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tnkted
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1359 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-23 16:31:35
March 23 2011 03:32 GMT
#41
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101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
March 23 2011 03:33 GMT
#42
On March 23 2011 12:32 tnkted wrote:
well, you'd think that mary would be god's wife, since he totally banged her to create jesus, and premarital sex is wrong...

But see, she was still a virgin.
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RodrigoX
Profile Joined November 2009
United States645 Posts
March 23 2011 03:37 GMT
#43
I am not having an opinion on this, but let it be said, many times throughout the OT jews constantly worshipped other gods than their god, God. So it could be just as well that those are remnants of pieces of whatever of something happening along the lines of worshipping god and then some other god.
We were all raised on televion that made us believe we'd all be Millionairs, Movie gods, and Rockstars..... But we won't.... We are slowly learning that fact. And we are very, very pissed off.
Rawenkeke
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway350 Posts
March 23 2011 03:39 GMT
#44
holyshit. 2nd religion thread in less than 1 hour or so, it's getting closed, the other one spun out of control almost immediatly
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45973 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-23 03:39:56
March 23 2011 03:39 GMT
#45
On March 23 2011 12:24 Gatsbi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2011 12:20 mowglie wrote:
On March 23 2011 12:17 Keitzer wrote:
religion = belief. that's it...

what about the people that believe theres an alien god or some shit?

what about the europeans (fuck... romans?) that believed in titans, and other gods and shit


I would go further and say that not all beliefs are equal, that some are pretty damn outrageous while other beliefs are reasonable.


What? That's absolutely ridiculous. Believeing in the Christian God is just as ridiculous as believing in the Flying Spaghetti Monster, why is one more outrageous than the other? Are you sure you're not biased?


And that's not a biased thing to say?

On topic:
Do we know if a certain sect of Christians are already aware of this wife of God?
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
MoltkeWarding
Profile Joined November 2003
5195 Posts
March 23 2011 03:40 GMT
#46
On March 23 2011 12:15 mowglie wrote:
I don't think we should jump to conclusion based on the work of this one theologian alone. Is this person's work peer reviewed by other secular and non-secular theologians? Or are we seeking information that supports our view to bash religion?

I quote one person's comment from that link.

"The article is misleading. The ancient isarelites did indeed frequently pray to foreign Gods and godesses, and in every place in the Bible where they have done so, it has been called an abomination, that Asherah was an adopted Canaanite goddess, and that kings and rulers who worshipped such did evil in the sight of the Lord. The prophets of Asherah were central to the story of the face-off between Elijah and the Canaanites told in 1 Kings 18. The fact that archeologists find inscriptions to Asherah does not indicate that she was "erased" from the Theology, or that she was once main-stream Judaism. Anyone who has actually studied the old testament, particularly Samuel/Chronicles/Kings knows that this is indicative of the very falling-away and heresies that are documented in these texts."


People need to read this comment before posting further. Also, the mate of Asherah was not the orthodox Jewish God, but Baal, his Caanite counterpart. For those infidels who did worship Baal as God, it's obvious that you can interpret Asherah as being the wife of "God," but this does not mean the biblical God.
101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
March 23 2011 03:41 GMT
#47
On March 23 2011 12:39 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2011 12:24 Gatsbi wrote:
On March 23 2011 12:20 mowglie wrote:
On March 23 2011 12:17 Keitzer wrote:
religion = belief. that's it...

what about the people that believe theres an alien god or some shit?

what about the europeans (fuck... romans?) that believed in titans, and other gods and shit


I would go further and say that not all beliefs are equal, that some are pretty damn outrageous while other beliefs are reasonable.


What? That's absolutely ridiculous. Believeing in the Christian God is just as ridiculous as believing in the Flying Spaghetti Monster, why is one more outrageous than the other? Are you sure you're not biased?

On topic:
Do we know if a certain sect of Christians are already aware of this wife of God?

On March 23 2011 12:12 0neder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2011 11:58 Jerubaal wrote:
To quote Ratzinger, why is this age obsessed with finding religion through history?

To quote myself, why is this age obsessed with refuting others' religious beliefs?

Why is everyone so religiously secular these days? =)

On a side note, I'm Mormon, and we have always believed God has a wife. Why would he set up some arbitrary sociality for his children if it's not what he himself has attained in his state of perfection and happiness? His goal is for us to become like him, just like any parent(s). Most couples who live their religious beliefs would say that is the pinnacle of fulfillment for them and adds a new level of depth, closeness, and love to their relationship with each other and with God.

Also, we believe that anyone who lives the Gospel can eventually become an exhalted person (through the Atonement) like God is, so this idea is not strange to us. Any parent wants their kid to grow up and share in their wisdom and happiness.



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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45973 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-23 03:51:53
March 23 2011 03:51 GMT
#48
On March 23 2011 12:41 101toss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2011 12:39 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On March 23 2011 12:24 Gatsbi wrote:
On March 23 2011 12:20 mowglie wrote:
On March 23 2011 12:17 Keitzer wrote:
religion = belief. that's it...

what about the people that believe theres an alien god or some shit?

what about the europeans (fuck... romans?) that believed in titans, and other gods and shit


I would go further and say that not all beliefs are equal, that some are pretty damn outrageous while other beliefs are reasonable.


What? That's absolutely ridiculous. Believeing in the Christian God is just as ridiculous as believing in the Flying Spaghetti Monster, why is one more outrageous than the other? Are you sure you're not biased?

On topic:
Do we know if a certain sect of Christians are already aware of this wife of God?

Show nested quote +
On March 23 2011 12:12 0neder wrote:
On March 23 2011 11:58 Jerubaal wrote:
To quote Ratzinger, why is this age obsessed with finding religion through history?

To quote myself, why is this age obsessed with refuting others' religious beliefs?

Why is everyone so religiously secular these days? =)

On a side note, I'm Mormon, and we have always believed God has a wife. Why would he set up some arbitrary sociality for his children if it's not what he himself has attained in his state of perfection and happiness? His goal is for us to become like him, just like any parent(s). Most couples who live their religious beliefs would say that is the pinnacle of fulfillment for them and adds a new level of depth, closeness, and love to their relationship with each other and with God.

Also, we believe that anyone who lives the Gospel can eventually become an exhalted person (through the Atonement) like God is, so this idea is not strange to us. Any parent wants their kid to grow up and share in their wisdom and happiness.



Ah, cool cool. Thanks for the info, 0neder (and for showing me it when I missed it, 101toss)
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Pigsquirrel
Profile Joined August 2009
United States615 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-23 04:01:24
March 23 2011 03:55 GMT
#49
The way I view it there are 2 ways too look at religion:
Faith: Believe whatever the fuck you want to and as long as it doesn't interfere with me, I don't care.
History of Religion: What did people believe in the past?

This is an example of the latter, but people keep trying to tie it to the former to say UR RELIGION IS BOGUS LOLOL!!!1!

Elaboration: The research turns up that ancient Israelites believed in a God with a wife. In the article, OP, thread, and even title, it draws the conclusion, or at least eludes to, that the God in modern Christianity, Judaism, and Islam has a wife, and that the followers of those religions were just wrong with what they believed.
MoltkeWarding
Profile Joined November 2003
5195 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-23 04:01:23
March 23 2011 03:58 GMT
#50
Any understanding can liberate you from fear of the uncertain and to rely on sources you would never trust otherwise will only lead to a life with split meanings.


Exactly. Except you see the irony. If this axiom is true, it is unusable for life.

By one little change from a definite article (the understanding) to an indefinite article (an understanding, any understanding) what you are doing is encouraging split meanings.
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-23 04:04:44
March 23 2011 04:03 GMT
#51
On March 23 2011 12:40 MoltkeWarding wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2011 12:15 mowglie wrote:
I don't think we should jump to conclusion based on the work of this one theologian alone. Is this person's work peer reviewed by other secular and non-secular theologians? Or are we seeking information that supports our view to bash religion?

I quote one person's comment from that link.

"The article is misleading. The ancient isarelites did indeed frequently pray to foreign Gods and godesses, and in every place in the Bible where they have done so, it has been called an abomination, that Asherah was an adopted Canaanite goddess, and that kings and rulers who worshipped such did evil in the sight of the Lord. The prophets of Asherah were central to the story of the face-off between Elijah and the Canaanites told in 1 Kings 18. The fact that archeologists find inscriptions to Asherah does not indicate that she was "erased" from the Theology, or that she was once main-stream Judaism. Anyone who has actually studied the old testament, particularly Samuel/Chronicles/Kings knows that this is indicative of the very falling-away and heresies that are documented in these texts."


People need to read this comment before posting further. Also, the mate of Asherah was not the orthodox Jewish God, but Baal, his Caanite counterpart. For those infidels who did worship Baal as God, it's obvious that you can interpret Asherah as being the wife of "God," but this does not mean the biblical God.

Moltke, do you think 0nder's post kinda just shows his utter misunderstanding or ignorance of how the Trinity has been formulated in the past and that he engages in a far too blatant anthropomorphism of God? I haven't studied Mormonism at all but whenever I've come across some Mormon doctrines I just feel as if it is entirely disconnected with Christian tradition.
Tomken
Profile Joined January 2010
Norway1144 Posts
March 23 2011 04:06 GMT
#52
Soooo "let's rewrite the bible and make moneyyyyyy!!"

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Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
March 23 2011 04:06 GMT
#53
On March 23 2011 12:40 MoltkeWarding wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2011 12:15 mowglie wrote:
I don't think we should jump to conclusion based on the work of this one theologian alone. Is this person's work peer reviewed by other secular and non-secular theologians? Or are we seeking information that supports our view to bash religion?

I quote one person's comment from that link.

"The article is misleading. The ancient isarelites did indeed frequently pray to foreign Gods and godesses, and in every place in the Bible where they have done so, it has been called an abomination, that Asherah was an adopted Canaanite goddess, and that kings and rulers who worshipped such did evil in the sight of the Lord. The prophets of Asherah were central to the story of the face-off between Elijah and the Canaanites told in 1 Kings 18. The fact that archeologists find inscriptions to Asherah does not indicate that she was "erased" from the Theology, or that she was once main-stream Judaism. Anyone who has actually studied the old testament, particularly Samuel/Chronicles/Kings knows that this is indicative of the very falling-away and heresies that are documented in these texts."


People need to read this comment before posting further. Also, the mate of Asherah was not the orthodox Jewish God, but Baal, his Caanite counterpart. For those infidels who did worship Baal as God, it's obvious that you can interpret Asherah as being the wife of "God," but this does not mean the biblical God.


I would not be surprised if there were a Semitic religion where Asherah was seen as the wife of Ba'al, but Asherah is usually identified as the wife of a creator god who is simply called "El" and is distinct from Ba'al.
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
nemY
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States3119 Posts
March 23 2011 04:13 GMT
#54
Eh... it makes sense I guess. If we see God as being male and as having created us in his image, what image would he create women out of? Duh his wife's!

If you see God as being gender neutral than why bother creating sexes to begin with? That certainly isn't in androgynous' God's image than... is it?

Doubt this will have any long term effects on organized religion what-so-ever.

DISCLAIMER I'm no theologist.

oldgregg
Profile Joined February 2011
New Zealand1176 Posts
March 23 2011 04:27 GMT
#55
Asherah -- known across the ancient Near East by various other names, such as Astarte and Istar -- was "an important deity, one who was both mighty and nurturing," Wright continued
istar kinda sounds like easter... so asherah could be the mother goddess in the pagan religions that easter is based on
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GypsyBeast
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada630 Posts
March 23 2011 04:29 GMT
#56
man i beat gods wife was banging. prolly the biggest smoke show in town

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Trobot
Profile Joined August 2010
United States125 Posts
March 23 2011 04:29 GMT
#57
Devout Methodist here, and I view this as no biggie. Modern Christians have the Trinity of three-Gods-in-One, and Yahweh/Jehovah/what-have-you has always been presented as either not having a gender or as hermaphroditic. Seems to me that the ancient Jews just had a dual divinity and worshiped two Gods in one. It's not like they had separate temples or anything.
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koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
March 23 2011 04:31 GMT
#58
The doctrine of the Trinity is not three-Gods-in-One.
SwiftSpear
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada355 Posts
March 23 2011 04:38 GMT
#59
Ashera isn't edited out of the bible. The bible states outright that Ashera was worshiped in the temple of God, it also attributes that "sin" to the destruction of the Jewish kingdom.
MoltkeWarding
Profile Joined November 2003
5195 Posts
March 23 2011 04:46 GMT
#60
On March 23 2011 13:03 koreasilver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2011 12:40 MoltkeWarding wrote:
On March 23 2011 12:15 mowglie wrote:
I don't think we should jump to conclusion based on the work of this one theologian alone. Is this person's work peer reviewed by other secular and non-secular theologians? Or are we seeking information that supports our view to bash religion?

I quote one person's comment from that link.

"The article is misleading. The ancient isarelites did indeed frequently pray to foreign Gods and godesses, and in every place in the Bible where they have done so, it has been called an abomination, that Asherah was an adopted Canaanite goddess, and that kings and rulers who worshipped such did evil in the sight of the Lord. The prophets of Asherah were central to the story of the face-off between Elijah and the Canaanites told in 1 Kings 18. The fact that archeologists find inscriptions to Asherah does not indicate that she was "erased" from the Theology, or that she was once main-stream Judaism. Anyone who has actually studied the old testament, particularly Samuel/Chronicles/Kings knows that this is indicative of the very falling-away and heresies that are documented in these texts."


People need to read this comment before posting further. Also, the mate of Asherah was not the orthodox Jewish God, but Baal, his Caanite counterpart. For those infidels who did worship Baal as God, it's obvious that you can interpret Asherah as being the wife of "God," but this does not mean the biblical God.

Moltke, do you think 0nder's post kinda just shows his utter misunderstanding or ignorance of how the Trinity has been formulated in the past and that he engages in a far too blatant anthropomorphism of God? I haven't studied Mormonism at all but whenever I've come across some Mormon doctrines I just feel as if it is entirely disconnected with Christian tradition.


Mormons don't believe in the Trinity, and don't have any use for it in their theology.

The fundamental belief of Mormonism is that an ancient group of Israelites came to the Americas thousands of years ago, establishing a civilization in the Southern part of our continent. When Jesus was incarnated in Israel, he was simultaneously incarnated to this offshoot community of Jews in America, whence Christianity was established simultaneously in America and Judea. This civilization was eventually destroyed, but in 1820 an angel spoke to Joseph Smith, a boy from upstate New York, and instructed him to go dig in the wilderness (like Timon of Athens) and there he found metal plates containing the scripture of this ancient American Christian civilization. Through the inspiration of God, he translated this scripture into English and published it as the book of Mormon.

That is the basis of the Mormon religion, as far as I understand it. If that sounds disconnected with Christian tradition to you, you're welcome to raise that point with their church. Otherwise, Mormonism exhibits traits fairly typical of American Christians: clean living, democratic organization, scriptural infallibility, direct individual communication with God, the near-certainty of salvation, and so on. I was also told by Mormon missionaries that even in the worst case, damnation does not mean eternal despair, but merely going to a third-rate heaven, since God loves all his children. I don't know if that's canonical, but Mormons are so cheerful in general, it may actually be part of their theology.
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