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On July 08 2010 10:14 Synk wrote:
I'm actually 25 years old and I have worked in and around call centers all of my adult life. I know all about security and fraud as I have been in charge of handling credit applications at two of my previous employers. I've probably handled over ten thousand different peoples confidential information and taken personally half of that, I know all about this kind of stuff and I'm really quiet puzzled why you just assume I am not. Oh thats right, because people on the internet just talk out of their asses 24/7? right ....
Anyways, I'm not going to debate this with the gaggle of enraged nerds that seems to come out of the woodwork every-time Blizzard instigates any kind of new grounding breaking change. I'm sure the people in this thread are going to go out of their way to harass me for doing this but I feel this is a large step that the gaming community needs to make so heres my tiny contribution--
Cya
Michael McGee
( OH GOD )
I think you are missing the point- you are sharing it on TL and not battle.net forums. You are sharing your information with people who are clearly not going to harass you as these are the people concerned about it!
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I completely agree with hitler about this situation, although I will not be canceling my preorder.
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On July 08 2010 10:21 shalamadoooo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2010 10:14 Synk wrote:
I'm actually 25 years old and I have worked in and around call centers all of my adult life. I know all about security and fraud as I have been in charge of handling credit applications at two of my previous employers. I've probably handled over ten thousand different peoples confidential information and taken personally half of that, I know all about this kind of stuff and I'm really quiet puzzled why you just assume I am not. Oh thats right, because people on the internet just talk out of their asses 24/7? right ....
Anyways, I'm not going to debate this with the gaggle of enraged nerds that seems to come out of the woodwork every-time Blizzard instigates any kind of new grounding breaking change. I'm sure the people in this thread are going to go out of their way to harass me for doing this but I feel this is a large step that the gaming community needs to make so heres my tiny contribution--
Cya
Michael McGee
( OH GOD ) I think you are missing the point- you are sharing it on TL and not battle.net forums. You are sharing your information with people who are clearly not going to harass you as these are the people concerned about it!
not to mention it ignores about a dozen or so other well made points in this thread
the one regarding gender in particular is very hard to debate
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On July 08 2010 10:23 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2010 10:21 shalamadoooo wrote:On July 08 2010 10:14 Synk wrote:
I'm actually 25 years old and I have worked in and around call centers all of my adult life. I know all about security and fraud as I have been in charge of handling credit applications at two of my previous employers. I've probably handled over ten thousand different peoples confidential information and taken personally half of that, I know all about this kind of stuff and I'm really quiet puzzled why you just assume I am not. Oh thats right, because people on the internet just talk out of their asses 24/7? right ....
Anyways, I'm not going to debate this with the gaggle of enraged nerds that seems to come out of the woodwork every-time Blizzard instigates any kind of new grounding breaking change. I'm sure the people in this thread are going to go out of their way to harass me for doing this but I feel this is a large step that the gaming community needs to make so heres my tiny contribution--
Cya
Michael McGee
( OH GOD ) I think you are missing the point- you are sharing it on TL and not battle.net forums. You are sharing your information with people who are clearly not going to harass you as these are the people concerned about it! not to mention it ignores about a dozen or so other well made points in this thread the one regarding gender in particular is very hard to debate
There have been plenty of famous forum girls in the past, even on popular trolling sites like Something Awful, who have never been tracked down and raped.
I seriously doubt that official forums tech support are going to be a place where would-be rapists start their hunt. Or would-be phone call harassers. Or would-be anythings. It's absurd.
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I find it odd that you guys dont remember (or know) about the time when Manifesto went missing and Rekrul called on teamliquid to find him. The result was a perfect example for why people would rather have their online and offline lives separate without the "scare mongering" that some people have been speaking of.
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On July 08 2010 10:27 kajeus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2010 10:23 travis wrote:On July 08 2010 10:21 shalamadoooo wrote:On July 08 2010 10:14 Synk wrote:
I'm actually 25 years old and I have worked in and around call centers all of my adult life. I know all about security and fraud as I have been in charge of handling credit applications at two of my previous employers. I've probably handled over ten thousand different peoples confidential information and taken personally half of that, I know all about this kind of stuff and I'm really quiet puzzled why you just assume I am not. Oh thats right, because people on the internet just talk out of their asses 24/7? right ....
Anyways, I'm not going to debate this with the gaggle of enraged nerds that seems to come out of the woodwork every-time Blizzard instigates any kind of new grounding breaking change. I'm sure the people in this thread are going to go out of their way to harass me for doing this but I feel this is a large step that the gaming community needs to make so heres my tiny contribution--
Cya
Michael McGee
( OH GOD ) I think you are missing the point- you are sharing it on TL and not battle.net forums. You are sharing your information with people who are clearly not going to harass you as these are the people concerned about it! not to mention it ignores about a dozen or so other well made points in this thread the one regarding gender in particular is very hard to debate There have been plenty of famous forum girls in the past, even on popular trolling sites like Something Awful, who have never been tracked down and raped.
oh wow it didn't happen(as far as you know) on something awful. Clearly what has happened in the past with a small sample of girls on something awful represents what can possibly happen in the entirety of the future on blizzard's forums.
you are right though, it won't happen on blizzard's forums. because very very few girls are going to bother posting there anymore.
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On July 08 2010 10:29 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2010 10:27 kajeus wrote:On July 08 2010 10:23 travis wrote:On July 08 2010 10:21 shalamadoooo wrote:On July 08 2010 10:14 Synk wrote:
I'm actually 25 years old and I have worked in and around call centers all of my adult life. I know all about security and fraud as I have been in charge of handling credit applications at two of my previous employers. I've probably handled over ten thousand different peoples confidential information and taken personally half of that, I know all about this kind of stuff and I'm really quiet puzzled why you just assume I am not. Oh thats right, because people on the internet just talk out of their asses 24/7? right ....
Anyways, I'm not going to debate this with the gaggle of enraged nerds that seems to come out of the woodwork every-time Blizzard instigates any kind of new grounding breaking change. I'm sure the people in this thread are going to go out of their way to harass me for doing this but I feel this is a large step that the gaming community needs to make so heres my tiny contribution--
Cya
Michael McGee
( OH GOD ) I think you are missing the point- you are sharing it on TL and not battle.net forums. You are sharing your information with people who are clearly not going to harass you as these are the people concerned about it! not to mention it ignores about a dozen or so other well made points in this thread the one regarding gender in particular is very hard to debate There have been plenty of famous forum girls in the past, even on popular trolling sites like Something Awful, who have never been tracked down and raped. oh wow it didn't happen(as far as you know) on something awful. Clearly what has happened in the past with a small sample of girls on something awful represents what can possibly happen in the entirety of the future on blizzard's forums.
Yeah, it would probably be news if it happened.
I dunno, man. Be scared if you want. The future's scary.
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On July 08 2010 10:27 stink123 wrote:
I find it odd that you guys dont remember (or know) about the time when Manifesto went missing and Rekrul called on teamliquid to find him. The result was a perfect example for why people would rather have their online and offline lives separate without the "scare mongering" that some people have been speaking of.
I actually have no idea what this is. What exactly happened and is there a thread on this somewhere?
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On July 08 2010 10:27 kajeus wrote:
There have been plenty of famous forum girls in the past, even on popular trolling sites like Something Awful, who have never been tracked down and raped.
Sure, but it's not just rape, there's plenty of lesser ways people can harrass someone and make their life miserable. It's screwy that that's the the world we live in but that's the world we live in - as a woman if you're a gamer you stand out; and I don't think it's unreasonable to want the protection of an internet identity as some kind of a screen against that. Or at least to want the option.
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=40487
The Manifesto thread, its actually somewhat touching that the community worried that much over a missing member.
A summary of what happened
+ Show Spoiler + one of Manifestos friends in rl (Rakrul) was concerned that he couldn't get in contact with Manifesto, who had recently moved to Japan, he suspected something had gone wrong, the community listened to his plea and found Manifesto, who it turned out was just swamped with work (kept him from posting for months) I think manifesto eventualy left TL because of his workload
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On July 08 2010 10:31 im a roc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2010 10:27 stink123 wrote:
I find it odd that you guys dont remember (or know) about the time when Manifesto went missing and Rekrul called on teamliquid to find him. The result was a perfect example for why people would rather have their online and offline lives separate without the "scare mongering" that some people have been speaking of. I actually have no idea what this is. What exactly happened and is there a thread on this somewhere?
i'd be more inclined to mention hovz vs nextel lol
didn't hovz actually go to his house and fight him there? or am i misremembering
(im pretty sure the threads about it are gone)
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On July 08 2010 10:31 im a roc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2010 10:27 stink123 wrote:
I find it odd that you guys dont remember (or know) about the time when Manifesto went missing and Rekrul called on teamliquid to find him. The result was a perfect example for why people would rather have their online and offline lives separate without the "scare mongering" that some people have been speaking of. I actually have no idea what this is. What exactly happened and is there a thread on this somewhere?
The Canadian consulate was called.
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Hey guys,
I've been reading your forums for a while now, without posting. But I decided to create an account to respond to this thread.
My real name is unique. There's noone else in this world that has my name. I can actually trace my family name back to the 1600s when it was first taken up.
A simple google search of my name can provide details of my email address, facebook account, universities of attendance, etc etc etc. All it takes is a disagreement on a forum, or some disturbed person with a mental disorder and a bad day to lead to a barrage of harassment that I simply will not be able to avoid.
I will never post under my real name on a blizzard forum. Similarly, although I have already preordered SC2, there's a good chance I will never purchase a blizzard game again, if they go through with this.
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On July 08 2010 10:32 chocopan wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2010 10:27 kajeus wrote:
There have been plenty of famous forum girls in the past, even on popular trolling sites like Something Awful, who have never been tracked down and raped. Sure, but it's not just rape, there's plenty of lesser ways people can harrass someone and make their life miserable. It's screwy that that's the the world we live in but that's the world we live in - as a woman if you're a gamer you stand out; and I don't think it's unreasonable to want the protection of an internet identity as some kind of a screen against that. Or at least to want the option.
Yeah, I get it, and there are ups and downs to every decision. This could be a little uncomfortable for some women, but who knows whether that's justified? I don't.
Anyway, nobody is being forced to do anything. If this experiment never takes place, the world doesn't have any answers...
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On July 08 2010 10:35 kajeus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2010 10:32 chocopan wrote:On July 08 2010 10:27 kajeus wrote:
There have been plenty of famous forum girls in the past, even on popular trolling sites like Something Awful, who have never been tracked down and raped. Sure, but it's not just rape, there's plenty of lesser ways people can harrass someone and make their life miserable. It's screwy that that's the the world we live in but that's the world we live in - as a woman if you're a gamer you stand out; and I don't think it's unreasonable to want the protection of an internet identity as some kind of a screen against that. Or at least to want the option. Yeah, I get it, and there are ups and downs to every decision. This could be a little uncomfortable for some women, but who knows whether that's justified? I don't. Anyway, nobody is being forced to do anything. If this experiment never takes place, the world doesn't have any answers...
yeah clearly things can't work as they are
i mean look at TL. clearly this site is FUCKED and can't possibly make it!
(and this site doesn't even require you to have paid money to make an account, which bnet's forums do)
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On July 08 2010 10:35 teamliquiduser wrote:
Hey guys,
I've been reading your forums for a while now, without posting. But I decided to create an account to respond to this thread.
My real name is unique. There's noone else in this world that has my name. I can actually trace my family name back to the 1600s when it was first taken up.
A simple google search of my name can provide details of my email address, facebook account, universities of attendance, etc etc etc. All it takes is a disagreement on a forum, or some disturbed person with a mental disorder and a bad day to lead to a barrage of harassment that I simply will not be able to avoid.
I will never post under my real name on a blizzard forum. Similarly, although I have already preordered SC2, there's a good chance I will never purchase a blizzard game again, if they go through with this.
You'll never buy a Blizzard game again? That personally ENRAGES ME and as a result I am going to have to harass you forever, perhaps even steal your house!
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On July 08 2010 10:35 kajeus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2010 10:32 chocopan wrote:On July 08 2010 10:27 kajeus wrote:
There have been plenty of famous forum girls in the past, even on popular trolling sites like Something Awful, who have never been tracked down and raped. Sure, but it's not just rape, there's plenty of lesser ways people can harrass someone and make their life miserable. It's screwy that that's the the world we live in but that's the world we live in - as a woman if you're a gamer you stand out; and I don't think it's unreasonable to want the protection of an internet identity as some kind of a screen against that. Or at least to want the option. Yeah, I get it, and there are ups and downs to every decision. This could be a little uncomfortable for some women, but who knows whether that's justified? I don't. Anyway, nobody is being forced to do anything. If this experiment never takes place, the world doesn't have any answers...
You don't experiment with people's lives.
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On July 08 2010 10:36 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2010 10:35 kajeus wrote:On July 08 2010 10:32 chocopan wrote:On July 08 2010 10:27 kajeus wrote:
There have been plenty of famous forum girls in the past, even on popular trolling sites like Something Awful, who have never been tracked down and raped. Sure, but it's not just rape, there's plenty of lesser ways people can harrass someone and make their life miserable. It's screwy that that's the the world we live in but that's the world we live in - as a woman if you're a gamer you stand out; and I don't think it's unreasonable to want the protection of an internet identity as some kind of a screen against that. Or at least to want the option. Yeah, I get it, and there are ups and downs to every decision. This could be a little uncomfortable for some women, but who knows whether that's justified? I don't. Anyway, nobody is being forced to do anything. If this experiment never takes place, the world doesn't have any answers... yeah clearly things can't work as they are i mean look at TL. clearly this site is FUCKED and can't possibly make it! (and this site doesn't even require you to have paid money to make an account, which bnet's forums do)
Yeah, TL has a large staff of people who apparently are ok spending a lot of their free-time surfing the forums, unpaid. This is hard for a company to pull off. Moreover, certain things are permissible on TL that would not be on the forums of a respectable for-profit gaming company (which caters to many, many people) --- swearing, Hitler videos, etc. Also, how do you think the hits on TL compare to the hits Blizzard gets? They release some of the most popular games in the world! Their forums get zilllllions of hits. Compare that explosive WoW thread to this one, and imagine how many more people read it than post in it...
Imagine modding all those posts!
You don't experiment with people's lives.
LOL, melodramatically stated.
I think there is enough precedent to HYPOTHESIZE that this will not spell the end of any lives, physically, socially, emotionally, or otherwise. Look at alllllll the people who are already known by name on the Internet, in places both "safe" (TL?) and "dangerous" (Blizzard forums, apparently...).
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On July 08 2010 10:37 ta2 wrote:
You'll never buy a Blizzard game again? That personally ENRAGES ME and as a result I am going to have to harass you forever, perhaps even steal your house!
A company that puts me in a position where my privacy is at risk doesn't deserve any money from me. Buying their products supports their actions and gives them the mandate to continue with it.
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