrote:Where to begin... Show nested quote +On April 10 2011 03:22 Azzur wrote:
the people that sit on the FDA boards are the ones in charge of pharmaceutical companies Source or gtfo Show nested quote +Recently, there have been reports in Europe about "superbugs", where drug-resistant diseases have developed. Recently? Where the fuck have you been, penicillin resistant bacteria began appearing in 1947, only four years after it went into mass production. Show nested quote +Thirdly, it looks like this "resonance treatment" is something inexpensive and side-effect free? Let me give you a hint: If its too good to be true, and zero modern scientists are actively researching it, its for a damn good reason. Show nested quote +Lastly, we have seen many theories dis-proven or shown to be incomplete (e.g. Newton). Newton's Laws are goddamn LAWS. They're neither disproven or incomplete. There's Newtonian thinking, but even at light speed F= goddamn m*a, or in more specific terms f=dp/dt.
I sound harsh because I fucking am. Learn science and come back. We live in the information age - educate youself.
Newton's laws aren't able to accurately define the acceleration of large astronomical bodies as of now. It's why there's so many theories (dark matter, etc.) which astronomers/astrophysicists are trying to prove.
EDIT: Relating back to OP. I'm going to look, but in the mean time, does anyone else have any sources relating to Rife's work. The article said he had a 100% success rate with 80~ or so patients, which seems too good to be true. Sadly, given that his downfall occurred in the 30s, I'm not really surprised of anything the article talked about.
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On April 10 2011 08:09 DharmaTurtle wrote:
Newton's Laws are goddamn LAWS. They're neither disproven or incomplete. There's Newtonian thinking, but even at light speed F= goddamn m*a, or in more specific terms f=dp/dt.
I'm gonna be a little pedantic: the only difference between a law and a theory is the amount of people who support it. I am by no means suggesting that Newton was wrong, just that it is possible (albeit really unlikely) that he was.
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On April 10 2011 13:22 StallingHard wrote:Are you kidding me? "Our approach to wellness is rooted in the spiritual and wisdom traditions of Oriental Medicine, which recognizes that most diseases arise from a core blockage in our energy." From the website. Intentionally trolling? Why isn't this thread closed yet.
They have classes where you can learn the art of acutonics for only $400 a class. Of course that's after you have purchased your first set of acutonics tuning forks for $700. This coming from the alternative medicine people who tell you that western medicine is driven by doctors who tell you you're sick so they can make money.
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Stuffs as old as time. People who want a cure for their ailments are sometimes desperate enough to leave their common sense at the door.
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Where do these terrible threads keep coming from? First the 48/2(9+3) one, then planes on a treadmill and now this? Is this all the master plan of someone to troll the uneducated?
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On April 08 2011 18:58 VIB wrote:
Resonance? Really? Do you understand how resonance works and what you'd need to destroy "cancer cells" with it? It's not like cancer has a fixed frequency that you can just guess and throw the inverted frequency to destroy it. The frequency we emanate varies on a lot of variables all the time. You would have to not only be able to see exactly where each atom is, but also know where each one is moving to.
I call BS.
The biggest problem with the cells of cancer, they are essentially made of the same material as our own bodies, therefor their Resonance properties would be very close to our resonance Properties one slip up and we become goo
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This reminds me of a couple years back , an Italian doctor had a 75% cure rate for multiple sclerosis whos theory was that it was due to Iron overload.Of course after this i heard nothing else and the treatment appears to have been blackballed by the mainstream media.
http://www.gizmag.com/ccsvi-multiple-sclerosis-ms-cure-zamboni/13447/
An Italian doctor has been getting dramatic results with a new type of treatment for Multiple Sclerosis, or MS, which affects up to 2.5 million people worldwide. In an initial study, Dr. Paolo Zamboni took 65 patients with relapsing-remitting MS, performed a simple operation to unblock restricted bloodflow out of the brain - and two years after the surgery, 73% of the patients had no symptoms. Dr. Zamboni's thinking could turn the current understanding of MS on its head, and offer many sufferers a complete cure.
Multiple sclerosis, or MS, has long been regarded as a life sentence of debilitating nerve degeneration. More common in females, the disease affects an estimated 2.5 million people around the world, causing physical and mental disabilities that can gradually destroy a patient's quality of life.
It's generally accepted that there's no cure for MS, only treatments that mitigate the symptoms - but a new way of looking at the disease has opened the door to a simple treatment that is causing radical improvements in a small sample of sufferers.
Italian Dr. Paolo Zamboni has put forward the idea that many types of MS are actually caused by a blockage of the pathways that remove excess iron from the brain - and by simply clearing out a couple of major veins to reopen the blood flow, the root cause of the disease can be eliminated.
Dr. Zamboni's revelations came as part of a very personal mission - to cure his wife as she began a downward spiral after diagnosis. Reading everything he could on the subject, Dr. Zamboni found a number of century-old sources citing excess iron as a possible cause of MS. It happened to dovetail with some research he had been doing previously on how a buildup of iron can damage blood vessels in the legs - could it be that a buildup of iron was somehow damaging blood vessels in the brain?
He immediately took to the ultrasound machine to see if the idea had any merit - and made a staggering discovery. More than 90% of people with MS have some sort of malformation or blockage in the veins that drain blood from the brain. Including, as it turned out, his wife.
He formed a hypothesis on how this could lead to MS: iron builds up in the brain, blocking and damaging these crucial blood vessels. As the vessels rupture, they allow both the iron itself, and immune cells from the bloodstream, to cross the blood-brain barrier into the cerebro-spinal fluid. Once the immune cells have direct access to the immune system, they begin to attack the myelin sheathing of the cerebral nerves - Multiple Sclerosis develops.
He named the problem Chronic Cerebro-Spinal Venous Insufficiency, or CCSVI.
Zamboni immediately scheduled his wife for a simple operation to unblock the veins - a catheter was threaded up through blood vessels in the groin area, all the way up to the effected area, and then a small balloon was inflated to clear out the blockage. It's a standard and relatively risk-free operation - and the results were immediate. In the three years since the surgery, Dr. Zamboni's wife has not had an attack.
Widening out his study, Dr. Zamboni then tried the same operation on a group of 65 MS-sufferers, identifying blood drainage blockages in the brain and unblocking them - and more than 73% of the patients are completely free of the symptoms of MS, two years after the operation.
In some cases, a balloon is not enough to fully open the vein channel, which collapses either as soon as the balloon is removed, or sometime later. In these cases, a metal stent can easily be used, which remains in place holding the vein open permanently.
Dr. Zamboni's lucky find is yet to be accepted by the medical community, which is traditionally slow to accept revolutionary ideas. Still, most agree that while further study needs to be undertaken before this is looked upon as a cure for MS, the results thus far have been very positive.
Naturally, support groups for MS sufferers are buzzing with the news that a simple operation could free patients from what they have always been told would be a lifelong affliction, and further studies are being undertaken by researchers around the world hoping to confirm the link between CCSVI and MS, and open the door for the treatment to become available for sufferers worldwide.
It's certainly a very exciting find for MS sufferers, as it represents a possible complete cure, as opposed to an ongoing treatment of symptoms. We wish Dr. Zamboni and the various teams looking further into this issue the best of luck.
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As for the rife machine there is a rife subforum on curezone.org forums , i doubt the posters there have had such impressive results but it might pay to check out , there could be a few success stories there.
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Well according to myself and my panel of experts my computer, the Fridge and the AC unit you have in fact discovered a Conspiracy. huzzah ^_^! Of course now the NHK will come after you..
*cough* In all seriousness while it's an.. interesting concept it doesn't seem to hold up. I am all for testing out things and sure you know what I'd even try this out if I was a researcher but to be frank it's a tad insulting to many Doctors to be placed in this "We are going to kill you rather then simply curing you" box.
I am sorry but no company CEO in the world would be as short sighted as to let a cure for Cancer(any form) go untested or unused. Too much money, instant money. The thing that most recently caused the collapse of many major banks was in lay terms "Short term gains(with high risk)> long term gains" but these same evil ceo's are hiding a cure?
Nonsense. A person with a cure for Cancer would never have to work a day in his life afterwords, would pretty much have his or her choice of lifestyles and be able to fund such things for generations simply by the fame alone. No one would say no to that. No one.
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On April 10 2011 18:05 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:This reminds me of a couple years back , an Italian doctor had a 75% cure rate for multiple sclerosis whos theory was that it was due to Iron overload.Of course after this i heard nothing else and the treatment appears to have been blackballed by the mainstream media. + Show Spoiler +http://www.gizmag.com/ccsvi-multiple-sclerosis-ms-cure-zamboni/13447/An Italian doctor has been getting dramatic results with a new type of treatment for Multiple Sclerosis, or MS, which affects up to 2.5 million people worldwide. In an initial study, Dr. Paolo Zamboni took 65 patients with relapsing-remitting MS, performed a simple operation to unblock restricted bloodflow out of the brain - and two years after the surgery, 73% of the patients had no symptoms. Dr. Zamboni's thinking could turn the current understanding of MS on its head, and offer many sufferers a complete cure. Multiple sclerosis, or MS, has long been regarded as a life sentence of debilitating nerve degeneration. More common in females, the disease affects an estimated 2.5 million people around the world, causing physical and mental disabilities that can gradually destroy a patient's quality of life. It's generally accepted that there's no cure for MS, only treatments that mitigate the symptoms - but a new way of looking at the disease has opened the door to a simple treatment that is causing radical improvements in a small sample of sufferers. Italian Dr. Paolo Zamboni has put forward the idea that many types of MS are actually caused by a blockage of the pathways that remove excess iron from the brain - and by simply clearing out a couple of major veins to reopen the blood flow, the root cause of the disease can be eliminated. Dr. Zamboni's revelations came as part of a very personal mission - to cure his wife as she began a downward spiral after diagnosis. Reading everything he could on the subject, Dr. Zamboni found a number of century-old sources citing excess iron as a possible cause of MS. It happened to dovetail with some research he had been doing previously on how a buildup of iron can damage blood vessels in the legs - could it be that a buildup of iron was somehow damaging blood vessels in the brain? He immediately took to the ultrasound machine to see if the idea had any merit - and made a staggering discovery. More than 90% of people with MS have some sort of malformation or blockage in the veins that drain blood from the brain. Including, as it turned out, his wife. He formed a hypothesis on how this could lead to MS: iron builds up in the brain, blocking and damaging these crucial blood vessels. As the vessels rupture, they allow both the iron itself, and immune cells from the bloodstream, to cross the blood-brain barrier into the cerebro-spinal fluid. Once the immune cells have direct access to the immune system, they begin to attack the myelin sheathing of the cerebral nerves - Multiple Sclerosis develops. He named the problem Chronic Cerebro-Spinal Venous Insufficiency, or CCSVI. Zamboni immediately scheduled his wife for a simple operation to unblock the veins - a catheter was threaded up through blood vessels in the groin area, all the way up to the effected area, and then a small balloon was inflated to clear out the blockage. It's a standard and relatively risk-free operation - and the results were immediate. In the three years since the surgery, Dr. Zamboni's wife has not had an attack. Widening out his study, Dr. Zamboni then tried the same operation on a group of 65 MS-sufferers, identifying blood drainage blockages in the brain and unblocking them - and more than 73% of the patients are completely free of the symptoms of MS, two years after the operation. In some cases, a balloon is not enough to fully open the vein channel, which collapses either as soon as the balloon is removed, or sometime later. In these cases, a metal stent can easily be used, which remains in place holding the vein open permanently. Dr. Zamboni's lucky find is yet to be accepted by the medical community, which is traditionally slow to accept revolutionary ideas. Still, most agree that while further study needs to be undertaken before this is looked upon as a cure for MS, the results thus far have been very positive. Naturally, support groups for MS sufferers are buzzing with the news that a simple operation could free patients from what they have always been told would be a lifelong affliction, and further studies are being undertaken by researchers around the world hoping to confirm the link between CCSVI and MS, and open the door for the treatment to become available for sufferers worldwide. It's certainly a very exciting find for MS sufferers, as it represents a possible complete cure, as opposed to an ongoing treatment of symptoms. We wish Dr. Zamboni and the various teams looking further into this issue the best of luck.
I can help you out there, as there has been a ton of reporting on this issue in Canada (we have a very high rate of MS compared to other countries, and also we like zamboni's).
Based on the current expert understanding of MS, the treatment is unlikely to be a cure, and at best would somehow alleviate the symptoms. Under this hypothesis, the current positive evidence is simply confirmation bias.
Others say that the treatment is a complete cure. However, the reported evidence suggests that at the very least it doesn't work for everybody. Also, there have been a number of tragic cases reported of people dying from complications of the very dangerous surgery needed for the therapy. So in the Canadian media at least, the position that proper scientific studies are needed to test the therapy has been vindicated. Various provincial governments are going ahead with funding for such studies.
All of this has been reported in our media, contrary to your claim that the subject has been blacklisted. And you could have figured all of this out with a simply google search.
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Newton's Laws are goddamn LAWS. They're neither disproven or incomplete. There's Newtonian thinking, but even at light speed F= goddamn m*a, or in more specific terms f=dp/dt.
I sound harsh because I fucking am. Learn science and come back. We live in the information age - educate youself.
the entire field of quantum mechanics exists to explain behaviour that does not follow newtonian physics/classical mechanics...
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-Archangel- you actually believe this bullcrap? Have you ever heard of peer-review? Don't you wonder why you haven't seen the work of Dr Rife in any journal?
I haven't bothered to read through all the replies, but I hope no one else believes in this bullcrap too.
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On April 10 2011 17:58 Drxz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2011 18:58 VIB wrote:
Resonance? Really? Do you understand how resonance works and what you'd need to destroy "cancer cells" with it? It's not like cancer has a fixed frequency that you can just guess and throw the inverted frequency to destroy it. The frequency we emanate varies on a lot of variables all the time. You would have to not only be able to see exactly where each atom is, but also know where each one is moving to.
I call BS. The biggest problem with the cells of cancer, they are essentially made of the same material as our own bodies, therefor their Resonance properties would be very close to our resonance Properties one slip up and we become goo
Cells don't have resonance properties. The molecules, yes, the whole cell, no.
In the example, glass breaks because the harmonic waves build up energy in the glass (i.e. the energy from the sound waves incident upon it do not dissipate or radiate from the glass). Let's say I know what acoustic frequency the glass is really good at absorbing. This frequency depends upon both what it is made out of and it's shape. If I play this frequency kinda quietly, the glass will absorb it and vibrate at this frequency quite efficiently. However, if I play this frequency really loud, the glass will start to vibrate at what are termed the harmonic frequencies. So let's say the frequency it absorbs is f, the harmonic frequencies are 2f, 3f, 4f, etc. To get the glass to vibrate at the a frequency of 2f requires a lot more sound than just regular f. 3f requires more than 2f, 4f takes more than 3f, and so on.
Now, think about the same shape, but made of rubber. We already know intuitively what will happen. The rubber glass won't break, even if I play a sound at it's resonance frequency. But physically, why? The effect is called damping, it roughly translates into the rubber doing something else with the energy. In the rubber, the energy is dissipated through movement. The rubber glass will move and bend. When the glass in the first experiment tries to move and bend, it shatters, cause it's more solid. Your cells, on the other hand, are surrounded by water (which would dampen the applied energy if it were a sound), or, if you used electromagnetic waves (like these guys mention) you could only cause resonances in molecules, not the entire cell. And, like the glass, you need a lot of light to achieve this, in fact, you can only do this with lasers. And lasers were invented 20 years after this guy's work.
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On April 10 2011 13:39 sureshot_ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2011 08:09 DharmaTurtle wrote:Where to begin... On April 10 2011 03:22 Azzur wrote:
the people that sit on the FDA boards are the ones in charge of pharmaceutical companies Source or gtfo Recently, there have been reports in Europe about "superbugs", where drug-resistant diseases have developed. Recently? Where the fuck have you been, penicillin resistant bacteria began appearing in 1947, only four years after it went into mass production. Thirdly, it looks like this "resonance treatment" is something inexpensive and side-effect free? Let me give you a hint: If its too good to be true, and zero modern scientists are actively researching it, its for a damn good reason. Lastly, we have seen many theories dis-proven or shown to be incomplete (e.g. Newton). Newton's Laws are goddamn LAWS. They're neither disproven or incomplete. There's Newtonian thinking, but even at light speed F= goddamn m*a, or in more specific terms f=dp/dt.
I sound harsh because I fucking am. Learn science and come back. We live in the information age - educate youself. Newton's laws aren't able to accurately define the acceleration of large astronomical bodies as of now. It's why there's so many theories (dark matter, etc.) which astronomers/astrophysicists are trying to prove.
Yeah for some reason people who are so "passionate" about their knowledge of science fail to remember is that science is empirical in nature and exists to expand our understanding not just to define what is definitively right and wrong.
Scientific information is right until it's proven wrong as history has showed us time and time again. Just because Newton called it his "Law" doesn't make it any more definitive than if I were to make up my own.
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