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hitthat
Profile Joined January 2010
Poland2349 Posts
August 31 2010 16:50 GMT
#181
I never though to say that, but...
...now I hope that one day Relic (or other talented company, as I hate THQ) will make the perfectly balanced, competetive RTS, and the Koreans will find the potential in this as e-sport, and than the Activision Loozard (dont confuse it with Blizzard) will sunk into it's own shit.
Shameless BroodWar separatistic, elitist, fanaticaly devoted puritan fanboy.
Gregsen
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Germany667 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-31 16:55:19
August 31 2010 16:52 GMT
#182
On September 01 2010 01:50 FindingPride wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2010 01:35 Gregsen wrote:
On September 01 2010 01:34 FindingPride wrote:
On August 31 2010 21:22 stanley_ wrote:
sigh i guess i won't be buying sc2 anytime soon. RAGE

You havn't bought it already? lmao



me neither. Why the should I? Storyline is a joke. And just look how Activision fucked up battlenet 0.2. Have fun with a game that you haven't bought but playing for rent according to the license agreement.

story line is a joke and u havn't bought the game?
out of curiosity since BW's story line is so wonderful have you played any game besides bw in the past 11 years?
do you live in a cave?



Haha I actually spoiled myself via Youtube and read the summaries on various sites. It sounds really lame to me, and a lot of people who actually played it think so too.

I played some World of Warcraft besides bw, I also like Team Fortress 2.

You could argue that you can only rent WoW as well just like SC2, but since WoW is a constantly evolving MMO which requires online access by nature, these are two completely different animals.
Boycott Activision whenever, wherever you can.
wiesel
Profile Joined September 2008
Germany727 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-31 16:59:34
August 31 2010 16:52 GMT
#183
I never though to say that, but...
...now I hope that one day Relic (or other talented company, as I hate THQ) will make the perfectly balanced, competetive RTS, and the Koreans will find the potential in this as e-sport, and than the Activision Loozard (dont confuse it with Blizzard) will sunk into it's own shit.

Yea THQ relic has some potential only missing on the balance patches and better support imo.
But well sc2 too surely won't be balanced until the last protoss expansion so a lot of QQ the next few years.. and they failed with wc3 and WoW too
Endbringer
Profile Joined June 2010
United States111 Posts
August 31 2010 16:56 GMT
#184
This isnt a BW vs SC2 debate, or even a BW vs SC2 issue. Its all about money and which organization is going to control the scene. People need to stop letting there personal feelings about BW or SC2 color their judgement. Starcraft2 has nothing to do with any of this, its Blizzard fighting with Kespa over who will control the pro-scene.
SirGlinG
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden933 Posts
August 31 2010 16:58 GMT
#185
On September 01 2010 01:01 Garrl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2010 00:59 Mellotron wrote:
If i was a progamer, i might be secretly crossing my fingers for BW to finally be laid to rest. That way i could get a chance to play a new game for christs sake. No one ever wonders if the players themselves already stuck on proteams might be wanting a change, no matter what the financial risk. You think they are sitting around praising kespa for telling nada what he can and cant play? Humans dont work like that.


You do realise that most progamers look down on SC2 with disdain, right?


Brood war's gameplay and depth has developed for 12 years.
Starcraft 2's gameplay and depth has developed for about a half year.

Bw pro gamers consider sc2 to be easy, bw to be difficult.

Should we never give sc2 a chance?
Should we never give another game a chance even if we find it funny because bw is the most difficult?

The difficulty of the game is completely irrelevant at this time, come back to in 11,5 years and then we can discuss it.

The potential is all we should look at. there are major leagues coming up and the game is getting big.

Not my chair. Not my problem. That's what I say
Polis
Profile Joined January 2005
Poland1292 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-31 17:02:57
August 31 2010 16:59 GMT
#186
On September 01 2010 01:37 xlep wrote:
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On September 01 2010 01:31 Gregsen wrote:
On September 01 2010 01:27 xlep wrote:
Are you sure? I'm pretty sure that I read that Blizzard started sponsoring GOM TV mid 09 and fall 09 Kespa pulled the teams out



Blizzard has not been the OFFICIAL SPONSOR, that is certain. They granted the broadcasting rights though, that way GOM TV dodged kespa who wanted to sell the broadcasting rights originally. Kespa got pissed off about this and pulled the proteams out of GOM TV Intel classic.

I hated that move, but Blizzard's reaction stands in no comparison to that.


So Kespa selling broadcasting rights to GOM is ok, but Blizzard selling them to OGN (via Gretech) isnt? With all respect to Kespa, but SC1 is still a game that Blizzard made and no company other then Blizzard has the right to sell broadcasting rights for it.


They don't sell right to broadcast SC, but team players to play in your league. Teams cost more to run, leagues must share profit, they share it in every other sport. GOM could make amateur leagues all they wanted it wasn't fair for them to not pay the teams, and use they players.

The only bad thing is PR issue of calling it broadcasting fees, when it isn't about Kespa calming rights for SC at all, all they claim is right to decide where players that they hire will play.
FindingPride
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1001 Posts
August 31 2010 17:00 GMT
#187
On September 01 2010 01:58 SirGlinG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2010 01:01 Garrl wrote:
On September 01 2010 00:59 Mellotron wrote:
If i was a progamer, i might be secretly crossing my fingers for BW to finally be laid to rest. That way i could get a chance to play a new game for christs sake. No one ever wonders if the players themselves already stuck on proteams might be wanting a change, no matter what the financial risk. You think they are sitting around praising kespa for telling nada what he can and cant play? Humans dont work like that.


You do realise that most progamers look down on SC2 with disdain, right?


Brood war's gameplay and depth has developed for 12 years.
Starcraft 2's gameplay and depth has developed for about a half year.

Bw pro gamers consider sc2 to be easy, bw to be difficult.

Should we never give sc2 a chance?
Should we never give another game a chance even if we find it funny because bw is the most difficult?

The difficulty of the game is completely irrelevant at this time, come back to in 11,5 years and then we can discuss it.

The potential is all we should look at. there are major leagues coming up and the game is getting big.


bw players dont play sc2. so how can they say its easy.
Gregsen
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Germany667 Posts
August 31 2010 17:01 GMT
#188
On September 01 2010 01:58 SirGlinG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2010 01:01 Garrl wrote:
On September 01 2010 00:59 Mellotron wrote:
If i was a progamer, i might be secretly crossing my fingers for BW to finally be laid to rest. That way i could get a chance to play a new game for christs sake. No one ever wonders if the players themselves already stuck on proteams might be wanting a change, no matter what the financial risk. You think they are sitting around praising kespa for telling nada what he can and cant play? Humans dont work like that.


You do realise that most progamers look down on SC2 with disdain, right?


Brood war's gameplay and depth has developed for 12 years.
Starcraft 2's gameplay and depth has developed for about a half year.

Bw pro gamers consider sc2 to be easy, bw to be difficult.

Should we never give sc2 a chance?
Should we never give another game a chance even if we find it funny because bw is the most difficult?

The difficulty of the game is completely irrelevant at this time, come back to in 11,5 years and then we can discuss it.

The potential is all we should look at. there are major leagues coming up and the game is getting big.



So what you're suggesting is that we shouldn't care about proteams getting disbanded and leagues forced to come to an end, and rather look how we can put bw out of the way as soon as possible to have a free road for sc2?
Boycott Activision whenever, wherever you can.
olof
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden254 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-31 17:06:06
August 31 2010 17:04 GMT
#189
There's so many pathetic + Show Spoiler +
fucking
kids that force themselves to belive SC2 actually will be an esportsgame. Enjoy swallowing truckloads of + Show Spoiler +
dick
from BlizzardActivisions bull+ Show Spoiler +
shit
marketing dept. while they convince you that it's a good game. Watch them destroy the only succesfull esportscene in the world for your petty dreams of SC2.

It's a tragedy. Once they made good games, now they + Show Spoiler +
fucks
us fans without a single hesitation, just for the profit.


edit. foul language.
hi man O_O
FindingPride
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1001 Posts
August 31 2010 17:09 GMT
#190
On September 01 2010 02:04 olof wrote:
There's so many pathetic + Show Spoiler +
fucking
kids that force themselves to belive SC2 actually will be an esportsgame. Enjoy swallowing truckloads of + Show Spoiler +
dick
from BlizzardActivisions bull+ Show Spoiler +
shit
marketing dept. while they convince you that it's a good game. Watch them destroy the only succesfull esportscene in the world for your petty dreams of SC2.

It's a tragedy. Once they made good games, now they + Show Spoiler +
fucks
us fans without a single hesitation, just for the profit.


edit. foul language.

?
Theres so much wrong with this post I don't know where to begin but the root of the problem seems to be your thought process so lets start there.
BW isn't doing anything to further the growth of esports.
esports will never go beyond anything other then a small niche like rock paper scissors world tournament if New games dont come to the plate.
MangoTango
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States3670 Posts
August 31 2010 17:11 GMT
#191
On September 01 2010 02:09 FindingPride wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2010 02:04 olof wrote:
There's so many pathetic + Show Spoiler +
fucking
kids that force themselves to belive SC2 actually will be an esportsgame. Enjoy swallowing truckloads of + Show Spoiler +
dick
from BlizzardActivisions bull+ Show Spoiler +
shit
marketing dept. while they convince you that it's a good game. Watch them destroy the only succesfull esportscene in the world for your petty dreams of SC2.

It's a tragedy. Once they made good games, now they + Show Spoiler +
fucks
us fans without a single hesitation, just for the profit.


edit. foul language.

?
Theres so much wrong with this post I don't know where to begin but the root of the problem seems to be your thought process so lets start there.
BW isn't doing anything to further the growth of esports.
esports will never go beyond anything other then a small niche like rock paper scissors world tournament if New games dont come to the plate.


Did you even watch the MSL finals? I totally recruited 4 of my nerd friends who weren't yet into esports to my place to watch the finals. They are now all fans. New games, while always welcome, don't necessarily mean progress. Chess is ancient but is still going strong as a game.
"One fish, two fish, red fish, BLUE TANK!" - Artosis
wiesel
Profile Joined September 2008
Germany727 Posts
August 31 2010 17:14 GMT
#192

?
Theres so much wrong with this post I don't know where to begin but the root of the problem seems to be your thought process so lets start there.
BW isn't doing anything to further the growth of esports.
esports will never go beyond anything other then a small niche like rock paper scissors world tournament if New games dont come to the plate.

So why don't these new shiny games develop a great new e-sport scene outside of korea? Cleary it's Kespa fault they are stopping the e-sport worldwide rofl
ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3786 Posts
August 31 2010 17:15 GMT
#193
On September 01 2010 01:58 SirGlinG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2010 01:01 Garrl wrote:
On September 01 2010 00:59 Mellotron wrote:
If i was a progamer, i might be secretly crossing my fingers for BW to finally be laid to rest. That way i could get a chance to play a new game for christs sake. No one ever wonders if the players themselves already stuck on proteams might be wanting a change, no matter what the financial risk. You think they are sitting around praising kespa for telling nada what he can and cant play? Humans dont work like that.


You do realise that most progamers look down on SC2 with disdain, right?


Brood war's gameplay and depth has developed for 12 years.
Starcraft 2's gameplay and depth has developed for about a half year.

Bw pro gamers consider sc2 to be easy, bw to be difficult.

Should we never give sc2 a chance?
Should we never give another game a chance even if we find it funny because bw is the most difficult?

The difficulty of the game is completely irrelevant at this time, come back to in 11,5 years and then we can discuss it.

The potential is all we should look at. there are major leagues coming up and the game is getting big.



1st argument is basically like Brawl will become competitive argument. People have BW experience, while people who developed BW had little experience with RTSes of its style. That 1/2 a year also has a larger dedicated/competitive fanbase. It should, in theory, develop faster.

We are giving SC2 a chance. But should we kill BW JUST to give SC2 a chance? Why can't Blizzard leave BW alone and have them run side-by-side? And is there anything wrong with people who don't? Why should either side try and force one onto the other? Especially since this is the BW section of TL.
darkness overpowering
Valikyr
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2653 Posts
August 31 2010 17:18 GMT
#194
On September 01 2010 01:25 swanized wrote:
this too, If I recall Flash said SC2 sucks in Nal_ra's oldboy at some point in the show.

He just said that the shield regen is bullshit. Get your facts straight. All the BW elitists here seems to have a problem with that.

I got the impression that NaDa enjoyed playing SC2 quite alot in his showmatch vs TLO.

Also, don't you think there's a very good reason Flash/Jeadong would say SC2 is bad? I mean if everyone switch over to SC2 they will be done as stars (unless they switch over aswell which is a risky move careerwise)
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
August 31 2010 17:20 GMT
#195
On September 01 2010 01:52 Gregsen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2010 01:50 FindingPride wrote:
On September 01 2010 01:35 Gregsen wrote:
On September 01 2010 01:34 FindingPride wrote:
On August 31 2010 21:22 stanley_ wrote:
sigh i guess i won't be buying sc2 anytime soon. RAGE

You havn't bought it already? lmao



me neither. Why the should I? Storyline is a joke. And just look how Activision fucked up battlenet 0.2. Have fun with a game that you haven't bought but playing for rent according to the license agreement.

story line is a joke and u havn't bought the game?
out of curiosity since BW's story line is so wonderful have you played any game besides bw in the past 11 years?
do you live in a cave?



Haha I actually spoiled myself via Youtube and read the summaries on various sites. It sounds really lame to me, and a lot of people who actually played it think so too.

The story is quite bad but the missions and gameplay are GREAT.
Welcome to the jungle in brutal will be one of my most memorable solo RTS moment
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
virpi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany3599 Posts
August 31 2010 17:22 GMT
#196
sc2 is not bad, it just feels wrong. but that's only my point of view. i seriously hope they'll find a solution...if bw dies, sad times are coming. The love still grows, and I don't want this new game to be THE e-sport in the next years, if bw has to die. (no pl means no bw)
first we make expand, then we defense it.
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
August 31 2010 17:23 GMT
#197
how is this thread not in the spotlight already?
Graphicssavior[gm] : What is a “yawn” rape ;; Masumune - It was the year of the pig for those fucking defilers. Chill - A clinic you say? okum: SC without Korean yelling is like porn without sex. konamix: HAPPY BIRTHDAY MOMMY!
Sprouter
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1724 Posts
August 31 2010 17:26 GMT
#198
i think mbc is trying to ice blizz for as long as possible. when blizz does actually bring in a lawsuit or something serious like that mbc will cave in. at least i hope.
Gregsen
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Germany667 Posts
August 31 2010 17:28 GMT
#199
On September 01 2010 02:23 alffla wrote:
how is this thread not in the spotlight already?



THANK YOU!

I asked this several pages ago already, but oh my..
Boycott Activision whenever, wherever you can.
swanized
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada2480 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-31 17:42:58
August 31 2010 17:29 GMT
#200
On September 01 2010 01:45 Gann1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2010 01:25 swanized wrote:


this too, If I recall Flash said SC2 sucks in Nal_ra's oldboy at some point in the show.


if i recall correctly it was violet, and it went something like this (according to my memory)

Nal_Ra: My shield batteries should have infinite range

Violet: Sounds like Starcraft 2!

yes indeed but you missed the third comment

Flash (or someone else from KT but I'm pretty sure it's flash) ah that sucks (something along these lines)


I'm pretty sure that's how it went but I may not recall correctly


On September 01 2010 02:18 Valikyr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2010 01:25 swanized wrote:
this too, If I recall Flash said SC2 sucks in Nal_ra's oldboy at some point in the show.

He just said that the shield regen is bullshit. Get your facts straight. All the BW elitists here seems to have a problem with that.


edit: btw, I am not a BW elitist I even watched MLG, IEM, KoTB and I probably will watch GSL, but I prefer to watch BW.





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