• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 10:24
CET 16:24
KST 00:24
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners11Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting12[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent11
Community News
Weekly Cups (Nov 3-9): Clem Conquers in Canada2SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA8StarCraft, SC2, HotS, WC3, Returning to Blizzcon!45$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship7[BSL21] RO32 Group Stage4
StarCraft 2
General
Mech is the composition that needs teleportation t SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA Weekly Cups (Nov 3-9): Clem Conquers in Canada Craziest Micro Moments Of All Time? RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close"
Tourneys
Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest Tenacious Turtle Tussle Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship Merivale 8 Open - LAN - Stellar Fest
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened Mutation # 496 Endless Infection
Brood War
General
FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ [ASL20] Ask the mapmakers — Drop your questions Where's CardinalAllin/Jukado the mapmaker?
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL20] Grand Finals [BSL21] RO32 Group A - Saturday 21:00 CET [BSL21] RO32 Group B - Sunday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Current Meta PvZ map balance How to stay on top of macro? Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games? Path of Exile Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Dyadica Gospel – a Pulp No…
Hildegard
Coffee x Performance in Espo…
TrAiDoS
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1927 users

[Update p.28] Gretech - KeSPA/MBC negotiations break down…

Forum Index > Closed
681 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 7 8 9 10 11 35 Next All
Gregsen
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Germany667 Posts
August 31 2010 16:21 GMT
#161
On September 01 2010 01:08 xlep wrote:

I totally share your point of view here. You'd think they'd be able to come to an agreement. I don't want to judge and of those, I'm just saying that Kespa is exactly the same.
Sure the korean scene made SCBW big, but Blizzard made SCBW. What Blizzard does now is wrong, but so are Kespas actions selling the broadcasting rights for Blizzards game and forcing Blizzard out with GOM (correct me if I'm wrong but Blizzard was a main sponsor for gom, right?)



Nope. Blizzard wasn't the main sponsor for GOM TV intel classic, they just granted the broadcasting rights. Sponsor of GOM TV classic have been TG Sambo and Intel.
Boycott Activision whenever, wherever you can.
Hyde
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
August 31 2010 16:24 GMT
#162
On September 01 2010 01:21 Gregsen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2010 01:08 xlep wrote:

I totally share your point of view here. You'd think they'd be able to come to an agreement. I don't want to judge and of those, I'm just saying that Kespa is exactly the same.
Sure the korean scene made SCBW big, but Blizzard made SCBW. What Blizzard does now is wrong, but so are Kespas actions selling the broadcasting rights for Blizzards game and forcing Blizzard out with GOM (correct me if I'm wrong but Blizzard was a main sponsor for gom, right?)



Nope. Blizzard wasn't the main sponsor for GOM TV intel classic, they just granted the broadcasting rights. Sponsor of GOM TV classic have been TG Sambo and Intel.

I think Blizzard also threw in some extra prize money as well. I remember Tasteless constantly reminding viewers about the bigger prize pool thanks to Blizz
Because when you left, Brood War was all spotlights and titans. Now, with the death of the big leagues, Brood War has moved to the basements and carparks. Now, Brood War is unlicensed brawls, lost teeth, and bloody fights for fistfulls of money - SirJolt
swanized
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada2480 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-31 16:27:47
August 31 2010 16:25 GMT
#163
On September 01 2010 00:59 Mellotron wrote:
If i was a progamer, i might be secretly crossing my fingers for BW to finally be laid to rest. That way i could get a chance to play a new game for christs sake. No one ever wonders if the players themselves already stuck on proteams might be wanting a change, no matter what the financial risk. You think they are sitting around praising kespa for telling nada what he can and cant play? Humans dont work like that.



Jaedong: please, please Blizzard kill the game that lets me make hundreds and thousands of bucks and makes me super famous in my country so I can try my hand at something else and maybe, possibly regain half of my fame, at a game that is not as popular as the old one in korea at that *Jaedong crosses his finger in hope Blizzard kills SC:BW*


ehhh I'm not so sure



On September 01 2010 01:01 Garrl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2010 00:59 Mellotron wrote:
If i was a progamer, i might be secretly crossing my fingers for BW to finally be laid to rest. That way i could get a chance to play a new game for christs sake. No one ever wonders if the players themselves already stuck on proteams might be wanting a change, no matter what the financial risk. You think they are sitting around praising kespa for telling nada what he can and cant play? Humans dont work like that.


You do realise that most progamers look down on SC2 with disdain, right?




this too, If I recall Flash said SC2 sucks in Nal_ra's oldboy at some point in the show.
Writer
xlep
Profile Joined December 2009
Germany274 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-31 16:33:28
August 31 2010 16:27 GMT
#164
Are you sure? I'm pretty sure that I read that Blizzard started sponsoring GOM TV mid 09 and fall 09 Kespa pulled the teams out

/edit: just looked it up. I can't find a thread or something similar, but Liquipedia also mentions that Blizzard partnered with GOM during Season 3 (and put in 50 Mio Won). So call it "upcoming" sponsor if you like but they did try to put a considerable amount in.
skill is scissors beating rock
Gregsen
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Germany667 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-31 16:32:05
August 31 2010 16:31 GMT
#165
On September 01 2010 01:27 xlep wrote:
Are you sure? I'm pretty sure that I read that Blizzard started sponsoring GOM TV mid 09 and fall 09 Kespa pulled the teams out



Blizzard has not been the OFFICIAL SPONSOR, that is certain. They granted the broadcasting rights though, that way GOM TV dodged kespa who wanted to sell the broadcasting rights originally. Kespa got pissed off about this and pulled the proteams out of GOM TV Intel classic.

I hated that move, but Blizzard's reaction stands in no comparison to that.
Boycott Activision whenever, wherever you can.
antas
Profile Joined August 2010
Indonesia300 Posts
August 31 2010 16:32 GMT
#166

I totally share your point of view here. You'd think they'd be able to come to an agreement. I don't want to judge and of those, I'm just saying that Kespa is exactly the same.
Sure the korean scene made SCBW big, but Blizzard made SCBW. What Blizzard does now is wrong, but so are Kespas actions selling the broadcasting rights for Blizzards game and forcing Blizzard out with GOM (correct me if I'm wrong but Blizzard was a main sponsor for gom, right?)


Let us pray that this will be resolved soon. And hopefully those two can live happily ever after :D Lol ..

No, I'm serious here.
Entaro Adun!
FindingPride
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1001 Posts
August 31 2010 16:34 GMT
#167
On August 31 2010 21:22 stanley_ wrote:
sigh i guess i won't be buying sc2 anytime soon. RAGE

You havn't bought it already? lmao
Gregsen
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Germany667 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-31 16:37:39
August 31 2010 16:35 GMT
#168
On September 01 2010 01:34 FindingPride wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2010 21:22 stanley_ wrote:
sigh i guess i won't be buying sc2 anytime soon. RAGE

You havn't bought it already? lmao



me neither. Why the should I? Storyline is a joke. And just look how Activision fucked up battlenet 0.2. Have fun with a game that you haven't bought but playing for rent according to the license agreement.
Boycott Activision whenever, wherever you can.
FindingPride
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1001 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-31 16:41:26
August 31 2010 16:36 GMT
#169
On September 01 2010 01:35 Gregsen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2010 01:34 FindingPride wrote:
On August 31 2010 21:22 stanley_ wrote:
sigh i guess i won't be buying sc2 anytime soon. RAGE

You havn't bought it already? lmao



neither have I.

O well then. your loss. Enjoy playing bw. it was a great game.
but the Scene needs new air. And sc2 will bring that, merging the scenes. much more appealing as well to spectators.
xlep
Profile Joined December 2009
Germany274 Posts
August 31 2010 16:37 GMT
#170
On September 01 2010 01:31 Gregsen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2010 01:27 xlep wrote:
Are you sure? I'm pretty sure that I read that Blizzard started sponsoring GOM TV mid 09 and fall 09 Kespa pulled the teams out



Blizzard has not been the OFFICIAL SPONSOR, that is certain. They granted the broadcasting rights though, that way GOM TV dodged kespa who wanted to sell the broadcasting rights originally. Kespa got pissed off about this and pulled the proteams out of GOM TV Intel classic.

I hated that move, but Blizzard's reaction stands in no comparison to that.


So Kespa selling broadcasting rights to GOM is ok, but Blizzard selling them to OGN (via Gretech) isnt? With all respect to Kespa, but SC1 is still a game that Blizzard made and no company other then Blizzard has the right to sell broadcasting rights for it.
skill is scissors beating rock
Gregsen
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Germany667 Posts
August 31 2010 16:38 GMT
#171
On September 01 2010 01:36 FindingPride wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2010 01:35 Gregsen wrote:
On September 01 2010 01:34 FindingPride wrote:
On August 31 2010 21:22 stanley_ wrote:
sigh i guess i won't be buying sc2 anytime soon. RAGE

You havn't bought it already? lmao



neither have I.

O well then. your loss. Enjoy playing bw. its pretty dead i hear.
Scene needs new air. And sc2 will bring that, merging the scenes. much more appealing as well to spectators.



yeah, spectators love units to clump up into one giant ball that rolls over the map. NICE.
Boycott Activision whenever, wherever you can.
Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
August 31 2010 16:39 GMT
#172
On September 01 2010 00:26 konadora wrote:
fuck you blizzard, seriously.

fucking leave brood war alone already.


Seriously. Fucking Blizzard. Just leave us hardcore BW fans alone. Don't try to force on me your fucking product because the harder you try the more I find it disgusting...
Gregsen
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Germany667 Posts
August 31 2010 16:39 GMT
#173
On September 01 2010 01:37 xlep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2010 01:31 Gregsen wrote:
On September 01 2010 01:27 xlep wrote:
Are you sure? I'm pretty sure that I read that Blizzard started sponsoring GOM TV mid 09 and fall 09 Kespa pulled the teams out



Blizzard has not been the OFFICIAL SPONSOR, that is certain. They granted the broadcasting rights though, that way GOM TV dodged kespa who wanted to sell the broadcasting rights originally. Kespa got pissed off about this and pulled the proteams out of GOM TV Intel classic.

I hated that move, but Blizzard's reaction stands in no comparison to that.


So Kespa selling broadcasting rights to GOM is ok, but Blizzard selling them to OGN (via Gretech) isnt? With all respect to Kespa, but SC1 is still a game that Blizzard made and no company other then Blizzard has the right to sell broadcasting rights for it.


Hard to believe but you're still missing the issue. Go and read my post from the last page again.
Boycott Activision whenever, wherever you can.
Gregsen
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Germany667 Posts
August 31 2010 16:41 GMT
#174
On September 01 2010 01:36 FindingPride wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2010 01:35 Gregsen wrote:
On September 01 2010 01:34 FindingPride wrote:
On August 31 2010 21:22 stanley_ wrote:
sigh i guess i won't be buying sc2 anytime soon. RAGE

You havn't bought it already? lmao



neither have I.

O well then. your loss. Enjoy playing bw. its pretty dead i hear.
Scene needs new air. And sc2 will bring that, merging the scenes. much more appealing as well to spectators.


Oh, and also: As you can see, there is no real merge that is happening. It's rather the old fans being disgusted by blizzard, and the new ones trying to hype a shitty product.
Boycott Activision whenever, wherever you can.
FindingPride
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1001 Posts
August 31 2010 16:42 GMT
#175
On September 01 2010 01:38 Gregsen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2010 01:36 FindingPride wrote:
On September 01 2010 01:35 Gregsen wrote:
On September 01 2010 01:34 FindingPride wrote:
On August 31 2010 21:22 stanley_ wrote:
sigh i guess i won't be buying sc2 anytime soon. RAGE

You havn't bought it already? lmao



neither have I.

O well then. your loss. Enjoy playing bw. its pretty dead i hear.
Scene needs new air. And sc2 will bring that, merging the scenes. much more appealing as well to spectators.



yeah, spectators love units to clump up into one giant ball that rolls over the map. NICE.

Game has evolved quite a bit since then. its much harder then that.
KasPra
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Estonia983 Posts
August 31 2010 16:43 GMT
#176
On September 01 2010 01:38 Gregsen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2010 01:36 FindingPride wrote:
On September 01 2010 01:35 Gregsen wrote:
On September 01 2010 01:34 FindingPride wrote:
On August 31 2010 21:22 stanley_ wrote:
sigh i guess i won't be buying sc2 anytime soon. RAGE

You havn't bought it already? lmao



neither have I.

O well then. your loss. Enjoy playing bw. its pretty dead i hear.
Scene needs new air. And sc2 will bring that, merging the scenes. much more appealing as well to spectators.



yeah, spectators love units to clump up into one giant ball that rolls over the map. NICE.


It's better to just leave him alone, he probably hasnt even seen a pro bw match in his life.

In other news, fuck blizz I find it disgusting i actually was a big fan of that company some years ago and pumped up as hell about sc2.
Gann1
Profile Joined July 2009
United States1575 Posts
August 31 2010 16:45 GMT
#177
On September 01 2010 01:25 swanized wrote:


this too, If I recall Flash said SC2 sucks in Nal_ra's oldboy at some point in the show.


if i recall correctly it was violet, and it went something like this (according to my memory)

Nal_Ra: My shield batteries should have infinite range

Violet: Sounds like Starcraft 2!
I drop suckas like Plinko
Gregsen
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Germany667 Posts
August 31 2010 16:48 GMT
#178
On September 01 2010 01:45 Gann1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2010 01:25 swanized wrote:


this too, If I recall Flash said SC2 sucks in Nal_ra's oldboy at some point in the show.


if i recall correctly it was violet, and it went something like this (according to my memory)

Nal_Ra: My shield batteries should have infinite range

Violet: Sounds like Starcraft 2!




hahahahaha
Boycott Activision whenever, wherever you can.
SirGlinG
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden933 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-31 16:59:39
August 31 2010 16:49 GMT
#179
On August 31 2010 20:20 corumjhaelen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2010 20:16 Holgerius wrote:
Goddamnit Blizzard, I'm gonna boycott your stuff from now on. >:[

This.
And I won't log into SC2 ever again if things stay that way (I played with some friends cause they did not wan't to play broodwar... I'm sad.).


Is anyone 100% sure of all facts about the situation?
Can anyone blame Blizzard entirely for this?
Is Kespa an organisation which we ought to love and blindly follow?

I've never considered Kespa to be a "players association" It consists of the financial dudes behind the leagues, no players.
The majority of the players are hardly payed, their "freedom" as free agents or players before that is ridicilous.
Not my chair. Not my problem. That's what I say
FindingPride
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1001 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-31 16:50:54
August 31 2010 16:50 GMT
#180
On September 01 2010 01:35 Gregsen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2010 01:34 FindingPride wrote:
On August 31 2010 21:22 stanley_ wrote:
sigh i guess i won't be buying sc2 anytime soon. RAGE

You havn't bought it already? lmao



me neither. Why the should I? Storyline is a joke. And just look how Activision fucked up battlenet 0.2. Have fun with a game that you haven't bought but playing for rent according to the license agreement.

story line is a joke and u havn't bought the game?
out of curiosity since BW's story line is so wonderful have you played any game besides bw in the past 11 years?
do you live in a cave? SC2 had a really really good storyline imo. but haters gonna hate..
Prev 1 7 8 9 10 11 35 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
WardiTV Korean Royale
12:00
Group Stage 1 - Group B
WardiTV1181
TKL 412
Rex129
IntoTheiNu 38
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
TKL 412
RotterdaM 240
Rex 129
SortOf 101
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 4024
Soma 1093
Shuttle 1016
firebathero 797
Hyuk 649
Stork 495
ZerO 416
hero 272
Rush 197
Sharp 124
[ Show more ]
sSak 101
Barracks 101
Killer 87
Sea.KH 67
Aegong 43
Backho 42
Mong 38
ToSsGirL 30
Free 24
Sexy 21
Terrorterran 17
Movie 16
Shine 15
zelot 14
Dota 2
singsing2238
Dendi1107
BananaSlamJamma140
XcaliburYe110
Counter-Strike
olofmeister1708
markeloff107
FunKaTv 14
Other Games
B2W.Neo991
hiko719
crisheroes316
Hui .312
DeMusliM299
Lowko292
Sick200
Fuzer 172
ArmadaUGS137
Liquid`VortiX130
oskar98
Reynor55
ZerO(Twitch)15
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• poizon28 5
• Adnapsc2 4
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• sooper7s
• intothetv
• Migwel
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 24
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 2419
• WagamamaTV376
League of Legends
• Nemesis3914
• TFBlade730
Upcoming Events
OSC
36m
Replay Cast
7h 36m
Replay Cast
17h 36m
Kung Fu Cup
20h 36m
Classic vs Solar
herO vs Cure
Reynor vs GuMiho
ByuN vs ShoWTimE
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
1d 7h
The PondCast
1d 18h
RSL Revival
1d 18h
Solar vs Zoun
MaxPax vs Bunny
Kung Fu Cup
1d 20h
WardiTV Korean Royale
1d 20h
PiGosaur Monday
2 days
[ Show More ]
RSL Revival
2 days
Classic vs Creator
Cure vs TriGGeR
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
CranKy Ducklings
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
herO vs Gerald
ByuN vs SHIN
Kung Fu Cup
3 days
BSL 21
4 days
Tarson vs Julia
Doodle vs OldBoy
eOnzErG vs WolFix
StRyKeR vs Aeternum
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
Reynor vs sOs
Maru vs Ryung
Kung Fu Cup
4 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
4 days
BSL 21
5 days
JDConan vs Semih
Dragon vs Dienmax
Tech vs NewOcean
TerrOr vs Artosis
Wardi Open
5 days
Monday Night Weeklies
6 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-11-07
Stellar Fest: Constellation Cup
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual

Upcoming

SLON Tour Season 2
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
RSL Revival: Season 3
META Madness #9
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.