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Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25981 Posts
August 31 2010 17:29 GMT
#201
On September 01 2010 02:23 alffla wrote:
how is this thread not in the spotlight already?

msl sucks lolol
Moderator
olof
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden254 Posts
August 31 2010 17:35 GMT
#202
On September 01 2010 02:09 FindingPride wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2010 02:04 olof wrote:
There's so many pathetic + Show Spoiler +
fucking
kids that force themselves to belive SC2 actually will be an esportsgame. Enjoy swallowing truckloads of + Show Spoiler +
dick
from BlizzardActivisions bull+ Show Spoiler +
shit
marketing dept. while they convince you that it's a good game. Watch them destroy the only succesfull esportscene in the world for your petty dreams of SC2.

It's a tragedy. Once they made good games, now they + Show Spoiler +
fucks
us fans without a single hesitation, just for the profit.


edit. foul language.

?
Theres so much wrong with this post I don't know where to begin but the root of the problem seems to be your thought process so lets start there.
BW isn't doing anything to further the growth of esports.
esports will never go beyond anything other then a small niche like rock paper scissors world tournament if New games dont come to the plate.

Yea, let's just pump out shitty RTS clones of chess and hope ritalinfeeded kids can't tell cowshit from catshit. Every year we should play a new game because hell fucking yes, Starcraft had it's primetime far before BoxeR won his first tournament. Hoooo!

Grow the fuck up and realize the game needs to be played and balanced for years before a decent esportscene can grow. The players decide what game is good and the fans decide if it's worth watching and it will take time. If you want to circlejerk around SC2, fine. Just stop your ridicilous argument that Blizzard has the right to shut down the Starcraftscene.
hi man O_O
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
August 31 2010 17:38 GMT
#203
I'm very unhappy with the whole "Blizzard snipes BW"-thing... Can't SC2 and BW just co-exist peacefully?! In my youth, I never got the opportunity to go deeply into BW, now I finally got here, learned some more RTS through SC2, and feel ready to go into BW eventually. And now it seems Blizzard is decided to wipe out the BW pro-scene completely, like protosses some infested planet.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
FindingPride
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1001 Posts
August 31 2010 17:41 GMT
#204
On September 01 2010 02:35 olof wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2010 02:09 FindingPride wrote:
On September 01 2010 02:04 olof wrote:
There's so many pathetic + Show Spoiler +
fucking
kids that force themselves to belive SC2 actually will be an esportsgame. Enjoy swallowing truckloads of + Show Spoiler +
dick
from BlizzardActivisions bull+ Show Spoiler +
shit
marketing dept. while they convince you that it's a good game. Watch them destroy the only succesfull esportscene in the world for your petty dreams of SC2.

It's a tragedy. Once they made good games, now they + Show Spoiler +
fucks
us fans without a single hesitation, just for the profit.


edit. foul language.

?
Theres so much wrong with this post I don't know where to begin but the root of the problem seems to be your thought process so lets start there.
BW isn't doing anything to further the growth of esports.
esports will never go beyond anything other then a small niche like rock paper scissors world tournament if New games dont come to the plate.

Yea, let's just pump out shitty RTS clones of chess and hope ritalinfeeded kids can't tell cowshit from catshit. Every year we should play a new game because hell fucking yes, Starcraft had it's primetime far before BoxeR won his first tournament. Hoooo!

Grow the fuck up and realize the game needs to be played and balanced for years before a decent esportscene can grow. The players decide what game is good and the fans decide if it's worth watching and it will take time. If you want to circlejerk around SC2, fine. Just stop your ridicilous argument that Blizzard has the right to shut down the Starcraftscene.

No it doesn't lmao. the $ is there. So the players will b.
I can bet you alot more people want to go pro in sc2 then in bw. so you know id say that sc2 is doing very well right now. grow up. sc2 is excellent and the Best RTS we've had in a long long time.
Lokian
Profile Joined March 2010
United States699 Posts
August 31 2010 17:42 GMT
#205
How come MBC/Kespa won't negotiate? o.o
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ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3786 Posts
August 31 2010 17:42 GMT
#206
On September 01 2010 02:18 Valikyr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2010 01:25 swanized wrote:
this too, If I recall Flash said SC2 sucks in Nal_ra's oldboy at some point in the show.

He just said that the shield regen is bullshit. Get your facts straight. All the BW elitists here seems to have a problem with that.

I got the impression that NaDa enjoyed playing SC2 quite alot in his showmatch vs TLO.

Also, don't you think there's a very good reason Flash/Jeadong would say SC2 is bad? I mean if everyone switch over to SC2 they will be done as stars (unless they switch over aswell which is a risky move careerwise)


Actually, Violet said that infinite ranged shield batteries sound like starcraft2, lol. I don't recall Flash saying anything about SC2. =/
darkness overpowering
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
August 31 2010 17:44 GMT
#207
Fucking shit why do they even ask for some money if MBCGame and OnGameNet are non-profit entities anyways? Goddamn I'm gonna go around and delete GOMplayer from all of our computers.
Writerptrk
Gregsen
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Germany667 Posts
August 31 2010 17:44 GMT
#208
On September 01 2010 02:42 Lokian wrote:
How come MBC/Kespa won't negotiate? o.o



Reading the thread and what has been said countless times might help.
Boycott Activision whenever, wherever you can.
zenMaster
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada761 Posts
August 31 2010 17:44 GMT
#209
On September 01 2010 01:56 Endbringer wrote:
This isnt a BW vs SC2 debate, or even a BW vs SC2 issue. Its all about money and which organization is going to control the scene. People need to stop letting there personal feelings about BW or SC2 color their judgement. Starcraft2 has nothing to do with any of this, its Blizzard fighting with Kespa over who will control the pro-scene.

SC2 has everything to do with this issue, why do you think Blizzard suddenly wants loyalty for BW since all these years?
Blizzard could care less about the survival of BW e-sports, let alone to control it.
Blizzard is trying all the ways to shove SC2 down our throats and destroying BW scene will not help people buy into their bullshit.
xlep
Profile Joined December 2009
Germany274 Posts
August 31 2010 17:47 GMT
#210
wow afk for an hour and I'm barely able to find my post

On September 01 2010 01:39 Gregsen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2010 01:37 xlep wrote:
On September 01 2010 01:31 Gregsen wrote:
On September 01 2010 01:27 xlep wrote:
Are you sure? I'm pretty sure that I read that Blizzard started sponsoring GOM TV mid 09 and fall 09 Kespa pulled the teams out



Blizzard has not been the OFFICIAL SPONSOR, that is certain. They granted the broadcasting rights though, that way GOM TV dodged kespa who wanted to sell the broadcasting rights originally. Kespa got pissed off about this and pulled the proteams out of GOM TV Intel classic.

I hated that move, but Blizzard's reaction stands in no comparison to that.


So Kespa selling broadcasting rights to GOM is ok, but Blizzard selling them to OGN (via Gretech) isnt? With all respect to Kespa, but SC1 is still a game that Blizzard made and no company other then Blizzard has the right to sell broadcasting rights for it.


Hard to believe but you're still missing the issue. Go and read my post from the last page again.


I don't think I'm missing the issue here. Granted GomTV may not have been as prestigious and involved in the scene as OGN is and Blizzard wasn't involved in creating the scene, but people shouldn't just shit all over Blizzard and Gretech without considering the past events.
Blizzard only cut in Kespas buisness after they sold broadcasting rights they didn't own. Also Blizzard may not have been an official sponsor for any Gom tournament, but they sponsored them with 50 mio won in season 3 (trusting liquipedia here), be it for the prizepool or for season 4. Later Kespa pulled the players out (for whatever reason) and pushed Gom out of the BW scene.
How can you judge Blizzard or Gretech for that matter for enforcing their rights now and telling Kespa "not without us".

Again I'm not saying "it's all good", but Kespa has brought this upon themselves by pushing those two out to keep the status quo and keep control over all aspects of the korean bw scene.
skill is scissors beating rock
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
August 31 2010 17:51 GMT
#211
On September 01 2010 02:44 ArvickHero wrote:
Fucking shit why do they even ask for some money if MBCGame and OnGameNet are non-profit entities anyways? Goddamn I'm gonna go around and delete GOMplayer from all of our computers.


well they probably make money from ads and stuff but yea this is really sad. chill don't be mean! spotlight this please
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palexhur
Profile Joined May 2010
Colombia730 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-31 17:55:29
August 31 2010 17:53 GMT
#212
I just love these guys like FindingPride, they said like everybody should have a better tought process, and his only reason on why SC2 is better for e-sports than BW is that some big money is already in a tournament and it is new, as somebody already stated: grow up kid, TV ratings (which is what matters in e-sports) dont go in that way, you first need a balance game that really excel from the spectator point of view, something that can reach the casual spectators not only the players, once you got that you need an organization in order to give good and fair content and determine rules, then you need sponsors and broadcasting. So put something else than one neurone and tell me now in those aspects how is SC2 superior than BW?.
wiesel
Profile Joined September 2008
Germany727 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-31 18:04:15
August 31 2010 17:53 GMT
#213
Who cares what Blizzard or Kespa did in the past, too much politics and money involved for anyone to completely understand what's going on. I only know We want PL/MSL/OSL now, today and in the future what's so hard to understand? If Sc2 is as great as people think then it shouldn't be a problem for the popularity of sc2 when the leagues continue and i have no problem if sc2 "legally" grows bigger than BW. But Gretech is scared of PL.
IamAnton
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada335 Posts
August 31 2010 17:55 GMT
#214
MBC had complained they didnt like that they needed a contract per tournament being as MBC has 2 events as opposed to OSL's 1. (this was from an older news post on TL) From what i understand thats always been the main problem and i guess GOM had just suspected MBC would sign by now. the issue with Kespa seems to be the same old both struggling over power, in defense ide take GOM everytime over Kespa because i enjoy english live casting and a more international approach but thats just me. OGN has a contract and can do its next SCBW Season while as of tomorrow MBC would be violating Blizzards ISP rights and i assume be subject to some sort of legal action because of copywrite infringement. (which you would assume if they did violate would really tarnish the tv station).
"Man created God in his own image." - Ludwig Feuerbach
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10679 Posts
August 31 2010 17:57 GMT
#215
I feel so bad about this, Why not let Broodwar continue since it is such a great game??
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
Lokian
Profile Joined March 2010
United States699 Posts
August 31 2010 17:58 GMT
#216
On September 01 2010 02:44 Gregsen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2010 02:42 Lokian wrote:
How come MBC/Kespa won't negotiate? o.o



Reading the thread and what has been said countless times might help.


I read the first couple of pages and its like... /ragequit. Nerds flipping out, and haters going berserk.

The only thing I got was that it was because of money even though OGN happily negotiated.

The other reason is that they just don't like Blizzard and don't want e-sports to grow out beyond SC1.

/awaiting incoming ragefart.
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kickinhead
Profile Joined December 2008
Switzerland2069 Posts
August 31 2010 17:58 GMT
#217
KeSpa sucks sooo hard, why are they so stubborn?

They want freaking world-domination, that's why...
https://soundcloud.com/thesamplethief
Alou
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States3748 Posts
August 31 2010 18:01 GMT
#218
Not a fan of BW dieing, but it seems like Blizzard is going through a lot to make sure SC2 is more successful in Korea. Atleast from my knowledge that's what it seems, but I'm not too up to date on everything
Life is Good.
SoLaR[i.C]
Profile Blog Joined August 2003
United States2969 Posts
August 31 2010 18:06 GMT
#219
I'm fine with this. I'd rather see familiar faces playing new games instead of BW.
Kal_rA
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2925 Posts
August 31 2010 18:06 GMT
#220
why cant both worlds/games/leagues just coexist together? :'(

please keep osl/msl/pl!
Jaedong.
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