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Blizzard is counting on the fear of vigilante justice to keep the trolls in line.
Does anyone else find that entire mindset scary?
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On July 08 2010 06:39 Mjolnir wrote:Yeah, it's this sort of thing that makes me wonder why anyone thinks this is a good idea - at all. Is this sort of risk worth losing some forum trolls (which I still don't believe is the actual reason behind the change)? Why not just moderate the forums better. Some short term pain for a long-term message that trolling and nastiness won't be tolerated. It seems to work well here at TL.net Lots of advocates of this change are saying that people who don't like it just need to be accountable for their actions; but as the link quoted above shows, you can't be accountable for other people's actions. I guess there's always the option to not participate in that particular forum - I know I won't be. Still, seems like a big move in the wrong direction - it sets quite a precedent.
Suddenly people are having trust issues? Everyday you trust your life in thousands of other people that you don't know and will never meet. And yet people are now only worried about that 1 chance in the billions that someone thinks they're important enough to be stalked.
I understand there's fear. It's perfectly legitimate. Unfortunately (to most people), I see this as a positive. Why? Because online social interaction is becoming huge. Anonymity shouldn't be some luxury to hide behind because you feel like being a bully/ass/boarderling criminal.
Yes, this does ruin it for the honest and nice people. I'm not going to even try to bring that down. But we all KNOW that it's the bad apples that spoils it for the rest. Unfortunately, that's what's happening here. I just think it has to be done, if not here and now with real.id (if blizz backs out) but it will happen eventually.
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^Hey that's Boxxy!XD
The girl in the video, I need to start quoting stuff:|
But on the topic...having played Tribal Wars for over 2 years, I know how regular, decent people can sometimes really lose their focus when their account is being harrased in game by someone, or when they are in danger of losing something they've been working on for a past 2 years. One of my tribesmates was thinking about finding an address of a person living in his town, who was insulting him in game, and beating the crap out of him in real life. Couple of us managed to calm him down, but this is just a mild example of how privacy concerns are not to be taken lightly
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You guys do realize this is breaking the term of agreement "we will not give out personal infomation" part right ?, though I bet it's been changed by now, but it was part of the term of agreement when I made my b.net account, even if all my info is fake 
Also I think it's wrong of us to blame this 100% on blizzard, as I... well I would say im sure of this, but my last hope and respect for blizzard makes me want to belive this is activision having their fat fingers pulling some major strings, they can't touch blizzards games, but what about battle.net ? this just isnt blizzard... atleast not the blizzard we know.
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On July 08 2010 06:48 twiggy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2010 06:39 Mjolnir wrote:Yeah, it's this sort of thing that makes me wonder why anyone thinks this is a good idea - at all. Is this sort of risk worth losing some forum trolls (which I still don't believe is the actual reason behind the change)? Why not just moderate the forums better. Some short term pain for a long-term message that trolling and nastiness won't be tolerated. It seems to work well here at TL.net Lots of advocates of this change are saying that people who don't like it just need to be accountable for their actions; but as the link quoted above shows, you can't be accountable for other people's actions. I guess there's always the option to not participate in that particular forum - I know I won't be. Still, seems like a big move in the wrong direction - it sets quite a precedent. Suddenly people are having trust issues? Everyday you trust your life in thousands of other people that you don't know and will never meet. And yet people are now only worried about that 1 chance in the billions that someone thinks they're important enough to be stalked. I understand there's fear. It's perfectly legitimate. Unfortunately (to most people), I see this as a positive. Why? Because online social interaction is becoming huge. Anonymity shouldn't be some luxury to hide behind because you feel like being a bully/ass/boarderling criminal. Yes, this does ruin it for the honest and nice people. I'm not going to even try to bring that down. But we all KNOW that it's the bad apples that spoils it for the rest. Unfortunately, that's what's happening here. I just think it has to be done, if not here and now with real.id (if blizz backs out) but it will happen eventually.
Online Social interactoin isn't always a good thing. It has spawned an outbreak of cyber bullies. People feel more comfortable or safer typing out insults and threats than saying them in person because the personal interaction is removed and you feel safer doing it; thus bulling has increased over the past few years.
http://www.stopcyberbullying.org/what_is_cyberbullying_exactly.html
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I don't understand the argument that trolls will just be able to make fake names, that's true for when they initially buy the game and link it to their account, but otherwise to post in the forums I'm pretty sure you have a sc2 cd-key. So unless people buy another copy just to troll i don't see how that will be a problem.
With that said I really don't care as I never post in those forums either way, but isn't anyone interested to see if this actually works? It's a pretty ballsy move from Blizz and I think it could work, if their main goal is to stop trolls, flamewars, and the likes.
Edit: Also how can people say "this is so not blizzard", rofl where does that come from? If anything this IS Blizzard, trying a rather innovative approach to a big problem. And I really doubt the 'corporate heathens' at Activision had anything to do with this, what do they stand to gain?
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On July 08 2010 06:54 Spidermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2010 06:48 twiggy wrote:On July 08 2010 06:39 Mjolnir wrote:Yeah, it's this sort of thing that makes me wonder why anyone thinks this is a good idea - at all. Is this sort of risk worth losing some forum trolls (which I still don't believe is the actual reason behind the change)? Why not just moderate the forums better. Some short term pain for a long-term message that trolling and nastiness won't be tolerated. It seems to work well here at TL.net Lots of advocates of this change are saying that people who don't like it just need to be accountable for their actions; but as the link quoted above shows, you can't be accountable for other people's actions. I guess there's always the option to not participate in that particular forum - I know I won't be. Still, seems like a big move in the wrong direction - it sets quite a precedent. Suddenly people are having trust issues? Everyday you trust your life in thousands of other people that you don't know and will never meet. And yet people are now only worried about that 1 chance in the billions that someone thinks they're important enough to be stalked. I understand there's fear. It's perfectly legitimate. Unfortunately (to most people), I see this as a positive. Why? Because online social interaction is becoming huge. Anonymity shouldn't be some luxury to hide behind because you feel like being a bully/ass/boarderling criminal. Yes, this does ruin it for the honest and nice people. I'm not going to even try to bring that down. But we all KNOW that it's the bad apples that spoils it for the rest. Unfortunately, that's what's happening here. I just think it has to be done, if not here and now with real.id (if blizz backs out) but it will happen eventually. Online Social interactoin isn't always a good thing. It has spawned an outbreak of cyber bullies. People feel more comfortable or safer typing out insults and threats than saying them in person because the personal interaction is removed and you feel safer doing it; thus bulling has increased over the past few years. http://www.stopcyberbullying.org/what_is_cyberbullying_exactly.html
My interpretation of what you just wrote encourages real.id. Is this right?
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On July 08 2010 06:54 Spidermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2010 06:48 twiggy wrote:On July 08 2010 06:39 Mjolnir wrote:Yeah, it's this sort of thing that makes me wonder why anyone thinks this is a good idea - at all. Is this sort of risk worth losing some forum trolls (which I still don't believe is the actual reason behind the change)? Why not just moderate the forums better. Some short term pain for a long-term message that trolling and nastiness won't be tolerated. It seems to work well here at TL.net Lots of advocates of this change are saying that people who don't like it just need to be accountable for their actions; but as the link quoted above shows, you can't be accountable for other people's actions. I guess there's always the option to not participate in that particular forum - I know I won't be. Still, seems like a big move in the wrong direction - it sets quite a precedent. Suddenly people are having trust issues? Everyday you trust your life in thousands of other people that you don't know and will never meet. And yet people are now only worried about that 1 chance in the billions that someone thinks they're important enough to be stalked. I understand there's fear. It's perfectly legitimate. Unfortunately (to most people), I see this as a positive. Why? Because online social interaction is becoming huge. Anonymity shouldn't be some luxury to hide behind because you feel like being a bully/ass/boarderling criminal. Yes, this does ruin it for the honest and nice people. I'm not going to even try to bring that down. But we all KNOW that it's the bad apples that spoils it for the rest. Unfortunately, that's what's happening here. I just think it has to be done, if not here and now with real.id (if blizz backs out) but it will happen eventually. Online Social interactoin isn't always a good thing. It has spawned an outbreak of cyber bullies. People feel more comfortable or safer typing out insults and threats than saying them in person because the personal interaction is removed and you feel safer doing it; thus bulling has increased over the past few years. http://www.stopcyberbullying.org/what_is_cyberbullying_exactly.html
Trading the cyber-bullying for RL bullying is NOT an option. It is easy to "get rid of" cyber-bullying, but getting rid of real life stalking / harrassment isnt.
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Just put a fake name on you SC2 account or whatever account?
Unless it draws your name from your credit card info o_O...
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I haven't read the past 5 pages or so, but I think its pretty absurd that people say things like "who do you think you are?" when other people are worried about stalking/harassment. It happens ALL the damn time, this just makes it that much easier. Hell, a few years before I was born my mother had a stalker. He managed to get her apartment key and actually rifled through her shit when she wasn't home (LUCKILY she wasn't home, who knows what could have happened). Do you honestly believe regular people don't have stalkers?
Oh, and the difference between giving your name to a gym and posting it online for potentially tens of millions of people to see are completely different. I don't walk into a gym or store or any other business and start yelling out personal information, who does? But if you want to post on the forums this is pretty much what you have to do. The blue posts saying to email tech support or open up a ticket are ridiculous. People don't want to wait days or weeks for help with their game, but unless they want to risk more than its worth they'll almost have to once this is implemented.
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On July 08 2010 06:48 twiggy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2010 06:39 Mjolnir wrote:Yeah, it's this sort of thing that makes me wonder why anyone thinks this is a good idea - at all. Is this sort of risk worth losing some forum trolls (which I still don't believe is the actual reason behind the change)? Why not just moderate the forums better. Some short term pain for a long-term message that trolling and nastiness won't be tolerated. It seems to work well here at TL.net Lots of advocates of this change are saying that people who don't like it just need to be accountable for their actions; but as the link quoted above shows, you can't be accountable for other people's actions. I guess there's always the option to not participate in that particular forum - I know I won't be. Still, seems like a big move in the wrong direction - it sets quite a precedent. Suddenly people are having trust issues? Everyday you trust your life in thousands of other people that you don't know and will never meet. And yet people are now only worried about that 1 chance in the billions that someone thinks they're important enough to be stalked. I understand there's fear. It's perfectly legitimate. Unfortunately (to most people), I see this as a positive. Why? Because online social interaction is becoming huge. Anonymity shouldn't be some luxury to hide behind because you feel like being a bully/ass/boarderling criminal. Yes, this does ruin it for the honest and nice people. I'm not going to even try to bring that down. But we all KNOW that it's the bad apples that spoils it for the rest. Unfortunately, that's what's happening here. I just think it has to be done, if not here and now with real.id (if blizz backs out) but it will happen eventually. That's some absurd, sweeping commentary. I pay $50/m therefore I am willingly giving away my rights to privacy? I am sympathetic to anti-net neutrality arguments insofar as ISPS have the right to log my IP activity on their servers. The thing is ISPs--even Comcast--are responsible. It takes a signed subpoena to get my information, and the ISPs.
I, as a citizen of the internet (lol?), can take great precautions to avoid having my information out there -- facebook has security options, Privacy proxy for domain names, diligence, etc. In this case, the only option I have is to not use their service. This in for a penny in for a pound logic is irresponsible and LAZY rhetoric.
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On July 08 2010 06:55 MadVillain wrote:
I don't understand the argument that trolls will just be able to make fake names, that's true for when they initially buy the game and link it to their account, but otherwise to post in the forums I'm pretty sure you have a sc2 cd-key. So unless people buy another copy just to troll i don't see how that will be a problem.
With that said I really don't care as I never post in those forums either way, but isn't anyone interested to see if this actually works? It's a pretty ballsy move from Blizz and I think it could work, if their main goal is to stop trolls, flamewars, and the likes.
Edit: Also how can people say "this is so not blizzard", rofl where does that come from? If anything this IS Blizzard, trying a rather innovative approach to a big problem. And I really doubt the 'corporate heathens' at Activision had anything to do with this, what do they stand to gain?
People won't make fake names for the sole purpose of trolling, but they will sign up with fake names just so they can post on the forums without fear of some idiot possibly harassing them. Some of these people will probably end up trolling on the forums because they've already signed up with a fake name and the worst that can happen to them is getting banned.
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On July 08 2010 06:56 twiggy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2010 06:54 Spidermonkey wrote:On July 08 2010 06:48 twiggy wrote:On July 08 2010 06:39 Mjolnir wrote:Yeah, it's this sort of thing that makes me wonder why anyone thinks this is a good idea - at all. Is this sort of risk worth losing some forum trolls (which I still don't believe is the actual reason behind the change)? Why not just moderate the forums better. Some short term pain for a long-term message that trolling and nastiness won't be tolerated. It seems to work well here at TL.net Lots of advocates of this change are saying that people who don't like it just need to be accountable for their actions; but as the link quoted above shows, you can't be accountable for other people's actions. I guess there's always the option to not participate in that particular forum - I know I won't be. Still, seems like a big move in the wrong direction - it sets quite a precedent. Suddenly people are having trust issues? Everyday you trust your life in thousands of other people that you don't know and will never meet. And yet people are now only worried about that 1 chance in the billions that someone thinks they're important enough to be stalked. I understand there's fear. It's perfectly legitimate. Unfortunately (to most people), I see this as a positive. Why? Because online social interaction is becoming huge. Anonymity shouldn't be some luxury to hide behind because you feel like being a bully/ass/boarderling criminal. Yes, this does ruin it for the honest and nice people. I'm not going to even try to bring that down. But we all KNOW that it's the bad apples that spoils it for the rest. Unfortunately, that's what's happening here. I just think it has to be done, if not here and now with real.id (if blizz backs out) but it will happen eventually. Online Social interactoin isn't always a good thing. It has spawned an outbreak of cyber bullies. People feel more comfortable or safer typing out insults and threats than saying them in person because the personal interaction is removed and you feel safer doing it; thus bulling has increased over the past few years. http://www.stopcyberbullying.org/what_is_cyberbullying_exactly.html My interpretation of what you just wrote encourages real.id. Is this right?
Then your interpretation is completely wrong. These kids know one another from school and go to online media to harass other kids. What Blizzard is doing is giving out your info so that if you do upset someone they can track you down and continue to bully you.
Look at what has already happend to the Blizzard employee Bashiok. The proof is already there that this is a BAD idea. I can log in, never post, and start looking up personal info on people that have posted things.
Posters will not be anonymous, the stalkers will be.
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On July 08 2010 07:11 Spidermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2010 06:56 twiggy wrote:On July 08 2010 06:54 Spidermonkey wrote:On July 08 2010 06:48 twiggy wrote:On July 08 2010 06:39 Mjolnir wrote:Yeah, it's this sort of thing that makes me wonder why anyone thinks this is a good idea - at all. Is this sort of risk worth losing some forum trolls (which I still don't believe is the actual reason behind the change)? Why not just moderate the forums better. Some short term pain for a long-term message that trolling and nastiness won't be tolerated. It seems to work well here at TL.net Lots of advocates of this change are saying that people who don't like it just need to be accountable for their actions; but as the link quoted above shows, you can't be accountable for other people's actions. I guess there's always the option to not participate in that particular forum - I know I won't be. Still, seems like a big move in the wrong direction - it sets quite a precedent. Suddenly people are having trust issues? Everyday you trust your life in thousands of other people that you don't know and will never meet. And yet people are now only worried about that 1 chance in the billions that someone thinks they're important enough to be stalked. I understand there's fear. It's perfectly legitimate. Unfortunately (to most people), I see this as a positive. Why? Because online social interaction is becoming huge. Anonymity shouldn't be some luxury to hide behind because you feel like being a bully/ass/boarderling criminal. Yes, this does ruin it for the honest and nice people. I'm not going to even try to bring that down. But we all KNOW that it's the bad apples that spoils it for the rest. Unfortunately, that's what's happening here. I just think it has to be done, if not here and now with real.id (if blizz backs out) but it will happen eventually. Online Social interactoin isn't always a good thing. It has spawned an outbreak of cyber bullies. People feel more comfortable or safer typing out insults and threats than saying them in person because the personal interaction is removed and you feel safer doing it; thus bulling has increased over the past few years. http://www.stopcyberbullying.org/what_is_cyberbullying_exactly.html My interpretation of what you just wrote encourages real.id. Is this right? Then your interpretation is completely wrong. These kids know one another from school and go to online media to harass other kids. What Blizzard is doing is giving out your info so that if you do upset someone they can track you down and continue to bully you. Look at what has already happend to the Blizzard employee Bashiok. The proof is already there that this is a BAD idea. I can log in, never post, and start looking up personal info on people that have posted things.
Posters will not be anonymous, the stalkers will be.
I really like that line, that pretty much sums it up.
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+ Show Spoiler +On July 08 2010 07:04 gospelwut wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2010 06:48 twiggy wrote:On July 08 2010 06:39 Mjolnir wrote:Yeah, it's this sort of thing that makes me wonder why anyone thinks this is a good idea - at all. Is this sort of risk worth losing some forum trolls (which I still don't believe is the actual reason behind the change)? Why not just moderate the forums better. Some short term pain for a long-term message that trolling and nastiness won't be tolerated. It seems to work well here at TL.net Lots of advocates of this change are saying that people who don't like it just need to be accountable for their actions; but as the link quoted above shows, you can't be accountable for other people's actions. I guess there's always the option to not participate in that particular forum - I know I won't be. Still, seems like a big move in the wrong direction - it sets quite a precedent. Suddenly people are having trust issues? Everyday you trust your life in thousands of other people that you don't know and will never meet. And yet people are now only worried about that 1 chance in the billions that someone thinks they're important enough to be stalked. I understand there's fear. It's perfectly legitimate. Unfortunately (to most people), I see this as a positive. Why? Because online social interaction is becoming huge. Anonymity shouldn't be some luxury to hide behind because you feel like being a bully/ass/boarderling criminal. Yes, this does ruin it for the honest and nice people. I'm not going to even try to bring that down. But we all KNOW that it's the bad apples that spoils it for the rest. Unfortunately, that's what's happening here. I just think it has to be done, if not here and now with real.id (if blizz backs out) but it will happen eventually. That's some absurd, sweeping commentary. I pay $50/m therefore I am willingly giving away my rights to privacy? I am sympathetic to anti-net neutrality arguments insofar as ISPS have the right to log my IP activity on their servers. The thing is ISPs--even Comcast--are responsible. It takes a signed subpoena to get my information, and the ISPs. I, as a citizen of the internet (lol?), can take great precautions to avoid having my information out there -- facebook has security options, Privacy proxy for domain names, diligence, etc. In this case, the only option I have is to not use their service. This in for a penny in for a pound logic is irresponsible and LAZY rhetoric.
Lazy rhetoric? You might be right. I hate communicating effectively. Especially since what I said made so little sense.
Your right to privacy doesn't mean a whole lot. Privacy itself is a subjective term. It means different things to different people (and laws). Privacy to me is having a secluded back yard so me and the wife can 'perform' on each other in the hot tub. Privacy to someone else is being anonymous on the internet.
What I should really ask is what private information is on the internet that you hate giving away? I've googled many people I know, don't know and just happen to know their names, and some celebrities. The only extreme case of privacy invasion in any of that are the celebrities(some) home addresses being known. (This, by the way, could be considered the empirical evidence)
No matter how much empirical evidence either side has, it's only going to be opinion fighting opinion because the empricial evidence is technically illegal on a public source.
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On July 08 2010 07:11 Spidermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2010 06:56 twiggy wrote:On July 08 2010 06:54 Spidermonkey wrote:On July 08 2010 06:48 twiggy wrote:On July 08 2010 06:39 Mjolnir wrote:Yeah, it's this sort of thing that makes me wonder why anyone thinks this is a good idea - at all. Is this sort of risk worth losing some forum trolls (which I still don't believe is the actual reason behind the change)? Why not just moderate the forums better. Some short term pain for a long-term message that trolling and nastiness won't be tolerated. It seems to work well here at TL.net Lots of advocates of this change are saying that people who don't like it just need to be accountable for their actions; but as the link quoted above shows, you can't be accountable for other people's actions. I guess there's always the option to not participate in that particular forum - I know I won't be. Still, seems like a big move in the wrong direction - it sets quite a precedent. Suddenly people are having trust issues? Everyday you trust your life in thousands of other people that you don't know and will never meet. And yet people are now only worried about that 1 chance in the billions that someone thinks they're important enough to be stalked. I understand there's fear. It's perfectly legitimate. Unfortunately (to most people), I see this as a positive. Why? Because online social interaction is becoming huge. Anonymity shouldn't be some luxury to hide behind because you feel like being a bully/ass/boarderling criminal. Yes, this does ruin it for the honest and nice people. I'm not going to even try to bring that down. But we all KNOW that it's the bad apples that spoils it for the rest. Unfortunately, that's what's happening here. I just think it has to be done, if not here and now with real.id (if blizz backs out) but it will happen eventually. Online Social interactoin isn't always a good thing. It has spawned an outbreak of cyber bullies. People feel more comfortable or safer typing out insults and threats than saying them in person because the personal interaction is removed and you feel safer doing it; thus bulling has increased over the past few years. http://www.stopcyberbullying.org/what_is_cyberbullying_exactly.html My interpretation of what you just wrote encourages real.id. Is this right? Then your interpretation is completely wrong. These kids know one another from school and go to online media to harass other kids. What Blizzard is doing is giving out your info so that if you do upset someone they can track you down and continue to bully you. Look at what has already happend to the Blizzard employee Bashiok. The proof is already there that this is a BAD idea. I can log in, never post, and start looking up personal info on people that have posted things. Posters will not be anonymous, the stalkers will be.
Fair enough, in terms of what could happen with stalkers being anonymous. However, you have to develop some sort of obsession to want to stalk someone. How do you do that with no interaction?
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On July 08 2010 06:48 twiggy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2010 06:39 Mjolnir wrote:Yeah, it's this sort of thing that makes me wonder why anyone thinks this is a good idea - at all. Is this sort of risk worth losing some forum trolls (which I still don't believe is the actual reason behind the change)? Why not just moderate the forums better. Some short term pain for a long-term message that trolling and nastiness won't be tolerated. It seems to work well here at TL.net Lots of advocates of this change are saying that people who don't like it just need to be accountable for their actions; but as the link quoted above shows, you can't be accountable for other people's actions. I guess there's always the option to not participate in that particular forum - I know I won't be. Still, seems like a big move in the wrong direction - it sets quite a precedent. Suddenly people are having trust issues? Everyday you trust your life in thousands of other people that you don't know and will never meet. And yet people are now only worried about that 1 chance in the billions that someone thinks they're important enough to be stalked. I understand there's fear. It's perfectly legitimate. Unfortunately (to most people), I see this as a positive. Why? Because online social interaction is becoming huge. Anonymity shouldn't be some luxury to hide behind because you feel like being a bully/ass/boarderling criminal. Yes, this does ruin it for the honest and nice people. I'm not going to even try to bring that down. But we all KNOW that it's the bad apples that spoils it for the rest. Unfortunately, that's what's happening here. I just think it has to be done, if not here and now with real.id (if blizz backs out) but it will happen eventually.
This is not the same thing at all.
You would be surprised as to what people can do once they have your full name. Finding you, where you live, where you work and such is no longer a hard thing to do. The people that I don't know and will never meet don't know these things so chances are I will never see them again.
I don't think it needs to happen at all. I understand people bullying and being an ass is ...wrong or whatever but I always liked that the internet allowed people to just...be.
Also you don't have to get an obsession just to be an asshole, which there is plenty of in our society today.
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On July 08 2010 07:18 twiggy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2010 07:11 Spidermonkey wrote:On July 08 2010 06:56 twiggy wrote:On July 08 2010 06:54 Spidermonkey wrote:On July 08 2010 06:48 twiggy wrote:On July 08 2010 06:39 Mjolnir wrote:Yeah, it's this sort of thing that makes me wonder why anyone thinks this is a good idea - at all. Is this sort of risk worth losing some forum trolls (which I still don't believe is the actual reason behind the change)? Why not just moderate the forums better. Some short term pain for a long-term message that trolling and nastiness won't be tolerated. It seems to work well here at TL.net Lots of advocates of this change are saying that people who don't like it just need to be accountable for their actions; but as the link quoted above shows, you can't be accountable for other people's actions. I guess there's always the option to not participate in that particular forum - I know I won't be. Still, seems like a big move in the wrong direction - it sets quite a precedent. Suddenly people are having trust issues? Everyday you trust your life in thousands of other people that you don't know and will never meet. And yet people are now only worried about that 1 chance in the billions that someone thinks they're important enough to be stalked. I understand there's fear. It's perfectly legitimate. Unfortunately (to most people), I see this as a positive. Why? Because online social interaction is becoming huge. Anonymity shouldn't be some luxury to hide behind because you feel like being a bully/ass/boarderling criminal. Yes, this does ruin it for the honest and nice people. I'm not going to even try to bring that down. But we all KNOW that it's the bad apples that spoils it for the rest. Unfortunately, that's what's happening here. I just think it has to be done, if not here and now with real.id (if blizz backs out) but it will happen eventually. Online Social interactoin isn't always a good thing. It has spawned an outbreak of cyber bullies. People feel more comfortable or safer typing out insults and threats than saying them in person because the personal interaction is removed and you feel safer doing it; thus bulling has increased over the past few years. http://www.stopcyberbullying.org/what_is_cyberbullying_exactly.html My interpretation of what you just wrote encourages real.id. Is this right? Then your interpretation is completely wrong. These kids know one another from school and go to online media to harass other kids. What Blizzard is doing is giving out your info so that if you do upset someone they can track you down and continue to bully you. Look at what has already happend to the Blizzard employee Bashiok. The proof is already there that this is a BAD idea. I can log in, never post, and start looking up personal info on people that have posted things. Posters will not be anonymous, the stalkers will be. Fair enough, in terms of what could happen with stalkers being anonymous. However, you have to develop some sort of obsession to want to stalk someone. How do you do that with no interaction?
No, some people just get off on fucking with others.
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On July 08 2010 07:18 twiggy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2010 07:11 Spidermonkey wrote:On July 08 2010 06:56 twiggy wrote:On July 08 2010 06:54 Spidermonkey wrote:On July 08 2010 06:48 twiggy wrote:On July 08 2010 06:39 Mjolnir wrote:Yeah, it's this sort of thing that makes me wonder why anyone thinks this is a good idea - at all. Is this sort of risk worth losing some forum trolls (which I still don't believe is the actual reason behind the change)? Why not just moderate the forums better. Some short term pain for a long-term message that trolling and nastiness won't be tolerated. It seems to work well here at TL.net Lots of advocates of this change are saying that people who don't like it just need to be accountable for their actions; but as the link quoted above shows, you can't be accountable for other people's actions. I guess there's always the option to not participate in that particular forum - I know I won't be. Still, seems like a big move in the wrong direction - it sets quite a precedent. Suddenly people are having trust issues? Everyday you trust your life in thousands of other people that you don't know and will never meet. And yet people are now only worried about that 1 chance in the billions that someone thinks they're important enough to be stalked. I understand there's fear. It's perfectly legitimate. Unfortunately (to most people), I see this as a positive. Why? Because online social interaction is becoming huge. Anonymity shouldn't be some luxury to hide behind because you feel like being a bully/ass/boarderling criminal. Yes, this does ruin it for the honest and nice people. I'm not going to even try to bring that down. But we all KNOW that it's the bad apples that spoils it for the rest. Unfortunately, that's what's happening here. I just think it has to be done, if not here and now with real.id (if blizz backs out) but it will happen eventually. Online Social interactoin isn't always a good thing. It has spawned an outbreak of cyber bullies. People feel more comfortable or safer typing out insults and threats than saying them in person because the personal interaction is removed and you feel safer doing it; thus bulling has increased over the past few years. http://www.stopcyberbullying.org/what_is_cyberbullying_exactly.html My interpretation of what you just wrote encourages real.id. Is this right? Then your interpretation is completely wrong. These kids know one another from school and go to online media to harass other kids. What Blizzard is doing is giving out your info so that if you do upset someone they can track you down and continue to bully you. Look at what has already happend to the Blizzard employee Bashiok. The proof is already there that this is a BAD idea. I can log in, never post, and start looking up personal info on people that have posted things. Posters will not be anonymous, the stalkers will be. Fair enough, in terms of what could happen with stalkers being anonymous. However, you have to develop some sort of obsession to want to stalk someone. How do you do that with no interaction?
Are you too old to remember school? Kids do all kinds of evil shit to each other all the fucking time just because they can, they don't really need a (good) reason.
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Fuck that .
I'm not posting till they fix this.
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