EPTOn November 21 2010 20:26 Gotmog wrote:
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Nerf Zerg ->Fruitdealer, Idra and dimaga want to switch (and TLO chose T i guess)
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Nerf Zerg ->Fruitdealer, Idra and dimaga want to switch (and TLO chose T i guess)
Don't nerf anything -> Buff toss
Genius is considering changing the race - Page 2
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Piski
Finland3461 Posts
Don't nerf anything -> Buff toss | ||
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Tropics
United Kingdom1132 Posts
pretty sure that was post roach range buff too | ||
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adrenaLinG
Canada676 Posts
I recommend NEXGenius play Zerg since he's whining Seriously though P's anti-air is crap, and stalkers are just not cost-efficient compared to roaches, and gateway units get rocked by any stimmed bio | ||
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lol12tree
Canada88 Posts
On November 21 2010 20:30 Panoptic wrote: I don't know about you guys but I'm getting kind of tired of big-name players constantly threatening to switch. It seems...just...a bit pathetic. I know a lot of players make their living from this game, so balance is more important to them than anyone. It's just that it fuels the masses into going: "see! my race is UP QQ" etc etc. It harms the community and adds unnecessary fuel to the fire. And whilst toss might very well be UP, I can't help but be cynical about their motives for making these announcements. If you're planning on switching, why not just keep quiet about it? huh? its not like they are running around saying, MY RACE IS UP, IMA CHANGE !!!! No. Its Genius that wants to change and asking fans which would they rather him change to. HE HAS ALREADY MADE UP HIS MIND TO CHANGE HIS RACE. That is very different than Genius asking "should I change race?" | ||
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Tone_
United Kingdom554 Posts
On November 21 2010 20:25 Kyuki wrote: This is so sad.. Can top players STOP CRYING IN THE OPEN. :< We all rage and have our moments, but I mean it's pretty damn obvious Protoss is in a spot where Zerg was before the reaper/bunker and roach range upgrade. Toss is unforgiving (4-gate aside which is very uncommon at the very highest level because it's not that hard to stop) and can be abused quite hard by the other races, but there will appear better and more refined builds and that will even out the playing field eventually. Maybe there will also be a tiny buff who knows.. Anyway, I just fucking hate when they cry like this.. Yeah who'd expect a professional sc2 player to talk in the open about a major change in his career, directly to the community. Why does this annoy you? He' just simply put why and what he's doing. I personally just fucking hate when people cry on forums at players who've done nothing but talk a little to the community. Shame to see Genius go T but there is a problem atm and he's got his own game to think about. | ||
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gnutz
Germany666 Posts
And the considering of race switch comes quite late imo, korean protosses cried since gsl 2 | ||
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dtz
5834 Posts
race loyalty in starcraft is such a weird phenomenom anyway lol.i find it very amusing when people bring that up. sad for protoss though =( | ||
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Licmyobelisk
Philippines3682 Posts
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lol12tree
Canada88 Posts
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ParasitJonte
Sweden1768 Posts
On November 21 2010 20:25 Kyuki wrote: This is so sad.. Can top players STOP CRYING IN THE OPEN. :< We all rage and have our moments, but I mean it's pretty damn obvious Protoss is in a spot where Zerg was before the reaper/bunker and roach range upgrade. Toss is unforgiving (4-gate aside which is very uncommon at the very highest level because it's not that hard to stop) and can be abused quite hard by the other races, but there will appear better and more refined builds and that will even out the playing field eventually. Maybe there will also be a tiny buff who knows.. Anyway, I just fucking hate when they cry like this.. Well... This is his life. No, really, I mean this is his life. His career. It's what he does. He wants to make money from it. And that post obviously contained no whining. It was a really short post. Besides, if you thought you deserved to be top 4 in GSL based on skill but found yourself being knocked out earlier based on what you perceive to be imbalances, I would call you an idiot for not trying to argue your case. | ||
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lol12tree
Canada88 Posts
On November 21 2010 20:37 Licmyobelisk wrote: See this guy, saying that protoss was the strongest race in GSL 2 then after being defeated time for me to switch race... what a champ.. source? | ||
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ParasitJonte
Sweden1768 Posts
On November 21 2010 20:32 Tropics wrote: pretty funny considering a month or two ago he said protoss was the strongest race pretty sure that was post roach range buff too That was when he thought he was going to win GSL. Then intotherainbow killed him... | ||
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Saechiis
Netherlands4989 Posts
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Panoptic
United Kingdom515 Posts
On November 21 2010 20:33 lol12tree wrote: huh? its not like they are running around saying, MY RACE IS UP, IMA CHANGE !!!! No. Its Genius that wants to change and asking fans which would they rather him change to. HE HAS ALREADY MADE UP HIS MIND TO CHANGE HIS RACE. That is very different than Genius asking "should I change race?" Whilst it's clear that he didn't put it quite like that, I would say the gist of what he said is exactly the same....and I don't have a massive problem with it, I'm merely saying that it ends up justifying a lot of whining on forums like these (which is a bad thing imo), regardless of whether there's a balance issue. And please...there's no need for caps. | ||
GTR
51433 Posts
on an anecdote, i don't remember at all more than one bw progamer complaining about their race and threatening to change, the only instance i remember was chojja (to t) back when maps made zvt near impossible (nostalgia, gaema... yeh). | ||
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ParasitJonte
Sweden1768 Posts
On November 21 2010 20:40 Saechiis wrote: Funny that Terran still gets the blame for imbalance when it has been receiving nothing but nerfs since TvP was considered the most balanced MU. When you look at GSL percentages it's Zergs taking places from Toss, not Terran. But it's terrans that knock out protosses. And they do it because of the incredibly imbalanced early game PvT. | ||
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Licmyobelisk
Philippines3682 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=165876 find it yourself partner.. it's either I'm wrong that he said protoss is the strongest race or he said that ITR is a weak terran I dunno... | ||
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frucisky
Singapore2170 Posts
TvZ has shifted the pressure on terran to do something or lose. Previously it was about zerg staying alive vs dying within the first few minutes. | ||
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Pervect
1280 Posts
On November 21 2010 20:43 frucisky wrote: ...Faster warp gate research... Yeah, make 4 gates more powerful without really changing anything after the first six minutes of the game. That'll help... | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
It's so obvious the only reason they do this is not because they believe in the balance they proclaim but only because they are looking out for themselves and want an easier time winning shit. The worst thing of it all may just be that people actually logon to TL and use the opinion of these players to support their balance whines, even though it's pretty damn obvious none of these players actually have a clue about balance and just want their own race to be better. In a way I'm glad it's a Protoss doing it now because now if I yell at him I won't be attacked by angry Zerg and Terran players saying that it isn't my race that is underpowered. | ||
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