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On June 09 2010 01:56 Archerofaiur wrote:I wanna make a note on Chill's edit. Boycotting is perhaps the worst way to protest a game. However ranking the game a low score on amazon, ign, metacritic etc.. WILL have an impact on the games eventual sales. So lets see RankingFree: Check Effective: Check Easy: Check Legal: Check Your right as a gamer: Check And we already have 6000 people who say they would do it. I have trouble believing 23% of people taking that poll would forgo Starcraft. However I have no trouble believing people would be willing to click a link to protest Activisions treatment of BNET 0.2 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=128014
oh, please.
if i rated sc2 low, i'd have to rate every other game i ever played in the future, besides diablo3, 1 star.
and don't give me, "but bnet2.0..."
it's clear they're still working on it. u guys get ur panties in a wad so quickly.
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On June 09 2010 01:55 Takkara wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2010 01:45 fellcrow wrote:
Or would you disagree and say since Activision bought blizzard, they are a better company. I'm saying in all honesty it doesn't matter in the least. They could slaughter baby penguins on their lunch breaks, and it wouldn't affect the fact that I think SC2 is fun. Then I'd pretty much assume that the company wasn't going to be around very long after people found out about the penguin slaughter, but SC2 would still be fun. Fun game is fun. If it's not fun, don't buy it. Don't avoid it because one guy somewhere wrote a 10 page post that kinda not really links Blizzard to some guy that a bunch of people say is supposedly the devil. Why let all that get in the way of your visceral reaction to the actual game? Was it fun? Yes. Buy it.
To me, personally, it does matter. I feel that blizzard has not met the standards it once set for its player base. But another thing that worries me is the final price of the game after all 3 are released. I, personally and total opinion here, am morally opposed to paying $180 for basically one game. If anyone has a link on what the expansion costs will be, for sure 100%, I would like to know. I do NOT want to pay $60 for each game. That is just ridiculous and I won't do it haha.
And Bnet 2.0, I personally don't like the interface but that is moot haha.
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On June 09 2010 02:06 holy_war wrote:
Nice touch Chill! It's like the Modern Warfare 2 boycott list on steam all over again. I bet 90% of you guys who voted to boycott will be playing the game once released.
Or the Left 4 Dead 2 boycott .... or any boycott of any video game ever. Even if the people who say they will boycott do ... like Blizzard will care if a couple hundred people don't buy it.
The topic rename is awesome.
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On June 09 2010 02:16 fellcrow wrote:
That is just ridiculous and I won't do it haha.
Actually, once Blizzard raises the hype for each of the expansions and gains the support of the starcraft community, you will.
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Now people are bringing WoW into this?
Apparently it's difficult for some to understand that considerably limited game experience, as opposed to what people are used to, can act as a turn off when it comes to buying games.
Basically, all the "You're still gonna buy it" proclaimers came here to label all the protesters 'full of shit' in a hope to filter those who actually are full of shit, forgetting that doing so automatically labels them the same.
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This threat title is insulting.
Some mod have a skewed sense of humour. ;;
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On June 09 2010 02:15 danl9rm wrote:
it's clear they're still working on it. u guys get ur panties in a wad so quickly.
Go watch the husky video. I dont think your informed just how many problems Blizzard is actually "working on"*
*"low priority" "not necessary" and/or "soooo 2002"
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On June 09 2010 02:18 Mr.Eternity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2010 02:16 fellcrow wrote:
That is just ridiculous and I won't do it haha. Actually, once Blizzard raises the hype for each of the expansions and gains the support of the starcraft community, you will.
You really will pay $60 for each game, despite the lack of content that will be added to the multiplayer?
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On June 09 2010 02:23 fellcrow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2010 02:18 Mr.Eternity wrote:On June 09 2010 02:16 fellcrow wrote:
That is just ridiculous and I won't do it haha. Actually, once Blizzard raises the hype for each of the expansions and gains the support of the starcraft community, you will. You really will pay $60 for each game, despite the lack of content that will be added to the multiplayer? Where'd you hear each game is $60?
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On June 09 2010 02:23 fellcrow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2010 02:18 Mr.Eternity wrote:On June 09 2010 02:16 fellcrow wrote:
That is just ridiculous and I won't do it haha. Actually, once Blizzard raises the hype for each of the expansions and gains the support of the starcraft community, you will. You really will pay $60 for each game, despite the lack of content that will be added to the multiplayer?
lol, and the alternative is to play an outdated game that all the pros have cast aside, kind of like the original starcraft. Face it, every time Blizzard updates one of its games and the reception from the community is good, most of the people will switch
And the point of the expansions isn't to add content to the multiplayer, it's to add a greater depth of gameplay.
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Look.
People will buy cheap socks from china even though they know it would eventaully put people they know out of work.
People will buy quality games from bastards because... they are quality games.
If people wish to hate on blizzard do so. That's fine. I'm sorry but it's not going to do much, but go ahead. More power to you. Really though, maybe put that energy to something more worth while, like helping the elderly in your neigherhood or whatever. Saddly what makes a multi-billion dollar industy move is not talk, it's not reviews, it's not jack shit but money.
As an aside what has blizzard done that is so wrong? They made SC2 not SC1 with new graphics. Do I agree with everything, no. Do I play the game and think it plays well... yup. Blizzard hasn't let me down yet. So of course I'm gonig to buy the game.
I will never buy another modern warfare. I believe in rewarding the people that made the game, not the people who funded it. Activision fucked that one up bad. So I'm done.
To people who played wow for years then cry blizzard ruined it... no they made a game you loved for years... the people that made your game moved on to other projects as their success allowed, and new people moved in - who, guess what, had different ideas. Turns out millions still love wow though.
SC2 will be different, made by different people, with different ideas. Most of us will still like it, hell love it. Though a few things will piss us off. Some of us will burn out and leave. Overall SC2 will be a success
Look if you are going to boycott sc2 because they don't add chat rooms? please ... people will mod the sc2 client and there will be chat rooms. Blizzard will go fuck it, might as well add them in proper since people like it. Or maybe they won't, oh well. 1 feature does not ruin the game. I'm sorry. Not in the world of irc and msn and fuck it chat rullette
Will they sell some protraits and cool shiny shinys ? Hell ya. So what? Let the fools and their money be parted. This is not something to be upset about. When they start trying to whore you out at 15$ for the next "SC2 Map Pack of 3 maps from BW" then don't buy it.
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On June 08 2010 19:24 killercheebo wrote:
However, none of these are surprising or are anything new to me. I played WoW for years until latest expansions and personally experienced the way blizzard handles things and their policies toward WoW playerbase. They never listen to the community, unless it is a suggestion that can generate them more money. Of all the suggestions and proposed balance changes players posted on forums, only suggestions they accepted were things like paid name change service, paid character server transfer, in game mounts that cost $20, etc.
I really have to disagree here. Had been playing WoW since Vanilla. Let's see, things they added since release. They went from 1 viable raiding and 1 viable pvp build for each class, to multiple. They did away with useless talents so people can actually make a choice now and not be severely handicapped for it. I played hunter, they made huge improvements to that class. They did away with our PvP being boring, and made it challenging. They did away with our yawn-worthy shot rotation in raids, and gave us lots of choices and active dynamics (see the difference between molten core hunter jobs, to BWL, then to Naxx 1.0, then Naxx 2.0, etc...). It went from pointless mindless progress stopping world pvp, to battlegrounds, to raid pvp, to raid pvp with vehicles that feels like world pvp, to raid pve with vehicles that feels pvp'ish. You get the point. They didn't JUST add features that they could charge you for. I think the insinuation that ALL WoW got was pay services since release is absolutely not backed up by evidence in any way at all.
I was able to foresee the direction the B.net 0.2 will be taking ever since they forced WoW players into merging their accounts to a new "battle.net account". New b.net 0.2 is exactly like how WoW or other MMORPG servers work. Its definately very un-RTS like. Things like regional locking, "characters (lol?)", parties (SC2 =/= RPG), and achievements (direct ripoff from WoW). I repeat, SC2 is an RTS, not an MMO like WoW. Even their new matchmaking system is completely taken from WoW's arena matchmaking system, which became worse in latest expansion, by the way. Blizzard believes that since WoW made them so much cash, turning SC2 into another WoW would yield them more money. In fact, one of the probable reasons why they are incorporating so much WOW bullshit into SC2 is to attract their vast reservoir of WOW gamers into buying SC2. Remember that tauren marine april fools joke? And lot of the units (roaches, stalker, immortal, etc) looks like those nerubian WC3 / WOW units.
They have said before they will look into getting rid of regional locks maybe in some way. Parties are actually interesting, it's a little easier than WC3 for instance where you have to keep joining the same chat room and talking to be in a "party". I remember playing 10 hours in a sitting of DotA with my friends, this new party system makes that incredibly easier, I don't see how it's DETRIMENTAL to you playing the game. Achievements wasn't even a direct ripoff of WoW, it came from X-Box live way before, and a few other games before that as well. Achievements are in all games now, it's an industry standard, sorta like online play is nowadays a standard for almost all games in any genre to feature and force their games to be designed and tailored for. I'll partly agree on the matchmaking, but I haven't FELT a negative effect from it, personally everyone I have fought has helped me get better, every single match, it hasn't held me back. The only reason it feels bad to self-proclaimed "pros" like you, is because there are so few people playing in beta compared to what the live product will be, it keeps matching you up against lower players or players at too high a level. This will fade with time. SC2's release will have at LEAST 10 times as many people playing at one time. I really don't see how the roaches look like anything else other than a kind of new lurker, the stalker is very reminiscent of the dragoon, and the immortal, is there really any huge robot walker thing like that in WoW that isn't some gnomish invention that has smoke puffing out of it? I think most of these complaints are pointless, most of them are just extra features that don't DAMAGE your ability to play well and that don't hurt the competitive nature of the game at all. They are just things you associate with a previous game (wrongfully) that you don't like and use it as an unreasonable excuse to hate this game.
Blizzard did say they will add things like chat rooms in the future. However, I know for 100% sure that there will be NO LAN in this game. There will also be no cross-regional play, since that is completely incompatible with how the new B.net 0.2 works. Afterall, blizzard wants customers to buy one copy of the game for each of the regions. I myself have a US and EU realm WoW accounts, and they're completely separate and incompatible with one another.
Look at it from their perspective, they ARE a business afterall. Starcraft is one of the most heavily pirated games STILL today, even though it's dirt cheap on shelves, gamers would rather be assholes and steal from them. Why would they want to keep catering to people that don't even play their game. I have yet to have even more than 1/10 of my games be laggy beyond playability, and that was in BETA. Beta is supposed to be shitty, and not feel right, I'm fairly certain that the finished product should be near lanlike play. I agree, LAN would be nice, but it's just not economically viable to companies anymore. They could have done something like steam, but then you would complain about a frontend like steam. All that effort for nothing, when they are already spending so much money to run servers and make them enjoyable for all. And the cross realm argument I agree, there should be seperate realms that are selectable, but again, this causes problems when they are forced to have different prices and pay plans in different countries, causing people to import the game, thus circumventing this.
Therefore, don't expect any significant change for B.net 0.2 as it was in beta, except for addition of chat rooms. Only other differences will be that there will be bunch of extra "paid" features. In fact, they even stated that they planned on monetizing on player-made custom maps. Plus Blizz has reputation of taking months fix even simplest bugs in WoW. Rogue's vanish has been bugged since 2006 and still never been fixed.
What a weird thing to pick out, rogue's vanish? Rogues are the undisputed best PvP class, there is no arguing that, they always have been, and always will be, and even in their worst scenario (BG's) they still kick ass. The vanish bugs have been around, and they still are the most dominant pvp class, the most PLAYED class. And the vanish bugs were numerous and ever since 2006 they have continuously fixed a new bug involving vanish. What a stupid argument to bring up. If you were being fair and intelligent and looking at all the evidence of this situation to bring your case forward you would note all of the bug fixes that blizzard HAS implemented in WoW, which is an ENORMOUS list. Absolutely pointless for me to post, just the point was to expose your obvious one-sided bias in how you post. I agree, DLC maps, not cool, but then again they said they will be higher quality than that of the ever popular DotA, which maybe even half of the sales of the battle chest were just for that game (I know I bought two whole battle chests just for DotA).
Overall, 2008 and onwards blizzard has transformed into another EA like company that nickel dimes the gamers and neglect them completely pretty much. This is why I am going to boycott SC2 and all of the future blizzard products (D3, WoW-cataclysm, etc). P.S. i will only buy this game if they add LAN and cross server play. By the way, sign this LAN petition (over 250,000 sigs so far) http://www.PetitionOnline.com/LANSC2/
I don't believe blizzard has been transformed into an EA-like company, mainly because they still have battle.net support for a game that is 15 years old (War2). Blizzard also treats it's employees very well, whereas EA, does not. Blizzard also treats it's fans well, whereas, EA does not. There are so many examples of this and if you don't know them, I suggest looking up Blizzcon, all of the made for fans merchandise out there, etc...
Basically your post was just a biased rage-rant that was uninformative and uninformed. You are not looking at the evidence that is clearly all over the internet without a filter. You seem to have this intention that Starcraft 2 is WoW'ized, despite it only having parties, and achievements, things that are not characteristically WoW or even MMORPG specific. You seem to claim blizzard is lazy about fixing technical issues, yet within a few months we saw 17 (correct me if I'm wrong please) for the Beta, and a friend of mine was let in the Alpha/Pre-Beta and there were many more patches during that phase as well.
Seriously, go cry to someone else, boycott the game, with the other 200 people, the rest of us 200,000 plus on opening day will buy it happily, and play ladder, get good at the game, and stomp all over someone like you by the time Blizzard convinces you to play.
Just wanted to add in the bug fixes of the first live patch in WoW. JUST the bug fixes.
A bug with bandages has been fixed. Previously, only the lowest rank bandage (Linen Bandage) was working correctly in that it brought up a channeling bar and required you to remain still while bandaging. All of the other bandage types (Heavy Linen through Heavy Runecloth) were working incorrectly, but have been fixed to operate the same way that Linen Bandages do.
Cenarion Vindicators no longer summon Forces of Nature as quickly.
Severed Dreamers no longer summon Nightmares as quickly.
Several elite creatures that were missing their elite tags have been fixed.
Will of the Forsaken is no longer grayed out on the action bar while you are fleeing.
The Emerald Dragon Whelp will assist you when summoned.
Aquatic creatures will no longer eventually teleport to you if you harass them from land.
Undead players will no longer be invisible when they first log in after watching the intro cinematic.
Fixed the rotating animations of the crystals in Un'Goro Crater.
Reginald Windsor's yell can be heard during The Great Masquerade.
Kodos in the Barrens will no longer stomp incessantly while in combat.
The Ward of Laze is now summoned at a more appropriate level, instead of level one.
Some elite creatures in outdoor areas of the world had higher than normal experience modifiers, and were corrected to award the proper amount of experience.
Rare creatures in many of the higher level outdoor zones will now use their appropriate combat abilities.
Autoloot has been fixed to work with skinning.
Fixed durability display on vendor buyback items.
Some creatures in the outdoor world had much less armor than intended. This has been corrected.
A bug causing war stomp to not affect some targets within melee range has been fixed.
Yeah they waste so much time never fixing any bugs srsly. QQ
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When I say I'll boycott, I'll boycott. Saying one thing and doing another is one of the worst things a human being can possibly do.
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On June 09 2010 02:32 LunarC wrote:
When I say I'll boycott, I'll boycott. Saying one thing and doing another is one of the worst things a human being can possibly do.
Pretty sure killing, raping, murdering, being complacent, etc... are a lot worse than that. Changing your mind isn't one of the WORST things a human being can POSSIBLY do. Everyone loves to exaggerate on this forum I have noticed.
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Do the people saying activsion owns blizzard know that blizzards past parent company vivendi own 54% of actiblizz stock?
Please stop saying activision owns blizzard. Its more accurate to say vivendi, blizzards owner for some years, now controlls actiblizz.
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On June 09 2010 02:40 beefstew wrote:
Do the people saying activsion owns blizzard know that blizzards past parent company vivendi own 54% of actiblizz stock?
Please stop saying activision owns blizzard. Its more accurate to say vivendi, blizzards owner for some years, now controlls actiblizz.
Well said, this is much more accurate. Stocks determine large scale decisions such as their regional support for the purpose of money much more than activision.
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it is pretty obvious that EVERYONE that care about starcraft will buy SC2 whatever the state of bnet 2.0 is. If you dont buy it because of bnet 2.0 it just means you dont really care about the game itself and you will not be a huge loss to the community. ( The previous statement is dedicated to the PLAYERS, of course if you are a map maker or a modder or whatever else you might be, bnet 2.0 might affect you more and that would be reasonable for you not to buy it because of it but as a dedicated player bnet 2.0 should come AFTER the game itself ). Of course everyone knows the obvious flaws and would like to see them changed... and saying you will 'boycott' sc2 might make you feel like you will change something... but in the end if you care about sc2 you will buy it.
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Fast and efficient matchmaking system and a game thats almost balanced in the beta stages, can't possibly ask for more.
As for chat channels, even if the sc2 goes live w/o them, you can always use irc or something else to create channels dedicated to the game, I don't see the problem really.
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why would i boycott a game ive been literally dieing to play for the last 8+ years?
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On June 08 2010 19:38 jtgizmo wrote:
this thread is slightly silly, 90% of those who go - im not going to buy, will end up buying the game anyway. so whole poll for this topic is mute.
Not true, many will download pirated versions in spite of blizzard.
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