EPTI think we'll start seeing proper seeding after this whole S-class points system thing. In the meantime I'm enjoying the avoidance of mirror matchups.
GomTV protecting Boxer? - Page 9
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wxwx
527 Posts
I think we'll start seeing proper seeding after this whole S-class points system thing. In the meantime I'm enjoying the avoidance of mirror matchups. | ||
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setzer
United States3284 Posts
On November 30 2010 21:12 IntoTheEmo wrote: This is pretty absurd, basing SC2's success on two players? Boxer himself would not like that at all. If you were a player in the GSL wouldn't you want a fair competition? Blind fanboyism is fine, but really, it's kinda selfish to want the tournament rigged so your favourite player can advance. Like I said before, it may not seem much, but a jump from Ro32 to Ro16 is a pretty significant increase in prize winnings. Screwing people out of $1000 is never fine by any standards. Especially to all the newcomers who make up a large portion of the tournament participants. Everyone wants Boxer to do well, but even the Emperor himself would like to win through fair means. Anyone who thinks rigging is necessary to further develop e-sports, needs to reconsider their stance of supporting e-sports. Take away the fairness of competition, and everything goes downhill from there. PS - HI JAYCEE don't see you posting often here Edit: Also <3 to Metalwing for quoting my post ^^ It may not be absurd from GOM's point of view. The brackets don't exactly seem completely random given the lack of zerg and terran mirrors. If GOM is touching the brackets up a little it makes sense from a business standpoint to help their #1 draw to be as favored as possible by pairing him with his best matchup. Remember last season Boxer played Loner, NaDa and Zergbong past the ro16. These are still all quality opponents. I am not basing SC2's success solely on two players. I am simply stating that SC2's popularity more with Boxer and other big names going deep into the GSL. If you think I am making this up, why not check the viewer ratings for the Korean vods of Boxer's games? | ||
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TehForce
1072 Posts
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Kyouya
Mexico318 Posts
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IntoTheEmo
Singapore1169 Posts
On November 30 2010 21:52 setzer wrote: It may not be absurd from GOM's point of view. The brackets don't exactly seem completely random given the lack of zerg and terran mirrors. If GOM is touching the brackets up a little it makes sense from a business standpoint to help their #1 draw to be as favored as possible by pairing him with his best matchup. Remember last season Boxer played Loner, NaDa and Zergbong past the ro16. These are still all quality opponents. I am not basing SC2's success solely on two players. I am simply stating that SC2's popularity more with Boxer and other big names going deep into the GSL. If you think I am making this up, why not check the viewer ratings for the Korean vods of Boxer's games? Oh, I have no delusions about GOM benefitting from this. I am also aware that Boxer is immensely popular and has tons of views for his games. But the thing is e-sports shouldn't revolve around keeping your top players in your leagues as long as possible. They should stay top from beating the A teamers consistently. That it's not fair to the other players is the main point of my posts in this topic, which I find people are overlooking at the moment, basing their comments on the interests of GOM and its viewers only. And to support my argument, I stated that a difference in a Ro32 and a Ro16 finish is pretty significant in the eyes of a lesser known player. No one disputes the popularity of Boxer, but it is our interest in the long run to keep the playing field fair for everyone. And, I'm not saying that GOM did rig the brackets, but even Plexa agrees that some things look suspicious. All I'm asking for is, think about the players, refer to my post in page 5 to see what I'm trying to get across. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=172934¤tpage=5#85 Also, I'm all for rewarding people who have done well in the past - that's what seeding is for, but favoritism is another thing. On November 30 2010 21:55 Kyouya wrote: If they help Boxer, i don't care. I just want to see Lim Yo-Hwan live That's the kind of self-interest based blind fanboyism I'm worried about. | ||
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clickrush
Switzerland3257 Posts
but even if it looks that way, we cannot spread the word on the biggest sc2 site in the west just because we assume that something might be up. nobody here has any real knowledge about this. no offense but I think this thread should be closed  | ||
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MDew
United States256 Posts
On November 30 2010 22:21 clickrush wrote: I agree that it looks like the brackets are rigged somehow. maybe its a conspiracy or maybe just 1-2 guys who pulled the names out of the box and made some "adjustments" while crossing their fingers and closing their eyes... but even if it looks that way, we cannot spread the word on the biggest sc2 site in the west just because we assume that something might be up. nobody here has any real knowledge about this. no offense but I think this thread should be closed Nobody will ever get real knowledge from them of this is GOM doesn't care because every thread gets closed saying anything negative about them. | ||
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xZiGGY
United Kingdom801 Posts
 but hypothetically speaking its not exactly unheard of for esports games to be rigged or atleast produce a highly dubious set of circumstances xD | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
EDIT: I am going to do some math around it. I'll make a new thread if it is really suspicious. Random map generation could result in imbalanced map choices. But guess what could also result in imbalanced map choices? That is right: Not random map generation. | ||
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machination
United States175 Posts
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Archvil3
Denmark989 Posts
It's however just a theory, nothing I or anyone posting in this thread can be certain of so I wouldnt run around crying MURDER if there actually isn't one. I would say it takes a bit more then just a gut feeling and something that very likely could just be a coinsidence to make such accusations. Not defending GOM. I do agree there could be something about it. Just saying that none of you really know for sure. Worst case is that you are all wrong but its commonly accepted as fact. Some time from now when the talk goes about Boxer in GSL, people will agree that is the truth, completely discrediting Boxers performance and GOMs reputation. | ||
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EasyPush
Sweden70 Posts
On November 30 2010 22:37 machination wrote: An Asian business doing shady things to increase profit potential? BLASPHEMY! Yeah, cause this NEVER happens anywhere else in the world does it.... As for the brackets, it seems likely that GOM somehow fix the brackets to avoid mirror matchups. There have been way too few mirrors statistically in the last few seasons iirc. | ||
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Grebliv
Iceland800 Posts
On November 30 2010 22:24 Koshi wrote: Let me tell you another thing. I have a strong feeling they also rig the map pool. EDIT: I am going to do some math around it. I'll make a new thread if it is really suspicious. Random map generation could result in imbalanced map choices. But guess what could also result in imbalanced map choices? That is right: Not random map generation. you've got stuff figured out, n1. | ||
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clickrush
Switzerland3257 Posts
On November 30 2010 22:24 MDew wrote: Nobody will ever get real knowledge from them of this is GOM doesn't care because every thread gets closed saying anything negative about them. let me explain it a bit better for you: we talk shit about them without having any clue. what do you expect GOM to say about this? that it isnt true? lol this thread is full of hot air, assumptions and wild guesses, but everyone acts like they know something. common guys... this is ridiculous and hurtfull. if somebody had at least a tiny little bit of information then it would be all different but this is only shittalk. | ||
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SilverPotato
United States560 Posts
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kuroshiro
United Kingdom378 Posts
I normally would ignore this kind of post and wouldn't say anything but the title totally irks me. It's essentially defamation of GOM (libel, to be technical). Close or edit. | ||
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Bleb
Croatia278 Posts
From boxers point of view it was tvt ro 64 followed with winner of tvz matchup (polt vs joon) ro32 if he advances he will play against tvz winner (jinro vs moon) ro 16 do you honestly think they can predict if jinro's going to win against moon? especially considering map pool (scraps. xel, blister) considering how few Protosses made it into ro 64 matchups seam normal. | ||
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mOnion
United States5657 Posts
On November 30 2010 22:59 SilverPotato wrote: So you're saying that because he gets matched against the most common race in the GSL he's bad against the other races? Check your facts. actually the opposite would be true. but yes all Boxer knows how to do well is TvT. He got 0-4'd in a pathetic showing last season and the one Bo3 TvP I saw him play was incredibly lackluster as well. Boxer's a mediocre player at best who's riding his TvT dominance. Hopefully he meets a zerg or protoss soon. | ||
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Firereaver
India1701 Posts
Anyway hoping you get over your 'delusion of persecution' worldview! | ||
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ItsMeDomLee
Canada2732 Posts
Moreover, you're making an ass out of everyone with these assumptions. | ||
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