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I cannot believe this is real.
If you think this is a good idea then I believe you are not thinking about all of the possibilities and ramifications. There is far more negative things to come of this than positive. Saying "I work at a call center and I dont steal people's identities so you're all just over reacting" isn't really relevant or useful to the conversation
I, for one, will never post on their forums again. I have a common name and I hope that no one else near my area with my name will either. I'd hate to have a future employer look at someone else's posts and think they're mine.
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On July 08 2010 10:44 teamliquiduser wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2010 10:37 ta2 wrote:
You'll never buy a Blizzard game again? That personally ENRAGES ME and as a result I am going to have to harass you forever, perhaps even steal your house! A company that puts me in a position where my privacy is at risk doesn't deserve any money from me. Buying their products supports their actions and gives them the mandate to continue with it.
You know, you could just simply boycott their forums... Jeez, man. They only put "your privacy at risk" with your explicit consent.
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I just realized...
...the trollers are the ones who actually do the privacy damage...thus...this change does nothing but hurt the non-trollers..
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On July 08 2010 10:44 teamliquiduser wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2010 10:37 ta2 wrote:
You'll never buy a Blizzard game again? That personally ENRAGES ME and as a result I am going to have to harass you forever, perhaps even steal your house! A company that puts me in a position where my privacy is at risk doesn't deserve any money from me. Buying their products supports their actions and gives them the mandate to continue with it.
Lol... sorry, if it wasn't clear I was being totally sarcastic. I agree with you, I will boycott Blizzard completely and continue to spam their forums as long as this continues.
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On July 08 2010 10:43 kajeus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2010 10:36 travis wrote:On July 08 2010 10:35 kajeus wrote:On July 08 2010 10:32 chocopan wrote:On July 08 2010 10:27 kajeus wrote:
There have been plenty of famous forum girls in the past, even on popular trolling sites like Something Awful, who have never been tracked down and raped. Sure, but it's not just rape, there's plenty of lesser ways people can harrass someone and make their life miserable. It's screwy that that's the the world we live in but that's the world we live in - as a woman if you're a gamer you stand out; and I don't think it's unreasonable to want the protection of an internet identity as some kind of a screen against that. Or at least to want the option. Yeah, I get it, and there are ups and downs to every decision. This could be a little uncomfortable for some women, but who knows whether that's justified? I don't. Anyway, nobody is being forced to do anything. If this experiment never takes place, the world doesn't have any answers... yeah clearly things can't work as they are i mean look at TL. clearly this site is FUCKED and can't possibly make it! (and this site doesn't even require you to have paid money to make an account, which bnet's forums do) Yeah, TL has a large staff of people who apparently are ok spending a lot of their free-time surfing the forums, unpaid. This is hard for a company to pull off. Moreover, certain things are permissible on TL that would not be on the forums of a respectable for-profit gaming company (which caters to many, many people) --- swearing, Hitler videos, etc. Also, how do you think the hits on TL compare to the hits Blizzard gets? They release some of the most popular games in the world! Their forums get zilllllions of hits. Compare that explosive WoW thread to this one, and imagine how many more people read it than post in it... Imagine modding all those posts! LOL, melodramatically stated. I think there is enough precedent to HYPOTHESIZE that this will not spell the end of any lives, physically, socially, emotionally, or otherwise. Look at alllllll the people who are already known by name on the Internet, in places both "safe" (TL?) and "dangerous" (Blizzard forums, apparently...).
Are you saying Blizzard dosn't have the cash to hire a few hundred mods if need be? Hell raise the fee on the WoW accounts by a dollar to pay for it. Also while alot of people who have given out their name have not gotten hurt, some have. Let me make this analogy, if you purchase a car that *only* has a 1/100000 chance of detonating when you put the key in the ignition are you still going to use it? Same thing with posting your name, its *unlikely* that something will happen but why would you ever take the chance of having your life destroyed for such little reward
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On July 08 2010 10:43 kajeus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2010 10:36 travis wrote:On July 08 2010 10:35 kajeus wrote:On July 08 2010 10:32 chocopan wrote:On July 08 2010 10:27 kajeus wrote:
There have been plenty of famous forum girls in the past, even on popular trolling sites like Something Awful, who have never been tracked down and raped. Sure, but it's not just rape, there's plenty of lesser ways people can harrass someone and make their life miserable. It's screwy that that's the the world we live in but that's the world we live in - as a woman if you're a gamer you stand out; and I don't think it's unreasonable to want the protection of an internet identity as some kind of a screen against that. Or at least to want the option. Yeah, I get it, and there are ups and downs to every decision. This could be a little uncomfortable for some women, but who knows whether that's justified? I don't. Anyway, nobody is being forced to do anything. If this experiment never takes place, the world doesn't have any answers... yeah clearly things can't work as they are i mean look at TL. clearly this site is FUCKED and can't possibly make it! (and this site doesn't even require you to have paid money to make an account, which bnet's forums do) Yeah, TL has a large staff of people who apparently are ok spending a lot of their free-time surfing the forums, unpaid. This is hard for a company to pull off. Moreover, certain things are permissible on TL that would not be on the forums of a respectable for-profit gaming company (which caters to many, many people) --- swearing, Hitler videos, etc. Also, how do you think the hits on TL compare to the hits Blizzard gets? They release some of the most popular games in the world! Their forums get zilllllions of hits. Compare that explosive WoW thread to this one, and imagine how many more people read it than post in it...
except you ignore my point that once they ban an account the person can't make another unless they pay money for another copy of the game
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On July 08 2010 10:45 SentrySteve wrote:
I cannot believe this is real.
If you think this is a good idea then I believe you are not thinking about all of the possibilities and ramifications. There is far more negative things to come of this than positive. Saying "I work at a call center and I dont steal people's identities so you're all just over reacting" isn't really relevant or useful to the conversation
I, for one, will never post on their forums again. I have a common name and I hope that no one else near my area with my name will either. I'd hate to have a future employer look at someone else's posts and think they're mine.
You know what I find funny?
Is that there are so many people so against this that I don't have a clue how people think that anyone is going to harm them, when everyone else is in the same boat! You are worried about protecting your identity, but so is the next guy, but oh wait! he's going to harass me if I cheese him...(assuming SC2 here)
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On July 08 2010 10:43 kajeus wrote:
LOL, melodramatically stated.
I think there is enough precedent to HYPOTHESIZE that this will not spell the end of any lives, physically, socially, emotionally, or otherwise. Look at alllllll the people who are already known by name on the Internet, in places both "safe" (TL?) and "dangerous" (Blizzard forums, apparently...).
I don't see it that way at all. Women will be harassed by this. Stalkers will be empowered by this. Legitimate customers will be silenced by this. People who are in positions of power or are concerned about future employment will be silenced as they won't risk putting their futures in jeopardy. Kids won't know any better and neither will many adults until it is too late.
All it does it does is remove the people who have things to lose from the community. The community, then, will be even more susceptible to these sorts of privacy invasions and then blizzard will have license to do even crazier things.
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On July 08 2010 10:50 RageOverdose wrote:
You know what I find funny?
Is that there are so many people so against this that I don't have a clue how people think that anyone is going to harm them, when everyone else is in the same boat! You are worried about protecting your identity, but so is the next guy, but oh wait! he's going to harass me if I cheese him...(assuming SC2 here)
Its not the people who are posting that are the issue, its the lurkers and the unstable people who can easily be hiding under a facade, I mean you dont need an account to see blizzards forums, all you need is an internet connection.
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On July 08 2010 10:45 kajeus wrote:
You know, you could just simply boycott their forums... Jeez, man. They only put "your privacy at risk" with your explicit consent.
Blizzard forums are a key part of customer service. This issue has been discussed over and over.
The argument that my privacy is not at risk because I can simply choose not to ever post on their forums, is flawed.
Furthermore, there are circumstances in which you will actually be referred to the forums to solve problems.
Anyways, we're just repeating arguments that others have had in the 1000+ page thread. I just wanted to put my discontent out there too.
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On July 08 2010 10:52 teamliquiduser wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2010 10:45 kajeus wrote:
You know, you could just simply boycott their forums... Jeez, man. They only put "your privacy at risk" with your explicit consent. Blizzard forums are a key part of customer service. This issue has been discussed over and over. The argument that my privacy is not at risk because I can simply choose not to ever post on their forums, is flawed. Furthermore, there are circumstances in which you will actually be referred to the forums to solve problems. Anyways, we're just repeating arguments that others have had in the 1000+ page thread. I just wanted to put my discontent out there too.
I don't think they are a key part of customer service. Earlier in this thread, someone linked a page that had upwards of 5-10 different ways of obtaining customer support, be it tech support or otherwise. Being referred to the forums does not necessarily(!) mean that you will be required to post in them. It's up to you.
Blizzard is experimenting with a revolutionary idea. If you don't want to participate, they will notice a drop in their activity. That's data.
I think it's a worthwhile experiment. I think I would back down, if I were Blizzard, but I'd wait a week a more to get an idea of how bad the "backlash" really is.
except you ignore my point that once they ban an account the person can't make another unless they pay money for another copy of the game
Sounds like a point an experienced Blizzard mod would have to field, if he were allowed to do so for PR reasons. Too many people? Maybe. Too many posts? Maybe. Bad PR to ban people? Maybe.
How many people does TL ban a day? How many trolls still run amok here?
And do you perm ban? Temp ban? What do you do?
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On July 08 2010 10:50 RageOverdose wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2010 10:45 SentrySteve wrote:
I cannot believe this is real.
If you think this is a good idea then I believe you are not thinking about all of the possibilities and ramifications. There is far more negative things to come of this than positive. Saying "I work at a call center and I dont steal people's identities so you're all just over reacting" isn't really relevant or useful to the conversation
I, for one, will never post on their forums again. I have a common name and I hope that no one else near my area with my name will either. I'd hate to have a future employer look at someone else's posts and think they're mine. You know what I find funny? Is that there are so many people so against this that I don't have a clue how people think that anyone is going to harm them, when everyone else is in the same boat! You are worried about protecting your identity, but so is the next guy, but oh wait! he's going to harass me if I cheese him...(assuming SC2 here)
Do you lock your door when you leave the house?
'cause by your reasoning, you should have no clue why! You are worried about protecting your stuff, but so is your neighbor, but oh wait! He's going to steal your stuff if you don't lock your door...
You lock your door when you leave the house to prevent the possibility.
I really hope you get this analogy.....
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On July 08 2010 10:52 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2010 10:50 RageOverdose wrote:
You know what I find funny?
Is that there are so many people so against this that I don't have a clue how people think that anyone is going to harm them, when everyone else is in the same boat! You are worried about protecting your identity, but so is the next guy, but oh wait! he's going to harass me if I cheese him...(assuming SC2 here)
Its not the people who are posting that are the issue, its the lurkers and the unstable people who can easily be hiding under a facade, I mean you dont need an account to see blizzards forums, all you need is an internet connection.
The ONLY way they can find you is if they already knew your name to begin with. How is he going to know that this one guy is the dude that cheesed him, unless he brags about it? As far as it's been told, only your real name shows up, not the Real ID itself, which is your email. I also don't believe any of that is visible in the game.
You can opt to not show your in-game information, such as your character name, and I also assume SC2 name/identifier (I hope that assumption is correct, but we'll see).
Now if someone just wanted names for whatever reason, then they'd be much better off going to Facebook or something.
And we all know that the unstable people will do it anyway, real names or not.
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Here's the issue people aren't really looking at. Right now, it's just the forums. What's next?
Shortly after release, Blizzard is releasing chat rooms into StarCraft II.
I don't have to connect the dots here. Everybody who can put 2 and 2 together knows that SC2 chat rooms will be RealID-only.
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Man since SC2 Beta everything bad I have heard no lan, no chat, no cross realm I have been telling my self its ok this is Blizzard their not gonna screw their valuable costumers over... and after this whole mess I am speechless.
I found so much info about myself from google... this is stupid.
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On July 08 2010 10:57 kajeus wrote:
Blizzard is experimenting with a revolutionary idea. If you don't want to participate, they will notice a drop in their activity. That's data.
I think it's a worthwhile experiment. I think I would back down, if I were Blizzard, but I'd wait a week a more to get an idea of how bad the "backlash" really is.
Communism was a revolutionary idea too, ask those who died under Stalin how bad the "backlash" was, it is not ok to just test out an idea if people can be hurt as a result, and people already have, just ask Bashiok if having his house called at night and his facebook spammed was any fun, is someone going to have to get seriously hurt to prove that this is a bad idea?
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On July 08 2010 11:02 dew wrote:
Here's the issue people aren't really looking at. Right now, it's just the forums. What's next?
Shortly after release, Blizzard is releasing chat rooms into StarCraft II.
I don't have to connect the dots here. Everybody who can put 2 and 2 together knows that SC2 chat rooms will be RealID-only.
Yeah, people bring that up all the time.
I would be opposed to Real-ID chatrooms.
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On July 08 2010 11:00 InfiniteIce wrote:
Do you lock your door when you leave the house?
'cause by your reasoning, you should have no clue why! You are worried about protecting your stuff, but so is your neighbor, but oh wait! He's going to steal your stuff if you don't lock your door...
You lock your door when you leave the house to prevent the possibility.
I really hope you get this analogy.....
And when I forget I don't freak the hell out. I do it out of habit a lot, and because I'm not there to take care of the problem when it happens. If someone starts harassing you, you can nip in the bud before it escalates.
But hey, want to go do the whole "Everything is like everything else" direction, then if you're against this, I guess you shouldn't even walk outside, buy a ton of guns, live in a bubble...I'd say I could go on but my creativity is just lacking.
Hell, you shouldn't even be on the Internet!
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On July 08 2010 11:03 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2010 10:57 kajeus wrote:
Blizzard is experimenting with a revolutionary idea. If you don't want to participate, they will notice a drop in their activity. That's data.
I think it's a worthwhile experiment. I think I would back down, if I were Blizzard, but I'd wait a week a more to get an idea of how bad the "backlash" really is. Communism was a revolutionary idea too, ask those who died under Stalin how bad the "backlash" was,
Oh my...
it is not ok to just test out an idea if people can be hurt as a result, and people already have, just ask Bashiok if having his house called at night and his facebook spammed was any fun, is someone going to have to get seriously hurt to prove that this is a bad idea?
I don't think there's a real tangible risk of that, honestly. And I think there's plenty of reason to feel this way.
Bashiok was targeted by thousands of people. Anybody who gets targeted anywhere by thousands of people is gonna feel the pain. Think of all the people we COULD target... Your neighbour... Day[9]... Shiver...
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On July 08 2010 11:01 RageOverdose wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2010 10:52 GMarshal wrote:On July 08 2010 10:50 RageOverdose wrote:
You know what I find funny?
Is that there are so many people so against this that I don't have a clue how people think that anyone is going to harm them, when everyone else is in the same boat! You are worried about protecting your identity, but so is the next guy, but oh wait! he's going to harass me if I cheese him...(assuming SC2 here)
Its not the people who are posting that are the issue, its the lurkers and the unstable people who can easily be hiding under a facade, I mean you dont need an account to see blizzards forums, all you need is an internet connection. The ONLY way they can find you is if they already knew your name to begin with. How is he going to know that this one guy is the dude that cheesed him, unless he brags about it? As far as it's been told, only your real name shows up, not the Real ID itself, which is your email. I also don't believe any of that is visible in the game. You can opt to not show your in-game information, such as your character name, and I also assume SC2 name/identifier (I hope that assumption is correct, but we'll see). Now if someone just wanted names for whatever reason, then they'd be much better off going to Facebook or something. And we all know that the unstable people will do it anyway, real names or not.
Fine, say that instead of cheesing this psycho you happen to refuse him from your clan in the blizzard clan recruitment forum, or you post a suggestion to nerf his favorite unit on blizzards forums and he just snaps, it can happen its easier for him to find you if he knows you by your real name rather than a handle that cannot be related to your real life.
Also the next logical step is to stop BM and Spamming in game by making you use real id there too
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