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Are they trying to turn the greatest gaming company on earth into the worst overnight or what?
-No Lan -No Chatrooms -No Cross Server play -Facebook Integration -Personal information
Well, they are turning it into a large Dollar sign with your name on it.
- Lan for tournaments (*just an assumption* maybe later for personal use when you are willing to pay extra ) -"interest groups" instead of chatrooms ("Oh Mr. Smith! I see you are in the interestgroup "pedoporn" in starcraft 2.... no wonder you want to be our new Manager for Toys 'R Us !") - Cross Server play if you pay extra - Facebookfeatures (Image your facebook wall: "Adam Smith has joined the group animalfetish in starcraft 2") - Personal Information shown everywhere, so even if you are a casual gamer, people will find out that your name is Scott Martha Focker
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This is by far, the stupidest move Blizzard has made. I was personally extremely turned off by Battle.net 2.0, but this idea makes Battle.net 2.0 look brilliant. What the fuck were these idiots thinking when they made this decision? Isn't not giving out your personal information one of the most basic rules on the internet that these companies are supposed to be encouraging? If this is actually true, this pretty much seals it for me. What little trust I had left for Blizzard is completely gone and I refuse to support any of their products. While this may have great intentions behind it, those intentions do not outweigh the importance of personal privacy.
For everyone supporting this because of some ridiculous notion that it's going to increase accountability, please get your head out of your ass. Maybe if you have a very common name, that's all fine and good for you because it'll make it more difficult for people to find you. I personally know a girl who was stalked in real life because someone online in the gaming world got a hold of her R/L name and found out what city she lived in. I'll tell you right now that there's absolutely nothing funny or good about that. And it's not like they got it directly from her either. He pieced it together bit by bit over time with posts about local events and stuff. You'd be surprised how easily your identity and other personal information can be compromised if someone just gets these little details about you. If you think opening up the doors for that kind of invasion of privacy and potential danger is a brilliant idea just because it might stop some forum trolling, you're a fucking idiot. Just out of sheer curiosity, is there no clause in Blizzard's EULA that talks about them not releasing your private information?
I seriously hope that if this is actually true, that Blizzard will have enough common sense at least not to display any names of minors or at least segregate them from the adult population if this is the case...
As for the issue of potential employment, absolutely, there are definitely employers that won't hire you if they suspect you to be a gamer. I know people who've been told to specifically exclude anyone they suspect to be a gamer, particularly MMORPG players when it comes to hiring simply because the higher ups believe that this will cause them to be unfocused on work and less productive. If you think the entire world is understanding of the fact that video games are more commonly played among adults than ever before, you're sorely mistaken.
Blizzard at this point has officially surpassed every other gaming company ever on the stupidity scale...
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On July 07 2010 13:42 CharlieMurphy wrote: I used a partial name on my bnet account, my email I used is not my facebook one, and I don't give a shit about bnet forums. HOWEVER, this is an outright ridiculous notion that Activision/Blizzard is trying to impose. Are they trying to turn the greatest gaming company on earth into the worst overnight or what?
-No Lan -No Chatrooms -No Cross Server play -Facebook Integration -Personal information
What the fuck is next? Seriously? Do you people even think things through? Hey mr big time shotcaller/CEO you should step down before you run your company into the ground and lose your job you fucking retard
Chatrooms are coming, they are doing something about cross region play, and facebook you need to actual bother tieing your accounts together. Old news travels very slowly around the SC2 community.
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I am going to LMAO if Activision is actually able to not only tarnish, but really undo all of the reputation of not one, but two of the most respected game developers in under 2 years time (Infinity Ward being the first dev obviously). I didn't think it was possible to dislike Blizzard, but it seems I was mistaken.
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On July 07 2010 13:32 Elegy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 13:24 superman. wrote: Do you guys really think, even if you have an unusual name, that if an employer googled your name, and saw someone that may or may not be you posting on a game forum, could possibly effect your employment chances?
How would they even know if it is you...? Oh yes. Especially at middle/upper tier government jobs, this is bad. Government jobs are fun i got a friend who didn't tell me that he added my name as someone to testify for his character until after the g-man came over to my house to interview me about him.
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On July 07 2010 13:56 Archerofaiur wrote:
Oh god. Dude just delete his phone number. Hes an idiot for "challenging" you to post it but seriously his family is gonna start getting calls and stuff.
They shouldnt have to suffer cause their son is a retard.
lmao it won't be the end of the world. while i kind of agree with you I think it's hilarious !
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In an old game I played, a GM lost his job because of something similar to whats happenign to bashiok. A group of hackers messed up the servers because they (as white hat hackers) were trying to be baited in by a GM, the white hat hackers didn't fall for it and started going black hat. Eventually they made websites and distributed the GM's information, completely personal information, everything about him. He had to leave his job and probably had to move, change his email, his phone number, etc. Pretty harsh to try to do that to Bashiok when it probably isn't his fault. Don't turn our beautiful blizzard community into another version of 4chan.
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Activision truely is the DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
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going to be a big possibility when they see a very good picture of you in the net (Like being drunk, or looking like a stupid ass) big chances of being an internet meme phenomena
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On July 07 2010 13:10 Takkara wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 13:05 superman. wrote: There are way too many pages and this thread is moving too quickly, with the well formulated posts too spread out, so could someone just answer my question, which is "what's the big deal?"
Are people like worried that their real life friends will see them on the forums and see that they are nerds or something?
I see that this is a hot issue, and I truly do not understand.
btw my name is elias paul miller. lul It is moving too fast. These are some of the issues. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5648910+ Show Spoiler +It's not a matter of pride or people hiding who they are. We don't have to deal with this anonymity problem generally in our real lives. Each place we go is compartmentalized generally with relatively little overlap.
For example, I can go out to the bar with friends and we have our conversations, our modes of speak, and a shared level of knowledge that we feel comfortable sharing. We may go to our therapist and have a different set of conversations and shared knowledge. We then go to work, to the gym, to a store, etc.
The issue with the internet is that these places aren't compartmentalized. They're cross-referenceable. A name is one of the ways to draw together all the threads. The anonymity on the Internet allows us to take back some of that privacy that the Internet is inherently not designed to provide. This doesn't mean that people should misrepresent themselves wherever they choose to associate, but it does mean that I shouldn't have to use information that unnecessarily connects my different associations online.
In a future Internet that behaves this way, should someone need to fear when they go post on some medical forum or legal forum for advice and guidance, and then that gets dredged up when someone posts on a discussion board or another gaming board?
Just because someone knows your name, doesn't end your life. Clearly it doesn't. It doesn't guarantee that your identity gets stolen. It doesn't necessarily mean anything. But it's a lot more threatening than people give it credit for. It's just a sign of the time, perhaps. In an age where the day after someone like Joe the Plumber appears on the scene, Internet sleuths can find out if he owes back taxes, ever had any tickets, whether he's a real plumber, etc and cast serious aspersion on his character and his life, do we really want to turn a blind eye while companies like Blizzard help with this?
Think about the politicians who end up having to drop out of races because of something they wrote in college. Politicians and celebrities have to go through therapy and training to deal with the increased scrutiny and decreased privacy that they typically have. Attaching our personally identifiable information to things we do online is just one step towards making that the norm for everybody.
The answer to this is persistent aliases. Let me choose how I want to be called, but make me stick to it and not arbitrarily change that. That's fair. Now, I'm accountable for what I write, but I have no fear that what I say no matter how innocuous can be linked back to something else. If someone wants to write in a thread about Gay Gaming or something like that, they don't have to be worried that that gets traced back to their facebook, to their work, or wherever.
There're far larger philosophical and practical considerations to this than just the exact repercussions of Blizzard posting your name next to your whine about TvZ balance. Sometimes you have to look one step farther on these things. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=5649022+ Show Spoiler +It's my business if I want to be proud of who I am to the extent of telling everyone about it, or if I want to create an internet persona and not attach my gaming habits to my real name. You may not be experiencing this yourself, but a GREAT many people are, in their own lives, connected to a lot of ignorant, selfish, volatile, presumptuous, and WORSE people, who we none the less love and don't want to have to cut ourselves off from.
This being the case, use at least 2% of your imagination and think about just a few of the myriad reasons you might want or even NEED to hide your real name on the public internet to avoid friction with your real life situation. Do you have any family members that google your name on a weekly basis looking for dirt, and then email you about it? Email your mom? Post on your facebook (I've long, long since disabled my facebook due to these behaviors)? Are you related to politically active fundamentalist christians who would be extremely angry about you playing and supporting "the devil's games?" Hey! All of the above are part of my situation. I don't post on the WoW boards, ever, and I certainly won't after this,
This is an extremely bad precedent for the internet as a whole for a vast number of reasons, and I really weep and face-palm at all the people without the imagination to think outside their own tiny little situation and see how this change might affect other people. So you sit around here defending this change with your little presumptions and party lines. Man, if only you could see yourselves as I see you.
Don't you get the feeling that you're being straight up dicked with like a little toy soldier? Like some corporate asshole is sitting in his office trying to solve problems he doesn't understand, from a bird's eye view with no connection to the problems the solution is causing? Are you really so naive as to think THERE'S NO DANGER in using your real name on the internet? Do you think that the countless places it's already being used changes the fact that using it in more places is a BAD IDEA? Don't you get that this a very bad precedent which needs to be vehemently opposed so it doesn't become the norm? When Activision and Blizzard do the same thing with the next game and the next game, and the game after that, and then EA and 2K do it too, will you just keep accepting it? Will you accept the idea that "well, I don't want to post my real name on the public internet, I guess I'm not allowed to post anywhere" one day, maybe less than a decade away? http://www.tankspot.com/showthread.php?68744-RealID-Unethical-and-Dangerous+ Show Spoiler +RealID -- Unethical and Dangerous
The RealID changes to Blizzard's official forums are unequivocally unethical and potentially dangerous. The community response on their official forums -- as well as nearly every fansite -- is huge and overwhelmingly negative.
Blizzard's stated goal is to help reduce trolling on the forums. The idea is that when a poster has an identity they can't escape, they're less likely to threaten their reputation. Their other, less-discussed goal is the creation of a Blizzard-owned Facebook which they can directly monetize and which can also provide an advertising platform for future games.
They're doing this entirely at the expense of your personal privacy. If you want to use a service you had used in the past, you now have to be willing to post your real name to the public alongside every post.
Here's where the problems are: Employment -- Posting to Blizzard's forums will now show up for any employer doing a search on your name. Given Blizzard's search engine rankings, you can bet this will be pretty high up on the list of results. No matter how unfair, many employers will look on this negatively.
Women -- Many women playing the game choose to conceal their gender to avoid harassment. Whether fair or not, posting publicly with their real name will not only be uncomfortable for some but could very well lead to direct sexual harassment in and out of game.
Minors -- Any parent will need to be far more concerned about their children's activities on Blizzard sites than they currently are. This is especially true in any case where a child's real name can be found or their address can be tracked.
Uncommon Names -- Anyone with an uncommon name can much more easily be tracked.
Security & Hacked Accounts -- Blizzard is not doing a good job safeguarding accounts. If they have another breach in their account system, it won't matter how clean your own computer is -- a malicious user could be posting under your name, leaving a permanent and damaging trail. This move probably will get rid of trolls. It is certain to get rid of a lot of good posters, too. Unfortunately, the forums are also one of their main avenues for both customer and technical support, and users are often redirected to them even while on the phone w/ those departments.
You will never see another post from me on their forums. I've already given my name out via other platforms, but those were my choice, and those were done in a setting where I can completely control how a potential employer views it. I know a number of other good users who are being faced with this same decision and coming to the same conclusion.
You don't need to be a security or privacy rights advocate to understand how bad this can be for you or your friends on a personal level. Just a smattering. I apologize for the great posts I've missed. This thread is moving fast, I've likely read them all, but I can't remember them offhand at the moment.
With this info all I can say is:
HUSKY! DO ANOTHER VIDEO OF KITTENS PLZ PLZ PLZ PLZ PLZ!
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This recent update is a direct buff to 4chan.
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For everyone in favor of this bullshit decision, you need to think about the fact that the people who are opposed to this are opposed to it for a vast number of different reasons. It's like you have some retarded idea in your head that we want to remain anonymous because we're ashamed of our nerdy gaming habit when there are countless problems with giving out people's information on the internet:
-Women get harassed/solicited -Children get harassed/solicited -Non-whites get harassed (/solicited?) -Identity theft is that much easier -Spamming/datamining is that much easier -Employers can more easily monitor your off-duty activity, which may not mean much if you work in data entry or McDonalds, but for people who are Teachers or at key positions in a company this can lead to problems, even more so because of their increased risk of identity theft.
-Here's the biggest reason: We don't fucking want it. Personally I could care less about the forums, I'm just not going to post there, but just because I had a good game with someone and want to add them to my friends list doesn't mean I want them to know my name.
There's a reason why people like hiding behind anonymity on the internet: So the stupid shit that happens there no matter what doesn't affect your real life. So you have to live with all the trolls on the forums, big fucking deal. IMO it's a small price to pay for people not to get stalked/harassed/raped/or have their personal information stolen and sold to the highest bidder.
If you want your information displayed, fine, but the rest of us want the option to turn it off.
This makes me just want to pirate the game.
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This recent update is a direct buff to 4chan.
I may be outing myself but what is a 4chan? The only thing I found is a crappy internetsite O_o
EDIT: Wow.... i missed an internet phenomenon and the birthplace of Lolcats and Rickrolling!
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what is 4chan ? can somebody explain it to me i honestly have no idea and a lot of people have been mentioning it :o
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I feel really bad for people with extremely ethnic names or goofy names. A lot of people like to use the internet because it's an escape from things in their real life. If my name was Harry Pitts (this is a real person), I'd prefer that everyone on the internet didn't see it every time I wanted to talk about SC2. Someone with a traditionally black or mexican name will now be open to stereotypes and racism. Because the internet still isn't face-to-face, people will still openly be prejudiced even with this new system in place.
I just don't understand the mentality behind this move at all.
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On July 07 2010 14:32 Drakan wrote: what is 4chan ? can somebody explain it to me i honestly have no idea and a lot of people have been mentioning it :o
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4chan
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I just want an option to opt out of this Real-ID and facebook in SC2 but still play the game.
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When I created my Battle.net 2.0 account, I used a (humorous) fake name, so that when I got spam emails addressing me as that particular fake name I would know to whom Blizzard sold my email address.
What's going to happen if I link SC2 to that account? If I post on the forums, am I going to get banned (probably)? From just the forums, or from SC2 entirely?
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I don't know whether or not this has been posted yet or not because I'm not going to read through 78 pages, but I think I have a solution to all this Real ID shenanigans.
It first came to my mind when I thought what parents would think about this and then I realized as I was browsing my battle.net account to try and change my name that there were parental controls. So I did what any normal human being would do and I set up parental controls for myself. Most of it pertained to World of Warcraft but you can choose to not enable Real ID.
![[image loading]](http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/842/realid.png)
I don't know how it would affect the forums, it probably just won't let you post, but by not enabling Real ID I no longer have to worry about Blizzard sharing my personal information, I encourage other privacy loving users to do the same because I simply cannot trust Blizzard anymore with my personal information.
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