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sleepingdog
Profile Joined August 2008
Austria6145 Posts
November 30 2010 09:03 GMT
#121
Lol this is ridiculous - while it might be possible that they gave him a TvT in Ro64, there's NO frickin way, they could possibly guarantee this for later rounds. So what if his "later" T-opponents lost their respective TvZ, TvP? Or do you also claim that the later T-opponents got placed against bad Z and P-players to make them win and have more TvT for Boxer?
The only thing obvious is that gomtv wanted Boxer vs Nada, the rest is absurd.
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Nemireck
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1875 Posts
November 30 2010 09:03 GMT
#122
On November 30 2010 17:53 adeezy wrote:
I don't see how randomly generated ro64 brackets would be better. At that sample size. Could you imagine the uproar if Ret vs Idra was first round or something of the sort. No matter what, I prefer seeding, even if you think it gives people an advantage. I say this also coming from a tourney competitor back when I used to play random fighting games.


They wouldn't be any better, they'd only remove the intentional advantage that's given to the best players at a given tournament. Randomly generated brackets would likely result in lower ratings (why watch the rest of the tournament if the 2 best players play in the ro64?), which would result in lost revenue (why pay for advertising if everyone stopped watching after the ro64?), which would result in less exposure to the population (why bother televising the tournament if no one's watching?), which would result in less competitive players (why play a game no one cares about?), which would result in the death of the tournament scene (why keep competing if the same 64 players keep playing with nearly the same results every single time?).
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Nemireck
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1875 Posts
November 30 2010 09:05 GMT
#123
On November 30 2010 17:58 NrG.ZaM wrote:
GOM so trying to give boxer a free ride, I mean, half the terrans in GSL2 were on his side of the bracket. HALF, on HALF the bracket! Unacceptable.

They're even doing the same thing in GSL3, half the terran players are on each side of the bracket, this is madness! I've never seen this kind of favoritism before, completely stacking half the bracket just to give boxer a better shot.


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adeezy
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1428 Posts
November 30 2010 09:09 GMT
#124
On November 30 2010 18:03 Nemireck wrote:
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On November 30 2010 17:53 adeezy wrote:
I don't see how randomly generated ro64 brackets would be better. At that sample size. Could you imagine the uproar if Ret vs Idra was first round or something of the sort. No matter what, I prefer seeding, even if you think it gives people an advantage. I say this also coming from a tourney competitor back when I used to play random fighting games.


They wouldn't be any better, they'd only remove the intentional advantage that's given to the best players at a given tournament. Randomly generated brackets would likely result in lower ratings (why watch the rest of the tournament if the 2 best players play in the ro64?), which would result in lost revenue (why pay for advertising if everyone stopped watching after the ro64?), which would result in less exposure to the population (why bother televising the tournament if no one's watching?), which would result in less competitive players (why play a game no one cares about?), which would result in the death of the tournament scene (why keep competing if the same 64 players keep playing with nearly the same results every single time?).


It's common consensus that people address random seeded brackets as worse. And the main point I was arguing is the intentional advantage people are trying to prove is not apparent when you look at the bracket as a whole.
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ScarletKnight
Profile Joined August 2010
United States691 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-30 09:11:13
November 30 2010 09:10 GMT
#125
This is a bit silly. If GOM was truly setting it up so Boxer would get a majority of TvT's they would not only have to fix the brackets but also go through match fixing as well to guarantee his opponents were Terran players. And to suggest that GOM is match fixing is just well.. stupid. Everyone saw what happened to Savior and how disgraced he was. And in the age of the internet it's almost impossible to keep anything that huge a secret as far as this tournament is concerned.

Could I see they fixing the brackets? Yeah sure, he's a famous player that people love to watch and while I don't see that doing much as far as expanding the popularity of SC2 it is fun to watch him play. The best thing for the game would to have it create their own stars. Guys like Foxer who were never big in BW are huge SC2 stars now and I find that better than having cross-over stars coming to play.
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shire
Profile Joined August 2010
United States405 Posts
November 30 2010 09:20 GMT
#126
man... i bet if gom put idra vs ret in round of 64 i bet u guys would hate gom saying how koreans dont' want foreigners in gsl.

rigged or not rigged...

there will always be people that if u give them a steak they will say why can't i have sushi. if you give them sushi, they will say why can't i have a steak.
shire
Profile Joined August 2010
United States405 Posts
November 30 2010 09:23 GMT
#127
however, gom did show favoritism by making boxer play last round of 64. giving him (and his opponent) ltos of time to prepare
adeezy
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1428 Posts
November 30 2010 09:30 GMT
#128
On November 30 2010 18:23 shire wrote:
however, gom did show favoritism by making boxer play last round of 64. giving him (and his opponent) ltos of time to prepare


I would like to think that's more.... Saving the best for last =)
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Snowbear
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Korea (South)1925 Posts
November 30 2010 09:34 GMT
#129
Am I the only one questioning the fact that ret his 2 last maps were steppes and jungle basin (= most anti zerg maps ever)?
Excomm
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States152 Posts
November 30 2010 09:35 GMT
#130
If you could find statistics that in the open qualifiers he faced a similarly disparate ratio of TvT matchups, I would find this theory to be more believable. I don't find it all that surprising that in a tournament style format consisting mostly of terran and zerg a player would find themselves facing a terran opponent a majority of the time. It's not like GOM controls who wins or loses (at least it seems that way for now, but the sport has been tainted permanently by betting scandals, so I wouldn't be surprised if a few of the matches were paid off).
shire
Profile Joined August 2010
United States405 Posts
November 30 2010 09:37 GMT
#131
On November 30 2010 18:30 adeezy wrote:
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On November 30 2010 18:23 shire wrote:
however, gom did show favoritism by making boxer play last round of 64. giving him (and his opponent) ltos of time to prepare


I would like to think that's more.... Saving the best for last =)



lol perhaps you are right.

oh and one more thing to add.

if gom wanted to give boxer free ride,

they should have made polt.prime's ro64 opponent terran instead of zerg. so who ever wins out of that match would a terran.

boxer's opponent in ro64 could have been a zerg.

and some people might say polt's opponent zerg wasn't good so it was expected... or something of.

but then game is still new. leenock performed very well in season 3 compare to his loss to nada in season 2. also kyrix and zenio played amazing in season 2 compare to season 1.
lol12tree
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada88 Posts
November 30 2010 09:38 GMT
#132
hey guys i've never been a boxer fan, i think hes over hyped. but heck people like him, i dont mind. he still has to "win". And lets be honest, we all know how good someone is once we see them play in game. If your bad you can't hide it. From what we can tell, boxer seems like a solid player, hes not a LEGEND @ sc2 by any means but he can definitely hold his own up there.
emythrel
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom2599 Posts
November 30 2010 09:39 GMT
#133
Seems far more likely that they simply seed players like every other sport so that the top ranked players don't meet until the quarter finals.

When you watch tennis you will never see Nadal and Federer play each other in a tourney before the final. Thats because they are seeded 1 and 2 and therefore are at opposite ends of the bracket.

This is prolly whats happening at GOM, they seed players so that they dont have the "top 16" players meet until as far down the bracket as possible.
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HwangjaeTerran
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Finland5967 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-30 09:44:04
November 30 2010 09:42 GMT
#134
OP's logic fails after ro64 right?
So actually BoxeR has got 2 TvT's by GOM at max.
The other 5 came to him by chance.
Maybe his matchup right now is TvT because he has had to play it so much, his TvP looked pretty good too, would like to see more of that. (and TvZ ofc)
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MICHELLE
Profile Joined June 2010
Korea (South)199 Posts
November 30 2010 09:49 GMT
#135
On November 30 2010 13:38 Looky wrote:
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On November 30 2010 13:34 PanoRaMa wrote:
What makes you think TvT is his best matchup?


he said in a interview its his best mu.

anyways i think its rigged too since there were so many zergs and yet he gets to face terran in the 1st round.


He never said that in interview, he said it's his favorite mashup
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TMStarcraft
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia686 Posts
November 30 2010 09:53 GMT
#136
If you knew anything about statistics you would know that 9 matches is not sufficient enough a dataset to base anything on. When there have been 30 Boxer GSL matches then post again please That's not sarcasm, I'd actually be interested in the figures.
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jaycee
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia62 Posts
November 30 2010 09:53 GMT
#137
Brackets need to be telecast being drawn out of a hat (a la World Cup) or have published cedings prior to the draw.

I'm not saying they were fudged, but moving forwards, the above will avoid a lot of threads similar to the OP.
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shire
Profile Joined August 2010
United States405 Posts
November 30 2010 09:58 GMT
#138
On November 30 2010 18:53 jaycee wrote:
Brackets need to be telecast being drawn out of a hat (a la World Cup) or have published cedings prior to the draw.

I'm not saying they were fudged, but moving forwards, the above will avoid a lot of threads similar to the OP.



even in world cup, they dont have 4 european teams or south american teams in a same bracket.
HiHiByeBye
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada365 Posts
November 30 2010 09:59 GMT
#139
Well if the brackets are rigged it shouldnt b surprising. I know that star NBA players gets to the free throw line more because refs like to give them the favorable call.
SiNoCiDe
Profile Joined September 2010
Turkey67 Posts
November 30 2010 10:06 GMT
#140
On November 30 2010 16:14 rawk wrote:
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On November 30 2010 15:47 TheDoctor wrote:
On November 30 2010 13:52 Klamity wrote:
The current ratio in TvT is 50% T wins. I think it's an extremely fair matchup.



actually its 100% T wins, you fail at basic math

No you do. Say you have 3 TvT's, theres 6 T's playing, 3 win, so terrans win 3 games but terrans also lose 3 games, hence terran having a 50% winning percentage.


Your correct, however he stated "current ratio" and not winning percentage . There is a difference.

That would mean out of 3 TvTs . Terran won 3 times. 3/3 = 1 = 100%.

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