On March 02 2011 15:20 Daozzt wrote: "He should be thrown in jail!"
It's pretty safe to say you can disregard future comments from everyone who's made that remark in this thread. There's no rationality behind that whatsoever. The dude flipped the bird with his foot to get it off the field, which is probably instinctive for a soccer player. Granted, the statement he made following the event was dumb, but seriously, it feels like I'm reading teamPETA, not teamliquid. "Brutally kicked." Yeah, ok. I felt the killing intent behind that one.
You're right. I rewatched the video several times, and there's no way what he did killed the owl and it didn't seem malicious at all. He just wasn't thinking straight. 3 months jail is ridiculously long for someone who made a misjudgement.
On March 02 2011 13:13 Dr. Nick wrote: That was hardly a punt.. I find it hard to see how it managed to kill the owl 'brutality' as the OP described.
Not saying it was right or anything, but the force of the kick didn't seem THAT much..
are you familiar with soccer player shoes?
that fucking dude deserves prision time
Nah he clearly kicked it with the side of his shoe and merely brushed the bird off the field so they could continue their game, tbh that bird shouldn't have been on the field disrupting play, they train all their lives to play this game and some people don't care enough that they let some bird onto the field midgame?! that is ridiculous to me. But whatever, he merely shuffled the bird off like a bottle, certainly wasn't a punt. Also the bird died of capture myopathy, so hospital killed him not the player.
On March 02 2011 15:08 hiyo_bye wrote: So yes, he is an idiot and probably should have just picked it up or not done anything, but I don't see it as something that requires jail time. His apology may need some work... but it's possible it was misinterpreted/translated. Maybe he wasn't trying to "help" the owl, but he was clearly trying to get the game going by getting the owl out of the way.
Its a wild animal. He might have been wary about the potential heath risks that are associated with touching it by hand. Otherwise, yeah picking it up would be the sensible thing. The jail time is ridiculous (political madness).
I feel really sorry for the animal but it doesn't seem like that kick was with an intent to kill. Seemed like most of the damage came having the ball kicked at him. The kick itself didn't seem fast... but regardless, stupid to kick any animal.
On March 02 2011 15:25 DaCruise wrote: He should get in jail cause of the terrible excuse alone. What a douchebag.
3 months jail is ridiculous. A thousand dollar fine is enough to make sure he'll never do it again. Laws are meant to deter crime, not punish criminals.
On March 02 2011 15:10 semantics wrote: pick up an owl? what if the thing was diseased fuck that. People are just humanizing the owl becuase it wasn't ugly with missing feathers if bet if it was a pidgin or seagull no one would give to shits.http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/imageuploader/
On March 02 2011 15:09 3clipse wrote: Fucking scumbag. When I see someone hurt an animal, I'm consumed by a visceral instinct to hit him in the face.
And so what that makes you, instead of hurting animals you hurt people? are people less important? Can you prove malicious intent words like brutal is loaded with connotation.
There was a guy qualified for this already on his way into the field, but the player still kicked it. He said he did it cause he's team is not through a bad period of time.
not quite sure what the 2nd sentence is... He said he did it to cause the owl to scurry away like most birds that you walk up to and get close to they tend to fly away esp if you touch them. But when birds inhabit a stadium and are around people a lot they don't always go away so easily =p It sounds like the stadium has an owl problem that no one wanted to clean out. Can anyone prove that his kick killed the bird have you ever been hit with a ball that is your size?
Yeah in another video you can see the ball hit the owl softly. You can look it up if you want, but what he did was straight up kicked the owl. If the owl was already injured the kick basically made it worse, it was unnaceptable. Yeah that stadium is known for owls ocasionally visiting it from time to time.
On March 02 2011 15:20 Daozzt wrote: "He should be thrown in jail!"
It's pretty safe to say you can disregard future comments from everyone who's made that remark in this thread. There's no rationality behind that whatsoever. The dude flipped the bird with his foot to get it off the field, which is probably instinctive for a soccer player. Granted, the statement he made following the event was dumb, but seriously, it feels like I'm reading teamPETA, not teamliquid. "Brutally kicked." Yeah, ok. I felt the killing intent behind that one.
You're right. I rewatched the video several times, and there's no way what he did killed the owl and it didn't seem malicious at all. He just wasn't thinking straight. 3 months jail is ridiculously long for someone who made a misjudgement.
No, he kicked it and even if it had been half that strength, birds are fragile as hell. It was definitely fast enough to hurt.
The kick didn't look like a 'brutal' kick to the face of the owl. Honestly as a past soccer player, it looked like it was more of a flick rather than a kick. The kind of flick one uses to pump the ball into the air, not something that is like a vicious one described in the article.
It honestly looks like he was just clearing teh field in interest of the game.
On March 02 2011 15:08 hiyo_bye wrote: So yes, he is an idiot and probably should have just picked it up or not done anything, but I don't see it as something that requires jail time. His apology may need some work... but it's possible it was misinterpreted/translated. Maybe he wasn't trying to "help" the owl, but he was clearly trying to get the game going by getting the owl out of the way.
Its a wild animal. He might have been wary about the potential heath risks that are associated with touching it by hand. Otherwise, yeah picking it up would be the sensible thing. The jail time is ridiculous (political madness).
Not that I disagree with your general point, but I don't think it was a wild animal
"Moreno kicked the home team's mascot that had accidentally been hit by the match ball after wandering onto the field."
Regarding the Manu Ginobili bat incident, there's a bit of a difference in that in Manu's case, the bat had been flying around the court the previous few plays, and it was serving as a distraction to everyone. Plus, he only hit it to stop it from moving, whereas in the owl case, the owl was already grounded.
On March 02 2011 14:02 arterian wrote: didnt look brutal to me, people are overreacting
The owl was killed. If was killed by an unnecessarily stronger kick, it would change things? The stupidity is astounding.
Indeed it is, someone saying that the player violently punted the bird basically assuming he tried to kill it versus him trying to toss the bird off the field. It's like saying someone accidentally stepping on a baby in a crowded subway is the same as someone who killed a baby out of frustration or something. The stupidity is astounding, well put.
So he was trying to get the bird off the field or accidentally stepped on it?
Or maybe you are saying that it's ok for somebody to punt a baby, as long as it isn't being violently punted. Good luck arguing that case in court, I'm sure the jury would empathize with your situation, you didn't mean to kill the baby when you lighter-than-violently punted it.
In any case, there was zero reason to touch it and the douche bag kicked it hard enough to get it off the field after the game was stopped. Harming it in any way is too fucking brutal.
Your ability to foresee the astounding stupidity in your post is fascinating.
On March 02 2011 14:02 arterian wrote: didnt look brutal to me, people are overreacting
The owl was killed. If was killed by an unnecessarily stronger kick, it would change things? The stupidity is astounding.
Indeed it is, someone saying that the player violently punted the bird basically assuming he tried to kill it versus him trying to toss the bird off the field. It's like saying someone accidentally stepping on a baby in a crowded subway is the same as someone who killed a baby out of frustration or something. The stupidity is astounding, well put.
So he was trying to get the bird off the field or accidentally stepped on it?
Or maybe you are saying that it's ok for somebody to punt a baby, as long as it isn't being violently punted. Good luck arguing that case in court, I'm sure the jury would empathize with your situation, you didn't mean to kill the baby when you lighter-than-violently punted it.
In any case, there was zero reason to touch it and the douche bag kicked it hard enough to get it off the field after the game was stopped. Harming it in any way is too fucking brutal.
Your ability to foresee the astounding stupidity in your post is fascinating.
It was an owl, not a baby. That is a huge difference. How many times have you stepped on an ant and killed it? What if you stepped on a baby?
On March 02 2011 15:10 semantics wrote: pick up an owl? what if the thing was diseased fuck that. People are just humanizing the owl becuase it wasn't ugly with missing feathers if bet if it was a pidgin or seagull no one would give to shits.http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/imageuploader/
On March 02 2011 15:09 3clipse wrote: Fucking scumbag. When I see someone hurt an animal, I'm consumed by a visceral instinct to hit him in the face.
And so what that makes you, instead of hurting animals you hurt people? are people less important? Can you prove malicious intent words like brutal is loaded with connotation.
There was a guy qualified for this already on his way into the field, but the player still kicked it. He said he did it cause he's team is not through a bad period of time.
not quite sure what the 2nd sentence is... He said he did it to cause the owl to scurry away like most birds that you walk up to and get close to they tend to fly away esp if you touch them. But when birds inhabit a stadium and are around people a lot they don't always go away so easily =p It sounds like the stadium has an owl problem that no one wanted to clean out. Can anyone prove that his kick killed the bird have you ever been hit with a ball that is your size?
Yeah in another video you can see the ball hit the owl softly. You can look it up if you want, but what he did was straight up kicked the owl. If the owl was already injured the kick basically made it worse, it was unnaceptable. Yeah that stadium is known for owls ocasionally visiting it from time to time.
Really becuase getting hit by something then flipping end over end 3 4 times seems much more violent then just lifting something and tossing it a few feet esp when you expect it to fly away.
I'm pretty sure he was just trying to get it off the field, suffering from Dunning-Kruger effect, and has no rationality.
See: "he doesn't know his own strength" It was obvious to me he wasn't doing it out of wrathfulness, or anything. Also, the bird may have already been to the point where it was going to die previously to him kicking it off the field, although that doesn't make it better. His scooping kick surely didn't help, and he should definitely be fined for it, but I find 3 months in jail over this to be excessive.
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