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gongryong
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)1430 Posts
March 23 2011 02:49 GMT
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God had a wife, Asherah, whom the Book of Kings suggests was worshiped alongside Yahweh in his temple in Israel, according to an Oxford scholar.

In 1967, Raphael Patai was the first historian to mention that the ancient Israelites worshiped both Yahweh and Asherah. The theory has gained new prominence due to the research of Francesca Stavrakopoulou, who began her work at Oxford and is now a senior lecturer in the department of Theology and Religion at the University of Exeter.

Information presented in Stavrakopoulou's books, lectures and journal papers has become the basis of a three-part documentary series, now airing in Europe, where she discusses the Yahweh-Asherah connection.

"You might know him as Yahweh, Allah or God. But on this fact, Jews, Muslims and Christians, the people of the great Abrahamic religions, are agreed: There is only one of Him," writes Stavrakopoulou in a statement released to the British media. "He is a solitary figure, a single, universal creator, not one God among many ... or so we like to believe."

"After years of research specializing in the history and religion of Israel, however, I have come to a colorful and what could seem, to some, uncomfortable conclusion that God had a wife," she added.

Stavrakopoulou bases her theory on ancient texts, amulets and figurines unearthed primarily in the ancient Canaanite coastal city called Ugarit, now modern-day Syria. All of these artifacts reveal that Asherah was a powerful fertility goddess.

Asherah's connection to Yahweh, according to Stavrakopoulou, is spelled out in both the Bible and an 8th century B.C. inscription on pottery found in the Sinai desert at a site called Kuntillet Ajrud.

"The inscription is a petition for a blessing," she shares. "Crucially, the inscription asks for a blessing from 'Yahweh and his Asherah.' Here was evidence that presented Yahweh and Asherah as a divine pair. And now a handful of similar inscriptions have since been found, all of which help to strengthen the case that the God of the Bible once had a wife."

Also significant, Stavrakopoulou believes, "is the Bible's admission that the goddess Asherah was worshiped in Yahweh's Temple in Jerusalem. In the Book of Kings, we're told that a statue of Asherah was housed in the temple and that female temple personnel wove ritual textiles for her."

J. Edward Wright, president of both The Arizona Center for Judaic Studies and The Albright Institute for Archaeological Research, told Discovery News that he agrees several Hebrew inscriptions mention "Yahweh and his Asherah."

"Asherah was not entirely edited out of the Bible by its male editors," he added. "Traces of her remain, and based on those traces, archaeological evidence and references to her in texts from nations bordering Israel and Judah, we can reconstruct her role in the religions of the Southern Levant."

Asherah -- known across the ancient Near East by various other names, such as Astarte and Istar -- was "an important deity, one who was both mighty and nurturing," Wright continued.

"Many English translations prefer to translate 'Asherah' as 'Sacred Tree,'" Wright said. "This seems to be in part driven by a modern desire, clearly inspired by the Biblical narratives, to hide Asherah behind a veil once again."

"Mentions of the goddess Asherah in the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament) are rare and have been heavily edited by the ancient authors who gathered the texts together," Aaron Brody, director of the Bade Museum and an associate professor of Bible and archaeology at the Pacific School of Religion, said.

Asherah as a tree symbol was even said to have been "chopped down and burned outside the Temple in acts of certain rulers who were trying to 'purify' the cult, and focus on the worship of a single male god, Yahweh," he added.

The ancient Israelites were polytheists, Brody told Discovery News, "with only a small minority worshiping Yahweh alone before the historic events of 586 B.C." In that year, an elite community within Judea was exiled to Babylon and the Temple in Jerusalem was destroyed. This, Brody said, led to "a more universal vision of strict monotheism: one god not only for Judah, but for all of the nations."


TLDR: God had a wife, and her name was Asherah, claims British historian Francesca Stavrakopoulou. Artifacts, amulets, and ancient text she found at modern-day Syria pointed to a belief system that worshiped a couple, Ashera being a powerful fertility goddess. She further claims that Asherah was edited out of the Bible by male scholars who compiled it, but that there were remnants of her presence particularly in the Book of Kings where she "is worshiped in Yahweh's Temple in Jerusalem." Some surviving texts refer to her as the "Sacred Tree". /end

Being neither Catholic nor Christian, this only affirms my belief that religion is and has always been subject to context, and people across geography and time have "used" it in order to better understand the reality that confronts them. To be sure, there are plenty of texts out there that are yet to be discovered (similar to the Gnostic gospels on Judas and Magdalene). Unless God shows up one day and tells everyone the Truth, I think religion will always play this hermeneutic function - which is in fact both empowering and dangerous.

Personally, I believe Kant has solved this riddle a long time ago. Granting the impossibility of proving or disproving God, religion has to happen personally. No matter what the manifestation or accouterment a given religion possesses, or no matter how people practice it, religion should first and foremost be a "wake up" event on a personal level. Faith, then, becomes inscrutable.
JAEDONG ÜBERBONJWA!
B.I.G.
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
3251 Posts
March 23 2011 02:53 GMT
#2
this thread will be closed in no time in think...
but apart from that, im raised a catholic and imo the way religion is tought to us is nothing more then an interpretation of men. not god. so all the stuff they say in the bible and church should be taken with a grain of salt.

again, thats all just my opinion
Igakusei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States610 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-23 03:08:03
March 23 2011 02:53 GMT
#3
Bad timing for this thread, considering the other one that just got closed not 5 minutes ago:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=204068

On topic though, A History of God by Karen Armstrong is a book that you will almost certainly enjoy.

A Youtuber made a video summary of the first couple chapters here. He oversimplifies a few things, but it's good enough to give you an idea.

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MuTT
Profile Joined July 2010
United States398 Posts
March 23 2011 02:55 GMT
#4
Wait. Is this an agnostic thread or a does god have a wife thread.

If its agnostic I'd like to add that its not just religion that gives you 'empowerment'. Any understanding can liberate you from fear of the uncertain and to rely on sources you would never trust otherwise will only lead to a life with split meanings. On one side you have one where its okay to believe in the stories and another where everything else requires a much strict form of evidence. I suggest science/agnosticism as a way to get empowerment without the compartmentalization.
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FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-23 02:57:45
March 23 2011 02:57 GMT
#5
On March 23 2011 11:55 MuTT wrote:
Wait. Is this an agnostic thread or a does god have a wife thread.


I don't really get where OP is trying to go with this either...
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gongryong
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)1430 Posts
March 23 2011 02:58 GMT
#6
On March 23 2011 11:53 Igakusei wrote:
Bad timing for this thread, considering the other one that just got closed not 5 minutes ago:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=204068

On topic though, A History of God by Karen Armstrong is a book that you will almost certainly enjoy.


Im just sharing something of interest, so i dont mind if its closed. Its not as if i made this thread to outlast TL you know

nope, History of God is ancient text as they come, you should read Rorty and Vattimo's Future of Religion instead.
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NIJ
Profile Joined March 2010
1012 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-23 03:00:57
March 23 2011 02:58 GMT
#7
i dont know if this is correct or not, but if it is, its not surprising. things get modified over time. theres stuff about how god couldnt defeat some tribe cause they were using iron chariots, implying that god is not omnipotent... right in the bible. so god's concept changes with time isnt a new argument.

interesting nonetheless. mrs god? lol.

edit: also in all fairness to believers. this could be some study of some far extreme cult that existed at the time. theres always people will differing idea of god and its not exactly a fair depiction if that was the case.
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Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
March 23 2011 02:58 GMT
#8
To quote Ratzinger, why is this age obsessed with finding religion through history?
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Milkis
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
5003 Posts
March 23 2011 02:58 GMT
#9
every once in a while people make dumb theories to get attention when the bible itselfs literally tells you why there were asherah poles in the temple

holy crap
Igakusei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States610 Posts
March 23 2011 02:59 GMT
#10
On March 23 2011 11:58 gongryong wrote:
nope, History of God is ancient text as they come, you should read Rorty and Vattimo's Future of Religion instead.


I know AHoG has been out for quite awhile, but I only read it this last year

Tell me about Future of Religion
aimaimaim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Philippines2167 Posts
March 23 2011 02:59 GMT
#11
Then why did he need to use Mary then? Joseph could have had his own child. QQ
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YejinYejin
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1053 Posts
March 23 2011 03:00 GMT
#12
You don't have to reinforce that belief. It's a true fact. Religion has been twisted over the years to suit personal means, and even if it hadn't been, it still would come out twisted.

Consider this: assume that you are a true believer (or, if you actually are a true believer, just keep on reading) that the Holy Bible came down from God himself, and had no human influence whatsoever in it's original copy. Great, now we have a single book from the big man, with all the stuff we should listen to.

But we need to spread this book! Spread the word! How do we do that? By making more books. Unfortunately, no guy named Gutenberg has come along and invented a printing press doo-dah yet. Alas, how do we make more books? Only one way: copy them over by hand.

Yay, I just copied over a thousand pages entirely perfectly. I definitely didn't make a SINGLE mistake, because, you know, I'm perfect and all. Here you go, fellow dude! You can copy it to spread the word, too, if you want. I'm sure that you ALSO are completely perfect and will not make any mistakes when transferring the content of this book into another book.

Oh, what's that? We need to translate it into other languages? Okay, I'll do that. I'm sure that all of my interpretations of this specific phrase in this language are entirely universal, and that every other translator agrees with me exactly. Absolutely nothing will be lost in translation!

So yeah, that happens for a couple centuries. Then we end up with a million different versions of the bible. There are attempts to standardize the bible, of course (the original Gutenberg bible, the King James version, etc.) but they won't cover everything, and even those standardizations have come after centuries of miscopying and mistranslation.

Honestly, even if controlling men didn't cut out a wife of God on purpose, it could still have been accidentally lost over the long periods of time. One person copies a pronoun wrong, and instead of feminine, God's wife is now neuter gender. Now, instead of "she," we read "it," and assume that it is an object, with a connection to God that is no more special than any other object.
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Redmark
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2129 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-23 03:01:45
March 23 2011 03:00 GMT
#13
On March 23 2011 11:58 Jerubaal wrote:
To quote Ratzinger, why is this age obsessed with finding religion through history?

What is the bible if not history? This is not a rhetorical question. I hope the answer isn't god transcends time or something like that.

Though I agree that trying to (dis)prove (parts of) religion through archaeology is a bit silly.
mprs
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2933 Posts
March 23 2011 03:01 GMT
#14
The article doesn't go much into detail, so we can always question the credibility of the "science". However, it does make sense that if there was a "female god", then the good males of our species would have probably taken her out (let us be honest, empowered women were never a good conclusion for any society).

However, what I'm wondering is how she could have gotten into religion in the first place. I would think that religion is both written and edited by man. It seems out of place for a male writer to think it a good idea to add a non-male god.

Oh well this doesn't effect me much.
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MaxField
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2386 Posts
March 23 2011 03:01 GMT
#15
On March 23 2011 11:53 Igakusei wrote:
Bad timing for this thread, considering the other one that just got closed not 5 minutes ago:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=204068

On topic though, A History of God by Karen Armstrong is a book that you will almost certainly enjoy.

A Youtuber made a video summary of the first couple chapters here. He oversimplifies a few things, but it's good enough to give you an idea.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlnnWbkMlbg

Haha i like what evilTeletubby said at the end of that thread.

I really dont have much to say about the thread. I am worried that this will just turn into a big ol religion bash...

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noobcakes
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States526 Posts
March 23 2011 03:03 GMT
#16
For some reason I always try to log on quick to post in threads that are about to be closed. To leave my mark? IDK.

Anyways, this is interesting. Now a lot of religious debates saying women should be kept at work and such will have more reasons to support otherwise.
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42934 Posts
March 23 2011 03:04 GMT
#17
This looks to be more about the propagation and evolution of religion and mythology over time than the sensationalist title would suggest. Hopefully it'll avoid turning into a flamewar and we won't need to close it.
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44561 Posts
March 23 2011 03:06 GMT
#18
We JUST opened, and JUST closed a religious thread.

I guess this means that God can't be given any female pronouns? I know some religious speakers wanted to make it sound fair (gender-wise) by not only using He, but by also using She, when referring to God.
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101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
March 23 2011 03:07 GMT
#19
On March 23 2011 12:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
We JUST opened, and JUST closed a religious thread.

This specific topic [hopefully] won't spur flame between believers and nonbelievers.
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44561 Posts
March 23 2011 03:08 GMT
#20
On March 23 2011 12:04 KwarK wrote:
This looks to be more about the propagation and evolution of religion and mythology over time than the sensationalist title would suggest. Hopefully it'll avoid turning into a flamewar and we won't need to close it.


Yeah... hopefully. I doubt it though

I think someone needs to make a thread on how to avoid flame wars on religious threads, before we can ever have a successful religious thread.
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