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RawK
Profile Joined April 2010
United States125 Posts
July 07 2010 22:24 GMT
#2061
LOL That hitler video is hillarious. Usually the subtitles are terrible, whoever made that earns a +1
Hail to the Thief. RawK > http://bit.ly/b3gS25
vileChAnCe
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada525 Posts
July 07 2010 22:28 GMT
#2062
On July 08 2010 07:13 Helios.Star wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2010 07:11 Spidermonkey wrote:
On July 08 2010 06:56 twiggy wrote:
On July 08 2010 06:54 Spidermonkey wrote:
On July 08 2010 06:48 twiggy wrote:
On July 08 2010 06:39 Mjolnir wrote:
On July 08 2010 06:21 Bowdz wrote:
Not sure if this has been posted yet, but it is pretty hilarious/scary and should serve as an example of the dangers with which this presents: http://seewhatyoudidthere.com/2010/07/07/realid-changes-the-very-real-ease-of-stalking-in-the-internet-age/

I just finished canceling my pre order for SC2. This is just a road I don't want to follow Blizzard down.


Yeah, it's this sort of thing that makes me wonder why anyone thinks this is a good idea - at all.

Is this sort of risk worth losing some forum trolls (which I still don't believe is the actual reason behind the change)? Why not just moderate the forums better. Some short term pain for a long-term message that trolling and nastiness won't be tolerated. It seems to work well here at TL.net

Lots of advocates of this change are saying that people who don't like it just need to be accountable for their actions; but as the link quoted above shows, you can't be accountable for other people's actions.

I guess there's always the option to not participate in that particular forum - I know I won't be. Still, seems like a big move in the wrong direction - it sets quite a precedent.



Suddenly people are having trust issues? Everyday you trust your life in thousands of other people that you don't know and will never meet. And yet people are now only worried about that 1 chance in the billions that someone thinks they're important enough to be stalked.

I understand there's fear. It's perfectly legitimate. Unfortunately (to most people), I see this as a positive. Why? Because online social interaction is becoming huge. Anonymity shouldn't be some luxury to hide behind because you feel like being a bully/ass/boarderling criminal.

Yes, this does ruin it for the honest and nice people. I'm not going to even try to bring that down. But we all KNOW that it's the bad apples that spoils it for the rest. Unfortunately, that's what's happening here. I just think it has to be done, if not here and now with real.id (if blizz backs out) but it will happen eventually.


Online Social interactoin isn't always a good thing. It has spawned an outbreak of cyber bullies. People feel more comfortable or safer typing out insults and threats than saying them in person because the personal interaction is removed and you feel safer doing it; thus bulling has increased over the past few years.

http://www.stopcyberbullying.org/what_is_cyberbullying_exactly.html


My interpretation of what you just wrote encourages real.id. Is this right?


Then your interpretation is completely wrong. These kids know one another from school and go to online media to harass other kids. What Blizzard is doing is giving out your info so that if you do upset someone they can track you down and continue to bully you.

Look at what has already happend to the Blizzard employee Bashiok. The proof is already there that this is a BAD idea. I can log in, never post, and start looking up personal info on people that have posted things.

Posters will not be anonymous, the stalkers will be.





I really like that line, that pretty much sums it up.


Stalkers will always be anonymous in any situation thats what they do
Stalkers already had the potential to find stuff about you thats what they do
Serious Stalkers are completely different from trolls, its a serious crime and no fake or real ID changes the game for them

You children need to grow up and realize noone cares about you one bit, your first and last name mean NOTHING to ANYONE. Your CRITICAL INFO OF FIRST AND LAST NAME IS NOT SERIOUS BUSINESS, anything that's divulged from that is a crime that could happen in ANY SITUATION.

Everything Blizzard does has no personal grievance towards you
They don't randomly make changes without investing months of research into whether its a good idea or not

They fully know how stupid their consumer is and anticipated outcries because that's what you guys like to do. They still went ahead with the change because they've invested more time thinking what is good for you then you have.

TLDR;

the display of your real life name does not increase your chances of being harassed because people still don't give a shit about you.
Day[9] i've broken 6 mice, 5 keyboards, 3 pairs of headphones, and a mousepad, all from raging after starcraft losing streaks
Thenas
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden107 Posts
July 07 2010 22:29 GMT
#2063
I divine a sudden increase in TL user accounts in the near future.

I'd rather have forum trolls than some maniac with a lead pipe outside my house cos he doesn't agree with my opinion.
Not likely to happen but I'd rather have the probability at 0.0% rather than 0.1%.
Polis
Profile Joined January 2005
Poland1292 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-07 22:33:03
July 07 2010 22:30 GMT
#2064
On July 08 2010 07:18 twiggy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2010 07:11 Spidermonkey wrote:
On July 08 2010 06:56 twiggy wrote:
On July 08 2010 06:54 Spidermonkey wrote:
On July 08 2010 06:48 twiggy wrote:
On July 08 2010 06:39 Mjolnir wrote:
On July 08 2010 06:21 Bowdz wrote:
Not sure if this has been posted yet, but it is pretty hilarious/scary and should serve as an example of the dangers with which this presents: http://seewhatyoudidthere.com/2010/07/07/realid-changes-the-very-real-ease-of-stalking-in-the-internet-age/

I just finished canceling my pre order for SC2. This is just a road I don't want to follow Blizzard down.


Yeah, it's this sort of thing that makes me wonder why anyone thinks this is a good idea - at all.

Is this sort of risk worth losing some forum trolls (which I still don't believe is the actual reason behind the change)? Why not just moderate the forums better. Some short term pain for a long-term message that trolling and nastiness won't be tolerated. It seems to work well here at TL.net

Lots of advocates of this change are saying that people who don't like it just need to be accountable for their actions; but as the link quoted above shows, you can't be accountable for other people's actions.

I guess there's always the option to not participate in that particular forum - I know I won't be. Still, seems like a big move in the wrong direction - it sets quite a precedent.



Suddenly people are having trust issues? Everyday you trust your life in thousands of other people that you don't know and will never meet. And yet people are now only worried about that 1 chance in the billions that someone thinks they're important enough to be stalked.

I understand there's fear. It's perfectly legitimate. Unfortunately (to most people), I see this as a positive. Why? Because online social interaction is becoming huge. Anonymity shouldn't be some luxury to hide behind because you feel like being a bully/ass/boarderling criminal.

Yes, this does ruin it for the honest and nice people. I'm not going to even try to bring that down. But we all KNOW that it's the bad apples that spoils it for the rest. Unfortunately, that's what's happening here. I just think it has to be done, if not here and now with real.id (if blizz backs out) but it will happen eventually.


Online Social interactoin isn't always a good thing. It has spawned an outbreak of cyber bullies. People feel more comfortable or safer typing out insults and threats than saying them in person because the personal interaction is removed and you feel safer doing it; thus bulling has increased over the past few years.

http://www.stopcyberbullying.org/what_is_cyberbullying_exactly.html


My interpretation of what you just wrote encourages real.id. Is this right?


Then your interpretation is completely wrong. These kids know one another from school and go to online media to harass other kids. What Blizzard is doing is giving out your info so that if you do upset someone they can track you down and continue to bully you.

Look at what has already happend to the Blizzard employee Bashiok. The proof is already there that this is a BAD idea. I can log in, never post, and start looking up personal info on people that have posted things.

Posters will not be anonymous, the stalkers will be.




Fair enough, in terms of what could happen with stalkers being anonymous. However, you have to develop some sort of obsession to want to stalk someone. How do you do that with no interaction?


Teenager could do it just becouse he got annoyed by a post, he wouldn't have to respond to it. There is many people sending hate email to public speakers, that they disagree with despite never arguing with them personally, and they are grown ups.
Myles
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5162 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-07 22:32:03
July 07 2010 22:30 GMT
#2065
On July 08 2010 07:28 Whomp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2010 07:13 Helios.Star wrote:
On July 08 2010 07:11 Spidermonkey wrote:
On July 08 2010 06:56 twiggy wrote:
On July 08 2010 06:54 Spidermonkey wrote:
On July 08 2010 06:48 twiggy wrote:
On July 08 2010 06:39 Mjolnir wrote:
On July 08 2010 06:21 Bowdz wrote:
Not sure if this has been posted yet, but it is pretty hilarious/scary and should serve as an example of the dangers with which this presents: http://seewhatyoudidthere.com/2010/07/07/realid-changes-the-very-real-ease-of-stalking-in-the-internet-age/

I just finished canceling my pre order for SC2. This is just a road I don't want to follow Blizzard down.


Yeah, it's this sort of thing that makes me wonder why anyone thinks this is a good idea - at all.

Is this sort of risk worth losing some forum trolls (which I still don't believe is the actual reason behind the change)? Why not just moderate the forums better. Some short term pain for a long-term message that trolling and nastiness won't be tolerated. It seems to work well here at TL.net

Lots of advocates of this change are saying that people who don't like it just need to be accountable for their actions; but as the link quoted above shows, you can't be accountable for other people's actions.

I guess there's always the option to not participate in that particular forum - I know I won't be. Still, seems like a big move in the wrong direction - it sets quite a precedent.



Suddenly people are having trust issues? Everyday you trust your life in thousands of other people that you don't know and will never meet. And yet people are now only worried about that 1 chance in the billions that someone thinks they're important enough to be stalked.

I understand there's fear. It's perfectly legitimate. Unfortunately (to most people), I see this as a positive. Why? Because online social interaction is becoming huge. Anonymity shouldn't be some luxury to hide behind because you feel like being a bully/ass/boarderling criminal.

Yes, this does ruin it for the honest and nice people. I'm not going to even try to bring that down. But we all KNOW that it's the bad apples that spoils it for the rest. Unfortunately, that's what's happening here. I just think it has to be done, if not here and now with real.id (if blizz backs out) but it will happen eventually.


Online Social interactoin isn't always a good thing. It has spawned an outbreak of cyber bullies. People feel more comfortable or safer typing out insults and threats than saying them in person because the personal interaction is removed and you feel safer doing it; thus bulling has increased over the past few years.

http://www.stopcyberbullying.org/what_is_cyberbullying_exactly.html


My interpretation of what you just wrote encourages real.id. Is this right?


Then your interpretation is completely wrong. These kids know one another from school and go to online media to harass other kids. What Blizzard is doing is giving out your info so that if you do upset someone they can track you down and continue to bully you.

Look at what has already happend to the Blizzard employee Bashiok. The proof is already there that this is a BAD idea. I can log in, never post, and start looking up personal info on people that have posted things.

Posters will not be anonymous, the stalkers will be.





I really like that line, that pretty much sums it up.


Stalkers will always be anonymous in any situation thats what they do
Stalkers already had the potential to find stuff about you thats what they do
Serious Stalkers are completely different from trolls, its a serious crime and no fake or real ID changes the game for them

You children need to grow up and realize noone cares about you one bit, your first and last name mean NOTHING to ANYONE. Your CRITICAL INFO OF FIRST AND LAST NAME IS NOT SERIOUS BUSINESS, anything that's divulged from that is a crime that could happen in ANY SITUATION.

Everything Blizzard does has no personal grievance towards you
They don't randomly make changes without investing months of research into whether its a good idea or not

They fully know how stupid their consumer is and anticipated outcries because that's what you guys like to do. They still went ahead with the change because they've invested more time thinking what is good for you then you have.

TLDR;

the display of your real life name does not increase your chances of being harassed because people still don't give a shit about you.


How naive. Most people don't care, but all it takes is one. Without my full name there is zero chance of people finding out who I am. With my full name it takes one google search.
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purerythem
Profile Joined June 2009
United States245 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-07 22:36:35
July 07 2010 22:32 GMT
#2066
On July 08 2010 06:52 Salvarias wrote:
You guys do realize this is breaking the term of agreement "we will not give out personal infomation" part right ?, though I bet it's been changed by now, but it was part of the term of agreement when I made my b.net account, even if all my info is fake


I'm not sure if this applies just to WoW or across all blizzard platforms and even bnet. but in the TOS:

C. Blizzard may, with or without notice to you, disclose your Internet Protocol (IP) address(es), personal information, Chat logs, and other information about you and your activities: (a) in response to a request by law enforcement, a court order or other legal process; or (b) if Blizzard believes that doing so may protect your safety or the safety of others.

Here it is for Bnet

http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/about/termsofuse.html?rhtml=y

Section E

Content Screening and Disclosure.
We do not, and cannot, pre-screen or monitor all User Content. However, our representatives may monitor and/or record your communications (including without limitation chat text) when you are using the Service or playing a Game, and you hereby provide your irrevocable consent to such monitoring and recording. You acknowledge and agree that you have no expectation of privacy concerning the transmission of any User Content, including without limitation chat text or voice communications. We do not assume any responsibility or liability for User Content that is generated by users. We have the right, but not the obligation, in our sole discretion to edit, refuse to post, or remove any User Content. WE ALSO RESERVE THE RIGHT, AT ALL TIMES AND IN OUR SOLE DISCRETION, TO DISCLOSE ANY USER CONTENT AND OTHER INFORMATION (INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION CHAT TEXT, VOICE COMMUNICATIONS, IP ADDRESSES, AND YOUR PERSONAL INFORMATION) FOR ANY REASON, including without limitation (a) to satisfy any applicable law, regulation, legal process or governmental request; (b) to enforce the terms of this or any other agreement or Blizzard policy; (c) to protect our legal rights and remedies; (d) where we feel someone's health or safety may be threatened; or (e) to report a crime or other offensive behavior.
Spidermonkey
Profile Joined April 2010
United States251 Posts
July 07 2010 22:32 GMT
#2067
On July 08 2010 07:30 Myles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2010 07:28 Whomp wrote:
On July 08 2010 07:13 Helios.Star wrote:
On July 08 2010 07:11 Spidermonkey wrote:
On July 08 2010 06:56 twiggy wrote:
On July 08 2010 06:54 Spidermonkey wrote:
On July 08 2010 06:48 twiggy wrote:
On July 08 2010 06:39 Mjolnir wrote:
On July 08 2010 06:21 Bowdz wrote:
Not sure if this has been posted yet, but it is pretty hilarious/scary and should serve as an example of the dangers with which this presents: http://seewhatyoudidthere.com/2010/07/07/realid-changes-the-very-real-ease-of-stalking-in-the-internet-age/

I just finished canceling my pre order for SC2. This is just a road I don't want to follow Blizzard down.


Yeah, it's this sort of thing that makes me wonder why anyone thinks this is a good idea - at all.

Is this sort of risk worth losing some forum trolls (which I still don't believe is the actual reason behind the change)? Why not just moderate the forums better. Some short term pain for a long-term message that trolling and nastiness won't be tolerated. It seems to work well here at TL.net

Lots of advocates of this change are saying that people who don't like it just need to be accountable for their actions; but as the link quoted above shows, you can't be accountable for other people's actions.

I guess there's always the option to not participate in that particular forum - I know I won't be. Still, seems like a big move in the wrong direction - it sets quite a precedent.



Suddenly people are having trust issues? Everyday you trust your life in thousands of other people that you don't know and will never meet. And yet people are now only worried about that 1 chance in the billions that someone thinks they're important enough to be stalked.

I understand there's fear. It's perfectly legitimate. Unfortunately (to most people), I see this as a positive. Why? Because online social interaction is becoming huge. Anonymity shouldn't be some luxury to hide behind because you feel like being a bully/ass/boarderling criminal.

Yes, this does ruin it for the honest and nice people. I'm not going to even try to bring that down. But we all KNOW that it's the bad apples that spoils it for the rest. Unfortunately, that's what's happening here. I just think it has to be done, if not here and now with real.id (if blizz backs out) but it will happen eventually.


Online Social interactoin isn't always a good thing. It has spawned an outbreak of cyber bullies. People feel more comfortable or safer typing out insults and threats than saying them in person because the personal interaction is removed and you feel safer doing it; thus bulling has increased over the past few years.

http://www.stopcyberbullying.org/what_is_cyberbullying_exactly.html


My interpretation of what you just wrote encourages real.id. Is this right?


Then your interpretation is completely wrong. These kids know one another from school and go to online media to harass other kids. What Blizzard is doing is giving out your info so that if you do upset someone they can track you down and continue to bully you.

Look at what has already happend to the Blizzard employee Bashiok. The proof is already there that this is a BAD idea. I can log in, never post, and start looking up personal info on people that have posted things.

Posters will not be anonymous, the stalkers will be.





I really like that line, that pretty much sums it up.


Stalkers will always be anonymous in any situation thats what they do
Stalkers already had the potential to find stuff about you thats what they do
Serious Stalkers are completely different from trolls, its a serious crime and no fake or real ID changes the game for them

You children need to grow up and realize noone cares about you one bit, your first and last name mean NOTHING to ANYONE. Your CRITICAL INFO OF FIRST AND LAST NAME IS NOT SERIOUS BUSINESS, anything that's divulged from that is a crime that could happen in ANY SITUATION.

Everything Blizzard does has no personal grievance towards you
They don't randomly make changes without investing months of research into whether its a good idea or not

They fully know how stupid their consumer is and anticipated outcries because that's what you guys like to do. They still went ahead with the change because they've invested more time thinking what is good for you then you have.

TLDR;

the display of your real life name does not increase your chances of being harassed because people still don't give a shit about you.


How naive.


Apparently he isn't following all the changes to B.net2.0 that Blizzard is making because their first brilliant ideas were deemed total crap by the community and now they have to fix it.
~ Richard Trahan
Xiphiass
Profile Joined July 2010
Latvia144 Posts
July 07 2010 22:35 GMT
#2068
Now this is what I call a Thursday night.
Is that you, John Wayne? Is this me?
Helios.Star
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States548 Posts
July 07 2010 22:35 GMT
#2069
On July 08 2010 07:28 Whomp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2010 07:13 Helios.Star wrote:
On July 08 2010 07:11 Spidermonkey wrote:
On July 08 2010 06:56 twiggy wrote:
On July 08 2010 06:54 Spidermonkey wrote:
On July 08 2010 06:48 twiggy wrote:
On July 08 2010 06:39 Mjolnir wrote:
On July 08 2010 06:21 Bowdz wrote:
Not sure if this has been posted yet, but it is pretty hilarious/scary and should serve as an example of the dangers with which this presents: http://seewhatyoudidthere.com/2010/07/07/realid-changes-the-very-real-ease-of-stalking-in-the-internet-age/

I just finished canceling my pre order for SC2. This is just a road I don't want to follow Blizzard down.


Yeah, it's this sort of thing that makes me wonder why anyone thinks this is a good idea - at all.

Is this sort of risk worth losing some forum trolls (which I still don't believe is the actual reason behind the change)? Why not just moderate the forums better. Some short term pain for a long-term message that trolling and nastiness won't be tolerated. It seems to work well here at TL.net

Lots of advocates of this change are saying that people who don't like it just need to be accountable for their actions; but as the link quoted above shows, you can't be accountable for other people's actions.

I guess there's always the option to not participate in that particular forum - I know I won't be. Still, seems like a big move in the wrong direction - it sets quite a precedent.



Suddenly people are having trust issues? Everyday you trust your life in thousands of other people that you don't know and will never meet. And yet people are now only worried about that 1 chance in the billions that someone thinks they're important enough to be stalked.

I understand there's fear. It's perfectly legitimate. Unfortunately (to most people), I see this as a positive. Why? Because online social interaction is becoming huge. Anonymity shouldn't be some luxury to hide behind because you feel like being a bully/ass/boarderling criminal.

Yes, this does ruin it for the honest and nice people. I'm not going to even try to bring that down. But we all KNOW that it's the bad apples that spoils it for the rest. Unfortunately, that's what's happening here. I just think it has to be done, if not here and now with real.id (if blizz backs out) but it will happen eventually.


Online Social interactoin isn't always a good thing. It has spawned an outbreak of cyber bullies. People feel more comfortable or safer typing out insults and threats than saying them in person because the personal interaction is removed and you feel safer doing it; thus bulling has increased over the past few years.

http://www.stopcyberbullying.org/what_is_cyberbullying_exactly.html


My interpretation of what you just wrote encourages real.id. Is this right?


Then your interpretation is completely wrong. These kids know one another from school and go to online media to harass other kids. What Blizzard is doing is giving out your info so that if you do upset someone they can track you down and continue to bully you.

Look at what has already happend to the Blizzard employee Bashiok. The proof is already there that this is a BAD idea. I can log in, never post, and start looking up personal info on people that have posted things.

Posters will not be anonymous, the stalkers will be.





I really like that line, that pretty much sums it up.


Stalkers will always be anonymous in any situation thats what they do
Stalkers already had the potential to find stuff about you thats what they do
Serious Stalkers are completely different from trolls, its a serious crime and no fake or real ID changes the game for them

You children need to grow up and realize noone cares about you one bit, your first and last name mean NOTHING to ANYONE. Your CRITICAL INFO OF FIRST AND LAST NAME IS NOT SERIOUS BUSINESS, anything that's divulged from that is a crime that could happen in ANY SITUATION.

Everything Blizzard does has no personal grievance towards you
They don't randomly make changes without investing months of research into whether its a good idea or not

They fully know how stupid their consumer is and anticipated outcries because that's what you guys like to do. They still went ahead with the change because they've invested more time thinking what is good for you then you have.

TLDR;

the display of your real life name does not increase your chances of being harassed because people still don't give a shit about you.


People have harassed just because they can, and for no other reason. All of Bashioks info was exposed for no other reason than to prove a point, not because people were obsessed with him. Would that have happened if he didn't post his real name on the forums? Yeah a stalker can get your into before the real.id system, and a dedicated car thief can steal my car whenever he wants, but I'm not going to leave my keys in the ignition with the windows rolled down and the doors unlocked.

And this is about more than just being harassed for some people. If I make a post on the forums I don't need a potential employer seeing it and not hiring me because he has some bias towards gamers, or because he didn't agree with something I said.
Bibdy
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3481 Posts
July 07 2010 22:35 GMT
#2070
Guys, guys, think of the RP opportunities.

Now you can play James Raynor IRL by enacting vigilante justice on all forum trolls.
Ventez
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway107 Posts
July 07 2010 22:36 GMT
#2071
[image loading]
Spidermonkey
Profile Joined April 2010
United States251 Posts
July 07 2010 22:40 GMT
#2072
On July 08 2010 07:36 Ventez wrote:
[image loading]


HAHAHAHHAHA ROFL That is great.
~ Richard Trahan
Clamev
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Germany498 Posts
July 07 2010 22:40 GMT
#2073
On July 08 2010 07:28 Whomp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2010 07:13 Helios.Star wrote:
On July 08 2010 07:11 Spidermonkey wrote:
On July 08 2010 06:56 twiggy wrote:
On July 08 2010 06:54 Spidermonkey wrote:
On July 08 2010 06:48 twiggy wrote:
On July 08 2010 06:39 Mjolnir wrote:
On July 08 2010 06:21 Bowdz wrote:
Not sure if this has been posted yet, but it is pretty hilarious/scary and should serve as an example of the dangers with which this presents: http://seewhatyoudidthere.com/2010/07/07/realid-changes-the-very-real-ease-of-stalking-in-the-internet-age/

I just finished canceling my pre order for SC2. This is just a road I don't want to follow Blizzard down.


Yeah, it's this sort of thing that makes me wonder why anyone thinks this is a good idea - at all.

Is this sort of risk worth losing some forum trolls (which I still don't believe is the actual reason behind the change)? Why not just moderate the forums better. Some short term pain for a long-term message that trolling and nastiness won't be tolerated. It seems to work well here at TL.net

Lots of advocates of this change are saying that people who don't like it just need to be accountable for their actions; but as the link quoted above shows, you can't be accountable for other people's actions.

I guess there's always the option to not participate in that particular forum - I know I won't be. Still, seems like a big move in the wrong direction - it sets quite a precedent.



Suddenly people are having trust issues? Everyday you trust your life in thousands of other people that you don't know and will never meet. And yet people are now only worried about that 1 chance in the billions that someone thinks they're important enough to be stalked.

I understand there's fear. It's perfectly legitimate. Unfortunately (to most people), I see this as a positive. Why? Because online social interaction is becoming huge. Anonymity shouldn't be some luxury to hide behind because you feel like being a bully/ass/boarderling criminal.

Yes, this does ruin it for the honest and nice people. I'm not going to even try to bring that down. But we all KNOW that it's the bad apples that spoils it for the rest. Unfortunately, that's what's happening here. I just think it has to be done, if not here and now with real.id (if blizz backs out) but it will happen eventually.


Online Social interactoin isn't always a good thing. It has spawned an outbreak of cyber bullies. People feel more comfortable or safer typing out insults and threats than saying them in person because the personal interaction is removed and you feel safer doing it; thus bulling has increased over the past few years.

http://www.stopcyberbullying.org/what_is_cyberbullying_exactly.html


My interpretation of what you just wrote encourages real.id. Is this right?


Then your interpretation is completely wrong. These kids know one another from school and go to online media to harass other kids. What Blizzard is doing is giving out your info so that if you do upset someone they can track you down and continue to bully you.

Look at what has already happend to the Blizzard employee Bashiok. The proof is already there that this is a BAD idea. I can log in, never post, and start looking up personal info on people that have posted things.

Posters will not be anonymous, the stalkers will be.





I really like that line, that pretty much sums it up.


Stalkers will always be anonymous in any situation thats what they do
Stalkers already had the potential to find stuff about you thats what they do
Serious Stalkers are completely different from trolls, its a serious crime and no fake or real ID changes the game for them

You children need to grow up and realize noone cares about you one bit, your first and last name mean NOTHING to ANYONE. Your CRITICAL INFO OF FIRST AND LAST NAME IS NOT SERIOUS BUSINESS, anything that's divulged from that is a crime that could happen in ANY SITUATION.

Everything Blizzard does has no personal grievance towards you
They don't randomly make changes without investing months of research into whether its a good idea or not

They fully know how stupid their consumer is and anticipated outcries because that's what you guys like to do. They still went ahead with the change because they've invested more time thinking what is good for you then you have.

TLDR;

the display of your real life name does not increase your chances of being harassed because people still don't give a shit about you.

You obviously have never interacted with female gamers online.
Just because people don´t give about YOU doesn´t mean they don´t care about other people.
And yeah i feel empathy for other people who just want to enyio the game
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gospelwut
Profile Joined April 2010
United States52 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-07 22:45:03
July 07 2010 22:44 GMT
#2074
On July 08 2010 07:16 twiggy wrote:
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On July 08 2010 07:04 gospelwut wrote:
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On July 08 2010 06:48 twiggy wrote:
On July 08 2010 06:39 Mjolnir wrote:
On July 08 2010 06:21 Bowdz wrote:
Not sure if this has been posted yet, but it is pretty hilarious/scary and should serve as an example of the dangers with which this presents: http://seewhatyoudidthere.com/2010/07/07/realid-changes-the-very-real-ease-of-stalking-in-the-internet-age/

I just finished canceling my pre order for SC2. This is just a road I don't want to follow Blizzard down.


Yeah, it's this sort of thing that makes me wonder why anyone thinks this is a good idea - at all.

Is this sort of risk worth losing some forum trolls (which I still don't believe is the actual reason behind the change)? Why not just moderate the forums better. Some short term pain for a long-term message that trolling and nastiness won't be tolerated. It seems to work well here at TL.net

Lots of advocates of this change are saying that people who don't like it just need to be accountable for their actions; but as the link quoted above shows, you can't be accountable for other people's actions.

I guess there's always the option to not participate in that particular forum - I know I won't be. Still, seems like a big move in the wrong direction - it sets quite a precedent.



Suddenly people are having trust issues? Everyday you trust your life in thousands of other people that you don't know and will never meet. And yet people are now only worried about that 1 chance in the billions that someone thinks they're important enough to be stalked.

I understand there's fear. It's perfectly legitimate. Unfortunately (to most people), I see this as a positive. Why? Because online social interaction is becoming huge. Anonymity shouldn't be some luxury to hide behind because you feel like being a bully/ass/boarderling criminal.

Yes, this does ruin it for the honest and nice people. I'm not going to even try to bring that down. But we all KNOW that it's the bad apples that spoils it for the rest. Unfortunately, that's what's happening here. I just think it has to be done, if not here and now with real.id (if blizz backs out) but it will happen eventually.
That's some absurd, sweeping commentary. I pay $50/m therefore I am willingly giving away my rights to privacy? I am sympathetic to anti-net neutrality arguments insofar as ISPS have the right to log my IP activity on their servers. The thing is ISPs--even Comcast--are responsible. It takes a signed subpoena to get my information, and the ISPs.

I, as a citizen of the internet (lol?), can take great precautions to avoid having my information out there -- facebook has security options, Privacy proxy for domain names, diligence, etc. In this case, the only option I have is to not use their service. This in for a penny in for a pound logic is irresponsible and LAZY rhetoric.





Lazy rhetoric? You might be right. I hate communicating effectively. Especially since what I said made so little sense.

Your right to privacy doesn't mean a whole lot. Privacy itself is a subjective term. It means different things to different people (and laws). Privacy to me is having a secluded back yard so me and the wife can 'perform' on each other in the hot tub. Privacy to someone else is being anonymous on the internet.

What I should really ask is what private information is on the internet that you hate giving away? I've googled many people I know, don't know and just happen to know their names, and some celebrities. The only extreme case of privacy invasion in any of that are the celebrities(some) home addresses being known. (This, by the way, could be considered the empirical evidence)

No matter how much empirical evidence either side has, it's only going to be opinion fighting opinion because the empricial evidence is technically illegal on a public source.


This issue here isn't so much what I'm afraid of showing the world outside the Blizzard forums, but it's about what I'm afraid to show the world in the Blizzard forums. Whether it be fair, reasonable, or judicious; people judge you for playing video games. If this was limited to my friends and family, I might be able to stomach that, but potential employers (HR included) do not look kindly upon people who avidly play videogames, especially something as dedicated as a MMO or RTS.

Thus, my participation on the forums, say discussing the gas price of a tank or the lack of a lurker, will most certainly be misunderstood. It has negative ramifications to post on the forums that are not related to trolling/harassment. In essence, the more articulated or involved my commentary in the context of the videogame the more I could suffer from a simple google search.

It is naive to think associating yourself with a videogame of these types would not hurt your employment potential.


Bibdy
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3481 Posts
July 07 2010 22:44 GMT
#2075
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Bowdz
Profile Joined September 2007
United States202 Posts
July 07 2010 22:45 GMT
#2076
On July 08 2010 07:36 Ventez wrote:
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Lmao, thats amazing.
"Mastering others is strength. Mastering yourself makes you fearless." - Lao Tzu
Myles
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5162 Posts
July 07 2010 22:45 GMT
#2077
On July 08 2010 07:44 Bibdy wrote:
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Wow, if that doesn't say everything.
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Odoakar
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia1837 Posts
July 07 2010 22:46 GMT
#2078
RPS has posted a really good article about all of this


http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2010/07/07/broken-armour-blizzards-forum-folly/#more-33309
789
Profile Joined October 2009
United States959 Posts
July 07 2010 22:51 GMT
#2079
On July 08 2010 07:36 Ventez wrote:
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[image loading]


Lol. I seriously laughed irl. The dance and facial expression are just classic. Lol at the pants/drop rate joke too.
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-07 22:55:56
July 07 2010 22:54 GMT
#2080
Ok, I dont know if this has been brought up yet, but I found it an interesting read (taken from somewhere in the WoW forums)

http://watchingthewatchers.org/indepth/1365085/korean-law-driving-policy-blizzard

I dont believe it at all, I dont think Blizzard is stupid enough to alienate a large number of players because of one country, but its food for thought
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