An owl that was viciously kicked by professional soccer player Luis Moreno during a Colombian first division game died early Tuesday as a result of the brutal attack that has outraged animal rights activists.
With 20 minutes remaining in Sunday's game between Junior de Barranquilla and visiting side Deportivo Perreira, Moreno kicked the home team's mascot that had accidentally been hit by the match ball after wandering onto the field.
Teammates and opponents looked in disbelief while the Deportivo Perreira defender violently punted the stunned, helpless owl – one of many that live on the roof of Barranquilla Metropolitan Stadium and fly over the pitch before games - out of bounds. Infuriated fans showered Moreno with insults, chanting "killer, killer, killer."
Despite showing signs of improvement as late as Monday night, the bird "went into a state of shock and died," attending veterinarian Camilo Tapia told the local press, Triunfo reported.
According to Radio Caracol of Colombia, the exact cause of death was capture myopathy, which develops in animals that are subjected to extreme physical conditions, such as exertion, struggle and stress.
Animal cruelty laws in Colombia can punish offenders with up to three months in jail, which is the sentence many are calling for Moreno to receive. Local activists are also urging league officials to permanently expel Moreno - who is a native of Panama - from Colombian football.
"We demand that Dimayor and Deportivo Perreira immediately sever ties with this player. No excuse is enough, it's an act that has no justification whatsoever," Marcela Ramirez, president of Colombia's Society for the Protection of Animals, told Radio Caracol.
Aware that he's treading on thin ice, Moreno is apologizing to anyone that will listen to him and now claims he was actually trying to help the owl.
"It wasn't my intention to hit the animal. What I tried to do was wake it up so it could fly," Moreno said, according to Reuters.
Oh man, I heard this on the radio this morning...unbelievable lol
While this was a terrible and cruel act, I do not agree with the three-month jail sentence or the permanent expulsion calls.
Edit: okay, the attempts at apology are pitiful...something should happen to Moreno (though not the aforementioned more extreme calls) for punishment. Poor owl I don't follow football/soccer, but was that a barn owl or something, and how did it randomly wander on? In the video, the shape of the owl suddenly makes itself apparent, whereupon the owl is hit. >n<
omfg, a kick from a professional soccer player in the face of the owl. holy crap that was vicious. At first i was like, how does a bird die to a ball... but DAYUM.
Edit: They even stopped the game for the owl. Then he comes along, and kicks the owl off the field... It's a pretty beautiful owl too.
Sad story, not really much more to say though... Edit: Sure, we can get mad at Moreno for being an idiot, but that's probably as far as the discussion can go.
To be honest it looked like he kicked it about as hard as you would kick the ball to get it off the field, not too hard... but of course he could have always just picked it up instead of being a dumbass
That was extremely stupid, but watching the video it really didn't look like he was trying to hurt it... It really may be a case of the guy being absent minded. I'm all for punishment, just I could see a lack of intent there.
His lame excuse will probably make things worse for him. Saying something to the effect of "sorry, I got frustrated and used poor judgment" would have been better.
Sending him to jail seems extreme... a fine would be more appropriate imo.
Like someone else said it was just like he was kicking a spare soccer ball off to the side.... acceptable for a spare soccer ball... unacceptable for a living animal.
And agree with Intrigue... embarrassing even to read what he supposedly said.
Why can't anyone be fucking objective. Yes he is bad, but after reading the article in the OP it's clear whoever wrote that is an idiot too.
He did not "violently punt" the owl, though what he did was still very bad. I'd describe it more as a firm kick but it wasn't exactly violent.
edit: His idiotic excuse is almost worst than the act itself. He should've manned up and said he didn't think about what he was doing and was too stupid to see the owl as a living thing.
really its causing this big of a deal? when u watch it he did not 'vicously kick the owl'. it was hit hte ball he was just kicking it to get it off the playing field so they could continue playing. Yes he shouldnt have kicked it but its not like he wound up and actually hit it hard it was a slight kick. No one complained when Rand Johnson blew up a bird, this really isnt a big deal and nothing should happen because of it
In another video, the owl was on the field and was hit by a pass by one of the teams. The ref called time out because the owl was hit by the ball at first, and what you see is what happened after.
edit here is what happened earlier
To me, it looked more like he wanted to kick it off the pitch, and where that owl was hit, that's a pretty far flight. It's not just the kick, but the landing most likely injured the owl too.
Its funny does he expected people to clap at him for doing that? that guy went straight and without even thinking twice kicked a living animal in national tv.
You know what's funny? A player whom used to play for the opposing team (Junior de Barranquilla) once shot a fan to death because he insulted him. He payed the bail and was free less than a year later and he continued playing professional soccer with minimum outrage.
It's ridiculous how this guy is getting so much shit on an international lever for lifting an old owl with his foot and having the owl die later, most likely due to the stress of captivity. Makes you wonder how much is human life worth, especially here.
On March 02 2011 13:21 Phelski wrote: really its causing this big of a deal? when u watch it he did not 'vicously kick the owl'. it was hit hte ball he was just kicking it to get it off the playing field so they could continue playing. Yes he shouldnt have kicked it but its not like he wound up and actually hit it hard it was a slight kick. No one complained when Rand Johnson blew up a bird, this really isnt a big deal and nothing should happen because of it
The pitching accident was just that... an accident. He didn't aim for the bird. Nobody should be mad that the owl accidentally got hit by the ball.
But going up to the owl and intentionally kicking it is different. It should not be ignored.
On March 02 2011 13:21 Phelski wrote: No one complained when Rand Johnson blew up a bird, this really isnt a big deal and nothing should happen because of it
Yeah, because these situation are comparable. No wait, you're being stupid. Randy Johnson hitting the bird was a total accident. This was clearly not.
edit: Micronesia damn you for stating the obvious before me.
I think the punishments for any animal cruelty are insane large. Soon there will be plant rights or whatever for riping off leaves for plants. Yes they have a brain and they can think, but I just don't agree with it.
It's mostly the animal extremist that suggest these laws and nobody cares enough to argue that these rules are bad so we get these insane jail time for it...
Edit: I mean sure, it wasn't a nice thing to do, but how different is it from killing a caterpillar?
3 months in jail is not a big deal. Something is seriously wrong with you if you think that kicking a helpless animal is okey. He shouldent be kicked from playing soccer but jail time seems fair.
Actually people first off the owl did not die from the kick he suffered a fractured wing probably from the ball not the kick the kick was actually light and the owl flew most of the way off the field. It did die after but probably wasn't from the kick more or less the fracture and the human contact.
edit: doesn't excuse the guy but it wasn't as brutal as this article makes it.
If I had to guess I'd say the guy thought he was scooping up and flinging the bird off the field as opposed to kicking it and forgot that he's a soccer player with powerful kicks and that it was an injured animal. I find it sort of hard to believe that anybody would intentionally do what is being suggested, and the motion of his leg is really the kind of motion you make when you're trying to make light contact but put a lot of momentum into the target after contact. But it was still irresponsible.
On March 02 2011 13:28 McDonalds wrote: If I had to guess I'd say the guy thought he was scooping up and flinging the bird off the field as opposed to kicking it and forgot that he's a soccer player with powerful kicks and that it was an injured animal. I find it sort of hard to believe that anybody would intentionally do what is being suggested, and the motion of his leg is really the kind of motion you make when you're trying to make light contact but put a lot of momentum into the target after contact. But it was still irresponsible.
he said that because he's team was losing he was "hot tempered" or something.
On March 02 2011 13:24 Skillz_Man wrote: Yes they have a brain and they can think, but I just don't agree with it.
I think you're looking at it backwards. As humans it's our intellectual capacity that sets us apart. But they they feel the same pain and emotion as us. For all intents and purposes it is the same thing as a 6'4 275lb football player physically injuring you to the brink of death because you accidentally got in the way of a game somehow. In this context you are no different from any animal because they feel every bit of pain that you would.
Title says "brutally kicked", but that didn't look like a brutal kick to me. Not that it was the correct thing to do, but he just flipped it off the field.
On March 02 2011 13:28 McDonalds wrote: If I had to guess I'd say the guy thought he was scooping up and flinging the bird off the field as opposed to kicking it and forgot that he's a soccer player with powerful kicks and that it was an injured animal. I find it sort of hard to believe that anybody would intentionally do what is being suggested, and the motion of his leg is really the kind of motion you make when you're trying to make light contact but put a lot of momentum into the target after contact. But it was still irresponsible.
Yeah its hard to believe usually, but you know, the guy who kicked the owl had an attacking advantage but was denied because of the owl. So maybe, he might have been pissed off by the owl and lost his temper at that moment.
On March 02 2011 13:24 Zerokaiser wrote: "It wasn't my intention to hit the animal. What I tried to do was wake it up so it could fly."
People who are that boldly a douchebag deserve to be put in jail for 3 months whether they kicked a fucking owl or not.
Douchebaggery, however, is not a crime^^ Fine him, absolutely. Community service. Sure. Penalty from the team management for a poor showing, yes. Jail? Nah. Having him forced to work for many hours to help animals is better than having him sit in a cell.
When I read the article and saw that it said violently punt I thought the video would be kinda funny, but that was not a violent punt. He deserves a fine but nothing more imo
Jail time for that? Really? Why are people so eager to hand out jail terms for anything and everything? He needs to be fined and banned for several games, but jail? Come on. Hes just an idiot, not a fucking criminal that needs to be secluded to make people (and owls) safe.
Is the guy a complete retard?, sure, but that's true for most professional sports players around here anyway, should he be punished in accordance to the law?, sure, but in a country were people kill each other for the most futile of reasons an owl's life hardly seems relevant.
I know this is just the way news works around the world, but I still find it annoying.
It probably wasn't the best idea to kick a bird, they tend to be very fragile due to hollow bones, but not everyone would think of that. He was frustrated that the owl got in the way of the pass and got it off the field. The owl was probably hurt a lot more by being hit by the ball than being kicked after (although it wouldn't help). Jail time seems a bit harsh, being banned from football is plain retarded. A fine sounds about right, maybe a couple of hundered dollars (or equivalent).
On March 02 2011 13:24 Zerokaiser wrote: "It wasn't my intention to hit the animal. What I tried to do was wake it up so it could fly."
People who are that boldly a douchebag deserve to be put in jail for 3 months whether they kicked a fucking owl or not.
Douchebaggery, however, is not a crime^^ Fine him, absolutely. Community service. Sure. Penalty from the team management for a poor showing, yes. Jail? Nah. Having him forced to work for many hours to help animals is better than having him sit in a cell.
There's a highly advanced alien race somewhere that has criminalized social antagonism.
Not that they'd have to, being highly advanced and all.
On March 02 2011 13:33 Manifesto7 wrote: Title says "brutally kicked", but that didn't look like a brutal kick to me. Not that it was the correct thing to do, but he just flipped it off the field.
Watching that video and seeing his response infuriates me to no end. He had zero concern for the owl that wasn't even close to dying and just kicked it like a soccer ball to get it off the field. The owl wasn't even right next to the line, it would've had to flown like 20ft to get out of bounds, any creature getting kicked that hard is going to probably die if they were injured or not.
I completely agree with the animal rights people and what they want. He'd def get a sucker punch to the back of the head from me if I saw him.
On March 02 2011 13:22 Andross wrote: You know what's funny? A player whom used to play for the opposing team (Junior de Barranquilla) once shot a fan to death because he insulted him. He payed the bail and was free less than a year later and he continued playing professional soccer with minimum outrage.
It's ridiculous how this guy is getting so much shit on an international lever for lifting an old owl with his foot and having the owl die later, most likely due to the stress of captivity. Makes you wonder how much is human life worth, especially here.
Wow this absolutely ridiculous if its true. I dont like seeing animals getting hurt either, but it puzzles me when people put animals lives above humans or have outrageous double standards like above.
That kick wasn't actually a strong kick at all, its the same motion you would use to lift a ball, its very soft and controlled. Like the poster above me said, if that bird fell from the air that should've hurt more than the 'kick' itself. He does deserve a fine for being such a douche though..
It appeared to me as though he scooped his foot under the the owl, and didn't drill it as he would have if he wanted to hurt the bird. He did move fast, but it did not look like a brutal attack to me.
He hardly even kicked the bird. I bet most of the damage was done by getting hit by the ball. Also, the bird was on a soccer field, do you really think it was in a right state of mind? Owls are pretty skittish animals so what was it doing there in the first place? It was most likely already injured or had some brain damage before it. Though that hardly warrants the kick.
On March 02 2011 13:33 Manifesto7 wrote: Title says "brutally kicked", but that didn't look like a brutal kick to me. Not that it was the correct thing to do, but he just flipped it off the field.
He kicked the bird hard enough to kill it. Sounds brutal to me.
On March 02 2011 13:33 Manifesto7 wrote: Title says "brutally kicked", but that didn't look like a brutal kick to me. Not that it was the correct thing to do, but he just flipped it off the field.
ROFL flipped yeah ok
left leg came swinging man
You can't even see his leg properly in the video. It looks more like he scooped it with his foot than kicked it. That video is inconclusive at best (in terms of 'how' he kicked it).
Not saying he didn't do it or that it was the right move, just that that video specifically doesn't really show much.
On March 02 2011 13:33 Manifesto7 wrote: Title says "brutally kicked", but that didn't look like a brutal kick to me. Not that it was the correct thing to do, but he just flipped it off the field.
OK. The owl *was* moving after it was hit by the ball... then that kick... wow.
The guy may seriously face some jail time. Hopefully he won't be - it's probably better to just fine him. He is a soccer player so he should have plenty of money to go around.
On March 02 2011 13:22 Andross wrote: You know what's funny? A player whom used to play for the opposing team (Junior de Barranquilla) once shot a fan to death because he insulted him. He payed the bail and was free less than a year later and he continued playing professional soccer with minimum outrage.
It's ridiculous how this guy is getting so much shit on an international lever for lifting an old owl with his foot and having the owl die later, most likely due to the stress of captivity. Makes you wonder how much is human life worth, especially here.
Is it really right to give a crap about the owl if people in the same country can get out of jail for murdering someone over an insult by paying some money?
For people doubting how strong that kick is (Manifesto), the kick lasted barely a frame on camera, and his leg came forward with quite a springy, pendulum motion.
Stand up in the middle of your room and emulate that kick, then come back and say it wouldn't seriously hurt a small animal.
On March 02 2011 13:33 Manifesto7 wrote: Title says "brutally kicked", but that didn't look like a brutal kick to me. Not that it was the correct thing to do, but he just flipped it off the field.
ROFL flipped yeah ok
left leg came swinging man
Stop with this bs. He didn't even kick it, he tossed it off the field. I don't know if you played soccer before but this is not a kick, this is how you get the ball up in the air if you mess around with friends who stand right near you.
I think if I was playing soccer and some crow fell on the field right near me I would do the same. I was taught to never touch a bird, especially if it's a predator. He did wrong but he had no intention to kill it.
This thread is hilarious in it's own way, how can something like this get so much publicity and get so many people angry at it when there are close to infinity bigger problems in the world that no one pays attention to, even if they are covered. My bet is the fact that you can't be angry at something you can't point your finger at and appoint a criminal.
I'll go scratch my head over this one, mindblowing.
On March 02 2011 13:22 Andross wrote: You know what's funny? A player whom used to play for the opposing team (Junior de Barranquilla) once shot a fan to death because he insulted him. He payed the bail and was free less than a year later and he continued playing professional soccer with minimum outrage.
It's ridiculous how this guy is getting so much shit on an international lever for lifting an old owl with his foot and having the owl die later, most likely due to the stress of captivity. Makes you wonder how much is human life worth, especially here.
Is it really right to give a crap about the owl if people in the same country can get out of jail for murdering someone over an insult by paying some money?
I think its funny how this is getting ignored and people are just going on about the "brutal kicking" that we cant even see.
On March 02 2011 13:33 Manifesto7 wrote: Title says "brutally kicked", but that didn't look like a brutal kick to me. Not that it was the correct thing to do, but he just flipped it off the field.
ROFL flipped yeah ok
left leg came swinging man
Stop with this bs. He didn't even kick it, he tossed it off the field. I don't know if you played soccer before but this is not a kick, this is how you get the ball up in the air if you mess around with friends who stand right near you.
Would you take that kick to the balls? If not, you shouldn't be doing it to an injured bird.
They were nearly 20 feet from the edge of the field. You can't gently kick something 20 feet through the air off the ground.
People seem to feel such a wide variety of emotions about these things. Basically it comes down to how much you believe in human exceptionalism. If you believe humans are all that matter in the world and nature simply exists to support us then you end up with people that just say he should get told not to do it again. If you believe humans are not more important than animals and we all hold important roles in how the world is held together you end up with the long jail sentence+ type views. And many of us fall in the middle.
Silly place for the owl to be. It's not like they're endangered or anything, especially if it was one of "many" that live IN the stadium.
Kick hardly looked brutal, how else would you expect a soccer player to get a foreign object off the field?
It would be ridiculous for this guy to face punishment. I doubt he was intentionally trying to kill the animal. Even so, it's really not a huge loss.
Edit: definitely not newsworthy, anyway. Who cares? I know I shouldn't post if I don't have anything constructive to say, it just pisses me off when people go batshit crazy over the death of a common animal.
Edit 2: And as far as picking it up and moving it off the field goes, do you have any idea how aggressive owls can be when you try to handle them? Not to mention the possibility of getting some disease. I'm not saying he made a good or even remotely intelligent decision. I'm just saying get over it.
On March 02 2011 13:33 Manifesto7 wrote: Title says "brutally kicked", but that didn't look like a brutal kick to me. Not that it was the correct thing to do, but he just flipped it off the field.
Who gives a shit about how he worded the act, that's utterly irrelevant.
That was just soul destroying.... Why anybody would conduct themself in that manner is incomprehensible, completly inexcusable. I mean, it would take what, 5 seconds to pick the owl up, move it to the side-lines and then have someone take it off the pitch while the game can continue.
I wouldn't want to live in a world where an instance like this would considered in the slightest bit acceptable.
I personally feel bad that an owl was killed and I definitely wouldn't have kicked it off the field if I were that guy either, but it's interesting to compare this situation to what happened about a year ago when Manu Ginobili, an NBA player, swatted a bat off the court (the bat lived, but from the video it looks like he could've easily accidentally killed it) during the middle of a game.
People seemed to think that what Ginobili did was awesome and cool, but if you kick an owl off the field you are an animal murderer.
SAN ANTONIO (AP)--The Spurs' Manu Ginobili showed off his quick hands-- capturing a bat.
"That was amazing," teammate Tony Parker said after the San Antonio Spurs beat the Sacramento Kings 113-94 on Saturday night. "The legend continues with Manu. Unbelievable. ... He's always doing crazy stuff."
Late in the first period a bat swooped into the AT&T Center and descended onto the court. Players scattered and officials stopped play. The bat circled and left only to return--briefly.
That's when Ginobili performed his Halloween trick, swatting the bat out of the air with a bare hand. He then carried the creature off the court to thunderous cheers.
As the theme song to "Batman" played, a few Sacramento players applauded, too. A trainer emerged to squirt sanitizer on Ginobilil's hand. "When you can't dunk anymore, you have to find a way to make it into the news," Ginobili said. "So that's what I did. I grabbed a bat. I didn't think it was a big deal."
On the court, Parker led the Spurs with 24 points and seven assists, and Ginobili scored 13 points in a reserve role. He ended the first period with a driving layup at the buzzer. Richard Jefferson added 21 points for San Antonio. San Antonio beat Sacramento 113-94.
The only performance anyone wanted to talk about was Ginobili's.
On March 02 2011 13:33 Manifesto7 wrote: Title says "brutally kicked", but that didn't look like a brutal kick to me. Not that it was the correct thing to do, but he just flipped it off the field.
Who gives a shit about how he worded the act, that's utterly irrelevant.
That was just soul destroying.... Why anybody would conduct themself in that manner is incomprehensible, completly inexcusable. I mean, it would take what, 5 seconds to pick the owl up, move it to the side-lines and then have someone take it off the pitch while the game can continue.
I wouldn't want to live in a world where an instance like this would considered in the slightest bit acceptable.
Their are a lot worse things that happen everyday in this world, if an owl dieing is soul destroying then id hate to see your reactions when you turn the news on everyday.
Anyone who thinks that the kick was "brutal" has clearly never touched a soccer ball before in their lives. That's the exact motion you would use to flip a ball up 3 feet to start juggling. It was certainly stupid and inhumane, but it definitely doesn't deserve this kind of media frenzy. Nobody home makes a great point bringing up Manu as well, that incident was certainly more brutal than this one.
Its a big deal because blowing off animal cruelty in such a public manner tells people its okay to treat animals like that. People defend animals more harshly than people because they cant defend themselves. They cant find lawyers and sue people. It's like when chris brown beat up rianna, it was a big deal cause they are famous and when you let people get away with no consequence it shows that the society will allow that behavior. Personally watching that poor owl get kicked was kind of painful. Soccer is his livelihood so a ban is kind of perhaps too far, but some jail time and a few game bans should show people its not something to do lightly.
On March 02 2011 13:33 Manifesto7 wrote: Title says "brutally kicked", but that didn't look like a brutal kick to me. Not that it was the correct thing to do, but he just flipped it off the field.
ROFL flipped yeah ok
left leg came swinging man
Stop with this bs. He didn't even kick it, he tossed it off the field. I don't know if you played soccer before but this is not a kick, this is how you get the ball up in the air if you mess around with friends who stand right near you.
Would you take that kick to the balls? If not, you shouldn't be doing it to an injured bird.
They were nearly 20 feet from the edge of the field. You can't gently kick something 20 feet through the air off the ground.
Would you like someone reading Tom Sawyer to your balls? If not, you shouldn't be doing it to your kids.
Brilliant idea, try everything on your balls and see if you like it.
On March 02 2011 14:00 Runnin wrote: Anyone who thinks that the kick was "brutal" has clearly never touched a soccer ball before in their lives. That's the exact motion you would use to flip a ball up 3 feet to start juggling. It was certainly stupid and inhumane, but it definitely doesn't deserve this kind of media frenzy. Nobody home makes a great point bringing up Manu as well, that incident was certainly more brutal than this one.
Exactly, the idea that the guy was trying to kill a bird is laughable.
On March 02 2011 13:55 nobodyhome wrote: I personally feel bad that an owl was killed and I definitely wouldn't have kicked it off the field if I were that guy either, but it's interesting to compare this situation to what happened about a year ago when Manu Ginobili, an NBA player, swatted a bat off the court (the bat lived, but from the video it looks like he could've easily accidentally killed it) during the middle of a game.
People seemed to think that what Ginobili did was awesome and cool, but if you kick an owl off the field you are an animal murderer.
SAN ANTONIO (AP)--The Spurs' Manu Ginobili showed off his quick hands-- capturing a bat.
"That was amazing," teammate Tony Parker said after the San Antonio Spurs beat the Sacramento Kings 113-94 on Saturday night. "The legend continues with Manu. Unbelievable. ... He's always doing crazy stuff."
Late in the first period a bat swooped into the AT&T Center and descended onto the court. Players scattered and officials stopped play. The bat circled and left only to return--briefly.
That's when Ginobili performed his Halloween trick, swatting the bat out of the air with a bare hand. He then carried the creature off the court to thunderous cheers.
As the theme song to "Batman" played, a few Sacramento players applauded, too. A trainer emerged to squirt sanitizer on Ginobilil's hand. "When you can't dunk anymore, you have to find a way to make it into the news," Ginobili said. "So that's what I did. I grabbed a bat. I didn't think it was a big deal."
On the court, Parker led the Spurs with 24 points and seven assists, and Ginobili scored 13 points in a reserve role. He ended the first period with a driving layup at the buzzer. Richard Jefferson added 21 points for San Antonio. San Antonio beat Sacramento 113-94.
The only performance anyone wanted to talk about was Ginobili's.
the difference is, one is a rodent, with wings, something you'd call pest control over. the other is of a species that is often on the endangered list.
its like if you spilled kool-aid on a kids crayon drawing on the fridge, or the mona lisa. whats the difference, they're both pictures.
Wow I can't believe how much the players of the other team held their composure. If someone kicked an owl like that and I was there I would have probably punched him in the face right after as my initial reaction. Who cares about getting suspended for punching him, you don't kick an animal like that.
On March 02 2011 14:00 SheerStress wrote: For those saying who cares,
Its a big deal because blowing off animal cruelty in such a public manner tells people its okay to treat animals like that. People defend animals more harshly than people because they cant defend themselves. They cant find lawyers and sue people. It's like when chris brown beat up rianna, it was a big deal cause they are famous and when you let people get away with no consequence it shows that the society will allow that behavior. Personally watching that poor owl get kicked was kind of painful. Soccer is his livelihood so a ban is kind of perhaps too far, but some jail time and a few game bans should show people its not something to do lightly.
What a retard though
Considering this is the same society that let a man who publicly shot and killed someone, pay a fine and continue to play ball. Im pretty sure that guy couldn't defend himself from a gun, and im pretty sure a human being dieing is a pretty big deal to.
If the animal had a lawyer and a family they could pay a bunch of money to it would be okay then? You are just being melodramatic and sensational to defend your point.
On March 02 2011 14:04 Angra wrote: Wow I can't believe how much the players of the other team held their composure. If someone kicked an owl like that and I was there I would have probably punched him in the face right after as my initial reaction. Who cares about getting suspended for punching him, you don't kick an animal like that.
On March 02 2011 14:03 Disarray wrote: the difference is, one is a rodent, with wings, something you'd call pest control over. the other is of a species that is often on the endangered list.
its like if you spilled kool-aid on a kids crayon drawing on the fridge, or the mona lisa. whats the difference, they're both pictures.
Yea man, agreed. It's like running your brand new truck over some drunken bum (wtf who cares) vs killing an Ivy league honor student.
Fucking bats expect they get the same treatment, jeez.
On March 02 2011 13:55 nobodyhome wrote: I personally feel bad that an owl was killed and I definitely wouldn't have kicked it off the field if I were that guy either, but it's interesting to compare this situation to what happened about a year ago when Manu Ginobili, an NBA player, swatted a bat off the court (the bat lived, but from the video it looks like he could've easily accidentally killed it) during the middle of a game.
People seemed to think that what Ginobili did was awesome and cool, but if you kick an owl off the field you are an animal murderer.
SAN ANTONIO (AP)--The Spurs' Manu Ginobili showed off his quick hands-- capturing a bat.
"That was amazing," teammate Tony Parker said after the San Antonio Spurs beat the Sacramento Kings 113-94 on Saturday night. "The legend continues with Manu. Unbelievable. ... He's always doing crazy stuff."
Late in the first period a bat swooped into the AT&T Center and descended onto the court. Players scattered and officials stopped play. The bat circled and left only to return--briefly.
That's when Ginobili performed his Halloween trick, swatting the bat out of the air with a bare hand. He then carried the creature off the court to thunderous cheers.
As the theme song to "Batman" played, a few Sacramento players applauded, too. A trainer emerged to squirt sanitizer on Ginobilil's hand. "When you can't dunk anymore, you have to find a way to make it into the news," Ginobili said. "So that's what I did. I grabbed a bat. I didn't think it was a big deal."
On the court, Parker led the Spurs with 24 points and seven assists, and Ginobili scored 13 points in a reserve role. He ended the first period with a driving layup at the buzzer. Richard Jefferson added 21 points for San Antonio. San Antonio beat Sacramento 113-94.
The only performance anyone wanted to talk about was Ginobili's.
the difference is, one is a rodent, with wings, something you'd call pest control over. the other is of a species that is often on the endangered list.
its like if you spilled kool-aid on a kids crayon drawing on the fridge, or the mona lisa. whats the difference, they're both pictures.
Wait, so your reasoning for the protection of animals is that they're cute? Aren't you discriminating against a fellow mammal that has the right to live? You, sir, are one heartless fiend.
Also, Bats aren't rodents, as they are a member of the order Chiroptera.
On March 02 2011 14:02 arterian wrote: didnt look brutal to me, people are overreacting
The owl was killed. If was killed by an unnecessarily stronger kick, it would change things? The stupidity is astounding.
Indeed it is, someone saying that the player violently punted the bird basically assuming he tried to kill it versus him trying to toss the bird off the field. It's like saying someone accidentally stepping on a baby in a crowded subway is the same as someone who killed a baby out of frustration or something. The stupidity is astounding, well put.
Looked more like a "flip" rather than a "punt" or "brutal kick." It probably woud have been better if he'd just apologized and stopped there. Saying he was helping it fly is truly a *facepalm* moment that he's going to regret.
But it's not that big a deal (relatively speaking) and just sensational mediamaking. Animal cruelty is pretty pervasive behind closed doors, but when you put it on live television in a familiar venue like a soccergame, then suddenly people get inflamed and want to get involved. Then these people will get angry for a day and forget about it the next. Give me a break.
Wtf is with people complaining about his statement? Please tell me what exactly you would say in the same situation?
Was hardly a brutal kick, fuck, I'd bet the hit from the ball hurt it worse then his kick. It did look like he was trying to get it off the field. If he was that focused I could totally see him doing it without thinking just like that.
On March 02 2011 14:02 arterian wrote: didnt look brutal to me, people are overreacting
The owl was killed. If was killed by an unnecessarily stronger kick, it would change things? The stupidity is astounding.
Indeed, someone saying that the player violently punted the bird basically assuming he tried to kill it versus him trying to toss the bird off the field. It's like saying someone accidentally stepping on a baby in crowded subway is the same as someone who killed a baby out of frustration or something. The stupidity is astounding, well put.
Sounds like intent to kill is the issue of contention, not the actual force. It doesn't matter if he kicked hard, it matters if he was kicking to hurt or kill the bird.
It always upsets me when people write off things by saying "this is so small compared to other things that happen in the world". Yes, awful things happen all the time but wrong is still wrong. If you were to extend the logic of a lot of forum posters here we would have to wait for an event worse than the holocaust to actually be upset about something.
I actually laughed really hard... you have to consider that not all cultures value birds so much...maybe hes never seen an owl. people wouldn't be as pissed if someone kicked a pigeon or a crow.
I just pictured him like don't worry guise, i got this! punt!
On March 02 2011 14:02 arterian wrote: didnt look brutal to me, people are overreacting
The owl was killed. If was killed by an unnecessarily stronger kick, it would change things? The stupidity is astounding.
From the OP
According to Radio Caracol of Colombia, the exact cause of death was capture myopathy, which develops in animals that are subjected to extreme physical conditions, such as exertion, struggle and stress.
It's just as likely that the owl was killed from being hit by the ball. It's quite possible that the owl was going to die regardless of what the player did, although no one is denying that it was stupid to do it in the first place.
how do people even try and downplay this because it wasn't technically brutal? The game has stopped, the ball is out of play and this dude still runs up and punts the owl in the face. That's brutal....
The conversation in this thread is astounding lol. He didn't "toss" the bird off the field with his foot. He punted that thing 10+ feet. I am amazed at some of the stupid comments in this thread.
On March 02 2011 14:15 Velocirapture wrote: It always upsets me when people write off things by saying "this is so small compared to other things that happen in the world". Yes, awful things happen all the time but wrong is still wrong. If you were to extend the logic of a lot of forum posters here we would have to wait for an event worse than the holocaust to actually be upset about something.
The problem is how people throw total disregard to things like i dont, know human life being taken and try to champion the idea that animals dieing is a more important thing worry about.
Man shot and killed, oh well, but oh god an owl was kicked, stop the presses. its a completely relevant argument considering the astounding amount of stupid double standards put up in this thread. Post was made about the same exact league a player shot and killed someone and got away with it after dropping some bills, and it was completely ignored.
Owl dies, we get posts like this, ridiculous.
On March 02 2011 14:22 Mjolnir wrote:
Jail, absolutely.
Piece of shit. I fucking hate the callous superiority some people feel toward animals.
Stick that tool in jail, let him know what it's like to be pounded on by something bigger.
To be honest, I found the sight jaw-dropping and odd/strange, similar to: "Omg, why the hell would you do that".
But I don't have this sense of vengeance or the need to incarcerate the man. I think 3-month jail is over the top and not productive. Community service for 3 months sounds better to me including animal shelter help and such.
Well that's a little fucked. A lot of you need to actually read the article. Or at least skim it. The Animal was a mascot for the opposing team. He was a dick. I saw the ball and I thought "Wow, shitty accident." Then the dick goes and kicks the bird. To anyone who says an ass beating for him is extreme, your an asshole. If anyone treated my dog like that they would get hurt, and bad. The same applies to the owl.
I guess I am not the end all be all on moral judgment, but I do heart animals. I'd probably ban him from soccer. Jail time seems fine to me to. There is no reason to be so cruel. Well maybe not the soccer ban, after he serves his jail time he can do whatever he wants. There is no reason to ban him from a career path, jail time should be enough.
On March 02 2011 14:25 Torte de Lini wrote: But I don't have this sense of vengeance or the need to incarcerate the man. I think 3-month jail is over the top and not productive. Community service for 3 months sounds better to me including animal shelter help and such.
If he kicked the helpless owl like that, what makes you think he won't do something twisted to animals in a shelter? I'd rather keep him locked in a jail, safely away from anything animal.
On March 02 2011 14:22 iPood wrote: The conversation in this thread is astounding lol. He didn't "toss" the bird off the field with his foot. He punted that thing 10+ feet. I am amazed at some of the stupid comments in this thread.
People that play soccer already stated this was a flip, yet someone like you comes in raging without actually knowing anything. If I wanted to kill a bird I would kick it and you would see feathers flying everywhere.
This behaviour isnt very suprising, I read about these sociopathic fotball players breaking the law every weak. If its not animal cruelty its, physical abuse or rape, it just seams that the sport attracts these types of people.
On March 02 2011 14:15 Velocirapture wrote: It always upsets me when people write off things by saying "this is so small compared to other things that happen in the world". Yes, awful things happen all the time but wrong is still wrong. If you were to extend the logic of a lot of forum posters here we would have to wait for an event worse than the holocaust to actually be upset about something.
The problem is how people throw total disregard to things like i dont, know human life being taken and try to champion the idea that animals dieing is a more important thing worry about.
Man shot and killed, oh well, but oh god an owl was kicked, stop the presses. its a completely relevant argument considering the astounding amount of stupid double standards put up in this thread. Post was made about the same exact league a player shot and killed someone and got away with it after dropping some bills, and it was completely ignored.
Piece of shit. I fucking hate the callous superiority some people feel toward animals.
Stick that tool in jail, let him know what it's like to be pounded on by something bigger.
I have no problem with keeping things in perspective. Saying tone it down is fine, but saying people's concern is childish and naive is not. Believing that he should have been more careful with an injured animal than to kick it to the side is not some outlandish point of view, in fact it is likely the most rational one.
In the giant scheme of the things in the world it might not be that bad but I don't think the player was thinking of the consequences or the controversy that would arise when he did that. Such a beautiful owl too.
On March 02 2011 14:28 Letall wrote: This behaviour isnt very suprising, I read about these sociopathic fotball players breaking the law every weak. If its not animal cruelty its, physical abuse or rape, it just seams that the sport attracts these types of people.
Made me sirl, thanks. Tbh I am really worried about being raped by a soccer player so I can relate to your concerns here.
On March 02 2011 13:19 Signet wrote: His lame excuse will probably make things worse for him. Saying something to the effect of "sorry, I got frustrated and used poor judgment" would have been better.
Sending him to jail seems extreme... a fine would be more appropriate imo.
Meh i think he deserves it... i hate people who mistreat animals just not right he should get expelled from the soccer leauge
Wow... totally caught me off guard. I was like oh he kicked an owl... wtf?? Then I saw the video and was like oh, he kicked a ball at the owl and it hit it... way to blow it out of proportion
then a guy just walked up and kicked the owl and TOTALLY caught me off guard...
I wouldnt mind him getting some jail time or fines from this but not expelling from soccer, football is very physical sport where you get lot of adrenaline in your blood and it is possible he used more force than his intentions were. But on the other hand i think its likely he just might have vented his frustration to the animal and thats pretty fucked up.
On March 02 2011 14:40 Dhalphir wrote: There is nothing remotely mitigating about the circumstances surrounding this. Maximum jail term and lifelong expulsion from the team. Period.
It honestly does seem like he was trying to wake up the animal. Really not trolling here. The kick didn't look brutal at all, but it looked like he DID kick it a bit too hard.
edit: I just watched the video again and clearly you can see that he pushed the owl with his foot. By the way what the fuck was that owl doing there anyway? Why didn't anyone move it? -_-
Also to those wondering why people get so angry about this compared to a human being killed, it is that this is just senseless violence. There is no reason behind it.
When a person is killed, there is usually a reason for it. he startled a burglar, or attempted to stop a robbery, or the criminal just wanted to take something from him and killed him to do it. Its rare that a human kills another human for no real reason, and when it does happen (serial killers, psychopaths) we get just as upset.
Human brains don't cope well with things we don't understand, and cruelty to helpless animals is one of those things that is just not possible to understand the reasoning behind.
Recently in Australia (I say recently but it was more likely a couple of years) a group of youths captured and burned alive a young kitten. The cat survived, and in a rare case of justice being done appropriately, all of the youths received hefty detention sentences and their parents were billed for the (high) medical costs associated with saving the cat.
he didnt kick the animal. he scooped it away with his foot. perfectly resonable, i wouldnt want to touch it either, who knows what it could be carrying, considering it looked about dead on the pitch.
and even if he did kick it, with all of his might, 3 months of jail? are you kidding me? its an animal...
On March 02 2011 14:28 Letall wrote: This behaviour isnt very suprising, I read about these sociopathic fotball players breaking the law every weak. If its not animal cruelty its, physical abuse or rape, it just seams that the sport attracts these types of people.
This sportsman vilification isn't entirely justified. Yes there are sportsmen that do horrific things, but there are people from every occupation that do it also. The reason that it appears to be more sportsmen is because they are in the spotlight and reading or hearing news about them is interesting. This would not be a story if some random mechanic kicked an owl and kicked it in his yard.
That being said the act was stupid and the soccer player would obviously be sincerely regretting his actions by now. 3 Months prison is too much, but a severe fine or suspension would be justified.
I do not think that kick was hard enough to justify "BRUTAL" but it was not to soft either. I believe the guy when he said that he was only waking it up/getting it off of the field. I bet he thought the owl was already dead and was just removing the body.
On March 02 2011 14:45 Dhalphir wrote: Also to those wondering why people get so angry about this compared to a human being killed, it is that this is just senseless violence. There is no reason behind it.
Pretty sure killing a guy because he didnt like how you played soccer is senseless violence.
You can write gigantic PETA like sensational rants, but if it does not actually defend against the double standard im pointing out in context you are just rambling on and wasting your time.
On March 02 2011 14:48 jello_biafra wrote: I gotta admit, I lol'd.
Don't see what the big deal is though, only an owl.
Well, I would usually agree that it's just an animal, but you can clearly see that the owl was in pain after being hit by the soccer ball. It was a really stupid decision to do that.
Brutal or not, that guy should've either left it for some other dude to transport the owl off field, or used his hands and bring it out of the field GENTLY. He made the wrong decision, hence he should face the consequences, and in this case, most probably 3 months of jail time, and expulsion from the team.
If people say that it's over reacting by putting him in jail, then other people would be kicking owls left and right, thinking that it's fine. Punishment isn't just for that offender himself, it's also for the rest to learn not to make the same damn mistake.
It looked like it was already dead, just a pest on the field. Alot of people in western countries become way too attached to animals. It's like crushing a bug and throwing it away. The guy was probably into the game and not thinking too much about the consequences.
It's insane how these stupid animal rights activists persecute normal people who barely did anything to harm animals and never try to stop poachers or bring attention to that.
On March 02 2011 14:48 jello_biafra wrote: I gotta admit, I lol'd.
Don't see what the big deal is though, only an owl.
Well, I would usually agree that it's just an animal, but you can clearly see that the owl was in pain after being hit by the soccer ball. It was a really stupid decision to do that.
I agree it was stupid and I wouldn't have done it myself but really he's just putting the thing out of its misery.
On March 02 2011 14:52 SpaceTurtle wrote: Brutal or not, that guy should've either left it for some other dude to transport the owl off field, or used his hands and bring it out of the field GENTLY. He made the wrong decision, hence he should face the consequences, and in this case, most probably 3 months of jail time, and expulsion from the team.
If people say that it's over reacting by putting him in jail, then other people would be kicking owls left and right, thinking that it's fine. Punishment isn't just for that offender himself, it's also for the rest to learn not to make the same damn mistake.
Why not punt all owls that come on to sports fields for the rest to learn not to make the same damn mistake? They'll learn eventually- and then there would be no problem.
Seriously you guys are overreatcing so hard it actually makes me sad for this dude. He's getting more backlash than most pedophiles or murderers get on a daily basis. Sure it's just for this 15 minutes of fame that he's being ridiculed, but still. It sucks for him.
I mean, it sucks for the owl too, but whatever it's just a bird
On March 02 2011 13:50 Velocirapture wrote: People seem to feel such a wide variety of emotions about these things. Basically it comes down to how much you believe in human exceptionalism. If you believe humans are all that matter in the world and nature simply exists to support us then you end up with people that just say he should get told not to do it again. If you believe humans are not more important than animals and we all hold important roles in how the world is held together you end up with the long jail sentence+ type views. And many of us fall in the middle.
I'm mostly in agreement with this.
Additionally, though, there is also a social contract/legal constitution angle. Specific to the United States, I don't see how you can construct the concept of animal rights from the Constitution, whereas human rights are specifically guaranteed in our nation's founding documents. Likewise, legal and social theories are based upon the agreements humans enter into upon living in an organized society. Animals, and other life forms, are more pertinent to social contracts as they are a part of the environment in which we live, not as members of society. Indeed, if animals were to be treated as members of society, they would need certain legal rights that are frankly ludicrous to provide them with. Which isn't to say that we should do whatever we want to animals... but rather, that humans must be considered a higher class of life form in order for our social and legal systems to be both sensible and maintain internal consistency.
I think a lot of the logical inconsistency out there on this issue stems from the relative newness of this issue for us as a species. Contrast the soccer player's kicking the owl to this article's description of a factory farm. The latter is vastly more cruel, and yet completely legal.
Female breeding pigs were crammed inside "gestation crates" so small the animals could barely move for virtually their entire lives. The animals engaged in stereotypic behaviors such as biting the bars of crates, indicating poor well-being in the extreme confinement conditions. Some had bitten their bars so incessantly that blood from their mouths coated the fronts of their crates. The breeding pigs also suffered injuries from sharp crate protrusions and open pressure sores that developed from their unyielding confinement.
Likewise, as was mentioned, the bat in San Antonio and the owl in Colombia did not spark the same reaction. Both the bat and the owl are large vertebrates; bats are even mammals. Probably a lot of the difference in reaction stems from how cute the animals are. We kill and eat cows and pigs, but horses and dogs are off limits. (in this country anyway) One we think of as pets - increasingly, as little people - and the other as livestock. Even this is not really consistent; of the examples I gave, pigs are probably the smartest.
For animal rights to become a more serious movement, it has to formulate a logically consistent way of treating all animals fairly.
On March 02 2011 14:15 Velocirapture wrote: It always upsets me when people write off things by saying "this is so small compared to other things that happen in the world". Yes, awful things happen all the time but wrong is still wrong. If you were to extend the logic of a lot of forum posters here we would have to wait for an event worse than the holocaust to actually be upset about something.
The problem is how people throw total disregard to things like i dont, know human life being taken and try to champion the idea that animals dieing is a more important thing worry about.
Man shot and killed, oh well, but oh god an owl was kicked, stop the presses. its a completely relevant argument considering the astounding amount of stupid double standards put up in this thread. Post was made about the same exact league a player shot and killed someone and got away with it after dropping some bills, and it was completely ignored.
Piece of shit. I fucking hate the callous superiority some people feel toward animals.
Stick that tool in jail, let him know what it's like to be pounded on by something bigger.
What you're talking about, i have absolutely no clue. Where the hell did someone say that that owl's life is more valuable than a human being's? Where did anyone say that this is more important than someone being shot? Obviously an owl being brutally kicked in the head and killed is terrible, and obviously a man being shot and killed without justice being served is terrible. You cannot ignore one awful thing simply because an even worse thing happens. Nobody claimed that. The position you're defending is a figment of your imagination.
On March 02 2011 14:45 Dhalphir wrote: Also to those wondering why people get so angry about this compared to a human being killed, it is that this is just senseless violence. There is no reason behind it.
Pretty sure killing a guy because he didnt like how you played soccer is senseless violence.
You can write gigantic PETA like sensational rants, but if it does not actually defend against the double standard im pointing out in context you are just rambling on and wasting your time.
Not applicable to what I was talking about. Killing a guy because you don't like how he played soccer may not be a GOOD reason but its still a reason that humans can understand and so its not as baffling.
but there is literally not even a reason for hurting an animal the way it sometimes happens.
And hell, an animal is a more valuable member of the planet than some of the humans who inhabit it, to be honest. Those kids who attacked the kitten, for example.
Pfff, he hardly kicked it.. If you watch close, it looked like he lifted it with his foot and swept it off the field.. The owl itself appeared to be dieing in the first place..
There is no excuse for treating any living creature in such a manner. He just walked right up and kicked it, and murdered it, because he was angry. The owl did what, flew onto the field? It was deserving of an extremely hard kick and death because it flew onto the field and accidentally got hit by a ball? I played soccer all through high school, soccer players can do serious damage with a kick.
There are certainly laws against animal cruelty, and he just intentionally kicked it.
If he was concerned about helping the bird, he had two options: pick it up and carry it off the field, or if he was worried about contact with the bird, he could have protected it by keeping people away until someone qualified to help the bird arrived. He clearly had no intention of helping the creature.
Can we focus on more important information? There is a ocean of knowledge out there and we learn about a single soccer player kicking a single owl. Animal rights>This Thread
This really pissed me off when I read the article at first...
But based on the video, it really seemed like the player was just an idiot, but was not intentionally trying to hurt the animal. He jogs over leisurely to the owl after the whistle, obviously intending to get the owl off the field. He even slows down right before he gets to the animal, and didn't seem to do it out anger. Then he does a scooping motion with his foot; at least I, and other posters, think so. Wasn't "brutal", at the very least. And finally, after he does it, he kind of just walks casually, not thinking much of it.
So yes, he is an idiot and probably should have just picked it up or not done anything, but I don't see it as something that requires jail time. His apology may need some work... but it's possible it was misinterpreted/translated. Maybe he wasn't trying to "help" the owl, but he was clearly trying to get the game going by getting the owl out of the way.
When you scoop an object, both the feet and object starts off stationary next to each other. It's totally different when the ball hits the owl, the ball was already at it's max speed.
Simple experiment, you can put your hand on a bat when someone swing it, or you can hover your hand and let the guy hit it with the same force, latter bound to be more painful.
However that does not excuse that player's behaviour, he should be fined or do community work for such reckless action, but jail time is way over the top...
pick up an owl? what if the thing was diseased fuck that. People are just humanizing the owl becuase it wasn't ugly with missing feathers if bet if it was a pidgin or seagull no one would give to shits.
On March 02 2011 15:09 3clipse wrote: Fucking scumbag. When I see someone hurt an animal, I'm consumed by a visceral instinct to hit him in the face.
And so what that makes you, instead of hurting animals you hurt people? are people less important do you relate less to people? Can you prove malicious intent, it's not like he ran over there and drop kicked the bird, words like brutal is loaded with connotation.
On March 02 2011 14:56 Theo wrote: It looked like it was already dead, just a pest on the field. Alot of people in western countries become way too attached to animals. It's like crushing a bug and throwing it away. The guy was probably into the game and not thinking too much about the consequences.
It's insane how these stupid animal rights activists persecute normal people who barely did anything to harm animals and never try to stop poachers or bring attention to that.
3 months for this? Unjust.
I always assume people that make such comments are either religious, or massive trolls. Otherwise, I can't explain how someone with a normal IQ could think in such a way ---> amirite?
On March 02 2011 14:56 Theo wrote: It looked like it was already dead, just a pest on the field. Alot of people in western countries become way too attached to animals. It's like crushing a bug and throwing it away. The guy was probably into the game and not thinking too much about the consequences.
It's insane how these stupid animal rights activists persecute normal people who barely did anything to harm animals and never try to stop poachers or bring attention to that.
3 months for this? Unjust.
I always assume people that make such comments are either religious, or massive trolls. Otherwise, I can't explain how someone with a normal IQ could think in such a way ---> amirite?
Well, it does has some sense somewhat, if Owl was replaced as a cockroach, no one would give a shit, but cockroach is still living thing right? If he kicked a snake, people might think he is baller lol!
On March 02 2011 15:10 semantics wrote: pick up an owl? what if the thing was diseased fuck that. People are just humanizing the owl becuase it wasn't ugly with missing feathers if bet if it was a pidgin or seagull no one would give to shits.
On March 02 2011 15:09 3clipse wrote: Fucking scumbag. When I see someone hurt an animal, I'm consumed by a visceral instinct to hit him in the face.
And so what that makes you, instead of hurting animals you hurt people? are people less important? Can you prove malicious intent words like brutal is loaded with connotation.
There was a guy qualified for this already on his way into the field, but the player still kicked it. He said he did it cause he's team is not through a bad period of time.
I'm normally anti conservationist (well, all the "SAVE THE RARE FAIRY SHRIMP SO WE CAN"T BUILD A ROAD) but in this case, what the hell was he thinking. It would even take less effort to NOT kick the bird ^>
On March 02 2011 14:56 Theo wrote: It looked like it was already dead, just a pest on the field. Alot of people in western countries become way too attached to animals. It's like crushing a bug and throwing it away. The guy was probably into the game and not thinking too much about the consequences.
It's insane how these stupid animal rights activists persecute normal people who barely did anything to harm animals and never try to stop poachers or bring attention to that.
3 months for this? Unjust.
I always assume people that make such comments are either religious, or massive trolls. Otherwise, I can't explain how someone with a normal IQ could think in such a way ---> amirite?
I always assume that people that make such comments as this are either full of themselves, or ignorant of the fact that not everyone agrees with them. Otherwise, I can't explain how someone with such a normal IQ, as I can so readily tell by analyzing a single post on the internets, could think in such a way ---> amirite?
Seriously, what did Theo's post have to do with religion? Why did you even bring it up?
On March 02 2011 15:10 semantics wrote: pick up an owl? what if the thing was diseased fuck that. People are just humanizing the owl becuase it wasn't ugly with missing feathers if bet if it was a pidgin or seagull no one would give to shits.
On March 02 2011 15:09 3clipse wrote: Fucking scumbag. When I see someone hurt an animal, I'm consumed by a visceral instinct to hit him in the face.
And so what that makes you, instead of hurting animals you hurt people? are people less important? Can you prove malicious intent words like brutal is loaded with connotation.
There was a guy qualified for this already on his way into the field, but the player still kicked it. He said he did it cause he's team is not through a bad period of time.
not quite sure what the 2nd sentence is... He said he did it to cause the owl to scurry away like most birds that you walk up to and get close to they tend to fly away esp if you touch them. But when birds inhabit a stadium and are around people a lot they don't always go away so easily =p It sounds like the stadium has an owl problem that no one wanted to clean out. Can anyone prove that his kick killed the bird have you ever been hit with a ball that is your size?
On March 02 2011 15:16 Froadac wrote: I'm normally anti conservationist (well, all the "SAVE THE RARE FAIRY SHRIMP SO WE CAN"T BUILD A ROAD) but in this case, what the hell was he thinking. It would even take less effort to NOT kick the bird ^>
He was probably extremely frustrated because his team wasn't doing well. It's understandable that he wants to vent his frustration.
It's pretty safe to say you can disregard future comments from everyone who's made that remark in this thread. There's no rationality behind that whatsoever. The dude flipped the bird with his foot to get it off the field, which is probably instinctive for a soccer player. Granted, the statement he made following the event was dumb, but seriously, it feels like I'm reading teamPETA, not teamliquid. "Brutally kicked." Yeah, ok. I felt the killing intent behind that one.
Firstly, the trauma to the bird was mainly from the ball hitting it. He didn't murder it. Secondly, by no means was it a 'brutal kick'. Incredibly misleading - if you've ever played football or even watched it you know that type of kick is designed to flick the ball into the air. It has very little power.
There was no malice in the action, it was not as if he took a huge run-up or really launched it with his boot. Of course he could have handled it better and the player should be educated about this, but jail time is absurd. I don't see people complaining about the many small insects that perish when players stomp on their earthly homes. This reeks of double standards.
On March 02 2011 13:33 Manifesto7 wrote: Title says "brutally kicked", but that didn't look like a brutal kick to me. Not that it was the correct thing to do, but he just flipped it off the field.
Who gives a shit about how he worded the act, that's utterly irrelevant.
That was just soul destroying.... Why anybody would conduct themself in that manner is incomprehensible, completly inexcusable. I mean, it would take what, 5 seconds to pick the owl up, move it to the side-lines and then have someone take it off the pitch while the game can continue.
I wouldn't want to live in a world where an instance like this would considered in the slightest bit acceptable.
I give a shit about how it was worded, because the headline suggests a malice that was not evident in the video.
PS - a big LOL at all the city kids saying he should have picked it up and carried it off the field. Yeah, pick up a wounded animal. Nothing could go wrong there.
This was brutal and not justified. If I wanted to make a pun I'd say that was a freekick. He totally deserves to be punished. He's a footballer, he just can't understand how wrong it was. As I like to say, "no brain, no pain".
On March 02 2011 15:20 Daozzt wrote: "He should be thrown in jail!"
It's pretty safe to say you can disregard future comments from everyone who's made that remark in this thread. There's no rationality behind that whatsoever. The dude flipped the bird with his foot to get it off the field, which is probably instinctive for a soccer player. Granted, the statement he made following the event was dumb, but seriously, it feels like I'm reading teamPETA, not teamliquid. "Brutally kicked." Yeah, ok. I felt the killing intent behind that one.
You're right. I rewatched the video several times, and there's no way what he did killed the owl and it didn't seem malicious at all. He just wasn't thinking straight. 3 months jail is ridiculously long for someone who made a misjudgement.
On March 02 2011 13:13 Dr. Nick wrote: That was hardly a punt.. I find it hard to see how it managed to kill the owl 'brutality' as the OP described.
Not saying it was right or anything, but the force of the kick didn't seem THAT much..
are you familiar with soccer player shoes?
that fucking dude deserves prision time
Nah he clearly kicked it with the side of his shoe and merely brushed the bird off the field so they could continue their game, tbh that bird shouldn't have been on the field disrupting play, they train all their lives to play this game and some people don't care enough that they let some bird onto the field midgame?! that is ridiculous to me. But whatever, he merely shuffled the bird off like a bottle, certainly wasn't a punt. Also the bird died of capture myopathy, so hospital killed him not the player.
On March 02 2011 15:08 hiyo_bye wrote: So yes, he is an idiot and probably should have just picked it up or not done anything, but I don't see it as something that requires jail time. His apology may need some work... but it's possible it was misinterpreted/translated. Maybe he wasn't trying to "help" the owl, but he was clearly trying to get the game going by getting the owl out of the way.
Its a wild animal. He might have been wary about the potential heath risks that are associated with touching it by hand. Otherwise, yeah picking it up would be the sensible thing. The jail time is ridiculous (political madness).
I feel really sorry for the animal but it doesn't seem like that kick was with an intent to kill. Seemed like most of the damage came having the ball kicked at him. The kick itself didn't seem fast... but regardless, stupid to kick any animal.
On March 02 2011 15:25 DaCruise wrote: He should get in jail cause of the terrible excuse alone. What a douchebag.
3 months jail is ridiculous. A thousand dollar fine is enough to make sure he'll never do it again. Laws are meant to deter crime, not punish criminals.
On March 02 2011 15:10 semantics wrote: pick up an owl? what if the thing was diseased fuck that. People are just humanizing the owl becuase it wasn't ugly with missing feathers if bet if it was a pidgin or seagull no one would give to shits.http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/imageuploader/
On March 02 2011 15:09 3clipse wrote: Fucking scumbag. When I see someone hurt an animal, I'm consumed by a visceral instinct to hit him in the face.
And so what that makes you, instead of hurting animals you hurt people? are people less important? Can you prove malicious intent words like brutal is loaded with connotation.
There was a guy qualified for this already on his way into the field, but the player still kicked it. He said he did it cause he's team is not through a bad period of time.
not quite sure what the 2nd sentence is... He said he did it to cause the owl to scurry away like most birds that you walk up to and get close to they tend to fly away esp if you touch them. But when birds inhabit a stadium and are around people a lot they don't always go away so easily =p It sounds like the stadium has an owl problem that no one wanted to clean out. Can anyone prove that his kick killed the bird have you ever been hit with a ball that is your size?
Yeah in another video you can see the ball hit the owl softly. You can look it up if you want, but what he did was straight up kicked the owl. If the owl was already injured the kick basically made it worse, it was unnaceptable. Yeah that stadium is known for owls ocasionally visiting it from time to time.
On March 02 2011 15:20 Daozzt wrote: "He should be thrown in jail!"
It's pretty safe to say you can disregard future comments from everyone who's made that remark in this thread. There's no rationality behind that whatsoever. The dude flipped the bird with his foot to get it off the field, which is probably instinctive for a soccer player. Granted, the statement he made following the event was dumb, but seriously, it feels like I'm reading teamPETA, not teamliquid. "Brutally kicked." Yeah, ok. I felt the killing intent behind that one.
You're right. I rewatched the video several times, and there's no way what he did killed the owl and it didn't seem malicious at all. He just wasn't thinking straight. 3 months jail is ridiculously long for someone who made a misjudgement.
No, he kicked it and even if it had been half that strength, birds are fragile as hell. It was definitely fast enough to hurt.
The kick didn't look like a 'brutal' kick to the face of the owl. Honestly as a past soccer player, it looked like it was more of a flick rather than a kick. The kind of flick one uses to pump the ball into the air, not something that is like a vicious one described in the article.
It honestly looks like he was just clearing teh field in interest of the game.
On March 02 2011 15:08 hiyo_bye wrote: So yes, he is an idiot and probably should have just picked it up or not done anything, but I don't see it as something that requires jail time. His apology may need some work... but it's possible it was misinterpreted/translated. Maybe he wasn't trying to "help" the owl, but he was clearly trying to get the game going by getting the owl out of the way.
Its a wild animal. He might have been wary about the potential heath risks that are associated with touching it by hand. Otherwise, yeah picking it up would be the sensible thing. The jail time is ridiculous (political madness).
Not that I disagree with your general point, but I don't think it was a wild animal
"Moreno kicked the home team's mascot that had accidentally been hit by the match ball after wandering onto the field."
Regarding the Manu Ginobili bat incident, there's a bit of a difference in that in Manu's case, the bat had been flying around the court the previous few plays, and it was serving as a distraction to everyone. Plus, he only hit it to stop it from moving, whereas in the owl case, the owl was already grounded.
On March 02 2011 14:02 arterian wrote: didnt look brutal to me, people are overreacting
The owl was killed. If was killed by an unnecessarily stronger kick, it would change things? The stupidity is astounding.
Indeed it is, someone saying that the player violently punted the bird basically assuming he tried to kill it versus him trying to toss the bird off the field. It's like saying someone accidentally stepping on a baby in a crowded subway is the same as someone who killed a baby out of frustration or something. The stupidity is astounding, well put.
So he was trying to get the bird off the field or accidentally stepped on it?
Or maybe you are saying that it's ok for somebody to punt a baby, as long as it isn't being violently punted. Good luck arguing that case in court, I'm sure the jury would empathize with your situation, you didn't mean to kill the baby when you lighter-than-violently punted it.
In any case, there was zero reason to touch it and the douche bag kicked it hard enough to get it off the field after the game was stopped. Harming it in any way is too fucking brutal.
Your ability to foresee the astounding stupidity in your post is fascinating.
On March 02 2011 14:02 arterian wrote: didnt look brutal to me, people are overreacting
The owl was killed. If was killed by an unnecessarily stronger kick, it would change things? The stupidity is astounding.
Indeed it is, someone saying that the player violently punted the bird basically assuming he tried to kill it versus him trying to toss the bird off the field. It's like saying someone accidentally stepping on a baby in a crowded subway is the same as someone who killed a baby out of frustration or something. The stupidity is astounding, well put.
So he was trying to get the bird off the field or accidentally stepped on it?
Or maybe you are saying that it's ok for somebody to punt a baby, as long as it isn't being violently punted. Good luck arguing that case in court, I'm sure the jury would empathize with your situation, you didn't mean to kill the baby when you lighter-than-violently punted it.
In any case, there was zero reason to touch it and the douche bag kicked it hard enough to get it off the field after the game was stopped. Harming it in any way is too fucking brutal.
Your ability to foresee the astounding stupidity in your post is fascinating.
It was an owl, not a baby. That is a huge difference. How many times have you stepped on an ant and killed it? What if you stepped on a baby?
On March 02 2011 15:10 semantics wrote: pick up an owl? what if the thing was diseased fuck that. People are just humanizing the owl becuase it wasn't ugly with missing feathers if bet if it was a pidgin or seagull no one would give to shits.http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/imageuploader/
On March 02 2011 15:09 3clipse wrote: Fucking scumbag. When I see someone hurt an animal, I'm consumed by a visceral instinct to hit him in the face.
And so what that makes you, instead of hurting animals you hurt people? are people less important? Can you prove malicious intent words like brutal is loaded with connotation.
There was a guy qualified for this already on his way into the field, but the player still kicked it. He said he did it cause he's team is not through a bad period of time.
not quite sure what the 2nd sentence is... He said he did it to cause the owl to scurry away like most birds that you walk up to and get close to they tend to fly away esp if you touch them. But when birds inhabit a stadium and are around people a lot they don't always go away so easily =p It sounds like the stadium has an owl problem that no one wanted to clean out. Can anyone prove that his kick killed the bird have you ever been hit with a ball that is your size?
Yeah in another video you can see the ball hit the owl softly. You can look it up if you want, but what he did was straight up kicked the owl. If the owl was already injured the kick basically made it worse, it was unnaceptable. Yeah that stadium is known for owls ocasionally visiting it from time to time.
Really becuase getting hit by something then flipping end over end 3 4 times seems much more violent then just lifting something and tossing it a few feet esp when you expect it to fly away.
I'm pretty sure he was just trying to get it off the field, suffering from Dunning-Kruger effect, and has no rationality.
See: "he doesn't know his own strength" It was obvious to me he wasn't doing it out of wrathfulness, or anything. Also, the bird may have already been to the point where it was going to die previously to him kicking it off the field, although that doesn't make it better. His scooping kick surely didn't help, and he should definitely be fined for it, but I find 3 months in jail over this to be excessive.
A lot of people fail to realise that a human "flicking" the owl might actually feel more than just a flick to the animal. It's so much smaller than us, it's bones are hollow so "flicking" like that may actually break some bones.
Poor owl . That guy shouldn't be allowed to play pro football again in his life. That's just pathetic kicking the poor animal after it was hit by a ball.
On March 02 2011 15:36 Avaloch wrote: A lot of people fail to realise that a human "flicking" the owl might actually feel more than just a flick to the animal. It's so much smaller than us, it's bones are hollow so "flicking" like that may actually break some bones.
In fact, the player probably didn't realize how frail a bird was, especially one so big. But remember than a soccerball hit the owl head on. That has to may have done more damage than the kick.
On March 02 2011 15:36 Avaloch wrote: A lot of people fail to realise that a human "flicking" the owl might actually feel more than just a flick to the animal. It's so much smaller than us, it's bones are hollow so "flicking" like that may actually break some bones.
In fact, the player probably didn't realize how frail a bird was, especially one so big. But remember than a soccerball hit the owl head on. That has to may have done more damage than the kick.
I also think that was a major contributor to the damage done to the bird. The poor things exchange their bone integrity for flight
In American Football you get penalties and sometimes even fines for excessively celebrating scoring and in Soccer you can intentionally hurt animals without referees or the general audience seeing anything wrong with it.
But to be honest, the video is polarizing because you can see the owl still moving shortly before he kicked it. Poor owl
I've really never understood how people get so up in arms about things like this - he obviously didn't wind back and punt the thing like the description claims, and it didn't even really seem malicious. Hell, someone posted a video a page back where someone attacked a bat, but I don't see anyone getting enraged over that. It's just a little hypocritical, that's all.
I guess what I'm saying is that if anyone is really suggesting much of a penalty at all for this, they are just being asinine.
Wow I'm shocked, how in the world can you do that to an owl? It's a pretty large animal, I could never do that. This person deserves a big punishment. Damn, so cruel.
how can anyone look at that kick and NOT think it was violent, whether it was malicious or not? he's a pro soccer player, whose dedicated his entire life to KICKING things, and it's a fucking owl.
To be fair, we do this all the time to animals that usually get in our way. Unfortunately for the soccer player, owls are cuter than spiders and ants and flies.
On March 02 2011 13:22 Andross wrote: You know what's funny? A player whom used to play for the opposing team (Junior de Barranquilla) once shot a fan to death because he insulted him. He payed the bail and was free less than a year later and he continued playing professional soccer with minimum outrage.
It's ridiculous how this guy is getting so much shit on an international lever for lifting an old owl with his foot and having the owl die later, most likely due to the stress of captivity. Makes you wonder how much is human life worth, especially here.
As it turns out, that man's family felt his life was worth $150 million. I'm not sure how murder is counted as a civil lawsuit, but apparently it was.
Anyways, a human being murdered on a different occasion doesn't put this into some sort of minimized perspective. They're separate events and neither one is right, they both deserve(d) punishment. As to why this one's receiving so much more attention, it's probably due to the fact that a camera broadcasting live internationally caught this one. The other guy murdered someone and paid for silence, which was apparently a private matter. A dead bird's family can't represent him and I don't think the Colombian government is supposed to take bribes to dismiss a case.
On March 02 2011 16:00 Fontong wrote: Not brutal? Ask the owl that. The player was probably 40 times its size.
I bet if you had a baby intercept that kick he would tell you it was brutal if he could.
baby =/= owl
Jesus people.
How does it not constitute brutality if it isn't a baby? It's still a living creature that can feel pain. The point is that it doesn't matter if the player thought that was a 'light' kick. From the perspective of the owl it probably felt pretty damn brutal.
On March 02 2011 14:02 arterian wrote: didnt look brutal to me, people are overreacting
The owl was killed. If was killed by an unnecessarily stronger kick, it would change things? The stupidity is astounding.
Indeed it is, someone saying that the player violently punted the bird basically assuming he tried to kill it versus him trying to toss the bird off the field. It's like saying someone accidentally stepping on a baby in a crowded subway is the same as someone who killed a baby out of frustration or something. The stupidity is astounding, well put.
So he was trying to get the bird off the field or accidentally stepped on it?
Or maybe you are saying that it's ok for somebody to punt a baby, as long as it isn't being violently punted. Good luck arguing that case in court, I'm sure the jury would empathize with your situation, you didn't mean to kill the baby when you lighter-than-violently punted it.
In any case, there was zero reason to touch it and the douche bag kicked it hard enough to get it off the field after the game was stopped. Harming it in any way is too fucking brutal.
Your ability to foresee the astounding stupidity in your post is fascinating.
It was an owl, not a baby.
Believe it or not there is a fundamental difference. I'm sure you kill ants all day long because they're pests but oh SHIT when it's something bigger than a bug animal rights activists go crazy. Or hell a garden snake, or raccoon, or skunk. People kill intelligent creatures all the time...and you can't always tell me that it's totally painless.
While I agree the kid wasn't thinking right he didn't wind up and kick the shit out of the bird. It was a flick if anything. That Owl had already been smashed by that soccer ball as it was. Intent is actually rather important here and while I believe the kid is a total fucking moron for trying to "wake it up" by kicking it I don't think he should be sentenced to three months in jail.
Meh. Undoubtedly a stupid act by the football player, still i'm getting more and more annoyed by those people known as animal lovers. Reading the newspapers, whenever there is a article about a person being killed it hardly prompts any reaction, whereas 'Woman throws a cat in a garbage pin' results in countless death threats on that person. Makes me feel kinda sad for humanity. Having met a few people that actually belong to a sort of 'animal preservation group', I have to say, those are some obsessive and fairly worthless individuals.
On March 02 2011 16:11 Xayoz wrote: Meh. Undoubtedly a stupid act by the football player, still i'm getting more and more annoyed by those people known as animal lovers. Reading the newspapers, whenever there is a article about a person being killed it hardly prompts any reaction, whereas 'Woman throws a cat in a garbage pin' results in countless death threats on that person. Makes me feel kinda sad for humanity. Having met a few people that actually belong to a sort of 'animal preservation group', I have to say, those are some obsessive and fairly worthless individuals.
And this right here makes me feel sad for humanity.
Let's see, death threats vs. actually killing an animal. Huh. To be honest, I would rather be friends with the 'obsessive and worthless individuals' than someone who is able to throw a cat in the garbage bin, or a soccer player who can kick an owl as if it were a football.
To those who are riled up for the unintential death of an owl, I suggest focusing your attention on more worthy subjects like the on going protest worldwide, where HUMAN BEINGS are dying innocently.
In starcraft term, caring about an owl is like repairing a vulture when that same attention could be used to macro up some tanks.
On March 02 2011 16:11 Xayoz wrote: Meh. Undoubtedly a stupid act by the football player, still i'm getting more and more annoyed by those people known as animal lovers. Reading the newspapers, whenever there is a article about a person being killed it hardly prompts any reaction, whereas 'Woman throws a cat in a garbage pin' results in countless death threats on that person. Makes me feel kinda sad for humanity. Having met a few people that actually belong to a sort of 'animal preservation group', I have to say, those are some obsessive and fairly worthless individuals.
People who complain about animal cruelty are generally unhappy with the level of punishment mandated for the mistreatment of certain creatures who may or may not be able to defend themselves. Most things that are unable to defend themselves and are mistreated receive an amplified backlash from the public. It's why people are alarmed when children, babies, or the disabled are mistreated more so than when the average Joe is.
Personally, I don't hold their feelings against them. It's human nature to want to defend those who can't defend themselves and if that has extended to our domesticated "friends", I wouldn't find myself outraged. I'd find it more reassuring than if society didn't care at all. Calling people worthless is a little more alarming to me.
I don't know why so many people are defending this idiot.
Sure the kick wasn't "brutal." And i'm also sure it wasn't his intent to kill the bird. However the bird was clearly still alive and looking around and who in their right mind just walks up and kicks a living thing? What it would take to compel someone to think that "it's ok if I just go up and kick this thing" is unthinkable for me but can be nothing less than either stupidity or some sociopahtic attribute.
Also, that bird was like 5yards from the side-line... that isn't a fucking soccer ball. It's not like the bird was a few feet from the sideline. How hard does a reasonable person think you have to kick a living thing to get it to move that long of a distance? Hard enough to kill it, as was shown here. The dude is a fucking idiot (and his apology just corroborates this).
On March 02 2011 16:22 On_Slaught wrote: I don't know why so many people are defending this idiot.
Sure the kick wasn't "brutal." And i'm also sure it wasn't his intent to kill the bird. However the bird was clearly still alive and looking around and who in their right mind just walks up and kicks a living thing? What it would take to compel someone to think that "it's ok if I just go up and kick this thing" is unthinkable for me but can be nothing less than either stupidity or some sociopahtic attribute.
Also, that bird was like 5yards from the side-line... that isn't a fucking soccer ball. It's not like the bird was a few feet from the sideline. How hard does a reasonable person think you have to kick a living thing to get it to move that long of a distance? Hard enough to kill it, as was shown here. The dude is a fucking idiot (and his apology just corroborates this).
I don't think anyone is defending his actions. I think what people are commenting on is the "brutal kick" slant of the story, which suggests a level of malice that the video doesn't show. Nobody here is saying it is a good thing.
Definitely the media making a mountain out of a molehill. While the kick wasn't the brutal death punt it was portrayed to be, it's probably not the "right" thing to do. People should also consider the fact that the animal was injured, and might be inclined to attack with its beak or talons if handled like you would a puppy. Toss in diseases that you can contract from birds, and I certainly can't vilify the guy for flickin the bird off the pitch..
On March 02 2011 16:22 On_Slaught wrote: I don't know why so many people are defending this idiot.
Sure the kick wasn't "brutal." And i'm also sure it wasn't his intent to kill the bird. However the bird was clearly still alive and looking around and who in their right mind just walks up and kicks a living thing? What it would take to compel someone to think that "it's ok if I just go up and kick this thing" is unthinkable for me but can be nothing less than either stupidity or some sociopahtic attribute.
Also, that bird was like 5yards from the side-line... that isn't a fucking soccer ball. It's not like the bird was a few feet from the sideline. How hard does a reasonable person think you have to kick a living thing to get it to move that long of a distance? Hard enough to kill it, as was shown here. The dude is a fucking idiot (and his apology just corroborates this).
I don't think anyone is defending his actions. I think what people are commenting on is the "brutal kick" slant of the story, which suggests a level of malice that the video doesn't show. Nobody here is saying it is a good thing.
It seemed like the main intention was to get the owl off the field. While he was apathetic towards the owl's pain, he didn't seem like he did it to harm the owl, although his excuse sucked.
On March 02 2011 16:21 Wayra wrote: To those who are riled up for the unintential death of an owl, I suggest focusing your attention on more worthy subjects like the on going protest worldwide, where HUMAN BEINGS are dying innocently.
In starcraft term, caring about an owl is like repairing a vulture when that same attention could be used to macro up some tanks.
Dumb, ignoring what you deem "little problems" and fixing what you deem "big problems" doesn't make sense. We all help and work in multiple things at once, we're not the fucking zerg.
On March 02 2011 16:22 On_Slaught wrote: I don't know why so many people are defending this idiot.
Sure the kick wasn't "brutal." And i'm also sure it wasn't his intent to kill the bird. However the bird was clearly still alive and looking around and who in their right mind just walks up and kicks a living thing? What it would take to compel someone to think that "it's ok if I just go up and kick this thing" is unthinkable for me but can be nothing less than either stupidity or some sociopahtic attribute.
Also, that bird was like 5yards from the side-line... that isn't a fucking soccer ball. It's not like the bird was a few feet from the sideline. How hard does a reasonable person think you have to kick a living thing to get it to move that long of a distance? Hard enough to kill it, as was shown here. The dude is a fucking idiot (and his apology just corroborates this).
I don't think anyone is defending his actions. I think what people are commenting on is the "brutal kick" slant of the story, which suggests a level of malice that the video doesn't show. Nobody here is saying it is a good thing.
I pretty much agree with this.
The kick is not in the slightest way, shape or form 'brutal'.
On March 02 2011 16:34 SpeaKEaSY wrote: Bullshit, they treat people who run onto the field and interfere with the game more roughly. No reason the owl should get special treatment.
Maybe the fact that the owl probably has the mind equivalent to a child would change your mind. Please don't act tough or hard here, it makes you look pathetic when your horrible negative outlook gets challenged.
On March 02 2011 16:34 SpeaKEaSY wrote: Bullshit, they treat people who run onto the field and interfere with the game more roughly. No reason the owl should get special treatment.
Maybe the fact that the owl probably has the mind equivalent to a child would change your mind. Please don't act tough or hard here, it makes you look pathetic when your horrible negative outlook gets challenged.
On March 02 2011 16:34 SpeaKEaSY wrote: Bullshit, they treat people who run onto the field and interfere with the game more roughly. No reason the owl should get special treatment.
Maybe the fact that the owl probably has the mind equivalent to a child would change your mind. Please don't act tough or hard here, it makes you look pathetic when your horrible negative outlook gets challenged.
(im pretty sure that was a joke)
I'm also sure that special treatment is much more negative outlook ie elitism then just being indiscriminate. Confused his feeling of malaise towards being indiscriminate rather then just the action with in it self which is neither here nor there. In fact the assumption of equal treatment is a much more positive outlook then negative one it assumes equality among all and thus no need for discrimination. :D
On March 02 2011 16:34 SpeaKEaSY wrote: Bullshit, they treat people who run onto the field and interfere with the game more roughly. No reason the owl should get special treatment.
Maybe the fact that the owl probably has the mind equivalent to a child would change your mind. Please don't act tough or hard here, it makes you look pathetic when your horrible negative outlook gets challenged.
(im pretty sure that was a joke)
I'm also sure that special treatment is much more negative outlook ie elitism then just being indiscriminate. Confused his feeling of malaise towards being indiscriminate rather then just the action with in it self which is neither here nor there. In fact the assumption of equal treatment is a much more positive outlook then negative one it assumes equality among all and thus no need for discrimination. :D
I'm sick of hearing you talk semantics.
(I only wrote that because mentally inserting commas and getting different meanings makes me giggle)
Honestly though, I can't fathom a single reason why anyone would get all up in arms over this. I know this is going to seem super callous to some people, but is this really important enough to give the guy any sort of grief over? I don't think it is.
On March 02 2011 16:34 SpeaKEaSY wrote: Bullshit, they treat people who run onto the field and interfere with the game more roughly. No reason the owl should get special treatment.
Maybe the fact that the owl probably has the mind equivalent to a child would change your mind. Please don't act tough or hard here, it makes you look pathetic when your horrible negative outlook gets challenged.
On March 02 2011 16:22 On_Slaught wrote: I don't know why so many people are defending this idiot.
Sure the kick wasn't "brutal." And i'm also sure it wasn't his intent to kill the bird. However the bird was clearly still alive and looking around and who in their right mind just walks up and kicks a living thing? What it would take to compel someone to think that "it's ok if I just go up and kick this thing" is unthinkable for me but can be nothing less than either stupidity or some sociopahtic attribute.
Also, that bird was like 5yards from the side-line... that isn't a fucking soccer ball. It's not like the bird was a few feet from the sideline. How hard does a reasonable person think you have to kick a living thing to get it to move that long of a distance? Hard enough to kill it, as was shown here. The dude is a fucking idiot (and his apology just corroborates this).
I don't think anyone is defending his actions. I think what people are commenting on is the "brutal kick" slant of the story, which suggests a level of malice that the video doesn't show. Nobody here is saying it is a good thing.
I pretty much agree with this.
The kick is not in the slightest way, shape or form 'brutal'.
If I kicked a child so it went flying, would you call that brutal?
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