EPTOn July 08 2010 08:39 ta2 wrote:
HAha Kevin Smith for the win!
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Spidermonkey
United States251 Posts
HAha Kevin Smith for the win! | ||
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SoL[9]
Portugal1370 Posts
 I hope blizzard read this and learn with the mistakes. | ||
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liewec
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shalamadoooo
78 Posts
On July 08 2010 08:37 Spidermonkey wrote: Blizzard implements Real Id to reduce trolls... how will it reduce trolls? People will track down and attack/harass trolls. ROFL... the only problem is that the only people who actually would attack/harass ARE THE TROLLS. On July 08 2010 08:30 travis wrote: btw my challenge still stands, page after page if you support this, then answer this question, it's quite simple (really, i'd like to know) I do not support it, but it is extremely clear why they are doing it... its a giant social network experiment and their goal is to get people to give up their privacy so they can sell your stupid data to some stupid advertiser while the stupid of the internet is still obsessed with advertising. The only thing that runs businesses that don't actually make or do anything is selling advertising... blizzard has such a large and lucrative userbase (generally young people with disposable income) and with so much personal data already that they can simply connect the dots with facebook and turn those CYA "lawyer logs" that were originally a loss into an epic generator of revenue. These guys will sell your data without any regard for your safety or your job or your life and they don't care. They will drive their business and the internet into the ground before they stop it because it takes so long for this to filter to all possible future customers that it won't matter. They can put out 1 new game every few years and still make more and more money by milking this data... leasing it for other advertiser data-miners to access. Gotta love how they explicitly state that they care about privacy by saying that they protect kids. They prevent you from posting ANYTHING until you are 13, and then as soon as permission is given they will log everything you ever say. How does this protect kids? Some 14 year old will have his real name up there and say things that he has no idea will prevent him from getting a job or go to a school or any sort of thing and Blizzard will be fine with it because they can connect his username to his email which gets connected to their partner's databases and then they can sell targeted advertising. Unfortunately for the advertisers blizzard already ruined this kid's life and he won't have the disposable income to actually buy the stuff they sell, but hey Blizzard already made the money! | ||
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im a roc
United States745 Posts
On July 08 2010 08:48 shalamadoooo wrote: ROFL... the only problem is that the only people who actually would attack/harass ARE THE TROLLS. I do not support it, but it is extremely clear why they are doing it... its a giant social network experiment and their goal is to get people to give up their privacy so they can sell your stupid data to some stupid advertiser while the stupid of the internet is still obsessed with advertising. The only thing that runs businesses that don't actually make or do anything is selling advertising... blizzard has such a large and lucrative userbase (generally young people with disposable income) and with so much personal data already that they can simply connect the dots with facebook and turn those CYA "lawyer logs" that were originally a loss into an epic generator of revenue. These guys will sell your data without any regard for your safety or your job or your life and they don't care. They will drive their business and the internet into the ground before they stop it because it takes so long for this to filter to all possible future customers that it won't matter. They can put out 1 new game every few years and still make more and more money by milking this data... leasing it for other advertiser data-miners to access. Gotta love how they explicitly state that they care about privacy by saying that they protect kids. They prevent you from posting ANYTHING until you are 13, and then as soon as permission is given they will log everything you ever say. How does this protect kids? Some 14 year old will have his real name up there and say things that he has no idea will prevent him from getting a job or go to a school or any sort of thing and Blizzard will be fine with it because they can connect his username to his email which gets connected to their partner's databases and then they can sell targeted advertising. Unfortunately for the advertisers blizzard already ruined this kid's life and he won't have the disposable income to actually buy the stuff they sell, but hey Blizzard already made the money! I hate how widespread these practices are becoming, too. I was expecting (or at least hoping) Blizzard would stay out of that easy cash outlet out of some form of honor or respect for their customers, but as far as I can tell, they have every intention of going all in, selling personal information to whomever they please. Aren't they satisfied with the many hundreds of millions of dollars I'm sure they're getting out of WoW? I guess Activision is to blame for some, if not all, of this. | ||
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MadVillain
United States402 Posts
On July 08 2010 08:48 shalamadoooo wrote: ROFL... the only problem is that the only people who actually would attack/harass ARE THE TROLLS. I do not support it, but it is extremely clear why they are doing it... its a giant social network experiment and their goal is to get people to give up their privacy so they can sell your stupid data to some stupid advertiser while the stupid of the internet is still obsessed with advertising. The only thing that runs businesses that don't actually make or do anything is selling advertising... blizzard has such a large and lucrative userbase (generally young people with disposable income) and with so much personal data already that they can simply connect the dots with facebook and turn those CYA "lawyer logs" that were originally a loss into an epic generator of revenue. These guys will sell your data without any regard for your safety or your job or your life and they don't care. They will drive their business and the internet into the ground before they stop it because it takes so long for this to filter to all possible future customers that it won't matter. They can put out 1 new game every few years and still make more and more money by milking this data... leasing it for other advertiser data-miners to access. Gotta love how they explicitly state that they care about privacy by saying that they protect kids. They prevent you from posting ANYTHING until you are 13, and then as soon as permission is given they will log everything you ever say. How does this protect kids? Some 14 year old will have his real name up there and say things that he has no idea will prevent him from getting a job or go to a school or any sort of thing and Blizzard will be fine with it because they can connect his username to his email which gets connected to their partner's databases and then they can sell targeted advertising. Unfortunately for the advertisers blizzard already ruined this kid's life and he won't have the disposable income to actually buy the stuff they sell, but hey Blizzard already made the money! You do realize that when you make your battle.net account you put down your REAL NAME and e-mail address? So they could (and probably have) already executed your ingenious plan. So that concern is completely invalid. And how are you really going to blame Blizzard because some 14 year old posted idiotic drivel on their forums? The whole point of this move by Blizzard is to stop that type of stuff. What is a valid concern is that you don't want your name to appear a million times for battle.net forums when its googled. | ||
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Disastorm
United States922 Posts
Mr Brand said that one Blizzard employee posted his real name on the forums, saying that there was no risk to users, and the experiment went drastically wrong. "Within five minutes, users had got hold of his telephone number, home address, photographs of him and a ton of other information," said Mr Brand The post and topic has since been removed from the Blizzard forum. | ||
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LuCiD37
United States150 Posts
http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=25626461052&sid=3000 | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
here's to hoping american news media don't run stories on this skewing it the other way | ||
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CosciaSi
Canada39 Posts
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On July 08 2010 09:20 CosciaSi wrote: Actually.... I think it's great for real names to be posted. This way, kids will have to be accountable to what they say and won't just talk crap. If you have to answer to everything you write, you're going to think twice, which I think is great. Before you post, could you bother to at least read some of the thread? We already talked about accountability, it can be done without giving out your real information and putting you at risk, by say having moderators who can IP ban you or account ban you. (what an innovative idea, where have I seen it before?) If that is the only advantage posed by real-id then I will greatly take the "non-accountable" people (like say in this forum where we don't have to post our true name) over the risk I have to go through to be "accountable" | ||
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shalamadoooo
78 Posts
On July 08 2010 08:58 MadVillain wrote: You do realize that when you make your battle.net account you put down your REAL NAME and e-mail address? So they could (and probably have) already executed your ingenious plan. So that concern is completely invalid. How is the concern invalid? You want them doing this? You want them to have more information? You want the expectation to be that they will be doing this? You want them to sell what time you play your games, how long you play your games, and how many times the word "cig" or "cigarette" pops up in your chat so they can sell that to Phillip Morris? The concern is still valid. On July 08 2010 08:58 MadVillain wrote: And how are you really going to blame Blizzard because some 14 year old posted idiotic drivel on their forums? The whole point of this move by Blizzard is to stop that type of stuff. It won't stop, people make mistakes... especially the young. This is why you don't put kids in dangerous situations. Do you want to put kids in dangerous situations? | ||
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Synk
United States297 Posts
Yes every famous person on the planet complains about being harassed constantly, yes it blows no there simply isn't a way around it. You present your lives on a stage and sell your works, yes your going to get rabid fans who want to be just like you. Look at every single famous actor, athlete, or musician .. they all complain about this stuff. | ||
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Disastorm
United States922 Posts
Imagine if RL BECOMES the internet. That would be totally awesome. I can just imagine walking around seeing posters of cats everywhere and people going up to fast food joints saying "CAN I HAZ CHEEZEBURGER LOL". People rage quitting IRL throwing crap against walls. People randomly displaying videos of Rick Astley in random locations. Cmon guys tell me that wouldn't be totally awesome. | ||
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Thrill
2599 Posts
I dunno if this is all Activision, but who/whatever this comes from must be completely out of touch with reality.Optional facebook achievement integration, fine. Forced identity reveal & public email, totally f'ed up. | ||
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On July 08 2010 09:28 Synk wrote: Welcome to the real world people, you live by your actions. I can't believe how retarded people are about this, you all apparently buy into the stereotype of gamers and forum goers all being psycho paths more than anyone. Where I live ( in the real world ) my name is attached to everything I do at work, when I go out, and when I purchase anything. This means all of you people who just mindless post retarded shit, troll forums, or don't at least commit a tiny bit of thought before just venting into a seething nerd rage will have to come back down to the REAL WORLD where the rest of us live. Your name is attached to everything you do in the real world ... do none of you guys have normal jobs? what the fuck . its beyond belief to me how worked into a frenzy these forums get. Anyone who drives by your car or where you live ( your address ) can get your full name, its public record ... all this change is doing is attaching your name to the things you say on internet forums or chat rooms and in my opinion its a GREAT thing, start acting like descent human beings again. Yes every famous person on the planet complains about being harassed constantly, yes it blows no there simply isn't a way around it. You present your lives on a stage and sell your works, yes your going to get rabid fans who want to be just like you. Look at every single famous actor, athlete, or musician .. they all complain about this stuff. You are right, what you do in "the real world" has your name attached to it, but you'll notice that when you do something in the real world very few people get to see it, now if you post here probably hundreds will, if your real name is attached there are odds that there will be a psycho out there somewhere, also this wont encourage people to "act like decent human beings" it will encourage us not to post, so that potential employers can't stereotype us by simply making a quick google search Also you will notice famous people often have bodyguards, it guess that to protect themselves from "decent human beings" right? Giving out your name on the internet is almost as bright as writing your social security number on a bumper sticker and placing it on your car. | ||
NonY
8751 Posts
On July 08 2010 09:16 travis wrote: man, BBC is the shit(that's a good thing for those who don't understand american slang) here's to hoping american news media don't run stories on this skewing it the other way but it has the facts wrong. you can see for yourself that the thread and post are still there http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25712374892&pageNo=1#16 | ||
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shalamadoooo
78 Posts
On July 08 2010 09:28 Synk wrote: Welcome to the real world people, you live by your actions. I can't believe how retarded people are about this, you all apparently buy into the stereotype of gamers and forum goers all being psycho paths more than anyone. Where I live ( in the real world ) my name is attached to everything I do at work, when I go out, and when I purchase anything. This means all of you people who just mindless post retarded shit, troll forums, or don't at least commit a tiny bit of thought before just venting into a seething nerd rage will have to come back down to the REAL WORLD where the rest of us live. Your name is attached to everything you do in the real world ... do none of you guys have normal jobs? what the fuck . its beyond belief to me how worked into a frenzy these forums get. Anyone who drives by your car or where you live ( your address ) can get your full name, its public record ... all this change is doing is attaching your name to the things you say on internet forums or chat rooms and in my opinion its a GREAT thing, start acting like descent human beings again. Yes every famous person on the planet complains about being harassed constantly, yes it blows no there simply isn't a way around it. You present your lives on a stage and sell your works, yes your going to get rabid fans who want to be just like you. Look at every single famous actor, athlete, or musician .. they all complain about this stuff. Wait till you piss off some psychopath and they find out your name and call an anonymous rape hotline or something worse. Its probably not gonna happen but if it does it can be a disaster, and anybody can be pissed at you for any reason at all (or even be pissed at someone else with the same name or handle or whatever). That cost versus Blizzard's economic gain. Which weighs more? | ||
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Takkara
United States2503 Posts
On July 08 2010 09:28 Synk wrote: Welcome to the real world people, you live by your actions. I can't believe how retarded people are about this, you all apparently buy into the stereotype of gamers and forum goers all being psycho paths more than anyone. Where I live ( in the real world ) my name is attached to everything I do at work, when I go out, and when I purchase anything. This means all of you people who just mindless post retarded shit, troll forums, or don't at least commit a tiny bit of thought before just venting into a seething nerd rage will have to come back down to the REAL WORLD where the rest of us live. Your name is attached to everything you do in the real world ... do none of you guys have normal jobs? what the fuck . its beyond belief to me how worked into a frenzy these forums get. Anyone who drives by your car or where you live ( your address ) can get your full name, its public record ... all this change is doing is attaching your name to the things you say on internet forums or chat rooms and in my opinion its a GREAT thing, start acting like descent human beings again. Yes every famous person on the planet complains about being harassed constantly, yes it blows no there simply isn't a way around it. You present your lives on a stage and sell your works, yes your going to get rabid fans who want to be just like you. Look at every single famous actor, athlete, or musician .. they all complain about this stuff. Each place you go may require your name, and that's fine. Not many people here object to telling people their name. Here's the issue. If you read any of the thread you'd understand this. When you do that in real life each discrete packet of information or interaction is mostly separate. My friends know my name, but someone else who knows my name cannot listen to the conversations I had at the bar with those friends. My work knows my name, but others who know my name can't search through all my HR forms. The restaurant I just went to asked for my name on my reservation, but someone else can't search the restaurants books to find out when I was there. On the Internet, you can. These information sources are usually (and especially in the case of the Blizzard forums) public and therefore your name becomes a sort of decrypter ring. The more your name or any piece of personally identifiable information becomes attached to your transactions online, the easier it is for people to piece together larger and larger amounts of who you are. There are numerous harms that can come of that. Some are annoyances and minor, some are slightly more abusive, and some are extremely abusive. People aren't saying that sharing names = being murdered for BM. It's a possibility, but it's not likely. Some people just are not comfortable with the loss of privacy that's being needlessly put on users of the forum. | ||
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Takkara
United States2503 Posts
On July 08 2010 09:40 Liquid`NonY wrote: but it has the facts wrong. you can see for yourself that the thread and post are still there http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25712374892&pageNo=1#16 Yeah the BBC post might have been confused about the removal of the threads that put the information of him on the boards? Maybe? Major news outlets are never great about gamer news. | ||
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