On March 02 2011 14:00 SheerStress wrote: For those saying who cares,
Its a big deal because blowing off animal cruelty in such a public manner tells people its okay to treat animals like that. People defend animals more harshly than people because they cant defend themselves. They cant find lawyers and sue people. It's like when chris brown beat up rianna, it was a big deal cause they are famous and when you let people get away with no consequence it shows that the society will allow that behavior. Personally watching that poor owl get kicked was kind of painful. Soccer is his livelihood so a ban is kind of perhaps too far, but some jail time and a few game bans should show people its not something to do lightly.
What a retard though
Considering this is the same society that let a man who publicly shot and killed someone, pay a fine and continue to play ball. Im pretty sure that guy couldn't defend himself from a gun, and im pretty sure a human being dieing is a pretty big deal to.
If the animal had a lawyer and a family they could pay a bunch of money to it would be okay then? You are just being melodramatic and sensational to defend your point.
On March 02 2011 14:04 Angra wrote: Wow I can't believe how much the players of the other team held their composure. If someone kicked an owl like that and I was there I would have probably punched him in the face right after as my initial reaction. Who cares about getting suspended for punching him, you don't kick an animal like that.
On March 02 2011 14:03 Disarray wrote: the difference is, one is a rodent, with wings, something you'd call pest control over. the other is of a species that is often on the endangered list.
its like if you spilled kool-aid on a kids crayon drawing on the fridge, or the mona lisa. whats the difference, they're both pictures.
Yea man, agreed. It's like running your brand new truck over some drunken bum (wtf who cares) vs killing an Ivy league honor student.
Fucking bats expect they get the same treatment, jeez.
On March 02 2011 13:55 nobodyhome wrote: I personally feel bad that an owl was killed and I definitely wouldn't have kicked it off the field if I were that guy either, but it's interesting to compare this situation to what happened about a year ago when Manu Ginobili, an NBA player, swatted a bat off the court (the bat lived, but from the video it looks like he could've easily accidentally killed it) during the middle of a game.
People seemed to think that what Ginobili did was awesome and cool, but if you kick an owl off the field you are an animal murderer.
SAN ANTONIO (AP)--The Spurs' Manu Ginobili showed off his quick hands-- capturing a bat.
"That was amazing," teammate Tony Parker said after the San Antonio Spurs beat the Sacramento Kings 113-94 on Saturday night. "The legend continues with Manu. Unbelievable. ... He's always doing crazy stuff."
Late in the first period a bat swooped into the AT&T Center and descended onto the court. Players scattered and officials stopped play. The bat circled and left only to return--briefly.
That's when Ginobili performed his Halloween trick, swatting the bat out of the air with a bare hand. He then carried the creature off the court to thunderous cheers.
As the theme song to "Batman" played, a few Sacramento players applauded, too. A trainer emerged to squirt sanitizer on Ginobilil's hand. "When you can't dunk anymore, you have to find a way to make it into the news," Ginobili said. "So that's what I did. I grabbed a bat. I didn't think it was a big deal."
On the court, Parker led the Spurs with 24 points and seven assists, and Ginobili scored 13 points in a reserve role. He ended the first period with a driving layup at the buzzer. Richard Jefferson added 21 points for San Antonio. San Antonio beat Sacramento 113-94.
The only performance anyone wanted to talk about was Ginobili's.
the difference is, one is a rodent, with wings, something you'd call pest control over. the other is of a species that is often on the endangered list.
its like if you spilled kool-aid on a kids crayon drawing on the fridge, or the mona lisa. whats the difference, they're both pictures.
Wait, so your reasoning for the protection of animals is that they're cute? Aren't you discriminating against a fellow mammal that has the right to live? You, sir, are one heartless fiend.
Also, Bats aren't rodents, as they are a member of the order Chiroptera.
On March 02 2011 14:02 arterian wrote: didnt look brutal to me, people are overreacting
The owl was killed. If was killed by an unnecessarily stronger kick, it would change things? The stupidity is astounding.
Indeed it is, someone saying that the player violently punted the bird basically assuming he tried to kill it versus him trying to toss the bird off the field. It's like saying someone accidentally stepping on a baby in a crowded subway is the same as someone who killed a baby out of frustration or something. The stupidity is astounding, well put.
Looked more like a "flip" rather than a "punt" or "brutal kick." It probably woud have been better if he'd just apologized and stopped there. Saying he was helping it fly is truly a *facepalm* moment that he's going to regret.
But it's not that big a deal (relatively speaking) and just sensational mediamaking. Animal cruelty is pretty pervasive behind closed doors, but when you put it on live television in a familiar venue like a soccergame, then suddenly people get inflamed and want to get involved. Then these people will get angry for a day and forget about it the next. Give me a break.
Wtf is with people complaining about his statement? Please tell me what exactly you would say in the same situation?
Was hardly a brutal kick, fuck, I'd bet the hit from the ball hurt it worse then his kick. It did look like he was trying to get it off the field. If he was that focused I could totally see him doing it without thinking just like that.
On March 02 2011 14:02 arterian wrote: didnt look brutal to me, people are overreacting
The owl was killed. If was killed by an unnecessarily stronger kick, it would change things? The stupidity is astounding.
Indeed, someone saying that the player violently punted the bird basically assuming he tried to kill it versus him trying to toss the bird off the field. It's like saying someone accidentally stepping on a baby in crowded subway is the same as someone who killed a baby out of frustration or something. The stupidity is astounding, well put.
Sounds like intent to kill is the issue of contention, not the actual force. It doesn't matter if he kicked hard, it matters if he was kicking to hurt or kill the bird.
It always upsets me when people write off things by saying "this is so small compared to other things that happen in the world". Yes, awful things happen all the time but wrong is still wrong. If you were to extend the logic of a lot of forum posters here we would have to wait for an event worse than the holocaust to actually be upset about something.
I actually laughed really hard... you have to consider that not all cultures value birds so much...maybe hes never seen an owl. people wouldn't be as pissed if someone kicked a pigeon or a crow.
I just pictured him like don't worry guise, i got this! punt!
On March 02 2011 14:02 arterian wrote: didnt look brutal to me, people are overreacting
The owl was killed. If was killed by an unnecessarily stronger kick, it would change things? The stupidity is astounding.
From the OP
According to Radio Caracol of Colombia, the exact cause of death was capture myopathy, which develops in animals that are subjected to extreme physical conditions, such as exertion, struggle and stress.
It's just as likely that the owl was killed from being hit by the ball. It's quite possible that the owl was going to die regardless of what the player did, although no one is denying that it was stupid to do it in the first place.
how do people even try and downplay this because it wasn't technically brutal? The game has stopped, the ball is out of play and this dude still runs up and punts the owl in the face. That's brutal....
The conversation in this thread is astounding lol. He didn't "toss" the bird off the field with his foot. He punted that thing 10+ feet. I am amazed at some of the stupid comments in this thread.
On March 02 2011 14:15 Velocirapture wrote: It always upsets me when people write off things by saying "this is so small compared to other things that happen in the world". Yes, awful things happen all the time but wrong is still wrong. If you were to extend the logic of a lot of forum posters here we would have to wait for an event worse than the holocaust to actually be upset about something.
The problem is how people throw total disregard to things like i dont, know human life being taken and try to champion the idea that animals dieing is a more important thing worry about.
Man shot and killed, oh well, but oh god an owl was kicked, stop the presses. its a completely relevant argument considering the astounding amount of stupid double standards put up in this thread. Post was made about the same exact league a player shot and killed someone and got away with it after dropping some bills, and it was completely ignored.
Owl dies, we get posts like this, ridiculous.
On March 02 2011 14:22 Mjolnir wrote:
Jail, absolutely.
Piece of shit. I fucking hate the callous superiority some people feel toward animals.
Stick that tool in jail, let him know what it's like to be pounded on by something bigger.