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MangoTango
United States3670 Posts
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thoradycus
Malaysia3262 Posts
On March 23 2011 23:56 Slow Motion wrote: Isn't the whole point of her argument and the article that the Bible was edited to exclude the evidence she found that ancient Israelites worshiped a Goddess? I dont know but this website http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/god_have_a_wife.html says that the Bible didnt hide the fact that Isrealites worshipped this goddess. | ||
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thoradycus
Malaysia3262 Posts
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KameZerg
Sweden1777 Posts
On March 23 2011 23:40 heroyi wrote: So...if we have sex...then we are doing incest...which is a taboo... EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW If you have sex with a fish that is incest to, Were "related" to all life on the planet, if you feel like looking that far behind  | ||
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Krikkitone
United States1451 Posts
On March 23 2011 23:56 Slow Motion wrote: Isn't the whole point of her argument and the article that the Bible was edited to exclude the evidence she found that ancient Israelites worshiped a Goddess? Um, the Bible SAYS ancient Israelites worshipped a goddess (along with other gods) and God condemned them for it. Quite frankly if they were trying to edit that out of the Bible, they would have to cut out everything after the Israelites left Egypt. (every other chapter the Israelites are worshipping false gods... and God is sending plagues/invaders to deal with it.. and then they go back to worshipping him.. and then the next chapter begins) | ||
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sharkeyanti
United States1273 Posts
On March 23 2011 23:58 MangoTango wrote: Wait, what? I thought God was ambiguously/non-sexed. How can a such a being have a wife of distinctly female sex? The Hebrew god YHWH is specifically referred to as a he. God is many things to many people, so that idea of ambiguity could just be one interpretation. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46537 Posts
On March 23 2011 23:57 Lennon wrote: It's weird that you're an atheist and interested in discussing religion. I too enjoy looking at the evolution of man's understanding of the world. I'm an atheist; that doesn't mean I don't enjoy doing research on non-atheist stuff. I play tennis. Doesn't mean I can't talk about basketball Obviously, religion has played a huge part in the development of different parts of the world- for better or for worse. It influences people immensely. Therefore, it could be a good topic of discussion, if one is interested in looking at the growth of societies and history in general. Our individual religious (or non-religious) identities don't really matter, do they? | ||
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Jswizzy
United States791 Posts
On March 23 2011 23:58 MangoTango wrote: Wait, what? I thought God was ambiguously/non-sexed. How can a such a being have a wife of distinctly female sex? Did you miss the part were God made man in his image? The guy rests, eats, enjoys smelling sacrificial meats, wrestles with Israel, his son's marry humans. It's pretty clear that the Bible portray's El and Yahweh as having the form of men. 2 Timothy even goes as far as to say that women are inferior because only man is made in Gods image. | ||
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Maenander
Germany4927 Posts
On March 23 2011 23:58 MangoTango wrote: Wait, what? I thought God was ambiguously/non-sexed. How can a such a being have a wife of distinctly female sex? The idea of the omnipotent god probably evolved through the ages. It's not like one guy suddenly invented god, the image of god changed constantly. At one time it was probably distinctively male. While polytheism seems ridiculous to us now, it was more honest in a way, since it was a clear projection of humaneness toward a higher plane of existence to explain the world. The gods had obvious human qualities. The omnipotent, omniscient being on the other hand is a much more robust concept, and fooled great thinkers for centuries. The less evolved polytheism could never have done that. | ||
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Keitzer
United States2509 Posts
On March 23 2011 12:20 mowglie wrote: I would go further and say that not all beliefs are equal, that some are pretty damn outrageous while other beliefs are reasonable. I said that because me being a non-religion kinda guy think that each religion is taken from perspective.... From the perspective of a Christian, sure alien god is crazy... But from Alien god perspective, is Christian crazy/outrageous? So basically, the op noted how the bible is being interpreted and I commented how it doesn't really matter what you believe as most of it is belief. And that's it. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On March 23 2011 21:46 Rashid wrote: Gods don't have wives or genders. There is absolutely no point of an omnipotent and omniscient being to have genders or be sexually attracted to another; because gender and sex are just biological mechanisms that evolved through the ages which enables us lesser creatures to propagate as a species. So god is an unknowable, totally transcendent being, yet you are able to determine whether or not it has a sex? Sounds kinda silly to me :p | ||
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Jswizzy
United States791 Posts
On March 24 2011 00:12 Mohdoo wrote: So god is an unknowable, totally transcendent being, yet you are able to determine whether or not it has a sex? Sounds kinda silly to me :p He is ignoring that fact that B'nai HaElohim did have sex and children. | ||
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Slow Motion
United States6960 Posts
On March 24 2011 00:05 Krikkitone wrote: Um, the Bible SAYS ancient Israelites worshipped a goddess (along with other gods) and God condemned them for it. Quite frankly if they were trying to edit that out of the Bible, they would have to cut out everything after the Israelites left Egypt. (every other chapter the Israelites are worshipping false gods... and God is sending plagues/invaders to deal with it.. and then they go back to worshipping him.. and then the next chapter begins) But I think the argument in the article is that they didn't just worship some random goddess outside of Yahweh, but that they believed that Yahweh and this particular goddess were a pair and worshiped them as such. I see a lot of reason to edit that out if the Bible is trying to espouse a monotheistic and male-centric (back then) religion. | ||
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danl9rm
United States3111 Posts
On March 23 2011 23:56 Slow Motion wrote: Isn't the whole point of her argument and the article that the Bible was edited to exclude the evidence she found that ancient Israelites worshiped a Goddess? That's my point. If the Bible was edited to exclude "the evidence" that ancient Israelites worshiped a goddess, then why does the Bible say that ancient Israelites worshiped a goddess?! It's just plan insanity what people come up with. | ||
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danl9rm
United States3111 Posts
On March 24 2011 00:15 Slow Motion wrote: But I think the argument in the article is that they didn't just worship some random goddess outside of Yahweh, but that they believed that Yahweh and this particular goddess were a pair and worshiped them as such. I see a lot of reason to edit that out if the Bible is trying to espouse a monotheistic and male-centric (back then) religion. You're now delving into the world of literary criticism. This is evidence for the historicity of the Bible. | ||
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Slow Motion
United States6960 Posts
On March 24 2011 00:22 danl9rm wrote: You're now delving into the world of literary criticism. This is evidence for the historicity of the Bible. I was just responding to the other point earlier that there was no motive to edit the Bible. And since the Bible was written by people, I think it's relevant to discuss the writing of it, and if there were choices to leave things out in the writing. | ||
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JamesJohansen
United States213 Posts
Personally, I think the female character unearthed is not a deity but is instead some sort of "lesser spiritual being" which most scholars know are very present in early abrahamic texts (there are many strange beliefs pertaining to demonology and the study of spirits). Saying that "God had a wife" is this scientist making bullshit conclusions so they can vilify the "evil male chauvinists", and being an attention whore | ||
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popzags
Poland604 Posts
On March 24 2011 00:04 thoradycus wrote: nvm I find this comment... accurate. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46537 Posts
On March 23 2011 21:46 Rashid wrote: Gods don't have wives or genders. There is absolutely no point of an omnipotent and omniscient being to have genders or be sexually attracted to another; because gender and sex are just biological mechanisms that evolved through the ages which enables us lesser creatures to propagate as a species. In Greek mythology, the gods certainly had genders... and they copulated with humans (and nymphs and all other sorts of creatures) on a regular basis. Demigods were regularly formed from this process. Hercules, for instance, was Zeus's son... but Hercules's mother was Alcmena, a human. So it's not really a stretch to think that gods can't marry non-gods, if some mythologies had them screwing around all the time. I don't think there's a universal religious law that says a god can't marry a non-god, anyway. Keep in mind that we're talking about faith-based traditions, allegories, and myths. They don't have to abide by evolutionary mechanisms or actual scientific facts if they don't want to. I think we're axiomatically allowing people to be born from dirt, faeries to actually exist (and to copulate with gods of water and deities who throw thunderbolts), and anything else that's supernatural. If gods exist, then they can surely do whatever the heck they want We're not questioning their existence in this thread, or the scientific/ logical validity of it all. | ||
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Jameser
Sweden951 Posts
On March 24 2011 00:30 JamesJohansen wrote: I think people have to be careful about articles like this. Religeon is such a hotbutton issue that articles like this are quickly jumped on and supported or decried despite being somewhat sensationalist and lacking in firm evidence. Personally, I think the female character unearthed is not a deity but is instead some sort of "lesser spiritual being" which most scholars know are very present in early abrahamic texts (there are many strange beliefs pertaining to demonology and the study of spirits). Saying that "God had a wife" is this scientist being an attention whore And as we all know, attention whores are the worst kind of whores. also, clearly, your on-the-spot, completely fabricated from conjecture, scenario that explains the existance of an unaccounted for female character in the bible is worth AT LEAST as much as the investigation and publication of an actual scientist | ||
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