EPTOwl gets brutally kicked by soccer player, dies - Page 7
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MaxField
United States2386 Posts
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uSnAmplified
United States1029 Posts
On March 02 2011 14:45 Dhalphir wrote: Pretty sure killing a guy because he didnt like how you played soccer is senseless violence.Also to those wondering why people get so angry about this compared to a human being killed, it is that this is just senseless violence. There is no reason behind it. You can write gigantic PETA like sensational rants, but if it does not actually defend against the double standard im pointing out in context you are just rambling on and wasting your time. | ||
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Clare
United States372 Posts
On March 02 2011 14:48 jello_biafra wrote: I gotta admit, I lol'd. Don't see what the big deal is though, only an owl. Well, I would usually agree that it's just an animal, but you can clearly see that the owl was in pain after being hit by the soccer ball. It was a really stupid decision to do that. | ||
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SpaceTurtle
Australia44 Posts
If people say that it's over reacting by putting him in jail, then other people would be kicking owls left and right, thinking that it's fine. Punishment isn't just for that offender himself, it's also for the rest to learn not to make the same damn mistake. | ||
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ilj.psa
Peru3081 Posts
![[image loading]](http://img851.imageshack.us/i/301999.jpg/) before it died, breaks my heart watching these photos. | ||
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xza
Singapore1600 Posts
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Theo
United States151 Posts
It's insane how these stupid animal rights activists persecute normal people who barely did anything to harm animals and never try to stop poachers or bring attention to that. 3 months for this? Unjust. | ||
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jello_biafra
United Kingdom6639 Posts
On March 02 2011 14:51 Redneck! wrote: Well, I would usually agree that it's just an animal, but you can clearly see that the owl was in pain after being hit by the soccer ball. It was a really stupid decision to do that. I agree it was stupid and I wouldn't have done it myself but really he's just putting the thing out of its misery. | ||
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Meta
United States6225 Posts
On March 02 2011 14:52 SpaceTurtle wrote: Brutal or not, that guy should've either left it for some other dude to transport the owl off field, or used his hands and bring it out of the field GENTLY. He made the wrong decision, hence he should face the consequences, and in this case, most probably 3 months of jail time, and expulsion from the team. If people say that it's over reacting by putting him in jail, then other people would be kicking owls left and right, thinking that it's fine. Punishment isn't just for that offender himself, it's also for the rest to learn not to make the same damn mistake. Why not punt all owls that come on to sports fields for the rest to learn not to make the same damn mistake? They'll learn eventually- and then there would be no problem.  Seriously you guys are overreatcing so hard it actually makes me sad for this dude. He's getting more backlash than most pedophiles or murderers get on a daily basis. Sure it's just for this 15 minutes of fame that he's being ridiculed, but still. It sucks for him. I mean, it sucks for the owl too, but whatever it's just a bird | ||
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The_LiNk
Canada863 Posts
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Signet
United States1718 Posts
On March 02 2011 13:50 Velocirapture wrote: People seem to feel such a wide variety of emotions about these things. Basically it comes down to how much you believe in human exceptionalism. If you believe humans are all that matter in the world and nature simply exists to support us then you end up with people that just say he should get told not to do it again. If you believe humans are not more important than animals and we all hold important roles in how the world is held together you end up with the long jail sentence+ type views. And many of us fall in the middle. I'm mostly in agreement with this. Additionally, though, there is also a social contract/legal constitution angle. Specific to the United States, I don't see how you can construct the concept of animal rights from the Constitution, whereas human rights are specifically guaranteed in our nation's founding documents. Likewise, legal and social theories are based upon the agreements humans enter into upon living in an organized society. Animals, and other life forms, are more pertinent to social contracts as they are a part of the environment in which we live, not as members of society. Indeed, if animals were to be treated as members of society, they would need certain legal rights that are frankly ludicrous to provide them with. Which isn't to say that we should do whatever we want to animals... but rather, that humans must be considered a higher class of life form in order for our social and legal systems to be both sensible and maintain internal consistency. I think a lot of the logical inconsistency out there on this issue stems from the relative newness of this issue for us as a species. Contrast the soccer player's kicking the owl to this article's description of a factory farm. The latter is vastly more cruel, and yet completely legal. Female breeding pigs were crammed inside "gestation crates" so small the animals could barely move for virtually their entire lives. The animals engaged in stereotypic behaviors such as biting the bars of crates, indicating poor well-being in the extreme confinement conditions. Some had bitten their bars so incessantly that blood from their mouths coated the fronts of their crates. The breeding pigs also suffered injuries from sharp crate protrusions and open pressure sores that developed from their unyielding confinement. Likewise, as was mentioned, the bat in San Antonio and the owl in Colombia did not spark the same reaction. Both the bat and the owl are large vertebrates; bats are even mammals. Probably a lot of the difference in reaction stems from how cute the animals are. We kill and eat cows and pigs, but horses and dogs are off limits. (in this country anyway) One we think of as pets - increasingly, as little people - and the other as livestock. Even this is not really consistent; of the examples I gave, pigs are probably the smartest. For animal rights to become a more serious movement, it has to formulate a logically consistent way of treating all animals fairly. | ||
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ander
Canada403 Posts
On March 02 2011 14:23 uSnAmplified wrote: The problem is how people throw total disregard to things like i dont, know human life being taken and try to champion the idea that animals dieing is a more important thing worry about. Man shot and killed, oh well, but oh god an owl was kicked, stop the presses. its a completely relevant argument considering the astounding amount of stupid double standards put up in this thread. Post was made about the same exact league a player shot and killed someone and got away with it after dropping some bills, and it was completely ignored. Owl dies, we get posts like this, ridiculous. What you're talking about, i have absolutely no clue. Where the hell did someone say that that owl's life is more valuable than a human being's? Where did anyone say that this is more important than someone being shot? Obviously an owl being brutally kicked in the head and killed is terrible, and obviously a man being shot and killed without justice being served is terrible. You cannot ignore one awful thing simply because an even worse thing happens. Nobody claimed that. The position you're defending is a figment of your imagination. | ||
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Dhalphir
Australia1305 Posts
On March 02 2011 14:50 uSnAmplified wrote: Pretty sure killing a guy because he didnt like how you played soccer is senseless violence. You can write gigantic PETA like sensational rants, but if it does not actually defend against the double standard im pointing out in context you are just rambling on and wasting your time. Not applicable to what I was talking about. Killing a guy because you don't like how he played soccer may not be a GOOD reason but its still a reason that humans can understand and so its not as baffling. but there is literally not even a reason for hurting an animal the way it sometimes happens. And hell, an animal is a more valuable member of the planet than some of the humans who inhabit it, to be honest. Those kids who attacked the kitten, for example. | ||
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LaLLsc2
United States502 Posts
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RaptureLights
50 Posts
It's horrible that he kicked the poor bird. Simply tragic. Poor thing, died. All I can think about the video is. -Bird hit by ball- "Ow" -Laying there wings out looking about- "Please help me" -getting kicked- "WHAT THE FLUFFY!!!!!!" Don't know why he didn't just leave it alone and let the right people handle the situation. | ||
Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
There is no excuse for treating any living creature in such a manner. He just walked right up and kicked it, and murdered it, because he was angry. The owl did what, flew onto the field? It was deserving of an extremely hard kick and death because it flew onto the field and accidentally got hit by a ball? I played soccer all through high school, soccer players can do serious damage with a kick. There are certainly laws against animal cruelty, and he just intentionally kicked it. If he was concerned about helping the bird, he had two options: pick it up and carry it off the field, or if he was worried about contact with the bird, he could have protected it by keeping people away until someone qualified to help the bird arrived. He clearly had no intention of helping the creature. Just a mean spirited asshole. | ||
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phantaxx
United States201 Posts
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Flik
Canada256 Posts
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applejuice
307 Posts
= I wouldn't feel sorry for him if he got the 3 months. I mean, even taking into considering the fact it was "just an owl", anybody who would do such a thing is fucked in the head. | ||
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Shiragaku
Hong Kong4308 Posts
![[image loading]](http://www.recombinantrecords.net/images/2009-05-Amusing-Ourselves-to-Death.png) Can we focus on more important information? There is a ocean of knowledge out there and we learn about a single soccer player kicking a single owl. Animal rights>This Thread | ||
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