On March 02 2011 13:22 Andross wrote: You know what's funny? A player whom used to play for the opposing team (Junior de Barranquilla) once shot a fan to death because he insulted him. He payed the bail and was free less than a year later and he continued playing professional soccer with minimum outrage.
It's ridiculous how this guy is getting so much shit on an international lever for lifting an old owl with his foot and having the owl die later, most likely due to the stress of captivity. Makes you wonder how much is human life worth, especially here.
Is it really right to give a crap about the owl if people in the same country can get out of jail for murdering someone over an insult by paying some money?
For people doubting how strong that kick is (Manifesto), the kick lasted barely a frame on camera, and his leg came forward with quite a springy, pendulum motion.
Stand up in the middle of your room and emulate that kick, then come back and say it wouldn't seriously hurt a small animal.
On March 02 2011 13:33 Manifesto7 wrote: Title says "brutally kicked", but that didn't look like a brutal kick to me. Not that it was the correct thing to do, but he just flipped it off the field.
ROFL flipped yeah ok
left leg came swinging man
Stop with this bs. He didn't even kick it, he tossed it off the field. I don't know if you played soccer before but this is not a kick, this is how you get the ball up in the air if you mess around with friends who stand right near you.
I think if I was playing soccer and some crow fell on the field right near me I would do the same. I was taught to never touch a bird, especially if it's a predator. He did wrong but he had no intention to kill it.
This thread is hilarious in it's own way, how can something like this get so much publicity and get so many people angry at it when there are close to infinity bigger problems in the world that no one pays attention to, even if they are covered. My bet is the fact that you can't be angry at something you can't point your finger at and appoint a criminal.
I'll go scratch my head over this one, mindblowing.
On March 02 2011 13:22 Andross wrote: You know what's funny? A player whom used to play for the opposing team (Junior de Barranquilla) once shot a fan to death because he insulted him. He payed the bail and was free less than a year later and he continued playing professional soccer with minimum outrage.
It's ridiculous how this guy is getting so much shit on an international lever for lifting an old owl with his foot and having the owl die later, most likely due to the stress of captivity. Makes you wonder how much is human life worth, especially here.
Is it really right to give a crap about the owl if people in the same country can get out of jail for murdering someone over an insult by paying some money?
I think its funny how this is getting ignored and people are just going on about the "brutal kicking" that we cant even see.
On March 02 2011 13:33 Manifesto7 wrote: Title says "brutally kicked", but that didn't look like a brutal kick to me. Not that it was the correct thing to do, but he just flipped it off the field.
ROFL flipped yeah ok
left leg came swinging man
Stop with this bs. He didn't even kick it, he tossed it off the field. I don't know if you played soccer before but this is not a kick, this is how you get the ball up in the air if you mess around with friends who stand right near you.
Would you take that kick to the balls? If not, you shouldn't be doing it to an injured bird.
They were nearly 20 feet from the edge of the field. You can't gently kick something 20 feet through the air off the ground.
People seem to feel such a wide variety of emotions about these things. Basically it comes down to how much you believe in human exceptionalism. If you believe humans are all that matter in the world and nature simply exists to support us then you end up with people that just say he should get told not to do it again. If you believe humans are not more important than animals and we all hold important roles in how the world is held together you end up with the long jail sentence+ type views. And many of us fall in the middle.
Silly place for the owl to be. It's not like they're endangered or anything, especially if it was one of "many" that live IN the stadium.
Kick hardly looked brutal, how else would you expect a soccer player to get a foreign object off the field?
It would be ridiculous for this guy to face punishment. I doubt he was intentionally trying to kill the animal. Even so, it's really not a huge loss.
Edit: definitely not newsworthy, anyway. Who cares? I know I shouldn't post if I don't have anything constructive to say, it just pisses me off when people go batshit crazy over the death of a common animal.
Edit 2: And as far as picking it up and moving it off the field goes, do you have any idea how aggressive owls can be when you try to handle them? Not to mention the possibility of getting some disease. I'm not saying he made a good or even remotely intelligent decision. I'm just saying get over it.
On March 02 2011 13:33 Manifesto7 wrote: Title says "brutally kicked", but that didn't look like a brutal kick to me. Not that it was the correct thing to do, but he just flipped it off the field.
Who gives a shit about how he worded the act, that's utterly irrelevant.
That was just soul destroying.... Why anybody would conduct themself in that manner is incomprehensible, completly inexcusable. I mean, it would take what, 5 seconds to pick the owl up, move it to the side-lines and then have someone take it off the pitch while the game can continue.
I wouldn't want to live in a world where an instance like this would considered in the slightest bit acceptable.
I personally feel bad that an owl was killed and I definitely wouldn't have kicked it off the field if I were that guy either, but it's interesting to compare this situation to what happened about a year ago when Manu Ginobili, an NBA player, swatted a bat off the court (the bat lived, but from the video it looks like he could've easily accidentally killed it) during the middle of a game.
People seemed to think that what Ginobili did was awesome and cool, but if you kick an owl off the field you are an animal murderer.
SAN ANTONIO (AP)--The Spurs' Manu Ginobili showed off his quick hands-- capturing a bat.
"That was amazing," teammate Tony Parker said after the San Antonio Spurs beat the Sacramento Kings 113-94 on Saturday night. "The legend continues with Manu. Unbelievable. ... He's always doing crazy stuff."
Late in the first period a bat swooped into the AT&T Center and descended onto the court. Players scattered and officials stopped play. The bat circled and left only to return--briefly.
That's when Ginobili performed his Halloween trick, swatting the bat out of the air with a bare hand. He then carried the creature off the court to thunderous cheers.
As the theme song to "Batman" played, a few Sacramento players applauded, too. A trainer emerged to squirt sanitizer on Ginobilil's hand. "When you can't dunk anymore, you have to find a way to make it into the news," Ginobili said. "So that's what I did. I grabbed a bat. I didn't think it was a big deal."
On the court, Parker led the Spurs with 24 points and seven assists, and Ginobili scored 13 points in a reserve role. He ended the first period with a driving layup at the buzzer. Richard Jefferson added 21 points for San Antonio. San Antonio beat Sacramento 113-94.
The only performance anyone wanted to talk about was Ginobili's.
On March 02 2011 13:33 Manifesto7 wrote: Title says "brutally kicked", but that didn't look like a brutal kick to me. Not that it was the correct thing to do, but he just flipped it off the field.
Who gives a shit about how he worded the act, that's utterly irrelevant.
That was just soul destroying.... Why anybody would conduct themself in that manner is incomprehensible, completly inexcusable. I mean, it would take what, 5 seconds to pick the owl up, move it to the side-lines and then have someone take it off the pitch while the game can continue.
I wouldn't want to live in a world where an instance like this would considered in the slightest bit acceptable.
Their are a lot worse things that happen everyday in this world, if an owl dieing is soul destroying then id hate to see your reactions when you turn the news on everyday.
Anyone who thinks that the kick was "brutal" has clearly never touched a soccer ball before in their lives. That's the exact motion you would use to flip a ball up 3 feet to start juggling. It was certainly stupid and inhumane, but it definitely doesn't deserve this kind of media frenzy. Nobody home makes a great point bringing up Manu as well, that incident was certainly more brutal than this one.
Its a big deal because blowing off animal cruelty in such a public manner tells people its okay to treat animals like that. People defend animals more harshly than people because they cant defend themselves. They cant find lawyers and sue people. It's like when chris brown beat up rianna, it was a big deal cause they are famous and when you let people get away with no consequence it shows that the society will allow that behavior. Personally watching that poor owl get kicked was kind of painful. Soccer is his livelihood so a ban is kind of perhaps too far, but some jail time and a few game bans should show people its not something to do lightly.
On March 02 2011 13:33 Manifesto7 wrote: Title says "brutally kicked", but that didn't look like a brutal kick to me. Not that it was the correct thing to do, but he just flipped it off the field.
ROFL flipped yeah ok
left leg came swinging man
Stop with this bs. He didn't even kick it, he tossed it off the field. I don't know if you played soccer before but this is not a kick, this is how you get the ball up in the air if you mess around with friends who stand right near you.
Would you take that kick to the balls? If not, you shouldn't be doing it to an injured bird.
They were nearly 20 feet from the edge of the field. You can't gently kick something 20 feet through the air off the ground.
Would you like someone reading Tom Sawyer to your balls? If not, you shouldn't be doing it to your kids.
Brilliant idea, try everything on your balls and see if you like it.
On March 02 2011 14:00 Runnin wrote: Anyone who thinks that the kick was "brutal" has clearly never touched a soccer ball before in their lives. That's the exact motion you would use to flip a ball up 3 feet to start juggling. It was certainly stupid and inhumane, but it definitely doesn't deserve this kind of media frenzy. Nobody home makes a great point bringing up Manu as well, that incident was certainly more brutal than this one.
Exactly, the idea that the guy was trying to kill a bird is laughable.
On March 02 2011 13:55 nobodyhome wrote: I personally feel bad that an owl was killed and I definitely wouldn't have kicked it off the field if I were that guy either, but it's interesting to compare this situation to what happened about a year ago when Manu Ginobili, an NBA player, swatted a bat off the court (the bat lived, but from the video it looks like he could've easily accidentally killed it) during the middle of a game.
People seemed to think that what Ginobili did was awesome and cool, but if you kick an owl off the field you are an animal murderer.
SAN ANTONIO (AP)--The Spurs' Manu Ginobili showed off his quick hands-- capturing a bat.
"That was amazing," teammate Tony Parker said after the San Antonio Spurs beat the Sacramento Kings 113-94 on Saturday night. "The legend continues with Manu. Unbelievable. ... He's always doing crazy stuff."
Late in the first period a bat swooped into the AT&T Center and descended onto the court. Players scattered and officials stopped play. The bat circled and left only to return--briefly.
That's when Ginobili performed his Halloween trick, swatting the bat out of the air with a bare hand. He then carried the creature off the court to thunderous cheers.
As the theme song to "Batman" played, a few Sacramento players applauded, too. A trainer emerged to squirt sanitizer on Ginobilil's hand. "When you can't dunk anymore, you have to find a way to make it into the news," Ginobili said. "So that's what I did. I grabbed a bat. I didn't think it was a big deal."
On the court, Parker led the Spurs with 24 points and seven assists, and Ginobili scored 13 points in a reserve role. He ended the first period with a driving layup at the buzzer. Richard Jefferson added 21 points for San Antonio. San Antonio beat Sacramento 113-94.
The only performance anyone wanted to talk about was Ginobili's.
the difference is, one is a rodent, with wings, something you'd call pest control over. the other is of a species that is often on the endangered list.
its like if you spilled kool-aid on a kids crayon drawing on the fridge, or the mona lisa. whats the difference, they're both pictures.
Wow I can't believe how much the players of the other team held their composure. If someone kicked an owl like that and I was there I would have probably punched him in the face right after as my initial reaction. Who cares about getting suspended for punching him, you don't kick an animal like that.
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