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On April 09 2011 09:04 dreamingwolf wrote:This is really interesting and I don't think that its absolutely farfetched.. Music, after all, has the power to affect our mood and energy. I also saw something on National Geographic about how a cats purr has a healing effect on its body. Here's a link about it. http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=why-do-cats-purr
Chicken soup can also have a healing effect -- if you have a cold. Casts can have a healing effect -- if you have a broken bone. Why on earth does this mean that its not far-fetched that sound/soup/casts could cure cancer?
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God I hate conspiracy theories. Today on a well child consult I had to go through a father who wouldn't vaccinate his child believing the conspiracy theories of a well known TV idiot spreading lies about medicine. That alone made me rage, obviously not at the father, he's only guilty of being ridiculously naive, but at the damn conspiracy theorizers that make people take stupid paths with no real evidence. In this case, evidence has grossly shown that the risk/benefit ratio for vaccinations favors benefit by a huge deal.
In this whole magnetic field curing cancer thing, it might work on some cell types. After all, ultrasound and infrared waves have been shown to have effects on biological functions of cells, particularly in the pain management area, by different mechanisms. However, if it were THAT simple, it would certainly be standard cancer treatment by now. I don't know the specifics about this, but I do know there's no way any real doctor/investigator would hold on to this information because farmaceutical companies are making their living off cancer therapies, that's just ridiculous.
As far as new cancer therapies, I'm pretty sure immunologic modulation and enzimatic modifications have made quite a few advances. I had a friend who worked on immunologic research on malignant melanomas, it was quite successful, if expensive to recreate.
Anyways, the point is: Researchers won't hide this for money, that's ridiculous, even more considering they'd be losing money by hiding it. Cancer has been and will be very difficult to treat, this is why the best way to fight it is screening and prevention (as in: Eat less fat, eat lower amounts of protein based foods, do not engage in unprotected sex, vaccinate as needed, don't spend life under the sun, stop smoking, don't drink as much, visit your doctor regularly, autoexamine your breast/testicles, etc.)
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I really don't know much on the subject itself but I do recall hearing that drug companies are in fact not "making bank" as many would believe. Research costs are huge and for every awesome drug that goes through and turns a profit there are a decent amount that come to nothing except to throw away cash for all that research and testing. If drug companies had a magical cure they wouldn't be holding back because at this point in our medical knowledge its impossible to prevent cancer so there will always be a strong market for it.
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Nanoparticles will probably be the future of cancer fighting. Gold particles can be used, which attach to cancer cell receptors, and there are various theorized methods to interact with the gold to destroy the cells - infrared light can cause the gold to heat up and kill the cell for example.
Most of these research stories can be found through google.
I believe there was also a story similar to the OP where nanoparticles were used in conjunction with ultrasound to resonate the particles and destroy the cell, but I'm having a hard time finding articles for it.
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The technology available today to do what's described in the OP in trivial and easily affordable to reproduce. So the OP should clearly purchase the necessary equipment and find the magic "frequency" that cures cancer. You could be the richest man in the world or it's greatest humanitarian.
Or it's complete bullshit.
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http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=people with cancer in the world
There are 7.11 million deaths due to cancer per year, with average death probability being 1 in 8. That's 56 million cancer patients in the world every year at any time.
I would say that if you had a cure for cancer, that's a LOT of money you can make. You're not gonna save it to yourself to make a dime on some lesser drug that you're selling. Cure for cancer = money. Therefore I doubt anyone has discovered a "cure" yet ("cure" because cancer is a collection of things which cannot all be cured by one single method AFAIK, it's like curing all mental illnesses with the same drug, not gonna happen).
Also, curing cancer doesn't mean cancer will never appear on anyone again. If you find a cure, you just found an infinite cash cow, because people will keep getting cancer for whatever reason at the same rate as always.
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"The fuel on which the body's cells run is called adenosine triphosphate (ATP). ATP must be created by all cells, including cancer cells, for energy. The biochemical process in which ATP is created is called oxidation phosphorylation and is oxygen-dependent. Healthy cells require the conditions of alkalinity and high molecular oxygen (O2) to produce ATP and function properly. In contrast, non-oxygen-respiratory organisms - like cancer cells - make ATP by fermentation phosphorylation, which requires the conditions of acidity and low oxygen to function, and actually produces additional acids."
Cancer is an overly acidic condition which is caused by a lack of oxygen. Lack of oxygen mainly comes from the consumption of too much dead lifeless food (fastfood, chips, cookies, cooked foods). This kind of food robs the body of oxygen at a very fast pace that the human body just can't keep up with. It's the equivalent of putting sugar in an engine.
All you have to do is keep your internal state alkaline and you can't get cancer.
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On April 09 2011 13:55 HowitZer wrote:
"The fuel on which the body's cells run is called adenosine triphosphate (ATP). ATP must be created by all cells, including cancer cells, for energy. The biochemical process in which ATP is created is called oxidation phosphorylation and is oxygen-dependent. Healthy cells require the conditions of alkalinity and high molecular oxygen (O2) to produce ATP and function properly. In contrast, non-oxygen-respiratory organisms - like cancer cells - make ATP by fermentation phosphorylation, which requires the conditions of acidity and low oxygen to function, and actually produces additional acids."
Cancer is an overly acidic condition which is caused by a lack of oxygen. Lack of oxygen mainly comes from the consumption of too much dead lifeless food (fastfood, chips, cookies, cooked foods). This kind of food robs the body of oxygen at a very fast pace that the human body just can't keep up with. It's the equivalent of putting sugar in an engine.
All you have to do is keep your internal state alkaline and you can't get cancer.
isnt cancer hereditary?
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On April 08 2011 18:47 MamiyaOtaru wrote:
this type of thread is an excellent shibboleth. divides the retards from the norms really well
:-) I totally agree... I never understood why people believe in all those conspiracy theories...
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On April 09 2011 13:55 HowitZer wrote:
"The fuel on which the body's cells run is called adenosine triphosphate (ATP). ATP must be created by all cells, including cancer cells, for energy. The biochemical process in which ATP is created is called oxidation phosphorylation and is oxygen-dependent. Healthy cells require the conditions of alkalinity and high molecular oxygen (O2) to produce ATP and function properly. In contrast, non-oxygen-respiratory organisms - like cancer cells - make ATP by fermentation phosphorylation, which requires the conditions of acidity and low oxygen to function, and actually produces additional acids."
Cancer is an overly acidic condition which is caused by a lack of oxygen. Lack of oxygen mainly comes from the consumption of too much dead lifeless food (fastfood, chips, cookies, cooked foods). This kind of food robs the body of oxygen at a very fast pace that the human body just can't keep up with. It's the equivalent of putting sugar in an engine.
All you have to do is keep your internal state alkaline and you can't get cancer.
What medical journal are you taking this acidic cancer cell stuff from. Also, good luck keeping urself alkaline with fucking CO2 in your bloodstream.
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Fans and air conditioners create chi vortexes, sucking the oxygen out of the air and killing anyone in a confined place without ventilation.
Drinking water while you're eating will dilute the acid in your stomach, making digestion less effective. It also washes all the nutrients away.
The average American eats 8 spiders a year in their sleep.
Calcium is an alkaline, and is drawn from the bone marrow to normalize the pH in your blood if it gets too acidic. This is why you should never exercise anaerobically; you'll get osteoperosis.
The radiation you get from standing in the sun on a clear day in 1 hour is as bad for you as living 100km away from the Fukushima plant. Wear sunblock (it blocks the sun).
On a related note, don't use microwave ovens. You'll get cancer.
Don't get vaccinations. You'll become autistic. (Even if you're autistic already, don't get vaccinations. Your autism will stay for a longer time, ie you'll live longer.)
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On April 09 2011 14:27 BottleAbuser wrote:
The average American eats 8 spiders a year in their sleep.
http://www.snopes.com/science/stats/spiders.asp
On April 09 2011 14:27 BottleAbuser wrote:
Calcium is an alkaline, and is drawn from the bone marrow to normalize the pH in your blood if it gets too acidic. This is why you should never exercise anaerobically; you'll get osteoperosis.
And I hope you're kidding about this...
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On April 09 2011 15:35 LG)Sabbath wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2011 14:27 BottleAbuser wrote:
The average American eats 8 spiders a year in their sleep.
http://www.snopes.com/science/stats/spiders.aspShow nested quote +On April 09 2011 14:27 BottleAbuser wrote:
Calcium is an alkaline, and is drawn from the bone marrow to normalize the pH in your blood if it gets too acidic. This is why you should never exercise anaerobically; you'll get osteoperosis.
And I hope you're kidding about this...
His entire post is obviously sarcastic. You take exception to the spiders and calcium thing but let everything else slide? What???
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This thread (read: Archangel) is hilarious. Bioresonance as a cure for the "cancer virus" is obviously a pseudoscience. I have no idea why someone with no actual knowledge of biology, cancer, resonance, et al would defend this so fervently.
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On April 09 2011 11:00 mordk wrote:
God I hate conspiracy theories. Today on a well child consult I had to go through a father who wouldn't vaccinate his child believing the conspiracy theories of a well known TV idiot spreading lies about medicine. That alone made me rage, obviously not at the father, he's only guilty of being ridiculously naive, but at the damn conspiracy theorizers that make people take stupid paths with no real evidence. In this case, evidence has grossly shown that the risk/benefit ratio for vaccinations favors benefit by a huge deal.
In this whole magnetic field curing cancer thing, it might work on some cell types. After all, ultrasound and infrared waves have been shown to have effects on biological functions of cells, particularly in the pain management area, by different mechanisms. However, if it were THAT simple, it would certainly be standard cancer treatment by now. I don't know the specifics about this, but I do know there's no way any real doctor/investigator would hold on to this information because farmaceutical companies are making their living off cancer therapies, that's just ridiculous.
As far as new cancer therapies, I'm pretty sure immunologic modulation and enzimatic modifications have made quite a few advances. I had a friend who worked on immunologic research on malignant melanomas, it was quite successful, if expensive to recreate.
Anyways, the point is: Researchers won't hide this for money, that's ridiculous, even more considering they'd be losing money by hiding it. Cancer has been and will be very difficult to treat, this is why the best way to fight it is screening and prevention (as in: Eat less fat, eat lower amounts of protein based foods, do not engage in unprotected sex, vaccinate as needed, don't spend life under the sun, stop smoking, don't drink as much, visit your doctor regularly, autoexamine your breast/testicles, etc.)
A lot of the Vaccine disaster can be laid to blame on the study from the Lancet, which was complete fraud and a disaster for many, many people. But there's one thing they've really screwed up in giving Vaccines: they'd loading up too many at once. I know it's generally easier to give a kid the shots at once (less hassle), but there's a heavy tendency to give the kid the shots when they're in there & sick already. Thus, the kids naturally have a pretty rough reaction when you hit them with 4 vaccines at once, while sick. There's no easy (or necessarily very cheap) method to get around this, but it's definitely an issue that needs to be assuaged in a lot of parents. You can see a not-nice reaction in the faces of a lot of parents when talking about vaccines, because the ended up dealing with a fairly sick child for a solid week because of it. There really is a good deal of room for public education on this subject again.
On April 09 2011 12:36 Slaughter wrote:
I really don't know much on the subject itself but I do recall hearing that drug companies are in fact not "making bank" as many would believe. Research costs are huge and for every awesome drug that goes through and turns a profit there are a decent amount that come to nothing except to throw away cash for all that research and testing. If drug companies had a magical cure they wouldn't be holding back because at this point in our medical knowledge its impossible to prevent cancer so there will always be a strong market for it.
For patented medications, the "profit" margin per pill is roughly in the 90% range. There's a few exceptions, but for the most part, the costs in Pharmaceuticals is all capital. That's where a lot of the angst is about. Yes, it may only cost them 12 cents to make the pill, but it cost them 50 million to make the machinery and another 1 billion to do all of the research & testing (mostly the testing, actually; full phase 3 FDA testing can run up to 500 million in some cases).
Pharma is really in a no-win situation. In a lot of cases, they're effectively charging people to save their lives. In the other case, if they didn't, there'd be no one to fund the actual development of the medication and you'd be assuredly dead. They're actually pretty huge in charitable donations of medicines (roughly 300 million a year across the industry), but the prices for new medicines is pretty rough in the States. But on the flip side, we tend to get them far ahead of the rest of the world because, well, we pay retail price for them. (There's a whole lot of patent abuse/racketeering going on by a lot of countries when it comes to medicine, but let's not get into that)
But, I really never get the "the Man(!) is holding down the cure for cancer!" theories. Think how stupid, just on the face of them, they are. The profit potential to a cure for cancer is insane. As well pointed out already, 7 million new cases a year. Your market isn't going anywhere quickly. And if it could be cured with some common, every day substance, they'd just put it a special delivery device and sell it like they normally do, after the Phase 3 testing completed. It's just the way they work. Might be annoying, but if a cure for cancer did show up, they'd be marketing it like mad and selling it for as much as they could (and that'd be a lot, at the start). Actually, they could probably get away with 20k or more for a full-cycle of treatments. Considering the cost for radiation/chemotherapy alone, every insurance company would jump on the bandwagon like mad as well.
Still, "cancer" isn't one thing; there's so many forms that there won't be a "cure for cancer" but "cures for specific types of cancer" that'll be developed. Nanoparticle-delivery is going to be a big thing in the near future and holds a lot of promise. There is also very early stages of development for a way to prevent metastasizing of cancer cells. That holds huge promise (as it's really the spread of cancer that normally kills you), but it's also probably 10 years away from effective treatment regimes.
So, there's a lot out there, and there may be some cranks that were actually right (see the inclusion of Podiatry into "normal" medicine), but with extraordinary claims, you need extraordinary proof as well.
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Regan introduced crack and HIV to black neighbourhoods to get them started. Government killed tupac and Biggie to ensure a never ending civil war between gangsters.
(Tupac actually alive in cuba)
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As a fulltime cancer researcher, I have no patience for this kind of garbage conspiracy theories. Skepticism is the essence of learning. Don't believe everything you read.
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On April 09 2011 15:44 StallingHard wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2011 15:35 LG)Sabbath wrote:On April 09 2011 14:27 BottleAbuser wrote:
The average American eats 8 spiders a year in their sleep.
http://www.snopes.com/science/stats/spiders.aspOn April 09 2011 14:27 BottleAbuser wrote:
Calcium is an alkaline, and is drawn from the bone marrow to normalize the pH in your blood if it gets too acidic. This is why you should never exercise anaerobically; you'll get osteoperosis.
And I hope you're kidding about this... His entire post is obviously sarcastic. You take exception to the spiders and calcium thing but let everything else slide? What???
I did not want to bother with the rest, the stuff I quoted just stood out for me and removed all credibility his post might have had. If it's sarcasm, it's really subtle if I have to go to snopes.com to get the hint (I assume most people haven't read the article I liked before I did so).
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On April 10 2011 02:11 LG)Sabbath wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2011 15:44 StallingHard wrote:On April 09 2011 15:35 LG)Sabbath wrote:On April 09 2011 14:27 BottleAbuser wrote:
The average American eats 8 spiders a year in their sleep.
http://www.snopes.com/science/stats/spiders.aspOn April 09 2011 14:27 BottleAbuser wrote:
Calcium is an alkaline, and is drawn from the bone marrow to normalize the pH in your blood if it gets too acidic. This is why you should never exercise anaerobically; you'll get osteoperosis.
And I hope you're kidding about this... His entire post is obviously sarcastic. You take exception to the spiders and calcium thing but let everything else slide? What??? I did not want to bother with the rest, the stuff I quoted just stood out for me and removed all credibility his post might have had. If it's sarcasm, it's really subtle if I have to go to snopes.com to get the hint (I assume most people haven't read the article I liked before I did so).
I don't know, he got me at Chi vortexes. It was really blatant.
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On April 08 2011 18:35 -Archangel- wrote:
My opinion:
I believe this guy really found the cure for cancer and other illnesses, but what I am not sure if people who today sell instruments based on his discoveries are trying to cheat us or not. What I am really sad is that the mainstream science community is not trying to a part of this and help make this a mainstream thing that will benefit the whole of mankind.
I find it really hard to discuss the material without involving you in the picture. It's amazing how easily you trust a source without validating it. Most of the flaws have already been picked upon by the rest of the community, so there's not much point in restating them.
If he could use natural frequencies to kill those cells, he probably can kill anyone. If you thought about it for a second, perhaps you would not have started this thread.
Anyway, your intentions are good. But you do need to reflect on your naiveness
Really suggest a mod close this ridiculous thread.
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