EPTOn November 21 2010 20:50 Lawdy wrote:
It's not like we didn't have them for weeks or anything.
It's not like we didn't have them for weeks or anything.
Good point. This Genius thing adds more fuel to the fire.
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Lennon
United Kingdom2275 Posts
Good point. This Genius thing adds more fuel to the fire. | ||
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lol12tree
Canada88 Posts
On November 21 2010 20:58 Supamang wrote: Sorry man, but I think thats a stupid notion. Genius is a pro player, far better than any of his fans. He would know the nuances of the races much better than any of us, so he wouldnt need any input from his fans. Furthermore, most of his fans would follow him because they like Protoss. Of course they would prefer that hed stay as Protoss above anything else. This sounds like he wants to make the threat but is trying to be sneaky about it, like "No im not an attention whore! Im just asking for input!" whats up with this biasism, when dimaga voiced his concern and change from Z to possibly T , people took him seriously, so why not genius? Does Dimaga have some sort of special credit behind him that genius doesn't? Fill me in on this one. | ||
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ParasitJonte
Sweden1768 Posts
On November 21 2010 20:54 speedphlux wrote: Well, if I'm correct, every single patch since the BETA, either was nerfing Protoss or didn't do anything with them. Yeah, sure you can call the new level 1 Void Ray attack buffed, but Protoss air is still ... nowhere. Phoenixes have SOME use, Void Rays have SOME use, but that's it. There comes a time in each game in which your Terran or Zerg opponent have Vikings (or Thors, or BOTH) or Corruptors (or Infestors, or BOTH) and pretty much your whole air becomes nullified. In general, Protoss Air is only good as SURPRISE tactic. Nuff said ? Same goes with Robo units - "Hey, I've got me a crittical mass of Collossi ! Ops - Tanks, Burrowing Roaches, Vikings, Corruptors, Infestors, Bane-drops, EMP, Stimmed Maroders and so on, comes your way.". Or "Hey, Double-Robo Immortals IS DA SHIT ! Ops, Zerglings, Marines, EMP, Thors and Hydras ... And you're dead.". Even if you look back at BETA/Release times, when TLO was still playing Random, he sucked as Protoss, because he didn't had much options. Everything Protoss does gets countered from the other races, not by specific builds, but by playing straight up normal tech path. While the opposite isn't true. Zerg makes Mutas - shit, I better get cannons in my mineral lines and few Stalkers here and there. Terran goes bio-ball timing attack - shit, I don't have enough Sentries, Collossi, Templars. No wonder people want to change away from Protoss. Protosses aren't that underpowered... No stats or data anywhere would begin to even remotely suggest that. But it's easier to snipe protosses from tournaments because it's a fragile race. Just watch SangHo's first game vs Foxer in GSL. SangHo misplaces a force field or something and that loses him the game. Now watch Tester vs Foxer semi-finals allstar tournament, game 2 on metalopolis. Tester's second sentry comes out ~5 seconds too late and he can't force field his ramp and he's dead. I don't see many problems with PvZ. But PvT early game is just not fun to play. It's unfair, boring and sometimes just ridiculous. | ||
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gnutz
Germany666 Posts
At Pros complaining about whining pros? what do you think of early game TvP? (the reason the most protoss are complaining). Sometimes it looks like the 5rax reaper opening in TvZ if terran plays banshee/raven. (It looks like it, dont know how it is in reality on pro level) | ||
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Lennon
United Kingdom2275 Posts
On November 21 2010 21:00 lol12tree wrote: whats up with this biasism, when dimaga voiced his concern and change from Z to possibly T , people took him seriously, so why not genius? Does Dimaga have some sort of special credit behind him that genius doesn't? Fill me in on this one. Because back then Zerg was clearly underpowered and all Zergs were in uproar about it. | ||
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lol12tree
Canada88 Posts
He may be implying such but he did not say so directly. Heck maybe he thinks PvP is the problem or maybe even PvZ. Lets just not point fngers @ Terran. Discuss is one thing but it seems like everyone has some how magically found out that genius is switching specifically due to PvT (as much as a problem we toss players and most players think it is) we do not know that for certain. | ||
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Licmyobelisk
Philippines3682 Posts
On November 21 2010 20:57 lol12tree wrote: and you can say that with 100% certainty? right. I think as a pro gamer yourself you should respect other progamer's voice. Sure it may seem BS to you, but until the day I am pretty sure "If you want switch race just fucking switch race and don't bother us with these ridiculous threats. " is just disrespect last I checked, he didn't post this on TL. damn man, you sure do love nexgenius with all your heart and soul hahahahahaha | ||
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goldenwitch
United States338 Posts
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
On November 21 2010 21:00 lol12tree wrote: whats up with this biasism, when dimaga voiced his concern and change from Z to possibly T , people took him seriously, so why not genius? Does Dimaga have some sort of special credit behind him that genius doesn't? Fill me in on this one. What Dimaga (and Fruitdealer) did was not cool either. It's not that Fruitdealer/Dimaga have more credibility but just the fact that these statements keep piling up and at one point people catch on to the bs that they are. These guys are all amazing players and they don't need this at all. | ||
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Darksoldierr
Hungary2012 Posts
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Vimsey
United Kingdom2235 Posts
On November 21 2010 20:45 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Getting tired of these people threatening to change race. It's whichever race isn't winning tournaments immediately complains about everything. Very annoying and sad. If you want switch race just fucking switch race and don't bother us with these ridiculous threats. It's so obvious the only reason they do this is not because they believe in the balance they proclaim but only because they are looking out for themselves and want an easier time winning shit. The worst thing of it all may just be that people actually logon to TL and use the opinion of these players to support their balance whines, even though it's pretty damn obvious none of these players actually have a clue about balance and just want their own race to be better. In a way I'm glad it's a Protoss doing it now because now if I yell at him I won't be attacked by angry Zerg and Terran players saying that it isn't my race that is underpowered. Shouldnt Genius be afforded a bit more trust in his words considering he said to Artosis at the end of GSL2 that he thought that Protoss was the strongest race? If he was playing that game then he wouldnt have fallen for Artosis' troll face and pointy finger indicating to all us noobs that Genius agreed with him. But I do agree it is getting tired with players emailing David Kim and it working it was inevitable though when money is involved. | ||
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Ramble
Sweden877 Posts
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lol12tree
Canada88 Posts
On November 21 2010 21:06 Ramble wrote: Nazgul while you are here, mind if shoot you a rather OT question? Will we see you in any future tournaments at all? I liked your play at MLG Dallas. ya why dont u go to the GSL? GSL not enough toss, more toss the better! /offtopic may people please translate some of the korean fan responses? | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
On November 21 2010 21:06 Ramble wrote: Nazgul while you are here, mind if shoot you a rather OT question? Will we see you in any future tournaments at all? I liked your play at MLG Dallas. I'll drop you a PM don't want to go OT here. | ||
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NexUmbra
Scotland3776 Posts
On November 21 2010 20:33 lol12tree wrote: huh? its not like they are running around saying, MY RACE IS UP, IMA CHANGE !!!! No. Its Genius that wants to change and asking fans which would they rather him change to. HE HAS ALREADY MADE UP HIS MIND TO CHANGE HIS RACE. That is very different than Genius asking "should I change race?" Yeah, half the people in this thread don't seem to understand  | ||
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Flaunt
New Zealand784 Posts
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GrazerRinge
999 Posts
I think many p just lose very often because when they get a tech decision (gateway / colossi / ht), they let them the opponent way too much time to counter it. Especially p vs t, there were so many cases that p won first big battles, but then lost because their colossi is wiped out in next battle by tons of vikings and the maruaders do the rest. I see tons of p streams on TL who are really solid (response, TTOne etc) and the full potential of p is not fully used yet since most people were focused on the gameplay of t (by easy mechanic and good harass ability till first major patch, also imo with least changes compared to sc1) and z (complicated to play, but very challenging and speedy race when you can pull it off) But i think p could need a buff which would make their only gateway units more valuable like stronger guardian shield. (e.g.: less damage dealt when attacked my heavy armored unit or max 20 damage; you know what i mean ^^) | ||
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Critical loss
France31 Posts
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ace246
Australia360 Posts
On November 21 2010 21:01 gnutz wrote: If you come from Wc3/WoW you know that whining is a constant factor in playing Blizzards games. It comes down naturally to the fact that Blizzard decided to patch the game. It's obvious that all players, especially progamers want to make their race easier, but sometimes they are right imo. At Pros complaining about whining pros? what do you think of early game TvP? (the reason the most protoss are complaining). Sometimes it looks like the 5rax reaper opening in TvZ if terran plays banshee/raven. (It looks like it, dont know how it is in reality on pro level) imba whining pretty much derived from wc3 community and that whining phenomenon has been infected to the sc2 community. I don't recall imba whining during the BW era. | ||
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rasnj
United States1959 Posts
On November 21 2010 20:54 speedphlux wrote: Well, if I'm correct, every single patch since the BETA, either was nerfing Protoss or didn't do anything with them. Yeah, sure you can call the new level 1 Void Ray attack buffed, but Protoss air is still ... nowhere. Phoenixes have SOME use, Void Rays have SOME use, but that's it. There comes a time in each game in which your Terran or Zerg opponent have Vikings (or Thors, or BOTH) or Corruptors (or Infestors, or BOTH) and pretty much your whole air becomes nullified. In general, Protoss Air is only good as SURPRISE tactic. Nuff said ? Same goes with Robo units - "Hey, I've got me a crittical mass of Collossi ! Ops - Tanks, Burrowing Roaches, Vikings, Corruptors, Infestors, Bane-drops, EMP, Stimmed Maroders and so on, comes your way.". Or "Hey, Double-Robo Immortals IS DA SHIT ! Ops, Zerglings, Marines, EMP, Thors and Hydras ... And you're dead.". Even if you look back at BETA/Release times, when TLO was still playing Random, he sucked as Protoss, because he didn't had much options. Everything Protoss does gets countered from the other races, not by specific builds, but by playing straight up normal tech path. While the opposite isn't true. Zerg makes Mutas - shit, I better get cannons in my mineral lines and few Stalkers here and there. Terran goes bio-ball timing attack - shit, I don't have enough Sentries, Collossi, Templars. No wonder people want to change away from Protoss. Then why don't you switch? (Assuming you're toss which your probe avatar suggests) I really don't understand this half-assed heroic attitude in the sc2 community. It seems that everyone chooses the race they believe to be the weakest, and keep reminding us how they stick with race X and should be lauded for it. Yet they don't carry through with the heroic attitude and feel that since they were heroic enough to stick with X they are entitled to use every single TL thread to bitch about how bad X is. It is a COMPETITIVE game for fucks sake. That means you do what you can to compete for victory (as in sc2 victory, not as in moral victory). Choosing a weak race seems to me to be a weak strategical move, just like going 17hatch. If a person goes 17hatch and keeps complaining that 14hatching people have an advantage people don't commend the 17hatching player for sticking to his guns. It is Blizzard's job to balance the game, but if you believe you are at a disadvantage (whether from inferior strategy, inferior micro, inferior macro, or inferior race) you try to overcome it (whether by improving micro/macro, or trying new races/strategies). NexGenius is free to switch, and he is free to share his thoughts, but I don't really understand why people feel such a need to bitch about it. It's not like you get 1 free race-switch; you can switch whenever you want. | ||
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