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On November 21 2010 23:17 Fantistic wrote:
Another reason why I dislike these threads is that Genius probably won't switch race at all. Next time a pro wants to blow off steam and exaggerate about imbalance, do it without saying "I'll switch race if Blizzard doesn't do something.". Otherwise, it spawns these types of threads which ultimately ends in yet another balance discussion.
I really struggle to see why you bother posting stuff like this. First off it's clear you haven't read anything about this besides probably the title. The guy posted a question about switching race to one site in Korea. He didn't say "unless Blizz changes x", he didn't say "toss is UP". He just asked a small calm question to a community.
TL gets their hands on it and it's a 10 page rage thread about how Genius is raging and whining to everyone. Where is the sense.
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On November 21 2010 23:19 ensis wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 23:17 Fantistic wrote:
Another reason why I dislike these threads is that Genius probably won't switch race at all. Next time a pro wants to blow off steam and exaggerate about imbalance, do it without saying "I'll switch race if Blizzard doesn't do something.". Otherwise, it spawns these types of threads which ultimately ends in yet another balance discussion. well, the first one was dimaga alongside with fruitdealer, latter won the first gsl. the next one was foxer, i think, he got 2nd in 2nd gsl and now genius wants to change.... maybe it helps!
Don't forget BoxeR threatening to switch to random if Terran isn't buffed.
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On November 21 2010 22:57 ace246 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 22:38 Tone_ wrote:
Okay let's think about it with a small amount of logic from start to finish.
If you play a game professionally and are good at it but consistently get under-par results then I'd imagine it does get frustrating. This may cause you to put the occasional rant on a forum or something (Fruitdealer, Boxer). These are some of the highest level players so until you are at their level I don't see how people can compare their own, or any other "whiners" situations to theirs.
Secondly he is posting a fairly calm, question based post within his own community. Nazgul and othe mods, tbh if it pisses you off then why do you have this stuff on the forums. Did he come to TL and post it? No. So what's happening is we're taking something that wasn't even posted to TL, and bitching about how he's shoving his complaining down our throats?
</logic> The most intelligent post i've seen in this thread. Looking at the playxp discussion, no one there is arguing about it at all, they just vote off the race they want and yet here, we have a bunch of arguments about nothing which could possibly be something but no proof that it is. Nazgul and other people are ranting about how genius is complaining about the balance issue yet if you go to the original source, it was just presented as a simple question and genius did not even spread the word beyond playxp, just some TL bystander who happened to see his post and posted it here, instigating useless arguments that have no proof.
Again, why would he genuinely consider his "fans" opinion for what race he should play? it doesnt make sense. He knows the game better than his fans so he knows what race would suit his play style better. PLUS, people who vote in that poll will either be his actual fans who will predominately vote Protoss, or theyll be people who know who he is who will vote Terran or Zerg. There is no rational reason to ask his fans what race he should play, since his true fans will mostly want him to stay protoss.
People who are famous know they are famous. Especially in Korea where the game has more cultural influence, things he says in a blog will be known by a much wider audience. Celebrities here do stupid shit all the time and it gets blown up in the media (i mean no one was like "Tiger's marital problems are his private business and its not like he was shoving it down our throats, so why does everyone make a fuss about it?"). Genius will know that what he is saying will have an influence in the SC2 community. It doesn't matter whether or not it was posted on TL. Because Blizzard pays attention to the progamers' opinions when it comes to balance, they dont have to "shove things down our throats" for things they say to be relevant to the SC2 community as a whole.
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On November 21 2010 23:22 Tone_ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 23:17 Fantistic wrote:
Another reason why I dislike these threads is that Genius probably won't switch race at all. Next time a pro wants to blow off steam and exaggerate about imbalance, do it without saying "I'll switch race if Blizzard doesn't do something.". Otherwise, it spawns these types of threads which ultimately ends in yet another balance discussion. I really struggle to see why you bother posting stuff like this. First off it's clear you haven't read anything about this besides probably the title. The guy posted a question about switching race to one site in Korea. He didn't say "unless Blizz changes x", he didn't say "toss is UP". He just asked a small calm question to a community. TL gets their hands on it and it's a 10 page rage thread about how Genius is raging and whining to everyone. Where is the sense.
I doubt Genius would want to switch race if he thought Protoss wasn't underpowered.
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On November 21 2010 23:08 Supamang wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2010 22:53 bokeevboke wrote:On November 21 2010 22:40 Supamang wrote:wait, how did the "general consensus" in Korea go from PvZ being P favored (zomg even worse than TvZ some say!) to it being Z favored? maybe ive been an idiot all along for believing people when they say "well koreans say *blah* so it must be true" On November 21 2010 22:10 ace246 wrote:On November 21 2010 21:46 Metalwing wrote:
IdrA always had talks about balance. But instead of saying "I'll switch if zerg isn't fixed in the next patch", he said "I don't play Terran because I have self respect". I'd expect the same from the Protoss players. But they just don't care. They just QQ like the little kids do. Terran suits Genius better. He should play Terran definitely. Are you implying that "I don't play Terran because I have self-respect" is a better statement than "I'll switch if zerg isn't fixed in the next patch"? If so, thats kinda stupid isn't it? I mean saying that "I don't play Terran because I have self-respect" is pretty much BM to all the other terrans. Whereas "I'll switch if zerg isn't fixed in the next patch" isn't really offensive to anyone. If Metalwing was implying that "I don't play Terran because I have self-respect" is a better statement than "I'll switch if zerg isn't fixed in the next patch", then I completely agree with him. At least Idra has self-respect, and not because he doesn't play terran. its because he believes in himself and his own abilities to the end and keeps his head up high despite going against the odds. I am no Idra lover either. Ive always disliked his BM and how much of an asshole he can be when losing, but I respect him as a strong player and a strong personality. People look up to the progamers because of their ability and drive. People who make it to the top in anything should have confidence in their own abilities. How pathetic is it that tons of people respect Genius as a pro Protoss player when he himself doesnt have self-respect as a Protoss player? For me "I don't play Terran because I have self-respect" = "Terran OP". Same as complaining. Yes, its the same as complaining, but thats not what the race changers are doing. Race changers are taking it to Emo level by threatening to change their race. Lets put it this way. Everyone complains about their life sucking at some point, but Emos are the ones cutting their wrists while doing it. Idra mighta been complaining, but he wasnt threatening to take action over it. Genius might genuinely be thinking of changing races, know one except he can know for sure until he does or announces he wont. But given the fact that the only progamer I can think of off the top of my head who switched races were TLO and MorroW, and NEITHER of them were whining or threatening the race change beforehand. The others just went, "sike! im still gonna be *race*  " after sufficient attention and cries for mercy were given to them. Theyre like kids threatening to run away from home when they dont like something. Again, its pathetic.
In this post he said "I'm considering changing my race. Please recommend the race which
seems to be more suitable for me"
Asking fans what race he should switch and not a single complain word - is it pathetic?
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This is actually not worth discussing. Done giving attention to players talking about a race switch.
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