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They should bring the VR back to it's imbaness I think the problem is that toss doesn't have that many openings in PvT...
or NexGenius is pretty bad in decision making...
On November 21 2010 20:45 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Getting tired of these people threatening to change race. It's whichever race isn't winning tournaments immediately complains about everything. Very annoying and sad. If you want switch race just fucking switch race and don't bother us with these ridiculous threats.
I guess it's just not the same as before naz... I don't know how this whining shit started but it's turning into an EMO TREND FEST...
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I hope he will switch  and after 3-5 month nobody will remember him or he will switch back !
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Are we seriously going to kill this thread , the only serious thread on the current protoss problem by adding all these troll/unrealistic buff suggestions? really?
As a protoss player myself I am ashamed of some of these suggestions, "faster warp gate research?"
wth? As a 1900 toss , that is FINE. This thread is on Genius and we should be speculating more information on what he and people around him have to say and not what every other toss has to whine about.
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Getting bored of reading about top players planning to switch races unless Blizzard does something. Now we'll have Protoss underpowered threads for a week.
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Protoss is really an interesting race. Feels both really strong and weak. I wouldn't think there's anything wrong with it if it were not for the tournament results. Now...I just don't know. It's certainly sad to see these really good P players not showing good results. I just want to watch GSL and see P players in there.
I understand why he'd want to switch if he thinks he won't get far with P. Hope he won't switch, though.
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I don't think they like to whine themselves. It is just that they think (and with good reason) that whining and threathening to change do accelerate Blizzard's patches.
Look what happened after Cool whined. This combined with the fact that it is public knowledge that CheckPrime is in constant contact with David Kim and has been sending Blizzard "whine e-mails" lead to patches that significantly buffed zerg. Without those 2 patches, GSL 1 ,2,and 3 might have different winners. The "whining" was so succesful that Check said he received a lot of flame for that and said that he'll shut up for now.
But considering the potential financial reward and how compeititive future GSLs will be, this is the best time to get wins becaus it is gonna get harder for everyone. I think it makes complete sense to whine to get a buff especially with the dwindling Protoss number and the real possibility of not having any P in ro4 for the third time in a row.
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On November 21 2010 20:19 Critical loss wrote:based on his post in playxp: http://www.playxp.com/sc2/bbs/view.php?article_id=2354027&page=2In this post he said "I'm considering changing my race. Please recommend the race which seems to be more suitable for me" He thinks protoss is so underpowered that no one playing protoss can actually win the tournament like GSL.
Regarding the part you quoted, is that ALL he said? Because if it is, he isn't really whining, but just asking for the public's opinion.
If he did actually complain etc, could you translate what he said?
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On November 21 2010 20:47 Fantistic wrote:
Getting bored of reading about top players planning to switch races unless Blizzard does something. Now we'll have Protoss underpowered threads for a week.
It's not like we didn't have them for weeks or anything.
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On November 21 2010 20:45 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Getting tired of these people threatening to change race. It's whichever race isn't winning tournaments immediately complains about everything. Very annoying and sad. If you want switch race just fucking switch race and don't bother us with these ridiculous threats.
It's so obvious the only reason they do this is not because they believe in the balance they proclaim but only because they are looking out for themselves and want an easier time winning shit.
Again not to be a prick but if you actually read more clearly; Genius says that he is asking the fans which race to change to, he is not threating to change his race. I repeat, he is NOT threatening to change his race. He has already decided to give up on protoss he is asking the fans which way they want him to go. That sounds very reasonable to me.
Sure people can turn this into a whine party but is that genius responsibility? Heck genius is not even asking us (presumably) hes asking his korean fans.
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On November 21 2010 20:49 dtz wrote:
I don't think they like to whine themselves. It is just that they think (and with good reason) that whining and threathening to change do accelerate Blizzard's patches.
Look what happened after Cool whined. This combined with the fact that it is public knowledge that CheckPrime is in constant contact with David Kim and has been sending Blizzard "whine e-mails" lead to patches that significantly buffed zerg. Without those 2 patches, GSL 1 ,2,and 3 might have different winners. The "whining" was so succesful that Check said he received a lot of flame for that and said that he'll shut up for now.
But considering the potential financial reward and how compeititive future GSLs will be, this is the best time to get wins becaus it is gonna get harder for everyone. I think it makes complete sense to whine to get a buff especially with the dwindling Protoss number and the real possibility of not having any P in ro4 for the third time in a row.
Oh I see, it's more of a business thing not a passion anymore amirite?
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On November 21 2010 20:50 lol12tree wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 20:45 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Getting tired of these people threatening to change race. It's whichever race isn't winning tournaments immediately complains about everything. Very annoying and sad. If you want switch race just fucking switch race and don't bother us with these ridiculous threats.
It's so obvious the only reason they do this is not because they believe in the balance they proclaim but only because they are looking out for themselves and want an easier time winning shit. Again not to be a prick but if you actually read more clearly; Genius says that he is asking the fans which race to change to, he is not threating to change his race. I repeat, he is NOT threatening to change his race. He has already decided to give up on protoss he is asking the fans which way they want him to go. That sounds very reasonable to me. Sure people can turn this into a whine party but is that genius responsibility? Heck genius is not even asking us (presumably) hes asking his korean fans.
The OP translation says he is considering changing his race. So that means he has not decided yet. Unless you have a more accurate translation in which case ignore this.
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On November 21 2010 20:51 dtz wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 20:50 lol12tree wrote:On November 21 2010 20:45 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Getting tired of these people threatening to change race. It's whichever race isn't winning tournaments immediately complains about everything. Very annoying and sad. If you want switch race just fucking switch race and don't bother us with these ridiculous threats.
It's so obvious the only reason they do this is not because they believe in the balance they proclaim but only because they are looking out for themselves and want an easier time winning shit. Again not to be a prick but if you actually read more clearly; Genius says that he is asking the fans which race to change to, he is not threating to change his race. I repeat, he is NOT threatening to change his race. He has already decided to give up on protoss he is asking the fans which way they want him to go. That sounds very reasonable to me. Sure people can turn this into a whine party but is that genius responsibility? Heck genius is not even asking us (presumably) hes asking his korean fans. The OP translation says he is considering changing his race. So that means he has not decided yet. Unless you have a more accurate translation in which case ignore this.
Bad wording on my part, my argument still stands however that he is not threating to change race, merely asking fans for directions they would like to see him head towards.
(logically one would assume he has already decided on "changing race" for had he not, he would not ask fans for guidance to select another race)
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LOL, I thought he said that protoss was OP, so much for that...
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Well, if I'm correct, every single patch since the BETA, either was nerfing Protoss or didn't do anything with them.
Yeah, sure you can call the new level 1 Void Ray attack buffed, but Protoss air is still ... nowhere. Phoenixes have SOME use, Void Rays have SOME use, but that's it. There comes a time in each game in which your Terran or Zerg opponent have Vikings (or Thors, or BOTH) or Corruptors (or Infestors, or BOTH) and pretty much your whole air becomes nullified. In general, Protoss Air is only good as SURPRISE tactic. Nuff said ?
Same goes with Robo units - "Hey, I've got me a crittical mass of Collossi ! Ops - Tanks, Burrowing Roaches, Vikings, Corruptors, Infestors, Bane-drops, EMP, Stimmed Maroders and so on, comes your way.". Or "Hey, Double-Robo Immortals IS DA SHIT ! Ops, Zerglings, Marines, EMP, Thors and Hydras ... And you're dead.".
Even if you look back at BETA/Release times, when TLO was still playing Random, he sucked as Protoss, because he didn't had much options. Everything Protoss does gets countered from the other races, not by specific builds, but by playing straight up normal tech path. While the opposite isn't true. Zerg makes Mutas - shit, I better get cannons in my mineral lines and few Stalkers here and there. Terran goes bio-ball timing attack - shit, I don't have enough Sentries, Collossi, Templars. No wonder people want to change away from Protoss.
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I'd be happy if blizzard just got their head out of their arse and started balancing the game for progaming instead of trying to fix it on all levels, 2v2 silver bloody ridiculous.
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Changing races because you aren't skilled enough to hang with the one you play is one thing, changing because you are SOL and the race you play is underpowered is another.
Remember these guys are professional gamers, their objective is to make a living and dominate the scene.
If they are held back by things that are beyond their control (blizzard's idea of balance) when playing a race, the best thing they can do for themselves as professionals is to pick a stronger race.
Obviously they have to measure any setbacks that might cause (learning new style of play with a new race takes time) but look at ssks for example...
He has practiced terran here and there for a while and is quite good with it. So him changing to terran would be a great move if protoss stays the way it is.
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On November 21 2010 20:50 lol12tree wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 20:45 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Getting tired of these people threatening to change race. It's whichever race isn't winning tournaments immediately complains about everything. Very annoying and sad. If you want switch race just fucking switch race and don't bother us with these ridiculous threats.
It's so obvious the only reason they do this is not because they believe in the balance they proclaim but only because they are looking out for themselves and want an easier time winning shit. Again not to be a prick but if you actually read more clearly; Genius says that he is asking the fans which race to change to, he is not threating to change his race. I repeat, he is NOT threatening to change his race. He has already decided to give up on protoss he is asking the fans which way they want him to go. That sounds very reasonable to me. Sure people can turn this into a whine party but is that genius responsibility? Heck genius is not even asking us (presumably) hes asking his korean fans.
Obviously he isn't going to ever let your opinion influence whichever race he will switch to (which I highly doubt he will do). He is going to play Protoss in the foreseeable future and is not going to switch at all. It's just another way of getting peoples attention and sadly enough it's working. I'll eat my words if he joins the next tournament as z/t. Absolutely no way I see that happening.
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On November 21 2010 20:49 Firebolt145 wrote:Regarding the part you quoted, is that ALL he said? Because if it is, he isn't really whining, but just asking for the public's opinion. If he did actually complain etc, could you translate what he said?
There is nothing written but he complained on Gisado stream.
He just said that he felt hard to play protoss against other races because of imbalance.
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On November 21 2010 20:55 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 20:50 lol12tree wrote:On November 21 2010 20:45 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Getting tired of these people threatening to change race. It's whichever race isn't winning tournaments immediately complains about everything. Very annoying and sad. If you want switch race just fucking switch race and don't bother us with these ridiculous threats.
It's so obvious the only reason they do this is not because they believe in the balance they proclaim but only because they are looking out for themselves and want an easier time winning shit. Again not to be a prick but if you actually read more clearly; Genius says that he is asking the fans which race to change to, he is not threating to change his race. I repeat, he is NOT threatening to change his race. He has already decided to give up on protoss he is asking the fans which way they want him to go. That sounds very reasonable to me. Sure people can turn this into a whine party but is that genius responsibility? Heck genius is not even asking us (presumably) hes asking his korean fans. Obviously he isn't going to ever let your opinion influence whichever race he will switch to (which I highly doubt he will do). He is going to play Protoss in the foreseeable future and is not going to switch at all. It's just another way of getting peoples attention and sadly enough it's working.
and you can say that with 100% certainty?
right. I think as a pro gamer yourself you should respect other progamer's voice. Sure it may seem BS to you, but until the day I am pretty sure "If you want switch race just fucking switch race and don't bother us with these ridiculous threats. " is just disrespect
last I checked, he didn't post this on TL.
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On November 21 2010 20:50 lol12tree wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 20:45 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Getting tired of these people threatening to change race. It's whichever race isn't winning tournaments immediately complains about everything. Very annoying and sad. If you want switch race just fucking switch race and don't bother us with these ridiculous threats.
It's so obvious the only reason they do this is not because they believe in the balance they proclaim but only because they are looking out for themselves and want an easier time winning shit. Again not to be a prick but if you actually read more clearly; Genius says that he is asking the fans which race to change to, he is not threating to change his race. I repeat, he is NOT threatening to change his race. He has already decided to give up on protoss he is asking the fans which way they want him to go. That sounds very reasonable to me. Sure people can turn this into a whine party but is that genius responsibility? Heck genius is not even asking us (presumably) hes asking his korean fans.
Sorry man, but I think thats a stupid notion. Genius is a pro player, far better than any of his fans. He would know the nuances of the races much better than any of us, so he wouldnt need any input from his fans. Furthermore, most of his fans would follow him because they like Protoss. Of course they would prefer that hed stay as Protoss above anything else.
This sounds like he wants to make the threat but is trying to be sneaky about it, like "No im not an attention whore! Im just asking for input!"
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