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killercheebo
Profile Joined November 2009
Korea (North)46 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-08 13:20:11
June 08 2010 10:24 GMT
#1
Poll: Will you buy or boycott StarCraft 2?

Buy (1065)
 
78%

Boycott (308)
 
22%

1373 total votes

Your vote: Will you buy or boycott StarCraft 2?

(Vote): Buy
(Vote): Boycott



I myself also "used to be" a blizzard fan, playing all of the games they have ever released (sc bw, d2, wc3, wow, etc).

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=128252
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=128014


In 2008, as reported by Forbes magazine, Robert Kotick received nearly $15 million USD in salary, benefits, options and incentives for his work with Activision Blizzard, of which $899,560 was his actual salary.

Some of his quotes:
"We have a real culture of thrift. The goal that I had in bringing a lot of the packaged goods folks into Activision about 10 years ago was to take all the fun out of making video games."

Kotick later stated he tries to promote an atmosphere of "skepticism, pessimism, and fear" in his company and, "We are very good at keeping people focused on the deep depression."[13]


I've read numerous threads on TL which complained the way blizzard is taking, and their overall policies. I read all of the blue posts, and all of the interviews with the developers.


However, none of these are surprising or are anything new to me. I played WoW for years until latest expansions and personally experienced the way blizzard handles things and their policies toward WoW playerbase. They never listen to the community, unless it is a suggestion that can generate them more money. Of all the suggestions and proposed balance changes players posted on forums, only suggestions they accepted were things like paid name change service, paid character server transfer, in game mounts that cost $20, etc.

I was able to foresee the direction the B.net 0.2 will be taking ever since they forced WoW players into merging their accounts to a new "battle.net account". New b.net 0.2 is exactly like how WoW or other MMORPG servers work. Its definately very un-RTS like. Things like regional locking, "characters (lol?)", parties (SC2 =/= RPG), and achievements (direct ripoff from WoW). I repeat, SC2 is an RTS, not an MMO like WoW. Even their new matchmaking system is completely taken from WoW's arena matchmaking system, which became worse in latest expansion, by the way. Blizzard believes that since WoW made them so much cash, turning SC2 into another WoW would yield them more money. In fact, one of the probable reasons why they are incorporating so much WOW bullshit into SC2 is to attract their vast reservoir of WOW gamers into buying SC2. Remember that tauren marine april fools joke? And lot of the units (roaches, stalker, immortal, etc) looks like those nerubian WC3 / WOW units.

Blizzard did say they will add things like chat rooms in the future. However, I know for 100% sure that there will be NO LAN in this game. There will also be no cross-regional play, since that is completely incompatible with how the new B.net 0.2 works. Afterall, blizzard wants customers to buy one copy of the game for each of the regions. I myself have a US and EU realm WoW accounts, and they're completely separate and incompatible with one another.



Therefore, don't expect any significant change for B.net 0.2 as it was in beta, except for addition of chat rooms. Only other differences will be that there will be bunch of extra "paid" features. In fact, they even stated that they planned on monetizing on player-made custom maps. Plus Blizz has reputation of taking months fix even simplest bugs in WoW. Rogue's vanish has been bugged since 2006 and still never been fixed.


Overall, 2008 and onwards blizzard has transformed into another EA like company that nickel dimes the gamers and neglect them completely pretty much. This is why I am going to boycott SC2 and all of the future blizzard products (D3, WoW-cataclysm, etc).

P.S. i will only buy this game if they add LAN and cross server play.

By the way, sign this LAN petition (over 250,000 sigs so far)
http://www.PetitionOnline.com/LANSC2/
NORTH KOREA PWNS AT SC
shawabawa
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom417 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-08 10:29:25
June 08 2010 10:27 GMT
#2
Bnet has screwed up a little bit, but after trying out wc3 custom games yesterday I have to say I absolutely love the new custom game browser in comparison. I can't believe people want to go back to the shitty wc3 system where games appear randomly on your list and joining with friends is nearly impossible.

They need to add LAN/non-bnet hosting and it will be awesome. I'm not really going to miss chat rooms. No cross realms really does suck too, hopefully they'll change that at some point.


SC2 is still by far the best game released in several years, definitely going to buy it.
killercheebo
Profile Joined November 2009
Korea (North)46 Posts
June 08 2010 10:30 GMT
#3
SC2 is a great game.

But at the same time, it is against my personal and moral principle to donate money to corporate pigs such as activision blizzard. Therefore i have a dilemma here.

Only way they will decide to change their policies for SC2 and all of their future games is if their sales drop to zero due to boycotts and piracy.
NORTH KOREA PWNS AT SC
Brad
Profile Joined April 2010
2754 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-08 10:34:00
June 08 2010 10:33 GMT
#4
The term boycott is so ridiculous, it's such a petulant stance.
Lee Jae Dong proved that a focus on mechanics and execution could solve problems in the StarCraft game strategy.
MorroW
Profile Joined August 2008
Sweden3522 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-08 10:35:45
June 08 2010 10:34 GMT
#5
to be honest i dont see LAN being that important as many say. i just want the game to work smooth and i think the latency is just fine in bnet2.0. i can micro my units and do my stuff without feeling the delay so much.
in lans of sc1 tours almost everyone used the iccup server which was "lan" LAN and this was better for the player than actual LAN because u were more used to iccups latency than actual lan latency.
same will work for sc2 and players will be happy there is same latency in every tournament and place so u can play ur game well.
in iccup most of the times high lat or low lat didnt matter so much and most of times i had to play on high lat which was just fine for me even at higher levels.
i would be better player and have better games if i always had high lat on iccup rather than low lat vs foreigners and high vs koreans. so at end of the day its better with a good connection to bnet2 than lan latency imo

i personally think the latency is gonna be ok but everything else sucks about bnet 2

im gonna get my game for free so its not much questions for me. if u like sc2 u should buy it even if they r greedy suits who only want money.
Progamerpls no copy pasterino
DarKFoRcE
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany1215 Posts
June 08 2010 10:34 GMT
#6
The gameplay is good, so i'll buy it. I have hopes that bnet 2.0 will improve in the future.
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killercheebo
Profile Joined November 2009
Korea (North)46 Posts
June 08 2010 10:35 GMT
#7
On June 08 2010 19:33 Brad wrote:
The term boycott is so ridiculous, it's such a petulant stance.


There are many people who are being turned away from SC2 and won't be buying the game. I myself included. Therefore, term boycott is the strongest and most effective way to describe this.

Since I read many posts which people said they won't be buying the game, I just want to see how many people would actually go through with their statements.
NORTH KOREA PWNS AT SC
Merikh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States918 Posts
June 08 2010 10:37 GMT
#8
Preordered, game's so solid right now. Already addicted .

G4MR | I mod day9, djwheat and GLHF's stream
killercheebo
Profile Joined November 2009
Korea (North)46 Posts
June 08 2010 10:37 GMT
#9
On June 08 2010 19:34 DarKFoRcE wrote:
The gameplay is good, so i'll buy it. I have hopes that bnet 2.0 will improve in the future.


and that is how activision is misleading you. they are exploiting SC1 and blizzard's past good reputation into making fans believe that they will improve bnet 0.2, when in fact they won't. After enough units have been sold and money have been squeezed out of SC2, they will simply stop caring
NORTH KOREA PWNS AT SC
MorroW
Profile Joined August 2008
Sweden3522 Posts
June 08 2010 10:37 GMT
#10
On June 08 2010 19:35 killercheebo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2010 19:33 Brad wrote:
The term boycott is so ridiculous, it's such a petulant stance.


There are many people who are being turned away from SC2 and won't be buying the game. I myself included. Therefore, term boycott is the strongest and most effective way to describe this.

Since I read many posts which people said they won't be buying the game, I just want to see how many people would actually go through with their statements.

now ppl can say "ok i wont buy it" just to be cool fit in and feel good about themselves beacuse they go their way. but how long is it gonna take? 1 month or 1 year? blizzard knows that they will eventually just give up and guy the game, it will improve by time and i bet 90% of ppl who say this will just wait for a few patches and bnet to get alittle sharper then buy the game anyway
Progamerpls no copy pasterino
jtgizmo
Profile Joined April 2010
Congo161 Posts
June 08 2010 10:38 GMT
#11
this thread is slightly silly, 90% of those who go - im not going to buy, will end up buying the game anyway. so whole poll for this topic is mute.
De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
June 08 2010 10:38 GMT
#12
Buy, just give it terrible ratings for bnet 2.0.
GANDHISAUCE
Onlinejaguar
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia2823 Posts
June 08 2010 10:39 GMT
#13
I will still be buying it.
dew
Profile Joined March 2010
United States59 Posts
June 08 2010 10:39 GMT
#14
Buy, of course, but I will support the piracy movement against them. All it takes is for one group to release a makeshift-LAN patch, and then Blizzard will have no reason to hold out against implementing it in the game.
Polis
Profile Joined January 2005
Poland1292 Posts
June 08 2010 10:41 GMT
#15
On June 08 2010 19:27 shawabawa wrote:
Bnet has screwed up a little bit, but after trying out wc3 custom games yesterday I have to say I absolutely love the new custom game browser in comparison. I can't believe people want to go back to the shitty wc3 system where games appear randomly on your list and joining with friends is nearly impossible.


What are you talking about? If you want to play with your friends then create the game yourself. How is the new system better for that?
TuElite
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada2123 Posts
June 08 2010 10:47 GMT
#16
I want to boycott it because of all the bullshit Blizzard pulled off and his getting away with...

But... I want to play the game you know... So yeah, I know I will end up buying it.
Always Smile - Jung Nicole - Follow Nicole on Twitter @_911007 and me @TuElite
arew
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Lithuania1861 Posts
June 08 2010 10:47 GMT
#17
I'll buy it.
750/750 emotions fully stacked
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
June 08 2010 10:48 GMT
#18
come on, we already had a thread like this and it got closed. So should this one
beep boop
wintergt
Profile Joined February 2010
Belgium1335 Posts
June 08 2010 10:48 GMT
#19
lol boycot..
here i am
Polis
Profile Joined January 2005
Poland1292 Posts
June 08 2010 10:53 GMT
#20
Why not have buy/not buy as an options? Anyway didn't we had enough of those polls already?
Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany2959 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-08 10:58:14
June 08 2010 10:54 GMT
#21
Gonna buy it.

The BNet2.0 bugs will be fixed and the issues like no chat channels etc. well we'll see about them. They're no deal breaker for me though and I trust Blizzard to improve the BNet by quit a lot as time goes.
People also seem to forget that BNet2.0 has some pretty awesome features as the party building which just makes things so much easier. The interface overall is really cool.

The non existing Lan is alright as I think it is the best valid anti piracy method.

The game itself is pretty flawless and the campaign looks very promising.
I see no reason why I shouldn't buy this game.

Oh and it's in my opinion pretty pathetic to give it 1 star ratings on amazon as practical none of the casual customers care much about the current cross server restrictions.

Edit:
And I also think that everyone who promotes piracy like e.g. torrenting the game should be banned from TL. I've seen quite a lot people do so in this one huge anti-Blizzard thread and am pretty shocked with the TL staff being just fine with it. Cannot believe such is tolerated here.
WrathBringerReturns said: No no no. Sarcasm is detected in the voice. When this forum is riddled with stupidity, you think I can tell every post apart? Fair enough it was intended sarcastically, was it obvious? Of course not.
Kantutan
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1319 Posts
June 08 2010 10:56 GMT
#22
How is boycotting SC2 even possible? For the few thousand who actually decide not to buy it, there will be millions upon millions who do...
Garrl
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Scotland1972 Posts
June 08 2010 10:56 GMT
#23
On June 08 2010 19:47 TuElite wrote:
I want to boycott it because of all the bullshit Blizzard pulled off and his getting away with...

But... I want to play the game you know... So yeah, I know I will end up buying it.


Pretty much the reason why games companies don't take their fans seriously. ;;
Wonderballs
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada253 Posts
June 08 2010 11:00 GMT
#24
On June 08 2010 19:38 jtgizmo wrote:
this thread is slightly silly, 90% of those who go - im not going to buy, will end up buying the game anyway. so whole poll for this topic is mute.


I think you mean moot

not to be ANAL or anything.
I thought Jesus would come back before Starcraft 2.
blae000
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway1640 Posts
June 08 2010 11:02 GMT
#25
I will buy the game, and no LAN isn't that big of a deal. But if i could choose I would want them to put LAN back in. It is other things I would prefer them to changed instead of LAN. But still..

There is alot of signs on the petitiononline site. Have the link been posted at the blizzard forums or something, so blizzard can see it to?
Liquid
Lighioana
Profile Joined March 2010
Norway466 Posts
June 08 2010 11:04 GMT
#26
3rd option: I don't know. Why do people never add this? Things are never black&white.
And forgive me nothing for I truly meant it all
Polis
Profile Joined January 2005
Poland1292 Posts
June 08 2010 11:04 GMT
#27
On June 08 2010 19:54 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote:
Gonna buy it.

The BNet2.0 bugs will be fixed and the issues like no chat channels etc. well we'll see about them. They're no deal breaker for me though and I trust Blizzard to improve the BNet by quit a lot as time goes.
People also seem to forget that BNet2.0 has some pretty awesome features as the party building which just makes things so much easier. The interface overall is really cool.


Joined TL.net Monday, 29th of March 2010

Or maybe you just don't know how i worked in BN 1.0? Now describe what this awesome feature allows you to do, and how it workst, and we compare it to the BN 1.0 way, kk?
VladCepesh
Profile Joined June 2010
Serbia12 Posts
June 08 2010 11:05 GMT
#28
On June 08 2010 19:41 Polis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2010 19:27 shawabawa wrote:
Bnet has screwed up a little bit, but after trying out wc3 custom games yesterday I have to say I absolutely love the new custom game browser in comparison. I can't believe people want to go back to the shitty wc3 system where games appear randomly on your list and joining with friends is nearly impossible.


What are you talking about? If you want to play with your friends then create the game yourself. How is the new system better for that?


Please refer yourself to husky's explanation on youtube if you want to know why bnet 0.2 and general state of things. It explains a good lot.



And by my personal opinion if we as gamers let this fly, it will only become worse. Each game will be a step back then the last one.
"A well placed grunt is better than thousand words."
Kim_Hyun_Han
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
706 Posts
June 08 2010 11:06 GMT
#29
I'm gonna buycott it
Chillsen
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany98 Posts
June 08 2010 11:06 GMT
#30
The only thing i'm boycotting is the price.
55 € on some sites and places, i'm willing to pay 40€ not a penny more
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
tehswarmerer
Profile Joined February 2009
United States14 Posts
June 08 2010 11:07 GMT
#31
the real title of this thread should actually be "Will you buy this game atleast 3 times (or even more if you want to play with people from other countries) and also pay a monthly fee for bnet 2.0 although ICCUP is better lol?

Blizzard is a business first, a video game company second. They want your monies and want to appeal to as many and as wide of demographics as possible. Not only will this game suck but it will kill brood war.


fuck
fortehswarm
Talic_Zealot
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
688 Posts
June 08 2010 11:07 GMT
#32
There should be a rating system for new threads and an automatic thread closure if it goes below 40% positive..
There are three types of people in the universe: those who can count, and those who cant.
FreeDoM[YA]
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Canada855 Posts
June 08 2010 11:08 GMT
#33
Even though I'm angry at Activision Blizzard for their fail LAN support, I know I'm going to end up buying the game anyway.....

Blizzard-1
FreeDoM-0
Batch
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden692 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-08 11:13:17
June 08 2010 11:12 GMT
#34
I will buy it. Don't know why there is so much crying?

Here comes some thoughts from a player which didn't play SC to any greater extent:

Graphics - Great. Not to much eye candy but still enough to make the game pleasant to watch.
Gameplay - Good diversity between the races. Some mechanics added like multiple building selection which removes some of the APM intensive elements but I think this is a good thing.
Balance - The balance is pretty good already. I never played SC when it was released but my guess is that SC2 is more balanced now in the beta than SC was a year after the release.
Skill cap - Even with som mechanics removes I don't see anyone will be playing the game with perfection in the future. There is many elements which the proos can train on and get better at.
Spectator friendly - Blizzard has added a lot of things like unit counts which makes the game more spectator friendly. Sure, they could add an option where several persons synchroniously could watch the same repley in some way and that will probably be done after the release.
LAN - Ok, no LAN. Maybe I'm ignorant but why do we need to have LAN other than for the reason to pirate the game to be able to play with friends? My guess is that the latency to the closest servers at bigger live tournaments will be neglectable.
Cross realm play - At the moment it looks like there will be no such thing, and this is bad. I think they should add the possiblility to do cross realm play even if the latency will be horrible. When I was a CS player back in the days nearly no games where playded across the atlantic, but the possibility existed.
Chat rooms - The absence of chat rooms is what I think is the worst thing with Bnet 2.0. This is such a small thing that will add a great amonth to the SC2 community feeling. Not having chat rooms is a real blunder but is it enough to boycot the game?
Go0g3n
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Russian Federation410 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-08 11:21:38
June 08 2010 11:12 GMT
#35
There are Four major flaws in the game experience, Blizzard has to cover 2/4 to have my $60:

1. LAN
2. Cross-Realm play
3. Chat channels as they used to be
4. Custom Game Selection w/ Names and proper filters


If Blizzard wants my $40-60 for the first expansion, they only have to do one thing:

Keep their promise on adding custom-created maps and their timely modifications to the Ladder Map Pool.

That's about it.
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
June 08 2010 11:13 GMT
#36
i won't be buying it...simply cause i can't afford it... =S
Trux
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia12 Posts
June 08 2010 11:16 GMT
#37
I rather enjoyed playing the beta, but their current stance on a lot of things Bnet 2.0 and sales-related are things I just outright don't agree with. For now and on release it's a boycott, with the possibility of buying if things improve.
No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride.
endGame
Profile Joined June 2009
United States394 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-08 11:19:00
June 08 2010 11:16 GMT
#38
On June 08 2010 20:04 Lighioana wrote:
3rd option: I don't know. Why do people never add this? Things are never black&white.


Because either you buy it, or you don't. An "I don't know" is merely a gauge of those who didn't take part in the poll which can be gauged by comparing the poll to the size of the community to which it's addressed. I'm with you in spirit though, I understand that there is no way one can have a definite and absolute understanding of the situation. I can see why they don't implement LAN. Their way of reasoning cross-realm play is grounded in the poor design of Battle.net 2.0, which is a choice of theirs to consume a good chunk of their "community good will" to turn a profit. Unfortunately for Blizzard executives, I don't think their quite aware of how much they've been shitting on their gaming communities since the Activision-Blizzard merger. And, sorry for the "explanation-turned-rage" post

Edit: Also as a side note, I'm buying the game just because I want to play Starcraft 2. Guess my principles aren't that strong eh? -.-
"...As the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they will and the weak suffer what they must." -Thucydides
RisingTide
Profile Joined December 2008
Australia769 Posts
June 08 2010 11:18 GMT
#39
You know what. I'm going to buy the game. I've been waiting almost a decade for it, so as much as I'd like to man up and deny Blizzard the cost of one game, I'm not going to. But I'm sad.I'm sad because I know that that aura of professionalism that every single other Blizzard game has ever had is fading. They are still going to sell a ridiculous number of copies of this game because they have a fanbase that will buy it on faith. But that faith isn't going to be there much longer. This once great company isn't dieing gloriously, but slowly, painfully, as the fans who've bought wc2, sc, diablo I&II, wc3 and wow begin to leave it, because things aren't the same anymore.
Go0g3n
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Russian Federation410 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-08 11:20:15
June 08 2010 11:18 GMT
#40
By the looks of it Blizzard already managed to lose 20% of potential buyers, probably a lot more in Korea and China with ~18-21 ratings and the whole KeSPA thing, - good start.
meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
June 08 2010 11:18 GMT
#41
I will still buy it, but not immediately after release.
Brood War loyalist
Reno(TE)
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom434 Posts
June 08 2010 11:20 GMT
#42
Everyone who reads this website will inevitably buy it.
A pro isnt someone who sacrifices themselves for their job, thats just a fool.
roemy
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany432 Posts
June 08 2010 11:20 GMT
#43
i clicked "boycot" as that would be the less moderate version of

"humm no... i'm not comfortable with b.net 2.0 - sc2 is good but not that good.
definately not worth the 3x 55€ eventually cost, despite expansions being little more than a bunch of UMS/custom maps.
i've waited 12 year - i can wait 1-2 years more for a cheaper bundle and (not or) until b.net has improved drastically"
rock is fine.. paper could need a buff, but scissors have to be nerfed
craz3d
Profile Joined August 2005
Bulgaria856 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-08 11:24:41
June 08 2010 11:22 GMT
#44
I might buy the 3rd game if I'm still into gaming when it comes out.

Unless games 2 and 3 are expansions? In which case, blizzard can suck my dick.
Hello World!
Polis
Profile Joined January 2005
Poland1292 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-08 11:31:56
June 08 2010 11:26 GMT
#45
On June 08 2010 20:12 Batch wrote:
I will buy it. Don't know why there is so much crying?

Here comes some thoughts from a player which didn't play SC to any greater extent:

Graphics - Great. Not to much eye candy but still enough to make the game pleasant to watch.


I have some problem there personally, the damn unit health/mana bar cover way to much, often I can almost only see the clumping of health bars. People should not have to choose between having huge advantage, or not making the game look bad, that is bad design imo.
kar1181
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom515 Posts
June 08 2010 11:30 GMT
#46
I'll buy it no question.

Bnet 2.0 sucks as it stands, but the game itself is damn good.
ghosthunter
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States414 Posts
June 08 2010 11:32 GMT
#47
Petitions are useless, this poll being remade is useless. In short, this post contributed nothing to the discussion, especially with it's biased OP.

Grats for beating a dead horse though
roemy
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany432 Posts
June 08 2010 11:34 GMT
#48
humm i upgraded my GFX just recently: previously, i played with all-low settings, ~20-25 frames and fared (a lot) better than i do now with high settings/resolution.

so.. this might become my quake3arena where i switch settings to low when playing "competitively", putting quite a dent into the graphics argument.
rock is fine.. paper could need a buff, but scissors have to be nerfed
DanceDance
Profile Joined November 2008
226 Posts
June 08 2010 11:36 GMT
#49
On June 08 2010 19:34 MorroW wrote:
to be honest i dont see LAN being that important as many say.


I was watching the Razor League Finals and DeMuslim was playing. One of the observers was laging, they couldn't find out who it was and they had to literally remake 15 minuets into the game.
JohnColtrane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Australia4813 Posts
June 08 2010 11:40 GMT
#50
didnt really like it much so i probably wont buy it, but i dont know if that counts as boycotting lol. i certainly dont want sc2 to impact upon the bw proscene though
HEY MEYT
royal.cze
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada287 Posts
June 08 2010 11:41 GMT
#51
obviously buy...
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10305 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-08 11:44:37
June 08 2010 11:43 GMT
#52
I find it really hard to believe the people who voted yes tbh...

edit: Yes = boycott
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
Archduke
Profile Joined May 2010
United States119 Posts
June 08 2010 11:43 GMT
#53
Boycott? Because of the things that are wrong with B.net 2.0? Why? Think very hard about how this will affect your ability to enjoy the game. Also, think about WoW at release. Then think about WoW right now. Blizzard will change the game to suit the players' needs.

tl;dr If you like the game, buy it. B.net 2.0 will get changed.
"Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines."
kcdc
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2311 Posts
June 08 2010 11:44 GMT
#54
This anti-Blizz crap is crazy. (1) You'll all buy it. It's a great game. (2) Are you really surprised that a game company wants to make money by selling games and associated products? They make great games in order to make profit. This is how business works. Companies that don't make profit can't invest the kind of resources it takes to make a game like SC2.
Go0g3n
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Russian Federation410 Posts
June 08 2010 11:47 GMT
#55
On June 08 2010 20:43 Archduke wrote:
Boycott? Because of the things that are wrong with B.net 2.0? Why? Think very hard about how this will affect your ability to enjoy the game. Also, think about WoW at release. Then think about WoW right now. Blizzard will change the game to suit the players' needs.

tl;dr If you like the game, buy it. B.net 2.0 will get changed.


You kiddin? It took Blizzard 3-4 months to sort most of the bugs in WoW, from that point they were making the game steadily worse with their expanding 'Raids for the sake of raids for the sake of raids" concept.
Batch
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden692 Posts
June 08 2010 11:47 GMT
#56
On June 08 2010 20:36 DanceDance wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2010 19:34 MorroW wrote:
to be honest i dont see LAN being that important as many say.


I was watching the Razor League Finals and DeMuslim was playing. One of the observers was laging, they couldn't find out who it was and they had to literally remake 15 minuets into the game.

This could happen in a LAN game aswell. An easy solution is to not allow observers with bad connections or crappy hardware from observing the game. This should however be fixed in the net code of SC2 where observers should be permited to lag without it affecting the game.
ProoM
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Lithuania1741 Posts
June 08 2010 11:48 GMT
#57
Can... can I do both? Please?!
IMBA - International Mountain Bicycling Association.
thisFish
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany42 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-08 11:52:13
June 08 2010 11:50 GMT
#58
xD what an option... boycott....
blizzard is a great company and im sure bnet wont stay as bugged as it is or was... i mean... cmon its a beta...
i'll definitely buy the game simply because its awesome and not because of bnet
"Stick a fork in those buns!"
Polis
Profile Joined January 2005
Poland1292 Posts
June 08 2010 12:39 GMT
#59
On June 08 2010 20:44 kcdc wrote:
This anti-Blizz crap is crazy. (1) You'll all buy it. It's a great game. (2) Are you really surprised that a game company wants to make money by selling games and associated products? They make great games in order to make profit. This is how business works. Companies that don't make profit can't invest the kind of resources it takes to make a game like SC2.


That is complete bs, they games with LAN did sell great, they didn't had to do it so stop making stuff up. You probably think that WOW would bankrupt if they wouldn't sell 25$ virtual horses right? Your main priority is to either make as good craft as you can, and money is necessery inconvenience, or it is the other way around.

I am also not buying the game so stop projecting, kk?
DorF
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden961 Posts
June 08 2010 12:43 GMT
#60
I'm fine with BW besides I don't like anything about starcraft2 so I'll boycott I guess :p
BW for life !
L0n3W0olf
Profile Joined April 2010
Slovenia34 Posts
June 08 2010 12:50 GMT
#61
Buy it, because it's a great, no, EPIC game. Although I'm not too keen on b.net 2.0, atleast it's better than the DRM crap everyone wants to force on us.
killercheebo
Profile Joined November 2009
Korea (North)46 Posts
June 08 2010 12:52 GMT
#62
On June 08 2010 20:43 Archduke wrote:
Boycott? Because of the things that are wrong with B.net 2.0? Why? Think very hard about how this will affect your ability to enjoy the game. Also, think about WoW at release. Then think about WoW right now. Blizzard will change the game to suit the players' needs.

tl;dr If you like the game, buy it. B.net 2.0 will get changed.


thing is, b.net 2.0 will NOT be changed. only thing that will change is theyll add small chat (which is worse than 1.0's). no cross server. no lan. no watch replay with friends. theyll charge money for premium maps and extra money for all these services, etc.
NORTH KOREA PWNS AT SC
RoyalCheese
Profile Joined May 2010
Czech Republic745 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-08 12:59:52
June 08 2010 12:57 GMT
#63
I am going to buy the game, because its so awesome. I hope they will implement chat functionality though because im new to the starcraft community and i would love to find some sc2 friends coz my irl friends are too much of an pussies to not play HoN all the time ^.^. Besides, Day[9] said they will fix bnet2, so i trust him

abit about charging for maps...i mean, who cares really? it will just give us great-quality maps for like...$1? i think its a good thing
Kennigit: "Chill was once able to retire really young, but decided to donate his entire salary TO SUPPORT ESPORTS"
khellian
Profile Joined February 2010
Korea (South)922 Posts
June 08 2010 12:58 GMT
#64
WTF lol, why boycott!?

If we think longterm, Blizzard will give the players what they need since it's in their interest that the game is a huge success and continues to be played for a long time. I have no doubt they will get it right eventually.
LittLeD
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden7973 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-08 13:03:21
June 08 2010 13:02 GMT
#65
On June 08 2010 19:27 shawabawa wrote:
Bnet has screwed up a little bit, but after trying out wc3 custom games yesterday I have to say I absolutely love the new custom game browser in comparison. I can't believe people want to go back to the shitty wc3 system where games appear randomly on your list and joining with friends is nearly impossible.

They need to add LAN/non-bnet hosting and it will be awesome. I'm not really going to miss chat rooms. No cross realms really does suck too, hopefully they'll change that at some point.


SC2 is still by far the best game released in several years, definitely going to buy it.


Weirdest post I've ever seen. There was nothing wrong with the Wc3 Custom game system, its rather the SC2 system that's failing cuz you simply cant name your games and that way make people understand what mode/gametype ur choosing as Husky explained. And considering playing with your friends in the Wc3 custom games. Just add them to friend list and you will see the game they joined, then type in the same name into the bar and join the game? What is your problem seriously.

On topic: I will wait with buying the game until they fix the Bnet. In the mean time ill just stick to Wc3
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iamho
Profile Joined June 2009
United States3347 Posts
June 08 2010 13:03 GMT
#66
im not going to "boycott" the game for bnet 2.0 or anything, i'm just not going to buy it because its a mediocre game not worth $180 of my money.
killercheebo
Profile Joined November 2009
Korea (North)46 Posts
June 08 2010 13:08 GMT
#67
On June 08 2010 21:58 khellian wrote:
WTF lol, why boycott!?

If we think longterm, Blizzard will give the players what they need since it's in their interest that the game is a huge success and continues to be played for a long time. I have no doubt they will get it right eventually.


i know whats going to happen long term

what these fools are doing is to take advantage of SC1's reputation and fanbase to maximize their profit for wings of liberty, and it is a mistake. they will lose fanbase and money in the long term, and they probably wont realize it until their sales on next 2 expansions go down, and lot of people start pirating the game. too bad blizzard is going to kill their successful SC franchise, and there wont be an SC3.
NORTH KOREA PWNS AT SC
Nafaltar
Profile Joined May 2008
Germany302 Posts
June 08 2010 13:09 GMT
#68
SC2 itself is amazing so I will definitely buy it, however if the lack of certain features in B-Net 2.0 persists I will probably stop auto-buying blizzard games. I mean I am not an MMO type of player, but because WoW was Blizzard made I went and gave it a try anyway. It just always felt to me like Blizzard had this community thing going on and now they are trying to hard and this community feeling of playing Blizzard games might get lost.
Spawkuring
Profile Joined July 2008
United States755 Posts
June 08 2010 13:09 GMT
#69
Boycotting is utterly pointless if you don't have a massive nation-wide movement for it. Blizzard certainly isn't going to budge financially because of a few people refusing to buy something, especially since gamers are notorious for caving in and buying it anyway. If the polls were 99% in favor of boycott, then you might have shaken the corporates a bit, but this is absolutely nothing.

Not gonna boycott. No point in doing so.
Takkara
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2503 Posts
June 08 2010 13:14 GMT
#70
Assuming they didn't even ship 1v1 with SC2 it's still worth the price. Have you seen these UMS maps? This game will have amazing longevity if for no other reason than because of the amazing depth of the UMS map editor. You will play entire games inside of SC2. Not DotA. It will make DotA look like some noobies first map in the WC3 editor. You'll play amazing games of amazing depth.

Then you factor in:
- a really deep and potentially challenging single-player.
- a really well developed match-making system
- solid gameplay and commitment to work on balance

Balance that against
- no LAN
- no cross-region
- no public chat channels
- no public replays

And you still come out overwhelmingly ahead in terms of value gained for your money. Figure a movie costs what about 10 bucks for 2 hours. So we can roughly price enjoyment at $5/hr. Are you really saying that you cannot get 12 hours of enjoyment out of Wings of Liberty? Really?

Let's times that by 5. You're paying $1/hr for fun, for 60 hours of fun. You still think you can't get 60 hours of fun out of Wings of Liberty?!

Let's try $.25/hr. So 240 hours of fun out of Wings of Liberty. 10 days played worth of fun. You'll collect that in no more than a year, easily. You think you can't get that out of Wings of Libery?!

You're lying to yourself if you say that. You can get that out of the UMS maps alone. Even with a shitty 1v1 system. Even if SC2 fails as an esport. You can get that much fun out of the game. And therefore only have to pay $.25/hr for your fun. It's awfully hard to find things to do with your time that are cheaper.
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SiNiquity
Profile Joined April 2010
United States734 Posts
June 08 2010 13:20 GMT
#71
Buying, but only because I got 25% off for preordering through Gamestop. Given the lack of price budging on Blizzard games I don't think I'd get a better deal.

But absolutely agree with the posters here -- Blizzard's off the auto-buy list.
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-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
June 08 2010 13:22 GMT
#72
Seriously people there are better things to boycott then a game or a game company. It is not like they are killing people like Nestle (google it). If you want to boycott something, boycott them or many companies that abuse cheap workers from poor countries. At least Blizzard and Activision pay their programmers well.
soverRR
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden348 Posts
June 08 2010 13:24 GMT
#73
I'm still undecided. It pisses me off something enormous when I think about the direction that blizzard is taking, but it is a very fun game and I accidentally happen to belong to the group of gamers that isn't extremely affected by any of it. Chat channels or not, cross-region or not, LAN support or not, I'd still generally only be playing with my IRL friends since I'm lucky enough to a bunch of those who is of diamond quality.

So I'm not very affected by it, although the desolation and difficulty to make new friends is very infuriating. Even so, I still consider boycotting it while thinking about what complete douchebags blizzard is being.

We'll see when push comes to shove, I won't pre-order it anyway.
killercheebo
Profile Joined November 2009
Korea (North)46 Posts
June 08 2010 13:26 GMT
#74
On June 08 2010 22:14 Takkara wrote:
Assuming they didn't even ship 1v1 with SC2 it's still worth the price. Have you seen these UMS maps? This game will have amazing longevity if for no other reason than because of the amazing depth of the UMS map editor. You will play entire games inside of SC2. Not DotA. It will make DotA look like some noobies first map in the WC3 editor. You'll play amazing games of amazing depth.

Then you factor in:
- a really deep and potentially challenging single-player.
- a really well developed match-making system
- solid gameplay and commitment to work on balance

Balance that against
- no LAN
- no cross-region
- no public chat channels
- no public replays

And you still come out overwhelmingly ahead in terms of value gained for your money. Figure a movie costs what about 10 bucks for 2 hours. So we can roughly price enjoyment at $5/hr. Are you really saying that you cannot get 12 hours of enjoyment out of Wings of Liberty? Really?

Let's times that by 5. You're paying $1/hr for fun, for 60 hours of fun. You still think you can't get 60 hours of fun out of Wings of Liberty?!

Let's try $.25/hr. So 240 hours of fun out of Wings of Liberty. 10 days played worth of fun. You'll collect that in no more than a year, easily. You think you can't get that out of Wings of Libery?!

You're lying to yourself if you say that. You can get that out of the UMS maps alone. Even with a shitty 1v1 system. Even if SC2 fails as an esport. You can get that much fun out of the game. And therefore only have to pay $.25/hr for your fun. It's awfully hard to find things to do with your time that are cheaper.


thing is, according to their EULA and terms of service, blizz has every intellectual right to take those great "UMS" maps and charge people money every time they download it
NORTH KOREA PWNS AT SC
niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5281 Posts
June 08 2010 13:27 GMT
#75
If I hadn't played the beta, I wouldn't even consider not buying it, but now it's a reasonable option coz I have played the sequel of the holy game and I can die in peace. Plus I'd end up saving a shitload of money when you add the expansions.
Kruxt
Profile Joined April 2010
United States113 Posts
June 08 2010 13:27 GMT
#76
To the people who will not purchase "Boycott" Starcraft 2.... What are you thinking? The gameplay itself is awesome. Battle.Net 2.0 has its issues, but theres always hoping they come to their senses...
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ROOTdrewbie
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1392 Posts
June 08 2010 13:27 GMT
#77
if you don't buy sc2 then you are crazy ! ;(
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Spawkuring
Profile Joined July 2008
United States755 Posts
June 08 2010 13:30 GMT
#78
On June 08 2010 22:26 killercheebo wrote:
thing is, according to their EULA and terms of service, blizz has every intellectual right to take those great "UMS" maps and charge people money every time they download it


They also have the EULA right to ban you at anytime. Doesn't mean that they will actually do it though. The bad press would make such an action have large consequences for Blizzard. Very few EULAs are used down to the letter. For the most part they are just legal safeguards.
Illison
Profile Joined May 2010
United States48 Posts
June 08 2010 13:31 GMT
#79
I would probably buy the game regardless of whether there was multiplayer or not. I do want to see how the protoss(right, they are the last expansion?) comes out on top of this one.
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
June 08 2010 13:32 GMT
#80
I won't buy. Bnet is bad and i don't think it will get better and SC2 late game is a joke.
First ten minutes of the games are quite fun though.
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
VIB
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Brazil3567 Posts
June 08 2010 13:33 GMT
#81
Hey, just out of curiosity. Out of all of you who say you still "trust" on blizzard's ability of delivering a good game and fixing all the existing issues (bugs, balance, lack of lan etc). Have any of you actually played WoW?

Because it seems to me that most of the people who know Blizzard from BW/diablo only have some really high hopes that they're still great. While people who know Blizzard from WoW seem to be pretty certain that they won't fix anything. But they'll play anyway for the same reason they play wow: there's just anything else to do.

Or at least that's the impression I get talking to friends from both games. Or am I wrong?

Personally, I'm 100% sure that there will always be many eye-glaring bugs and balance issues on sc2 that will last forever. I'm not buying the game, but I had decided that long before the beta. I'll just watch vods instead of playing just like I do for bw.
Great people talk about ideas. Average people talk about things. Small people talk about other people.
BluzMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Russian Federation4235 Posts
June 08 2010 13:34 GMT
#82
I can buy and boycott at the same time. The deal in Russia is buy for a small price and after a year of multiplayer buy more to extend b.net subscription. It's definetely worth it's 20$ to go through single. I can boycott it later =))
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maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5558 Posts
June 08 2010 13:36 GMT
#83
On June 08 2010 20:44 kcdc wrote:
This anti-Blizz crap is crazy. (1) You'll all buy it. It's a great game. (2) Are you really surprised that a game company wants to make money by selling games and associated products? They make great games in order to make profit. This is how business works. Companies that don't make profit can't invest the kind of resources it takes to make a game like SC2.


(1) Stop fucking telling me what I'm going to do (all of you). I won't buy it. (2) SC2 is good but there are several major issues preventing it from being great gameplay wise, imo. BNet 2 is horrible and was supposed to be an improvement. I'd rate the overall experience as 3-4 out of 10. Add to that what Blizzard has been doing to the BW esports scene lately and how they fail to even listen to us.

They do not make good games anymore. They can't ride on their past reputation forever. As it stands, BNet 2 sucks.

What surprises me is not that they want to make money off of SC2. It's the fact that they deliberately want to release a subpar product to make a bigger profit. That's not Blizzard as we know them.
Spawkuring
Profile Joined July 2008
United States755 Posts
June 08 2010 13:40 GMT
#84
On June 08 2010 22:33 VIB wrote:
Hey, just out of curiosity. Out of all of you who say you still "trust" on blizzard's ability of delivering a good game and fixing all the existing issues (bugs, balance, lack of lan etc). Have any of you actually played WoW?

Because it seems to me that most of the people who know Blizzard from BW/diablo only have some really high hopes that they're still great. While people who know Blizzard from WoW seem to be pretty certain that they won't fix anything. But they'll play anyway for the same reason they play wow: there's just anything else to do.

Or at least that's the impression I get talking to friends from both games. Or am I wrong?

Personally, I'm 100% sure that there will always be many eye-glaring bugs and balance issues on sc2 that will last forever. I'm not buying the game, but I had decided that long before the beta. I'll just watch vods instead of playing just like I do for bw.


I've played WoW, and still mostly trust Blizzard. The vast majority of the WoW-hate is just bandwagon jumping. The game certainly has flaws, but at no point in its lifespan has it ever deserved even a fraction of the hate it gets. I honestly find most WoW-haters downright childish.
killercheebo
Profile Joined November 2009
Korea (North)46 Posts
June 08 2010 13:43 GMT
#85
On June 08 2010 22:30 Spawkuring wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2010 22:26 killercheebo wrote:
thing is, according to their EULA and terms of service, blizz has every intellectual right to take those great "UMS" maps and charge people money every time they download it


They also have the EULA right to ban you at anytime. Doesn't mean that they will actually do it though. The bad press would make such an action have large consequences for Blizzard. Very few EULAs are used down to the letter. For the most part they are just legal safeguards.


if uve been paying attention, u'd probably have realized they said they are considering monetizing player-created custom maps
NORTH KOREA PWNS AT SC
Spawkuring
Profile Joined July 2008
United States755 Posts
June 08 2010 13:45 GMT
#86
On June 08 2010 22:43 killercheebo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2010 22:30 Spawkuring wrote:
On June 08 2010 22:26 killercheebo wrote:
thing is, according to their EULA and terms of service, blizz has every intellectual right to take those great "UMS" maps and charge people money every time they download it


They also have the EULA right to ban you at anytime. Doesn't mean that they will actually do it though. The bad press would make such an action have large consequences for Blizzard. Very few EULAs are used down to the letter. For the most part they are just legal safeguards.


if uve been paying attention, u'd probably have realized they said they are considering monetizing player-created custom maps


And they said that it will be through a marketplace at the player's consent.
TheMute
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States458 Posts
June 08 2010 13:45 GMT
#87
What I loved about BNET 1.0 was that my friends and I would just hop on iccup, get in the same chatroom, mingle a bit, start some game either teamsies or has observers, and then after the game mingle some more. Not having chatrooms would negatively change my game experience. It's not all about playing the game. Talking to a bunch of people (friends) is a part of it as well. Not having that is a BIG deal. And not being able to play against my European friends makes me go... ehhhhh... and having no LAN makes me go bleeeehhhh.

I'll wait for when they fix 2.0 up.
Friends are simply people you can do/say vulgar things to.
TheNomad
Profile Joined April 2010
United States134 Posts
June 08 2010 13:47 GMT
#88
Honestly, I think the majority of people will buy it. Yes the game has it's problems (what new game in beta doesn't?!??!) I know PLENTY of other games that are MUCH worse off even AFTER release. Starcraft 2 is an amazing game. Things like Bnet 2.0, User interface, balance, etc... can all be adjusted, changed, or fixed in the future. Blizzard has always been a great company and they know what the user wants, just because a few people bitch and complain doesn't mean they will change it right away. Things will get better, honestly think about it. I am a VERY competitive RTS player and I was rank 1 Plat(when it was top) and rank 1 diamond basically all of beta. The game is developing and moving forward very quickly but even then, if all else fails, I STILL love the UMS maps which I was playing the last few days of beta which are already badass.
DeCoup
Profile Joined September 2006
Australia1933 Posts
June 08 2010 13:47 GMT
#89
I'd love to know how many of the boycott voters have the game preordered. I'm guessing at least 1/4 of them. I'd also bet that at least half of them do intend to buy the game.
"Poor guy. I really did not deserve that win. So this is what it's like to play Protoss..." - IdrA
Garaman
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States556 Posts
June 08 2010 13:49 GMT
#90
On June 08 2010 19:37 MorroW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2010 19:35 killercheebo wrote:
On June 08 2010 19:33 Brad wrote:
The term boycott is so ridiculous, it's such a petulant stance.


There are many people who are being turned away from SC2 and won't be buying the game. I myself included. Therefore, term boycott is the strongest and most effective way to describe this.

Since I read many posts which people said they won't be buying the game, I just want to see how many people would actually go through with their statements.

now ppl can say "ok i wont buy it" just to be cool fit in and feel good about themselves beacuse they go their way. but how long is it gonna take? 1 month or 1 year? blizzard knows that they will eventually just give up and guy the game, it will improve by time and i bet 90% of ppl who say this will just wait for a few patches and bnet to get alittle sharper then buy the game anyway


nope. i am officially turned off for good on sc2.
you are just conjecturing the game will improve, or they will fix bnet 0.2 but thats just wishful thinking.
blizzard lost my vote of confidence and i am done with their products after being an avid supporter from warcraft 2 up till warcraft 3.

you are just a blind supporter to a greedy corporation.
DarKFoRcE
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany1215 Posts
June 08 2010 13:50 GMT
#91
On June 08 2010 19:37 killercheebo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2010 19:34 DarKFoRcE wrote:
The gameplay is good, so i'll buy it. I have hopes that bnet 2.0 will improve in the future.


and that is how activision is misleading you. they are exploiting SC1 and blizzard's past good reputation into making fans believe that they will improve bnet 0.2, when in fact they won't. After enough units have been sold and money have been squeezed out of SC2, they will simply stop caring


Maybe thats the case, maybe not, you have no definite proof that that's how it is going to happen. Im sure that i will have lots of fun with SC2 despite the crappy bnet, so i will buy the game.
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Spawkuring
Profile Joined July 2008
United States755 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-08 13:52:00
June 08 2010 13:51 GMT
#92
On June 08 2010 22:49 Garaman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2010 19:37 MorroW wrote:
On June 08 2010 19:35 killercheebo wrote:
On June 08 2010 19:33 Brad wrote:
The term boycott is so ridiculous, it's such a petulant stance.


There are many people who are being turned away from SC2 and won't be buying the game. I myself included. Therefore, term boycott is the strongest and most effective way to describe this.

Since I read many posts which people said they won't be buying the game, I just want to see how many people would actually go through with their statements.

now ppl can say "ok i wont buy it" just to be cool fit in and feel good about themselves beacuse they go their way. but how long is it gonna take? 1 month or 1 year? blizzard knows that they will eventually just give up and guy the game, it will improve by time and i bet 90% of ppl who say this will just wait for a few patches and bnet to get alittle sharper then buy the game anyway


nope. i am officially turned off for good on sc2.
you are just conjecturing the game will improve, or they will fix bnet 0.2 but thats just wishful thinking.
blizzard lost my vote of confidence and i am done with their products after being an avid supporter from warcraft 2 up till warcraft 3.

you are just a blind supporter to a greedy corporation.


Every single Blizzard game to date, both pre and post Activision, have been heavily supported by patches and improvements to the game. There's nothing implying that SC2 will be any different. It's not baseless conjecture when it's heavily supported by past actions. The burden of proof that they won't improve is primarily in your court.
SkCom
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada229 Posts
June 08 2010 13:52 GMT
#93
are you nuts, you'll buy it just like everyone else
end of thread =o
Garaman
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States556 Posts
June 08 2010 13:53 GMT
#94
On June 08 2010 22:47 TheNomad wrote:
Honestly, I think the majority of people will buy it. Yes the game has it's problems (what new game in beta doesn't?!??!) I know PLENTY of other games that are MUCH worse off even AFTER release. Starcraft 2 is an amazing game. Things like Bnet 2.0, User interface, balance, etc... can all be adjusted, changed, or fixed in the future. Blizzard has always been a great company and they know what the user wants, just because a few people bitch and complain doesn't mean they will change it right away. Things will get better, honestly think about it. I am a VERY competitive RTS player and I was rank 1 Plat(when it was top) and rank 1 diamond basically all of beta. The game is developing and moving forward very quickly but even then, if all else fails, I STILL love the UMS maps which I was playing the last few days of beta which are already badass.


sc2 isnt an amazing game. bw is an amazing game. bnet 2.0 is horrendous, but what incentive does blizzard have to change it when blind fans continue to buy their product (thats all they care for now, sales). you are just hoping for the best that things get better, but blizzard is taking a stance i don't agree with and am done with the franchise.
blizzard is the great company that refuses lan support, can't play singler play offline, limits your map making to 5 or wahtever.. no this is not the blizzard i know or can support.
slowmanrunning
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada285 Posts
June 08 2010 13:53 GMT
#95
STOP MAKING THIS THREAD
I aim to become a hydralisk and then stop posting, cause I don't wanna be a queen...
CROrens
Profile Joined May 2007
Croatia1005 Posts
June 08 2010 13:56 GMT
#96
youre damn right ill buy it, its SC2 for gods sake
There is no problem that cannot be solved by the use of high explosives. - Anonymous ......||......Hyuk fan! \o/
Mylin
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden177 Posts
June 08 2010 13:58 GMT
#97
On June 08 2010 22:33 VIB wrote:
Hey, just out of curiosity. Out of all of you who say you still "trust" on blizzard's ability of delivering a good game and fixing all the existing issues (bugs, balance, lack of lan etc). Have any of you actually played WoW?

Because it seems to me that most of the people who know Blizzard from BW/diablo only have some really high hopes that they're still great. While people who know Blizzard from WoW seem to be pretty certain that they won't fix anything. But they'll play anyway for the same reason they play wow: there's just anything else to do.

Or at least that's the impression I get talking to friends from both games. Or am I wrong?

Personally, I'm 100% sure that there will always be many eye-glaring bugs and balance issues on sc2 that will last forever. I'm not buying the game, but I had decided that long before the beta. I'll just watch vods instead of playing just like I do for bw.


Heh I actually also have this feeling that those of us that played WoW are alot more skeptical towards Blizzard then those who didn't =)
no
mesca
Profile Joined April 2010
Austria46 Posts
June 08 2010 14:00 GMT
#98
On June 08 2010 19:37 killercheebo wrote:
After enough units have been sold and money have been squeezed out of SC2, they will simply stop caring

This is complete bull. Blizzard never stops caring about their games. Diablo 2 got a pach 10 years after its release!
immacolate
Profile Joined February 2009
Serbia199 Posts
June 08 2010 14:01 GMT
#99
On June 08 2010 22:52 SkCom wrote:
are you nuts, you'll buy it just like everyone else
end of thread =o


I will not buy it "like everyone else", you braindead bot. There are people out there with some free will, you know. I respect my money and free time too much to waste them on SC2.
Lobo2me
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway1213 Posts
June 08 2010 14:02 GMT
#100
Preordered CE 2 months ago. It's the expansions I may not bother to get if things get worse.
Bad manners are better than no manners at all.
Templar.
Profile Joined May 2009
Canada133 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-08 14:06:09
June 08 2010 14:02 GMT
#101
Lol, for all those who are saying there going to boycott the game.. do you honestly think blizzard is gonna care about a thousand people boycotting a game that will have millions of sales? Now, i applaud the effort but boycotting will not have an effect what so ever, especially since in a month a year two years, 95% of the "boycott the game" people will have caved and bought the game anyways.

Battle net 2.0 is brand new, obviously it is going to have some major and a lot of minor flaws.. and everyone says "don't feed the corporate pigs with money" blah blah, obviously most people haven't realized the rather lacking quality of games made over the last few years by all companies.. even a lot of the big name games are rather unbalanced or having flaws in them. Be happy that blizzard has dedicated so much time to at least give you a fairly balanced game.
Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11144 Posts
June 08 2010 14:03 GMT
#102
If I don't buy it it won't be as a boycott. I don't like the melee but I'll probably end up buying it for the UMS.
brood war for life, brood war forever
Kerotan
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
England2109 Posts
June 08 2010 14:04 GMT
#103
On June 08 2010 22:47 DeCoup wrote:
I'd love to know how many of the boycott voters have the game preordered. I'm guessing at least 1/4 of them. I'd also bet that at least half of them do intend to buy the game.

I'm boycotting and I don't have it preordered.

I'm not buying until they sort a number of issues out with BNET 2.0, and to all those that say, "you'll buy it anyway."

No really, I'm not going to, and its not going to be difficult either, the money I don't spend on Sc2 can be spent on food instead, or a nice new t-shirt.
I didn't buy modern warfare 2 because of the dedicated server issue, and I won't be buying Sc2.

However, and this is a MASSIVE however, obviously I do intend to buy the game at some point, because the idea of boycotting something you weren't going to buy anyway seems to miss the point.
I want SC2 to succeed, but right now it seems immoral to endorse the game by buying, and make no mistake I will be following the progress of the game closely, and as soon as things take a turn for the better (cross-realm, better BNET in general), I will snap up a copy (perhaps by that time at a reduced price - a odd perk of boycotting) of the game, but until then the purse strings remain tightly bound.
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CrunkOwns
Profile Joined April 2010
United States138 Posts
June 08 2010 14:09 GMT
#104
I sense a common feeling that people think when the game releases, that is it. That is how gameplay and Bnet 2.0 are going to be and the beta was a failure. The reality is that post release is no different than beta. Everything is subject to change and based on precedence I think there's a very good chance that Blizzard will satisfy our wants.
Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. – Seneca the Younger
ZergTurd
Profile Joined June 2010
83 Posts
June 08 2010 14:12 GMT
#105
I bet 95% of the people who voted boycott, won't.
Skvid
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Lithuania751 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-08 14:15:24
June 08 2010 14:15 GMT
#106
On June 08 2010 23:12 ZergTurd wrote:
I bet 95% of the people who voted boycott, won't.

Ofcourse they won't, there should've been a humorous poll option "both"
illu
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada2531 Posts
June 08 2010 14:15 GMT
#107
I'll buy after expansions come out....
:]
Ghad
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway2551 Posts
June 08 2010 14:18 GMT
#108
The mere futility of a very few thousands of hard core gamers boycotting a game that will sell hundreds of thousand if not millions is just mindboggling.

I loved the gameplay, and hence will buy the game.
forgottendreams: One underage girl, two drunk guys, one gogo dancer and starcraft 2. Apparently just another day in Europe.
SoMuchBetter
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia10606 Posts
June 08 2010 14:19 GMT
#109
buying but will probably jump ship to the first functioning cracked servers for my freedom back
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Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4727 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-08 14:23:01
June 08 2010 14:20 GMT
#110
WoW is probably the best supported game ever (which it should be, you pay a lot of money for it). People are blaming their lack of fun playing on Blizzard, in reality they should know that things get kinda repetitive after years of playing. I know that when I play WoW occasionally that it is more of a social activity for me, because I have made so many friends there. 5 years of raiding or 4 years of arena or BGs, seriously, there are only a handful of games in my life that I've played more than a few weeks. It is undeniable that they are milking the cow in WoW and it has become much more casual friendly, but these are not the reasons I don't have that much fun anymore playing it.

Back to SC2, there is a kinda big developer team that has worked on thins game for several years. You know, bad companies don't do that, you can get away with throwing half-ass games onto the market. Activision does not seem to be the nicest mother company, but that surely won't make me not buy the game. The only real issue I see is the lack of chatrooms, and if the communitiy wants them, we will get them in the end. Cross-realm play is only a problem for esports and a fraction of users, and LAN would be nice, but that's not deal-breaking for me either.

People complaining about balance issues now are delusional, it will take time, there is no doubt about that. And besides that, there is also a big single-player campaign coming, which is probably worth the money by itself, at least for me. Videos and story-line and stuff, not starting every match with 6 workers, should be fun too.

I would buy this game blindly, since Blizzard always delivered. If I am disappointed with this product, I simply won't buy the expansions blindly or any new products of them. That's how I always do it. I am not basing my buying-decision on some internet rants.
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
Rabiator
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany3948 Posts
June 08 2010 14:21 GMT
#111
I will not buy the game. When it comes out the only part which interests me and a few friends is the campaign. Maybe we will buy one copy for several people, so we can all play through the campaign, but thats about it I guess; maybe I will wait until the first expansion, when there will be bundles sold for the price of one game, maybe I will even wait for the whole trio of games to be sold for 10€ ...
If you cant say what you're meaning, you can never mean what you're saying.
QibingZero
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
2611 Posts
June 08 2010 14:23 GMT
#112
Pretty easy decision for me, honestly. Not only is the bnet 2.0 / LAN / regional stuff utter failure, but I still enjoy BW a lot more than I did SC2 during any part of beta. Yeah yeah 'it's just beta', but not only is there a lack of any innovation whatsoever in the genre this time (at least WC3 had that...), but they've actually gone backwards as far as competitive play goes.

That leaves the only reasons left for buying to be single player / UMS play, and if I'm truly concerned about that I'm sure I can check out the single player via friends (and see if the UMS are worth the price of admission).

I'll probably consider it again if the game has significantly improved in a year or so. Then again, if the game is going to heavily change yet again a year after that with the next expansion, I don't know. It's cliche to say it, but the post-WoW Blizzard is too greedy for my tastes.
Oh, my eSports
cemlions
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada43 Posts
June 08 2010 14:24 GMT
#113
I don't mind boycotting it, I've played the beta and it is not as good as BW, I have faith the Iccup scene will last because the first game is so good. So as long as I know servers exist where a competetive fun community exists, I will stick with BW.
I knew I wasn't a noob cause I just didn't feel good when I was noobing out
Scorpius
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden36 Posts
June 08 2010 14:30 GMT
#114
Cross-region play is the most importen of B.net 2.0 to fix!! not chat rooms not LAN. cross-regional play is the only thing that is gonna cost you alot of money to have if they dont fix it...
Takkara
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2503 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-08 14:38:14
June 08 2010 14:31 GMT
#115
On June 08 2010 23:24 cemlions wrote:
I don't mind boycotting it, I've played the beta and it is not as good as BW, I have faith the Iccup scene will last because the first game is so good. So as long as I know servers exist where a competetive fun community exists, I will stick with BW.


Protip: You can play more than one video game at a time.

I played SC2 beta, kept casually raiding with friends in WoW, just finished Mass Effect 2, playing Mass Effect 1, just finished first playthrough of Torchlight, am replaying Chrono Trigger on my DS when I travel, and I have Assassin's Creed 2 at home waiting to be started.

Don't all golfclap for me at once, I'm just one person and I'm sure there are many more out there that can split attention to more than one game. You need to devote time to SC to get significantly better, but it isn't necessary to skip one game over the other unless you're playing it competitively.
Gee gee gee gee baby baby baby
speedphlux
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Bulgaria962 Posts
June 08 2010 14:33 GMT
#116
Definately BUY, but not immediately ... Kinda broke ATM.
... Humanity Is Not What I Suffer From ...
BWdero
Profile Joined February 2008
Netherlands476 Posts
June 08 2010 14:40 GMT
#117
I'm not buying this game as long as LAN, cross region play and chatrooms are not in it. On principle.

From the looks of thing I won't ever be buying it.
Stars fighting! Member #43 of Violet fan cafe. Fuck Kespa.
BuFFo
Profile Joined May 2010
United States24 Posts
June 08 2010 14:41 GMT
#118
I will not be buying SC2.

For me, it is esentially a clone of SC1. I was expecting a new race, but instead, I got a rehash of a 12 year old game. Not only that, but to insult me, I need ot buy the campaigns for the races I like? That is unacceptable.

Also, Bnet v2. 'Nuff said. Should I even begin to say what I don't like about Bnet?
futoM4ki
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany73 Posts
June 08 2010 14:45 GMT
#119
I will not buy it, but not for boycott reasons.
It´s more that I feel I don´t need it + it´s not worth the money.
What do I need SC2 for if BW is the better game?
I think it´s just stupid if you want this game and don´t buy it to boycott Blizzard.
Even if the hole TL community wouldn´t buy SC2, they wouldn´t even care.

cya Blizz
gg, no re
Do you really want chat rooms?
peffi
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany44 Posts
June 08 2010 14:45 GMT
#120
my payment will come around this time and i will have 100 bucks together to buy the collectos-edition. then i will make a picture of it, a screenshot of an epic game and a pic of all the funny stuff inside the collectors-box and post it here just to laugh at all boycotters^^

no really i dont think you wont buy it. because at least you registered at the forum and wrote more or less much inhere. put your effort and time into helping or hating blizzard... whatever. i bet 5dollars that 97% in the forum will buy the game. even if they just clicked the boycott vote
CrunkOwns
Profile Joined April 2010
United States138 Posts
June 08 2010 14:45 GMT
#121
Seems like the main reasons for not buying are

1) too poor
2) too noob to play matchmaking
3) actual issues with bnet 2.0 / gameplay

I think people are just saying 3 when its really 1 and 2
Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. – Seneca the Younger
futoM4ki
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany73 Posts
June 08 2010 14:46 GMT
#122
On June 08 2010 23:41 BuFFo wrote:
For me, it is esentially a clone of SC1. I was expecting a new race, but instead, I got a rehash of a 12 year old game.


Did you even play both games???
ridiculous

Do you really want chat rooms?
Talic_Zealot
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
688 Posts
June 08 2010 14:48 GMT
#123
On June 08 2010 23:33 speedphlux wrote:
Definately BUY, but not immediately ... Kinda broke ATM.

This is just... I don't find any sense in it.. You know that this game is awesome and will be even more so but you won't help it be even better...
The whole boycott thing is totally idiotic to me.
There are three types of people in the universe: those who can count, and those who cant.
Spawkuring
Profile Joined July 2008
United States755 Posts
June 08 2010 14:48 GMT
#124
On June 08 2010 23:41 BuFFo wrote:
I will not be buying SC2.

For me, it is esentially a clone of SC1. I was expecting a new race, but instead, I got a rehash of a 12 year old game. Not only that, but to insult me, I need ot buy the campaigns for the races I like? That is unacceptable.

Also, Bnet v2. 'Nuff said. Should I even begin to say what I don't like about Bnet?


It's funny that you say it's bad for being a rehash considering that 99% of the complaints about SC2's gameplay are that it's too different from SC1.
D10
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Brazil3409 Posts
June 08 2010 14:50 GMT
#125
I might buy it, but not because I think its the game its suposed to be, but because theres 0 competition, all other RTS are utter crap, and even when blizzard fails horribly, they are still a cut above the rest.

Mostly the game is gonna work as an alternative to Civ V when im burned out from playing it 20 hours straight
" We are not humans having spiritual experiences. - We are spirits having human experiences." - Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-08 14:53:10
June 08 2010 14:52 GMT
#126
I'm not going to buy it, at least not initially, (because I currently own a more entertaining RTS) but that doesn't mean I'm boycotting it.
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BuFFo
Profile Joined May 2010
United States24 Posts
June 08 2010 14:54 GMT
#127
On June 08 2010 23:48 Spawkuring wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2010 23:41 BuFFo wrote:
I will not be buying SC2.

For me, it is esentially a clone of SC1. I was expecting a new race, but instead, I got a rehash of a 12 year old game. Not only that, but to insult me, I need ot buy the campaigns for the races I like? That is unacceptable.

Also, Bnet v2. 'Nuff said. Should I even begin to say what I don't like about Bnet?


It's funny that you say it's bad for being a rehash considering that 99% of the complaints about SC2's gameplay are that it's too different from SC1.


For the Layman, the game play is essentially the same. For the 'elite' few, it may be worlds different. I am not a pro, but the game, to me, mine as well be an expansion to the first game. Add some units here, and that is it.

So yeah, for that 1 person who understand the deep mechanics of the game, it may be different, but for the other 10,000 casual gamers, it is the same shuck and jive.

On June 08 2010 23:46 futoM4ki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2010 23:41 BuFFo wrote:
For me, it is esentially a clone of SC1. I was expecting a new race, but instead, I got a rehash of a 12 year old game.


Did you even play both games???
ridiculous



Such a witty remark.

First off, it is my opinion. If you do not like it, I do not care.

Second... Yes, it is a rehash. For a decade I was waiting to see the Xel'Naga as a playable race, but instead I have SC1 all over again, minus two campaigns that I need to buy? Really?

Maybe you are okay with substandard quality, but I am not.
Reason
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United Kingdom2770 Posts
June 08 2010 14:55 GMT
#128
On June 08 2010 23:48 Talic_Zealot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2010 23:33 speedphlux wrote:
Definately BUY, but not immediately ... Kinda broke ATM.

This is just... I don't find any sense in it.. You know that this game is awesome and will be even more so but you won't help it be even better...
The whole boycott thing is totally idiotic to me.

He's saying he will buy it but he can't afford it straight away...
Speak properly, and in as few words as you can, but always plainly; for the end of speech is not ostentation, but to be understood.
theslayer922
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada304 Posts
June 08 2010 14:56 GMT
#129
fucking sc2 sucks salty balls. BW for life.
(+ bnet 2.0 is terribad) voting boycott
In the Donger I Trust
QueueQueue
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada1000 Posts
June 08 2010 14:58 GMT
#130
The concept of boycotting video games is pointless and stupid. The amount that will actually do it will be so small in the grand scheme of their world wide sales that it's just some lost moral cause. The majority of people playing it are enjoying it, and will continue to do so when they purchase it on release.
Piy
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Scotland3152 Posts
June 08 2010 15:00 GMT
#131
Lots of bad stuff obviously, but it's still the best rts I've played since BW (maybe WC3, I can't decide).

Obviously I'll buy it.
My. Copy. Is. Here.
Tuplex
Profile Joined May 2010
80 Posts
June 08 2010 15:03 GMT
#132
SC2 is awesome, I'm going to buy it. Stop all your whining. Are you not having fun playing the game? Then just go play something else. Who gives a shit about Activision's profits or losses? Either you like the game and think it has a fair price, or you go play something else.
UbiNax
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark381 Posts
June 08 2010 15:05 GMT
#133
there is no reason to boycot sc2 imo, sure there is some problems with bnet 2.0 but its blizzard they will fix it in time, and im sure alot of it will be fixed at release or shortly after.

i will buy collector
DuneBug
Profile Joined April 2010
United States668 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-08 15:11:57
June 08 2010 15:06 GMT
#134
The multiplayer in SC2 is fine. I appreciate the smoother macro mechanics because BW's annoyed me. I appreciate the cool things you can do with nydus worms, proxy pylons and techlab/reactor switches.
I wouldn't call it amazing. Better graphics and smoother mechanics, and I like watching the average SC2 game a lot more than the average BW... (progamers are still awesome to watch).

I'm only really paying 20$ for ladder though. I'm paying 20$ for an awesome single player campaign, and 20$ for the chance to play some crazy fricken custom maps.

its not worth 60$ just to play ladder.. to me.

Also in regards to Blizzard trying to maximize profits...... I'm interested to see how the fee structure for this game will be... There's this stuff about limited battlenet time, I don't want to pay a fee to use battle.net and if they require that i'm not buying their damn game til its in a bargain bin.

Other shit like cross-region play I don't personally care about, and i'm kinda happy that i won't have to deal with laggy non-region players in my games. But they ought to set up SOMETHING just for the pro-scene.
TIME TO SAY GOODNIGHT BRO!
Uriel_SVK
Profile Joined April 2010
Slovakia427 Posts
June 08 2010 15:09 GMT
#135
Battle.net might be a pain in the ass, but SC2 is a great game, already preordered, not gonna cancel.
Longshank
Profile Joined March 2010
1648 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-08 15:14:31
June 08 2010 15:13 GMT
#136
Battle.net 2.0 is Blizzard's platform for all future games including D3(or atleast for quite a while). Thinking it won't evolve TONS in the comming years is downright laughable. Battle.net is probably more important for them at this point than SC2.

That doesn't mean they'll add LAN or x-region, those are design decissions. But you can be sure they'll do all they can for it to be a rock solid platform for years to come.
showbiz
Profile Joined May 2010
United States66 Posts
June 08 2010 15:14 GMT
#137
Regardless of anyone's strong emotions at the current moment, nobody on this forum is going to boycott this game, guaranteed.
Kisra
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom466 Posts
June 08 2010 15:17 GMT
#138
The arguement "The WoW devs never listen to the playerbase so SC2 devs won't listen too" isn't a strong one.

1) The WoW playerbase is enormous. Those posting on the forums tend to be in the camp of the well known saying: "Scissors are fine, but nerf paper please. Signed, rock.". Even good suggestions will be drowned out by the huge number of people arguing about whether warlocks are imbalanced, rogues do too much DPS, or that warriors aren't good tanks. Getting distilled, good feedback to the devs is nigh impossible, especially with such a broad game.

2) The above point brings me onto SC2. SC2 will similarly be enormous, but it's a very focused game. It's designed around 1v1 gameplay in a highly competitive sense and will be built up around that. Starcraft 2 as a game will, however, most likely be balanced around data and not community feedback. The community is simply too large and this means the "My faction is too weak!" camp will be far more reprisentative, as these are often the ones screaming on forums.

What does this mean for game balance? It means the only thing that should influence design decisions are numbers, or if one issue is overwhelmingly evident in the pro circuit (IE: Every tournament won by the same build, so every pro swaps to play that way). I think, personally, this is a far, far more comforting thought than everyone having their say in the development of the game. The public does not actually know best.

3) Battle.net 2.0 seems to be the biggest bugbear for now, and yeah, I get worried too. However, Blizzard have recently stated that they'll look at the major community complaints, and do you know what? I trust them. Especially if names like Husky, HDstarcraft, and Day9 keep pointing out the flaws to their large audiences (such as the kitten video), it won't be something they can forget.

I doubt LAN play will be implemented due to piracy fears, and yeah, I can see the bugbear there. Cross-realm play will also be a big frustration, which might get implemented (although I'm not holding my breath). Still, any pro league will have accounts on standby for foreign players and I have to say I think the people desperate to spread their time 50/50 over two realms are in the severe minority. You probably know a few European people and would like to play against them every now and then, but I don't think it's gamebreaking. Call me a maverick for saying so.

4) Achievements, groups, and some units remind me of WoW!. Achievements have been around a long, long time before WoW ever adopted them and, you know what? They're not different than how the WC3 ladder had different icons for wins with a certain race. They're not exactly a good reason to boycott the entire game.

Groups, if neatened up, could actually be a very easy way to organise you and your friends into team battles. My only complaint with the grouping system is that I can't pick 1v1 maps while in a group, if that gets fixed, I rather like it. It makes it very quick and easy to get me and my friends in a game.

Stalkers, Immortals and Roaches remind you of nerubians? What? Protoss sure don't have a history of making four-legged semi-mech units, do they? Zerg never had a unit that used to scuttle it's way over a battlefield and do interesting things while burrowed. They're just impersonating nerubians, of course.

To close: Rogue's vanish has been bugged since 2006 and still never been fixed.

Debatable. It's vastly improved but due to how latency works, vanish will always have a chance of not working ideally. It still works 99.9% of the times in the modern game, however.

This post reminds me of the usual post you get on WoW forums complaining about how bad the game has become for everyone since the old days. Did you ever raid Naxxramas? If you did, you were one of the top percentile, and no doubt a huge chunk of your gameplay was either farming money for pots, or farming resources for pots.

Gee, fun times. Clearly Blizzard are a soulless monster for making WoW a more accessible game, and clearly they're the epitome of evil for adding Immortals and Stalkers to SC2.

Some of the points in this post might've sounded a little snarky. Being honest, they were.
:D
futoM4ki
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany73 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-08 15:30:29
June 08 2010 15:18 GMT
#139
On June 08 2010 23:54 BuFFo wrote:
Maybe you are okay with substandard quality, but I am not.

Substandard quality.... XD
Fine, stay with C&C :-P

Do you really want chat rooms?
Ocedic
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1808 Posts
June 08 2010 15:19 GMT
#140
On June 08 2010 19:37 killercheebo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2010 19:34 DarKFoRcE wrote:
The gameplay is good, so i'll buy it. I have hopes that bnet 2.0 will improve in the future.


and that is how activision is misleading you. they are exploiting SC1 and blizzard's past good reputation into making fans believe that they will improve bnet 0.2, when in fact they won't. After enough units have been sold and money have been squeezed out of SC2, they will simply stop caring


And you have what for your baseless assumptions? Have you even played any other Blizz game other than BW? Games have been increasingly supported and updated AFTER Brood War.

You have every right to be dissatisfied with their Bnet 2.0 service and not buy the game if you want, but don't spread blatant misinformation because others don't agree with you.
Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
June 08 2010 15:24 GMT
#141
On June 09 2010 00:19 Ocedic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2010 19:37 killercheebo wrote:
On June 08 2010 19:34 DarKFoRcE wrote:
The gameplay is good, so i'll buy it. I have hopes that bnet 2.0 will improve in the future.


and that is how activision is misleading you. they are exploiting SC1 and blizzard's past good reputation into making fans believe that they will improve bnet 0.2, when in fact they won't. After enough units have been sold and money have been squeezed out of SC2, they will simply stop caring


And you have what for your baseless assumptions? Have you even played any other Blizz game other than BW? Games have been increasingly supported and updated AFTER Brood War.

You have every right to be dissatisfied with their Bnet 2.0 service and not buy the game if you want, but don't spread blatant misinformation because others don't agree with you.


I dunno I tend to agree with him.

I have played and loved every blizzard game, I really have. I wasted countless hours on D2, SCBW, WC3, and WoW and I know that in GENERAL blizzard really cared about their games. What I have noticed though is that this isn't the same blizzard that made those games great. This is the same blizzard that produced WotLK which when looked at objectively is nothing more than a blatant money grab.

SC2 gameplay is fine though not earth shattering and it's really only so hyped because it rides on the success of its predecessor. If it were any other title it would have no where near the hype. That being said SC2 game play is fine.

Bnet 2.0 really really kills it for me. I have so many issues with the way the multiplayer works in SC2 that I cannot in good conscience buy it. I made such a mistake once with MW2...I will not do it again. I'll buy SC2 when and if Bnet 2.0 is actually fixed and has at least the same functionality of Bnet 1.0.
Python is garbage, number 1 advocate of getting rid of it.
bubblegumbo
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Taiwan1296 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-08 15:30:01
June 08 2010 15:27 GMT
#142
I don't understand how the OP is able to post on the internet from North Korea, but yea I agree that not allowing cross-region play on one game copy is a huge factor that is making me consider not buying SC2.
But obviously those casual players living in the US don't give a shit about this restriction.
"I honestly think that whoever invented toilet paper is a genius. For man to survive, they need toilet paper!"- Nal_rA
Longshank
Profile Joined March 2010
1648 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-08 15:31:48
June 08 2010 15:28 GMT
#143
On June 09 2010 00:24 Jayme wrote:
SC2 gameplay is fine though not earth shattering and it's really only so hyped because it rides on the success of its predecessor. If it were any other title it would have no where near the hype. That being said SC2 game play is fine.


Much like SC1?

edit: point was that SC was also hyped big time when it was released thanks to Warcraft 2. And gameplay at release wasn't that fantastic.
Takkara
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2503 Posts
June 08 2010 15:30 GMT
#144
On June 09 2010 00:24 Jayme wrote:
when looked at objectively is nothing more than a blatant money grab.


I'm going to regret this. But this phrase "money grab" is just becoming far too popular, without any basis in reality. It's getting to the point of overuse like "cheese" and "rush" where the word just has no meaning anymore how it's being used.

Please explain how "objectively" it is nothing more than a blatant money grab. Remember the definition of objectively now: it means without any personal opinion or bias or conjecture. It means that regardless of who is looking at the situation the facts can only be interpreted in one way.

Seeing as how your definition of money grab probably differs from someone else's definition of money grab, it's going to be very hard to objectively paint something as a money grab.
Gee gee gee gee baby baby baby
PanzerDragoon
Profile Joined March 2010
United States822 Posts
June 08 2010 15:34 GMT
#145
This will be just like the "Modern Warfare 2 boycott" where you see all the people in "boycott SC2" groups....playing SC2
Boonbag
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
France3318 Posts
June 08 2010 15:34 GMT
#146
boycott ofc
psyote
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Germany15 Posts
June 08 2010 15:35 GMT
#147
semi-boycott
will buy when prize<= 20 EUR
Typho0n
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada276 Posts
June 08 2010 15:36 GMT
#148
On June 09 2010 00:34 PanzerDragoon wrote:
This will be just like the "Modern Warfare 2 boycott" where you see all the people in "boycott SC2" groups....playing SC2


...exactly. Everyone is going to buy sc2. Maybe a small hand full won't but even then I see them breaking and buying it later.
bull0563
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
112 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-08 15:41:15
June 08 2010 15:39 GMT
#149
The golden days are over. Blizzard still has huge budget to make big games. But they are not the loving caring company they used to be.
So they will still produce quality games. They will just fuck the customer while they are at it. And i can't say i blame them. It's not like there are other companies making a proper rts.

If you are still thinking of boycotting. Try comparing SC2 with All ea RTS After Tiberium wars.
Backpack
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1776 Posts
June 08 2010 15:40 GMT
#150
IMO people who boycott starcraft should also boycott TL.

As of now the "Starcraft 2 Discussion" is "Starcraft 2 QQ and Boycotting"

For all these people who are apparently going to "boycott" the game, they spend an awful lot of time on these forums and the official forums yapping about it.
"You people need to just generally care a lot less about everything." -Zatic
Spawkuring
Profile Joined July 2008
United States755 Posts
June 08 2010 15:40 GMT
#151
On June 09 2010 00:24 Jayme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2010 00:19 Ocedic wrote:
On June 08 2010 19:37 killercheebo wrote:
On June 08 2010 19:34 DarKFoRcE wrote:
The gameplay is good, so i'll buy it. I have hopes that bnet 2.0 will improve in the future.


and that is how activision is misleading you. they are exploiting SC1 and blizzard's past good reputation into making fans believe that they will improve bnet 0.2, when in fact they won't. After enough units have been sold and money have been squeezed out of SC2, they will simply stop caring


And you have what for your baseless assumptions? Have you even played any other Blizz game other than BW? Games have been increasingly supported and updated AFTER Brood War.

You have every right to be dissatisfied with their Bnet 2.0 service and not buy the game if you want, but don't spread blatant misinformation because others don't agree with you.


I dunno I tend to agree with him.

I have played and loved every blizzard game, I really have. I wasted countless hours on D2, SCBW, WC3, and WoW and I know that in GENERAL blizzard really cared about their games. What I have noticed though is that this isn't the same blizzard that made those games great. This is the same blizzard that produced WotLK which when looked at objectively is nothing more than a blatant money grab.


WotLK is nowhere near a money grab. It contains just as much content as any other expansion, and the fact that raiding is easier doesn't make it a money grab. If you've taken even a small glance at Ulduar, you'd know that they still put tons of effort into WoW, and Cataclysm has so many user-requested features that to call it a money grab is nothing short of a blatant lie. In fact I'd say that Cataclysm is the ultimate "fuck you" to all those who call Blizzard greedy.
Daedie
Profile Joined March 2010
Belgium160 Posts
June 08 2010 15:42 GMT
#152
I'll be buying it, and most ppl that claim to "boycot" will buy it too.
I like turtles
revy
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1524 Posts
June 08 2010 15:43 GMT
#153
On June 08 2010 19:37 killercheebo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2010 19:34 DarKFoRcE wrote:
The gameplay is good, so i'll buy it. I have hopes that bnet 2.0 will improve in the future.


and that is how activision is misleading you. they are exploiting SC1 and blizzard's past good reputation into making fans believe that they will improve bnet 0.2, when in fact they won't. After enough units have been sold and money have been squeezed out of SC2, they will simply stop caring


Because this is the good way to run a business? While I wont deny that it hasn't ever happened time and time again businesses that do this see a great immediate benefit at the expense of killing themselves in the future. Blizzard is smarter than this. Before you start in with the "But Activision is evil and they control Blizzard now" nonsense Blizzard is still Blizzard. They became big by making quality games which are well supported, they wont turn their backs on this now.

Say whatever you want, Blizzard has delivered a very enjoyable multiplayer experience. I know that the single player will also be great. So B.net 2 isn't all that it was cracked up to be, do you really think that the same team which made a great game wont complete the package? There are 2 expansions coming on down the line, Blizzard wont be so stupid as to turn off the fanbase and kill the sales of the expansions.

The internet is so negative.
Simsar
Profile Joined November 2009
Sweden27 Posts
June 08 2010 15:45 GMT
#154
I'm currently leaning more towards a boycott, at the very least i won't buy it with the initial release. I will probably go back to play broodwar.
clickrush
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Switzerland3257 Posts
June 08 2010 15:46 GMT
#155
Ok so there are some ppl who dont like the game and will not buy it. iam fine with this.
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bmml
Profile Joined December 2009
United Kingdom962 Posts
June 08 2010 15:48 GMT
#156
I'm not sure about boycott but I've cancelled my preorder. I've played a shit load of ladder in beta and just dont think that with the current custom game / chat room situation I don't particularly want to buy it, whether any of this changes in the next push will effect my purchase ofc.
Impeller
Profile Joined October 2007
Mexico29 Posts
June 08 2010 15:54 GMT
#157
Voted for Boycott because I "hate" blizzard but the game is excellent and even more addictive than BW. Bought in on amazon presale and never canceled even though I said I would. It's just too good. Hope they fix bnet which sucks camel balls.
You do not talk about fight club!!
MER
Profile Joined June 2008
Bulgaria125 Posts
June 08 2010 15:57 GMT
#158
I'm one of the people to boycott the game. Let me explain exactly why:

If Blizzard were trying their best to make a perfect game with perfect user experience and catered to the fans and e-sport as they claim, but were failing in their attempts I would support them and buy SC2.

However, even for an idiot it's pretty obvious that every crap they do is on purpose - no LAN, no cross-server play, map marketplace, even trying to take over the e-sport scene! Why do they throw all this shit at us - because they have honorable intentions but got it wrong by accident? No! They do it for greed for money and control over the gamers. They're treating the community like sheep who can be brainwashed with some marketing crap.

I won't buy the game not because it's a failure but because Blizzard blatantly tries to lie to us and manipulate us!... Oh sorry Pardo, you didn't lie when you said battle.net 2.0 would blow our minds, it really did, literally!

I don't care how good the actual game is, if the company is trying to lie and manipulate me I will never support it!

Btw, similar thing is going to happen with Civilization 5, it'll ship with obligatory Steam and lots of "awesome" DLC. Similar discussions are going on at the moment in the Civ community as well.

In conclusion here are a couple of great eye-openers for people who think this is just an unfounded whining:
http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=25026564417
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=128252

And here is some food for thought about battle.net 2.0 and why it may've delayed the release of SC2:
2) Activision-Blizzard officially merged only 2 years ago. StarCraft II was in development for 7? years (2003), StarCraft II itself looked pretty good even in the videos back in the day when they announced it (May 2007)… The release of StarCraft II was delayed by almost a year because “Battle.Net 2.0 wasn’t ready”. Tell me how exactly could it happen that a game, which has been developed for 7 years had to (re)start work on a basic feature clearly required for it to work in the first place so close to its release date and when exactly did the paradigm change start?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=128252&currentpage=31#616
Eti307
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
Canada3442 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-08 16:06:45
June 08 2010 16:05 GMT
#159
Even with all those complaints, shitty battlenet 2.0, no lan etc.. it is still a must buy. Come on I've been spending more time on the SC2 beta than any other games for the past month or 2. I enjoyed it quite a bit and I'm pretty sure I'll play this game for a long time. Not to mention the full game includes the singleplayer campaign.

I've already played more of this game than some of my games I bought for more than 60$. Boycotting the game won't do anything lol. Sure we Starcraft players have a lot of complaints but look at the overall situation.. casual gamers will still buy the game, not conscious of this whole situation. I just think boycotting a great game is ridiculous.
BeMannerDuPenner
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Germany5638 Posts
June 08 2010 16:11 GMT
#160
buy it . its a nobrainer.. i mean its sc2. release will be so much fun. masses of IMBAIMBA! crying wow noobs evrywhere to stomp! yeah!


but ofc as long as blizz is refusing to give us what we need ill do evrything to bitch around as much as possible.
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Ghad
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway2551 Posts
June 08 2010 16:14 GMT
#161
Hell, even for the between 50 and 60 hours I have already played the game I am getting great value for my 50 euro, much better than most games I have bought lately that has bored me after 15 hours.
forgottendreams: One underage girl, two drunk guys, one gogo dancer and starcraft 2. Apparently just another day in Europe.
Lite.wasalreadytaken
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada42 Posts
June 08 2010 16:15 GMT
#162
lol @ 23%. If you weren't going to buy the game to begin with you shouldn't have voted. If you were, then you still will, don't lie. I bet you will buy all 3.
"A witty saying proves nothing." - Voltaire
cronican
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada424 Posts
June 08 2010 16:25 GMT
#163
Anyone who doesn't buy a game because of 'video game principles' is an idiot. It's no different from when I was 11 and wouldn't play sega because I liked nintendo.

I will be buying it the first day and loving every goddamn second playing through the campaign, use map settings games, and climbing the ladder.

I buy games to have fun. As soon as it stops being fun, I quit. It's really that simple.
Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
June 08 2010 16:26 GMT
#164
On June 09 2010 00:40 Spawkuring wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2010 00:24 Jayme wrote:
On June 09 2010 00:19 Ocedic wrote:
On June 08 2010 19:37 killercheebo wrote:
On June 08 2010 19:34 DarKFoRcE wrote:
The gameplay is good, so i'll buy it. I have hopes that bnet 2.0 will improve in the future.


and that is how activision is misleading you. they are exploiting SC1 and blizzard's past good reputation into making fans believe that they will improve bnet 0.2, when in fact they won't. After enough units have been sold and money have been squeezed out of SC2, they will simply stop caring


And you have what for your baseless assumptions? Have you even played any other Blizz game other than BW? Games have been increasingly supported and updated AFTER Brood War.

You have every right to be dissatisfied with their Bnet 2.0 service and not buy the game if you want, but don't spread blatant misinformation because others don't agree with you.


I dunno I tend to agree with him.

I have played and loved every blizzard game, I really have. I wasted countless hours on D2, SCBW, WC3, and WoW and I know that in GENERAL blizzard really cared about their games. What I have noticed though is that this isn't the same blizzard that made those games great. This is the same blizzard that produced WotLK which when looked at objectively is nothing more than a blatant money grab.


WotLK is nowhere near a money grab. It contains just as much content as any other expansion, and the fact that raiding is easier doesn't make it a money grab. If you've taken even a small glance at Ulduar, you'd know that they still put tons of effort into WoW, and Cataclysm has so many user-requested features that to call it a money grab is nothing short of a blatant lie. In fact I'd say that Cataclysm is the ultimate "fuck you" to all those who call Blizzard greedy.


WotLK did not contain what one would consider NEW content.

Vanilla was a brand new game.

TBC expanded the game in just about every way. Radical balance chances, arena, a different mount system, a different skill system, a HOST of new features, badges. etc etc. My priests entire tech tree was completely overhauled.

Wotlk did not expand the game. The status quo remained just about the same except for the fact that raiding is now easier and the game in general makes it easier for you to acquire things with less time investment. In fact, one dungeon was completely recycled from Vanilla, and another was a reskinned onyxia (with some drakes). Nothing really ENCOMPASSING was added to WotLK besides a new hero class (which still hasn't exactly found a place) and uhh...well that's about it.

I played up until my guild completed Ulduar after what.. day 3? Or something...

Cataclysm does actually bring a whole host of user-requested features but yea, you pay for a full expansion cost. If Cataclysm actually does turn out they way it's supposed to then you ahve me there. WotLK I won't think otherwise though.

The whole WoW thing is irrelevant though I guess, until Bnet 2.0 is actually what one would consider operation I won't buy the game.
Python is garbage, number 1 advocate of getting rid of it.
PaddyPower
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom82 Posts
June 08 2010 16:27 GMT
#165
buying without thinking twice
i r pro
Takkara
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2503 Posts
June 08 2010 16:34 GMT
#166
On June 09 2010 01:26 Jayme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2010 00:40 Spawkuring wrote:
On June 09 2010 00:24 Jayme wrote:
On June 09 2010 00:19 Ocedic wrote:
On June 08 2010 19:37 killercheebo wrote:
On June 08 2010 19:34 DarKFoRcE wrote:
The gameplay is good, so i'll buy it. I have hopes that bnet 2.0 will improve in the future.


and that is how activision is misleading you. they are exploiting SC1 and blizzard's past good reputation into making fans believe that they will improve bnet 0.2, when in fact they won't. After enough units have been sold and money have been squeezed out of SC2, they will simply stop caring


And you have what for your baseless assumptions? Have you even played any other Blizz game other than BW? Games have been increasingly supported and updated AFTER Brood War.

You have every right to be dissatisfied with their Bnet 2.0 service and not buy the game if you want, but don't spread blatant misinformation because others don't agree with you.


I dunno I tend to agree with him.

I have played and loved every blizzard game, I really have. I wasted countless hours on D2, SCBW, WC3, and WoW and I know that in GENERAL blizzard really cared about their games. What I have noticed though is that this isn't the same blizzard that made those games great. This is the same blizzard that produced WotLK which when looked at objectively is nothing more than a blatant money grab.


WotLK is nowhere near a money grab. It contains just as much content as any other expansion, and the fact that raiding is easier doesn't make it a money grab. If you've taken even a small glance at Ulduar, you'd know that they still put tons of effort into WoW, and Cataclysm has so many user-requested features that to call it a money grab is nothing short of a blatant lie. In fact I'd say that Cataclysm is the ultimate "fuck you" to all those who call Blizzard greedy.


WotLK did not contain what one would consider NEW content.

Vanilla was a brand new game.

TBC expanded the game in just about every way. Radical balance chances, arena, a different mount system, a different skill system, a HOST of new features, badges. etc etc. My priests entire tech tree was completely overhauled.

Wotlk did not expand the game. The status quo remained just about the same except for the fact that raiding is now easier and the game in general makes it easier for you to acquire things with less time investment. In fact, one dungeon was completely recycled from Vanilla, and another was a reskinned onyxia (with some drakes). Nothing really ENCOMPASSING was added to WotLK besides a new hero class (which still hasn't exactly found a place) and uhh...well that's about it.

I played up until my guild completed Ulduar after what.. day 3? Or something...

Cataclysm does actually bring a whole host of user-requested features but yea, you pay for a full expansion cost. If Cataclysm actually does turn out they way it's supposed to then you ahve me there. WotLK I won't think otherwise though.

The whole WoW thing is irrelevant though I guess, until Bnet 2.0 is actually what one would consider operation I won't buy the game.


Nothing about what you just wrote was "objectively a money grab" as you said. That's completely a subjective judgement. If you choose to define your reality in those terms, go for it. It's not an objective observation, however.

I'd refute your points, but this isn't a WoW forum.

If your personal bias about the way Blizzard may or may not be run is somehow affecting the way you feel inside of their games then that's unfortunate. If they scrubbed the Blizzard name off of it, and replaced it with "Studio Y" would you feel differently if it was the same product? If they took Starcraft off of it, and replaced it with "Space RTS Z" would that change the way you feel about the gameplay?

If the answer to those questions is "yes" then I think you're just wasting too much time getting worked up over things that don't matter. We operate on imperfect information about the inner-workings at Blizzard. We try to wring information from every word of every interview and post they make, because that's what fanboys do. But, it's going a few steps too far if our conjecture as fans gets in the way of making rational judgements about the products we're using.
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Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
June 08 2010 16:39 GMT
#167
See, unlike those 179 people w ho voted that they won't, I support the best video game making company in the world. They're not stupid, they will make changes and add in stuff according to what we want, maybe not ALL of it and maybe not right away, but Blizzard will help us out.

If there were ever a game worth 60 dollars this was it. All you haters out there still clicked on the client and logged in to play nearly every single day even without the chatrooms, and that is the power of SC2.

Won't need to think twice and neither should you all. Buying it.
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pRo9aMeR
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
595 Posts
June 08 2010 16:42 GMT
#168
Battle.net 0.2
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says it all
In training...let's play, gg! d^..^b
MagisterMan
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Sweden525 Posts
June 08 2010 16:43 GMT
#169
I'll definitely buy it regardless how Bnet 2.0 will end up. I hope they fix the issues with it though.
Nachos?
fellcrow
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States288 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-08 16:50:30
June 08 2010 16:45 GMT
#170
On June 08 2010 20:04 Polis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2010 19:54 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote:
Gonna buy it.

The BNet2.0 bugs will be fixed and the issues like no chat channels etc. well we'll see about them. They're no deal breaker for me though and I trust Blizzard to improve the BNet by quit a lot as time goes.
People also seem to forget that BNet2.0 has some pretty awesome features as the party building which just makes things so much easier. The interface overall is really cool.


Joined TL.net Monday, 29th of March 2010

Or maybe you just don't know how i worked in BN 1.0? Now describe what this awesome feature allows you to do, and how it workst, and we compare it to the BN 1.0 way, kk?


Just cause you joined TL in 2010 doesn't mean you are ignorant to SC. This game has been out since 1998 and most of the people who play it are NOT on TL. We don't need you pointing out a join date to TL to try and boost your ego because you have been here for X years.

Nothing about what you just wrote was "objectively a money grab" as you said. That's completely a subjective judgement. If you choose to define your reality in those terms, go for it. It's not an objective observation, however.

I'd refute your points, but this isn't a WoW forum.

If your personal bias about the way Blizzard may or may not be run is somehow affecting the way you feel inside of their games then that's unfortunate. If they scrubbed the Blizzard name off of it, and replaced it with "Studio Y" would you feel differently if it was the same product? If they took Starcraft off of it, and replaced it with "Space RTS Z" would that change the way you feel about the gameplay?

If the answer to those questions is "yes" then I think you're just wasting too much time getting worked up over things that don't matter. We operate on imperfect information about the inner-workings at Blizzard. We try to wring information from every word of every interview and post they make, because that's what fanboys do. But, it's going a few steps too far if our conjecture as fans gets in the way of making rational judgements about the products we're using.


By the way, this company is NOT blizzard. This is Activision Blizzard and now is a new company. So instead of basing that you think this is the best company ever because of all there past games and reputation etc, you might consider basing how well the company is since it merged with Activision, which imo has been down the toilet since then. Or would you disagree and say since Activision bought blizzard, they are a better company.
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
danl9rm
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States3111 Posts
June 08 2010 16:50 GMT
#171
lol, don't buy sc2, your loss. but the fact that you're on these forums tells me you'll be buying it. i won't believe otherwise.

also, anyone out there not crying wolf?

less qq please.
"Science has so well established that the preborn baby in the womb is a living human being that most pro-choice activists have conceded the point. ..since the abortion proponents have lost the science argument, they are now advocating an existential one."
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25980 Posts
June 08 2010 16:52 GMT
#172
Renamed.
Moderator
Takkara
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2503 Posts
June 08 2010 16:55 GMT
#173
On June 09 2010 01:45 fellcrow wrote:
Or would you disagree and say since Activision bought blizzard, they are a better company.


I'm saying in all honesty it doesn't matter in the least. They could slaughter baby penguins on their lunch breaks, and it wouldn't affect the fact that I think SC2 is fun.

Then I'd pretty much assume that the company wasn't going to be around very long after people found out about the penguin slaughter, but SC2 would still be fun.

Fun game is fun. If it's not fun, don't buy it. Don't avoid it because one guy somewhere wrote a 10 page post that kinda not really links Blizzard to some guy that a bunch of people say is supposedly the devil.

Why let all that get in the way of your visceral reaction to the actual game? Was it fun? Yes. Buy it.
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Archerofaiur
Profile Joined August 2008
United States4101 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-08 16:58:50
June 08 2010 16:56 GMT
#174
On June 09 2010 01:52 Chill wrote:
Renamed.



I wanna make a note on Chill's edit. Boycotting is perhaps the worst way to protest a game. However ranking the game a low score on amazon, ign, metacritic etc.. WILL have an impact on the games eventual sales. So lets see

Ranking
Free: Check
Effective: Check
Easy: Check
Legal: Check
Your right as a gamer: Check


And we already have 6000 people who say they would do it. I have trouble believing 23% of people taking that poll would forgo Starcraft. However I have no trouble believing people would be willing to click a link to protest Activisions treatment of BNET 0.2
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=128014
http://sclegacy.com/news/28-scl/250-starcraftlegacy-macro-theorycrafting-contest-winners
Mr.Eternity
Profile Joined May 2010
United States143 Posts
June 08 2010 17:00 GMT
#175
So you are trying to prevent people from playing starcraft 2 by posting on a forum dedicated to starcraft 2 players.

I see what you did there....
"Because nobody can make it alone"
Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany2959 Posts
June 08 2010 17:01 GMT
#176
On June 09 2010 01:56 Archerofaiur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2010 01:52 Chill wrote:
Renamed.



I wanna make a note on Chill's edit. Boycotting is perhaps the worst way to protest a game. However ranking the game a low score on amazon, ign, metacritic etc.. WILL have an impact on the games eventual sales. So lets see

Ranking
Free: Check
Effective: Check
Easy: Check
Legal: Check
Your right as a gamer: Check


And we already have 6000 people who say they would do it. I have trouble believing 23% of people taking that poll would forgo Starcraft. However I have no trouble believing people would be willing to click a link to protest Activisions treatment of BNET 0.2
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=128014


Oh god you again. This is less about Blizzard than it is about the amount of attention you gather.
A wonder you didn't get banned for promoting piracy.
WrathBringerReturns said: No no no. Sarcasm is detected in the voice. When this forum is riddled with stupidity, you think I can tell every post apart? Fair enough it was intended sarcastically, was it obvious? Of course not.
KingofHearts
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Japan562 Posts
June 08 2010 17:03 GMT
#177
no lan no buy.
moshi moshi~
Islandsnake
Profile Joined April 2009
United States679 Posts
June 08 2010 17:03 GMT
#178
On June 09 2010 01:52 Chill wrote:
Renamed.


<333
Bang!
holy_war
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States3590 Posts
June 08 2010 17:06 GMT
#179
Nice touch Chill! It's like the Modern Warfare 2 boycott list on steam all over again. I bet 90% of you guys who voted to boycott will be playing the game once released.
Archerofaiur
Profile Joined August 2008
United States4101 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-08 17:16:25
June 08 2010 17:15 GMT
#180

A wonder you didn't get banned for promoting piracy.



I have NEVER once promoted piracy. So dont say I have. I have paid for every single game I have ever played.
http://sclegacy.com/news/28-scl/250-starcraftlegacy-macro-theorycrafting-contest-winners
danl9rm
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States3111 Posts
June 08 2010 17:15 GMT
#181
On June 09 2010 01:56 Archerofaiur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2010 01:52 Chill wrote:
Renamed.



I wanna make a note on Chill's edit. Boycotting is perhaps the worst way to protest a game. However ranking the game a low score on amazon, ign, metacritic etc.. WILL have an impact on the games eventual sales. So lets see

Ranking
Free: Check
Effective: Check
Easy: Check
Legal: Check
Your right as a gamer: Check


And we already have 6000 people who say they would do it. I have trouble believing 23% of people taking that poll would forgo Starcraft. However I have no trouble believing people would be willing to click a link to protest Activisions treatment of BNET 0.2
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=128014


oh, please.

if i rated sc2 low, i'd have to rate every other game i ever played in the future, besides diablo3, 1 star.

and don't give me, "but bnet2.0..."

it's clear they're still working on it. u guys get ur panties in a wad so quickly.
"Science has so well established that the preborn baby in the womb is a living human being that most pro-choice activists have conceded the point. ..since the abortion proponents have lost the science argument, they are now advocating an existential one."
fellcrow
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States288 Posts
June 08 2010 17:16 GMT
#182
On June 09 2010 01:55 Takkara wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2010 01:45 fellcrow wrote:
Or would you disagree and say since Activision bought blizzard, they are a better company.


I'm saying in all honesty it doesn't matter in the least. They could slaughter baby penguins on their lunch breaks, and it wouldn't affect the fact that I think SC2 is fun.

Then I'd pretty much assume that the company wasn't going to be around very long after people found out about the penguin slaughter, but SC2 would still be fun.

Fun game is fun. If it's not fun, don't buy it. Don't avoid it because one guy somewhere wrote a 10 page post that kinda not really links Blizzard to some guy that a bunch of people say is supposedly the devil.

Why let all that get in the way of your visceral reaction to the actual game? Was it fun? Yes. Buy it.


To me, personally, it does matter. I feel that blizzard has not met the standards it once set for its player base. But another thing that worries me is the final price of the game after all 3 are released. I, personally and total opinion here, am morally opposed to paying $180 for basically one game. If anyone has a link on what the expansion costs will be, for sure 100%, I would like to know. I do NOT want to pay $60 for each game. That is just ridiculous and I won't do it haha.
And Bnet 2.0, I personally don't like the interface but that is moot haha.
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
789
Profile Joined October 2009
United States959 Posts
June 08 2010 17:17 GMT
#183
On June 09 2010 02:06 holy_war wrote:
Nice touch Chill! It's like the Modern Warfare 2 boycott list on steam all over again. I bet 90% of you guys who voted to boycott will be playing the game once released.


Or the Left 4 Dead 2 boycott .... or any boycott of any video game ever. Even if the people who say they will boycott do ... like Blizzard will care if a couple hundred people don't buy it.

The topic rename is awesome.
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Mr.Eternity
Profile Joined May 2010
United States143 Posts
June 08 2010 17:18 GMT
#184
On June 09 2010 02:16 fellcrow wrote:
That is just ridiculous and I won't do it haha.


Actually, once Blizzard raises the hype for each of the expansions and gains the support of the starcraft community, you will.
"Because nobody can make it alone"
Go0g3n
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Russian Federation410 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-08 17:23:03
June 08 2010 17:18 GMT
#185
Now people are bringing WoW into this?

Apparently it's difficult for some to understand that considerably limited game experience, as opposed to what people are used to, can act as a turn off when it comes to buying games.

Basically, all the "You're still gonna buy it" proclaimers came here to label all the protesters 'full of shit' in a hope to filter those who actually are full of shit, forgetting that doing so automatically labels them the same.
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5558 Posts
June 08 2010 17:21 GMT
#186
This threat title is insulting.

Some mod have a skewed sense of humour. ;;
Archerofaiur
Profile Joined August 2008
United States4101 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-08 17:25:47
June 08 2010 17:22 GMT
#187
On June 09 2010 02:15 danl9rm wrote:
it's clear they're still working on it. u guys get ur panties in a wad so quickly.



Go watch the husky video. I dont think your informed just how many problems Blizzard is actually "working on"*





*"low priority" "not necessary" and/or "soooo 2002"
http://sclegacy.com/news/28-scl/250-starcraftlegacy-macro-theorycrafting-contest-winners
fellcrow
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States288 Posts
June 08 2010 17:23 GMT
#188
On June 09 2010 02:18 Mr.Eternity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2010 02:16 fellcrow wrote:
That is just ridiculous and I won't do it haha.


Actually, once Blizzard raises the hype for each of the expansions and gains the support of the starcraft community, you will.


You really will pay $60 for each game, despite the lack of content that will be added to the multiplayer?
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
Tsagacity
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States2124 Posts
June 08 2010 17:26 GMT
#189
On June 09 2010 02:23 fellcrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2010 02:18 Mr.Eternity wrote:
On June 09 2010 02:16 fellcrow wrote:
That is just ridiculous and I won't do it haha.


Actually, once Blizzard raises the hype for each of the expansions and gains the support of the starcraft community, you will.


You really will pay $60 for each game, despite the lack of content that will be added to the multiplayer?
Where'd you hear each game is $60?
"Everyone worse than me at video games is a noob. Everyone better than me doesn't have a life."
Mr.Eternity
Profile Joined May 2010
United States143 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-08 17:29:30
June 08 2010 17:28 GMT
#190
On June 09 2010 02:23 fellcrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2010 02:18 Mr.Eternity wrote:
On June 09 2010 02:16 fellcrow wrote:
That is just ridiculous and I won't do it haha.


Actually, once Blizzard raises the hype for each of the expansions and gains the support of the starcraft community, you will.


You really will pay $60 for each game, despite the lack of content that will be added to the multiplayer?


lol, and the alternative is to play an outdated game that all the pros have cast aside, kind of like the original starcraft. Face it, every time Blizzard updates one of its games and the reception from the community is good, most of the people will switch

And the point of the expansions isn't to add content to the multiplayer, it's to add a greater depth of gameplay.
"Because nobody can make it alone"
Galleon.frigate
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada721 Posts
June 08 2010 17:31 GMT
#191
Look.

People will buy cheap socks from china even though they know it would eventaully put people they know out of work.

People will buy quality games from bastards because... they are quality games.

If people wish to hate on blizzard do so. That's fine. I'm sorry but it's not going to do much, but go ahead. More power to you. Really though, maybe put that energy to something more worth while, like helping the elderly in your neigherhood or whatever. Saddly what makes a multi-billion dollar industy move is not talk, it's not reviews, it's not jack shit but money.




As an aside what has blizzard done that is so wrong? They made SC2 not SC1 with new graphics. Do I agree with everything, no. Do I play the game and think it plays well... yup. Blizzard hasn't let me down yet. So of course I'm gonig to buy the game.

I will never buy another modern warfare. I believe in rewarding the people that made the game, not the people who funded it. Activision fucked that one up bad. So I'm done.

To people who played wow for years then cry blizzard ruined it... no they made a game you loved for years... the people that made your game moved on to other projects as their success allowed, and new people moved in - who, guess what, had different ideas. Turns out millions still love wow though.

SC2 will be different, made by different people, with different ideas. Most of us will still like it, hell love it. Though a few things will piss us off. Some of us will burn out and leave. Overall SC2 will be a success


Look if you are going to boycott sc2 because they don't add chat rooms? please ... people will mod the sc2 client and there will be chat rooms. Blizzard will go fuck it, might as well add them in proper since people like it. Or maybe they won't, oh well. 1 feature does not ruin the game. I'm sorry. Not in the world of irc and msn and fuck it chat rullette
Will they sell some protraits and cool shiny shinys ? Hell ya. So what? Let the fools and their money be parted. This is not something to be upset about. When they start trying to whore you out at 15$ for the next "SC2 Map Pack of 3 maps from BW" then don't buy it.
Aberu
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States968 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-08 17:38:05
June 08 2010 17:32 GMT
#192
On June 08 2010 19:24 killercheebo wrote:
However, none of these are surprising or are anything new to me. I played WoW for years until latest expansions and personally experienced the way blizzard handles things and their policies toward WoW playerbase. They never listen to the community, unless it is a suggestion that can generate them more money. Of all the suggestions and proposed balance changes players posted on forums, only suggestions they accepted were things like paid name change service, paid character server transfer, in game mounts that cost $20, etc.


I really have to disagree here. Had been playing WoW since Vanilla. Let's see, things they added since release. They went from 1 viable raiding and 1 viable pvp build for each class, to multiple. They did away with useless talents so people can actually make a choice now and not be severely handicapped for it. I played hunter, they made huge improvements to that class. They did away with our PvP being boring, and made it challenging. They did away with our yawn-worthy shot rotation in raids, and gave us lots of choices and active dynamics (see the difference between molten core hunter jobs, to BWL, then to Naxx 1.0, then Naxx 2.0, etc...). It went from pointless mindless progress stopping world pvp, to battlegrounds, to raid pvp, to raid pvp with vehicles that feels like world pvp, to raid pve with vehicles that feels pvp'ish. You get the point. They didn't JUST add features that they could charge you for. I think the insinuation that ALL WoW got was pay services since release is absolutely not backed up by evidence in any way at all.

I was able to foresee the direction the B.net 0.2 will be taking ever since they forced WoW players into merging their accounts to a new "battle.net account". New b.net 0.2 is exactly like how WoW or other MMORPG servers work. Its definately very un-RTS like. Things like regional locking, "characters (lol?)", parties (SC2 =/= RPG), and achievements (direct ripoff from WoW). I repeat, SC2 is an RTS, not an MMO like WoW. Even their new matchmaking system is completely taken from WoW's arena matchmaking system, which became worse in latest expansion, by the way. Blizzard believes that since WoW made them so much cash, turning SC2 into another WoW would yield them more money. In fact, one of the probable reasons why they are incorporating so much WOW bullshit into SC2 is to attract their vast reservoir of WOW gamers into buying SC2. Remember that tauren marine april fools joke? And lot of the units (roaches, stalker, immortal, etc) looks like those nerubian WC3 / WOW units.


They have said before they will look into getting rid of regional locks maybe in some way. Parties are actually interesting, it's a little easier than WC3 for instance where you have to keep joining the same chat room and talking to be in a "party". I remember playing 10 hours in a sitting of DotA with my friends, this new party system makes that incredibly easier, I don't see how it's DETRIMENTAL to you playing the game. Achievements wasn't even a direct ripoff of WoW, it came from X-Box live way before, and a few other games before that as well. Achievements are in all games now, it's an industry standard, sorta like online play is nowadays a standard for almost all games in any genre to feature and force their games to be designed and tailored for. I'll partly agree on the matchmaking, but I haven't FELT a negative effect from it, personally everyone I have fought has helped me get better, every single match, it hasn't held me back. The only reason it feels bad to self-proclaimed "pros" like you, is because there are so few people playing in beta compared to what the live product will be, it keeps matching you up against lower players or players at too high a level. This will fade with time. SC2's release will have at LEAST 10 times as many people playing at one time. I really don't see how the roaches look like anything else other than a kind of new lurker, the stalker is very reminiscent of the dragoon, and the immortal, is there really any huge robot walker thing like that in WoW that isn't some gnomish invention that has smoke puffing out of it? I think most of these complaints are pointless, most of them are just extra features that don't DAMAGE your ability to play well and that don't hurt the competitive nature of the game at all. They are just things you associate with a previous game (wrongfully) that you don't like and use it as an unreasonable excuse to hate this game.

Blizzard did say they will add things like chat rooms in the future. However, I know for 100% sure that there will be NO LAN in this game. There will also be no cross-regional play, since that is completely incompatible with how the new B.net 0.2 works. Afterall, blizzard wants customers to buy one copy of the game for each of the regions. I myself have a US and EU realm WoW accounts, and they're completely separate and incompatible with one another.


Look at it from their perspective, they ARE a business afterall. Starcraft is one of the most heavily pirated games STILL today, even though it's dirt cheap on shelves, gamers would rather be assholes and steal from them. Why would they want to keep catering to people that don't even play their game. I have yet to have even more than 1/10 of my games be laggy beyond playability, and that was in BETA. Beta is supposed to be shitty, and not feel right, I'm fairly certain that the finished product should be near lanlike play. I agree, LAN would be nice, but it's just not economically viable to companies anymore. They could have done something like steam, but then you would complain about a frontend like steam. All that effort for nothing, when they are already spending so much money to run servers and make them enjoyable for all. And the cross realm argument I agree, there should be seperate realms that are selectable, but again, this causes problems when they are forced to have different prices and pay plans in different countries, causing people to import the game, thus circumventing this.




Therefore, don't expect any significant change for B.net 0.2 as it was in beta, except for addition of chat rooms. Only other differences will be that there will be bunch of extra "paid" features. In fact, they even stated that they planned on monetizing on player-made custom maps. Plus Blizz has reputation of taking months fix even simplest bugs in WoW. Rogue's vanish has been bugged since 2006 and still never been fixed.


What a weird thing to pick out, rogue's vanish? Rogues are the undisputed best PvP class, there is no arguing that, they always have been, and always will be, and even in their worst scenario (BG's) they still kick ass. The vanish bugs have been around, and they still are the most dominant pvp class, the most PLAYED class. And the vanish bugs were numerous and ever since 2006 they have continuously fixed a new bug involving vanish. What a stupid argument to bring up. If you were being fair and intelligent and looking at all the evidence of this situation to bring your case forward you would note all of the bug fixes that blizzard HAS implemented in WoW, which is an ENORMOUS list. Absolutely pointless for me to post, just the point was to expose your obvious one-sided bias in how you post. I agree, DLC maps, not cool, but then again they said they will be higher quality than that of the ever popular DotA, which maybe even half of the sales of the battle chest were just for that game (I know I bought two whole battle chests just for DotA).


Overall, 2008 and onwards blizzard has transformed into another EA like company that nickel dimes the gamers and neglect them completely pretty much. This is why I am going to boycott SC2 and all of the future blizzard products (D3, WoW-cataclysm, etc).

P.S. i will only buy this game if they add LAN and cross server play.

By the way, sign this LAN petition (over 250,000 sigs so far)
http://www.PetitionOnline.com/LANSC2/


I don't believe blizzard has been transformed into an EA-like company, mainly because they still have battle.net support for a game that is 15 years old (War2). Blizzard also treats it's employees very well, whereas EA, does not. Blizzard also treats it's fans well, whereas, EA does not. There are so many examples of this and if you don't know them, I suggest looking up Blizzcon, all of the made for fans merchandise out there, etc...

Basically your post was just a biased rage-rant that was uninformative and uninformed. You are not looking at the evidence that is clearly all over the internet without a filter. You seem to have this intention that Starcraft 2 is WoW'ized, despite it only having parties, and achievements, things that are not characteristically WoW or even MMORPG specific. You seem to claim blizzard is lazy about fixing technical issues, yet within a few months we saw 17 (correct me if I'm wrong please) for the Beta, and a friend of mine was let in the Alpha/Pre-Beta and there were many more patches during that phase as well.

Seriously, go cry to someone else, boycott the game, with the other 200 people, the rest of us 200,000 plus on opening day will buy it happily, and play ladder, get good at the game, and stomp all over someone like you by the time Blizzard convinces you to play.


Just wanted to add in the bug fixes of the first live patch in WoW. JUST the bug fixes.

A bug with bandages has been fixed. Previously, only the lowest rank bandage (Linen Bandage) was working correctly in that it brought up a channeling bar and required you to remain still while bandaging. All of the other bandage types (Heavy Linen through Heavy Runecloth) were working incorrectly, but have been fixed to operate the same way that Linen Bandages do.
Cenarion Vindicators no longer summon Forces of Nature as quickly.
Severed Dreamers no longer summon Nightmares as quickly.
Several elite creatures that were missing their elite tags have been fixed.
Will of the Forsaken is no longer grayed out on the action bar while you are fleeing.
The Emerald Dragon Whelp will assist you when summoned.
Aquatic creatures will no longer eventually teleport to you if you harass them from land.
Undead players will no longer be invisible when they first log in after watching the intro cinematic.
Fixed the rotating animations of the crystals in Un'Goro Crater.
Reginald Windsor's yell can be heard during The Great Masquerade.
Kodos in the Barrens will no longer stomp incessantly while in combat.
The Ward of Laze is now summoned at a more appropriate level, instead of level one.
Some elite creatures in outdoor areas of the world had higher than normal experience modifiers, and were corrected to award the proper amount of experience.
Rare creatures in many of the higher level outdoor zones will now use their appropriate combat abilities.
Autoloot has been fixed to work with skinning.
Fixed durability display on vendor buyback items.
Some creatures in the outdoor world had much less armor than intended. This has been corrected.
A bug causing war stomp to not affect some targets within melee range has been fixed.


Yeah they waste so much time never fixing any bugs srsly. QQ
srsly
LunarC
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States1186 Posts
June 08 2010 17:32 GMT
#193
When I say I'll boycott, I'll boycott. Saying one thing and doing another is one of the worst things a human being can possibly do.
REEBUH!!!
Aberu
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States968 Posts
June 08 2010 17:39 GMT
#194
On June 09 2010 02:32 LunarC wrote:
When I say I'll boycott, I'll boycott. Saying one thing and doing another is one of the worst things a human being can possibly do.


Pretty sure killing, raping, murdering, being complacent, etc... are a lot worse than that. Changing your mind isn't one of the WORST things a human being can POSSIBLY do. Everyone loves to exaggerate on this forum I have noticed.
srsly
beefstew
Profile Joined August 2009
United States43 Posts
June 08 2010 17:40 GMT
#195
Do the people saying activsion owns blizzard know that blizzards past parent company vivendi own 54% of actiblizz stock?

Please stop saying activision owns blizzard. Its more accurate to say vivendi, blizzards owner for some years, now controlls actiblizz.
Aberu
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States968 Posts
June 08 2010 17:41 GMT
#196
On June 09 2010 02:40 beefstew wrote:
Do the people saying activsion owns blizzard know that blizzards past parent company vivendi own 54% of actiblizz stock?

Please stop saying activision owns blizzard. Its more accurate to say vivendi, blizzards owner for some years, now controlls actiblizz.


Well said, this is much more accurate. Stocks determine large scale decisions such as their regional support for the purpose of money much more than activision.
srsly
HOLYCOWBATMAN
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada51 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-08 17:42:45
June 08 2010 17:41 GMT
#197
it is pretty obvious that EVERYONE that care about starcraft will buy SC2 whatever the state of bnet 2.0 is. If you dont buy it because of bnet 2.0 it just means you dont really care about the game itself and you will not be a huge loss to the community. ( The previous statement is dedicated to the PLAYERS, of course if you are a map maker or a modder or whatever else you might be, bnet 2.0 might affect you more and that would be reasonable for you not to buy it because of it but as a dedicated player bnet 2.0 should come AFTER the game itself ). Of course everyone knows the obvious flaws and would like to see them changed... and saying you will 'boycott' sc2 might make you feel like you will change something... but in the end if you care about sc2 you will buy it.
DURRRRRRRRRRRRR
Mentos
Profile Joined August 2003
United Kingdom203 Posts
June 08 2010 17:42 GMT
#198
Fast and efficient matchmaking system and a game thats almost balanced in the beta stages, can't possibly ask for more.
As for chat channels, even if the sc2 goes live w/o them, you can always use irc or something else to create channels dedicated to the game, I don't see the problem really.
Roniii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States289 Posts
June 08 2010 17:44 GMT
#199
why would i boycott a game ive been literally dieing to play for the last 8+ years?
you think as i do
Powda
Profile Joined February 2010
United States116 Posts
June 08 2010 17:48 GMT
#200
On June 08 2010 19:38 jtgizmo wrote:
this thread is slightly silly, 90% of those who go - im not going to buy, will end up buying the game anyway. so whole poll for this topic is mute.



Not true, many will download pirated versions in spite of blizzard.
1a2a3a4a
c.Deadly
Profile Joined March 2010
United States545 Posts
June 08 2010 17:53 GMT
#201
This kind of decision is probably hardest for us as longtime Starcraft and Blizzard fans, and I think it's helpful to think of things with that mindset. I've definitely enjoyed Starcraft 2, and I'll be buying "Wings of Liberty", but I'll have plenty of time to determine whether or not I want to shell out money for the expansions.

If I'm still disappointed in Bnet 2.0 by the time the first expansion pack is out, I won't buy the expansion. I wouldn't expect any of the casual players who haven't followed the game for 3 years of delays, or who didn't even play SC1 to buy it either. The difference between 10 years ago and now (or even 5 years ago) is that there are many more companies releasing quality games. Blizzard can no longer dominate the market with brand name or franchise name alone - they have to actually deliver an exceptional game.
starcraft911
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Korea (South)1263 Posts
June 08 2010 17:53 GMT
#202
I can get past the fact that the game is miles easier than sc1, but no cross realm is pretty retarded. I went from being an A player in SC1 who would get smashed by pro's, to thinking that I could actualy stand a chance against pros (korean pros not foreigners) in sc2. Overall I think that is bad for the competative scene, but oh well, nothing we can do about that.

add in cross realm please otherwise the asia server is going to be overcrowded due to everyone wanting to play against the best competition.
AaronEB
Profile Joined May 2010
United States76 Posts
June 08 2010 17:54 GMT
#203
I don't have many people to play online with. So I preffer the matchmaking system. But it would be better to have chat rooms, and adding friends normally.
I'm pretty sure that if you a drink for everything Day[9] says bejewjaler and baller you will get alcohol poisoning.
HOLYCOWBATMAN
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada51 Posts
June 08 2010 17:54 GMT
#204
On June 09 2010 02:48 Powda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2010 19:38 jtgizmo wrote:
this thread is slightly silly, 90% of those who go - im not going to buy, will end up buying the game anyway. so whole poll for this topic is mute.



Not true, many will download pirated versions in spite of blizzard.


lol........... you realize that the pirated version wont be able to play online right? so i dont see why they would be on this website if they wanted single player only.
DURRRRRRRRRRRRR
MasterFischer
Profile Joined August 2009
Denmark836 Posts
June 08 2010 17:54 GMT
#205
Yeah Boycott the game we been waiting for the past 12 years, and has the potential to be the greatest game in the fucking universe. These posers are just as dumb as the act of even thinking of a boycutt. Which in itself is a gay word.

They will fix the problems with battle.net and they will continue to make SC2 great in the future.

But hey, go ahead and boycutt it, chances are high that we won't miss you scrubs.
WHO is this who speaks to me as though I needed his advice?
In)Spire
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States1323 Posts
June 08 2010 17:55 GMT
#206
Are they really making 3 separate versions for each race?
KULA_u
Profile Joined March 2010
Switzerland107 Posts
June 08 2010 17:57 GMT
#207
I will boycot (=pirate) until they integrate at least some of the wished for bnet functionalities.
Fumble
Profile Joined May 2010
156 Posts
June 08 2010 17:58 GMT
#208
If you are posting on TL forums, your probably the type of person that's gonna buy SC2 regardless of how bad bnet 2.0 is. Im not gonna lie, I hate the dreadful interface and I could make a list of complaints on every aspect of bnet 2.0 and blizzard's greedy ways. However, Im still gonna get it because Im a gamer and SC2 will still be better than majority of other games i've spent money on.

Now that doesnt mean theres no hope to send the message across to blizzard. I have friends that are not too into games but they still might buy the occasional big name games. These type of people will judge whether to buy SC2 or not based solely on the assessment of it by their gamer friends. Would i recommend SC2 to my friends that arent automatically gonna buy a blizzard product? Maybe, if their into RTS games. However probably not because a game with such a hardcore learning curve will need everything to be in sync to make it an enjoyable experience for a casual player. Dumb things such as no chat room and unbearable UMS map selection would make it a hard game to suggest to casual players,
Banelord
Profile Joined June 2010
Denmark4 Posts
June 08 2010 17:58 GMT
#209
Won't buy it. Never.
AaronEB
Profile Joined May 2010
United States76 Posts
June 08 2010 18:00 GMT
#210
Looks pretty cool. The expo is close but still open and I imagine tanks must be a blast on this map.
I'm pretty sure that if you a drink for everything Day[9] says bejewjaler and baller you will get alcohol poisoning.
KillerPlague
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1386 Posts
June 08 2010 18:01 GMT
#211
buyyy! i've only played lan maybe twice in my life for sc1. the only time i used cross realm was to go to the east server and now they are merged. channels will be missed, and most my friends on my sc2 flist were found in the sc1 channels, but i'll live. the single player will be ridiculously awesome and the multi player is intense! this is a must buy game.
Side 1: Why no dominant players with 90% win ratio Side 2: Nerf Side 1
USn
Profile Joined March 2010
United States376 Posts
June 08 2010 18:02 GMT
#212
I'm going to be downloading a pirated version for replays and maybe the single player.

I am not going to buy the game. No interest anymore.
bubusls
Profile Joined March 2010
Romania61 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-08 18:04:45
June 08 2010 18:03 GMT
#213
On June 08 2010 19:34 MorroW wrote:
i would be better player and have better games if i always had high lat on iccup rather than low lat vs foreigners and high vs koreans. so at end of the day its better with a good connection to bnet2 than lan latency imo


That's like running with weights attached to your limbs, you get better training, but if you never get to take them off, you'll never see the improvement. I'm not gonna glue my mouse to the pad now so I can get better by just making it difficult for me. Sure I'm gonna buy the game, but I would love to have that beautiful smooth game like you get when playing qxc's build order tester, or the multitasking trainer.
Could I use the term " lings " to refer to ducklings ?
MadNeSs
Profile Joined March 2007
Denmark1507 Posts
June 08 2010 18:06 GMT
#214
Since I havent even tried the game yet... I think I'll buy it.
DorF
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden961 Posts
June 08 2010 18:18 GMT
#215
lol I don't like the fact that the mods really thinks the game is so good that people actually won't buy it
BW for life !
LittLeD
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden7973 Posts
June 08 2010 18:22 GMT
#216
On June 08 2010 22:50 DarKFoRcE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2010 19:37 killercheebo wrote:
On June 08 2010 19:34 DarKFoRcE wrote:
The gameplay is good, so i'll buy it. I have hopes that bnet 2.0 will improve in the future.


and that is how activision is misleading you. they are exploiting SC1 and blizzard's past good reputation into making fans believe that they will improve bnet 0.2, when in fact they won't. After enough units have been sold and money have been squeezed out of SC2, they will simply stop caring


Maybe thats the case, maybe not, you have no definite proof that that's how it is going to happen. Im sure that i will have lots of fun with SC2 despite the crappy bnet, so i will buy the game.


Wc3 = Proof. They completely stopped caring about Wc3 the minute SC2 was announced.
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DorF
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden961 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-08 18:24:28
June 08 2010 18:23 GMT
#217
it is pretty obvious that EVERYONE that care about starcraft will buy SC2 whatever the state of bnet 2.0 is. If you dont buy it because of bnet 2.0 it just means you dont really care about the game itself and you will not be a huge loss to the community.


True enough , I don't care about the game enough to play it as it is now , I'll w8 and see if it gets good after the xpansions.
BW for life !
Afterhours
Profile Joined March 2010
United States125 Posts
June 08 2010 18:23 GMT
#218


However, none of these are surprising or are anything new to me. I played WoW for years until latest expansions and personally experienced the way blizzard handles things and their policies toward WoW playerbase. They never listen to the community, unless it is a suggestion that can generate them more money. Of all the suggestions and proposed balance changes players posted on forums, only suggestions they accepted were things like paid name change service, paid character server transfer, in game mounts that cost $20, etc.

I


This is absolutely untrue. I dont care what you say. There have been numerous suggestions made on the forums that HAVE been implemented into the game. That is a very broad, painfully wrong, statement...
http://i.imgur.com/pHvpBxx.gif
DefMatrixUltra
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada1992 Posts
June 08 2010 18:27 GMT
#219
There are a lot of crazy arguments and extreme positions here.

I think Starcraft 2 (the game itself) is fantastic and shows how much hard work and care was put into the development. But I also think that Battlenet 2.0 (the platform) is a train wreck. So many little concerning things (my email is available to people that I play against..., no possibility of LAN play, no playing with Euro/Asian friends [I'm in Canada], Facebook integration) add up to one big concern.

In order to protest this, I'm going to buy the game a month or so after it comes out. I love SC2 (the game) but I feel like Bnet 2 (the platform) is a step backward and a slap in the face. I'm one of those guys that was like Day[9] for the longest time in that I trusted Blizzard would make the right calls when it mattered. But Battlenet 2.0 (the experience) has put me off a lot.

I can easily wait a month (or longer) to see whether some of these things get sorted out. I have a very busy life (wife, dog, job) and don't feel the need to play 400 games per week from day 1 to be satisfied with my level of play. I derive lots of entertainment just by watching commentary and thinking deeply about the game.

-------

I think people canceling their pre-orders have already made a difference (visual impact and dollar signs disappearing). There's no need to attack people who feel they should protest the game in some way. If you want to buy the game, buy the game. But if you feel like Blizzard is taking the wrong direction with Bnet 2.0, then there are many ways to express yourself. You don't have to swear off SC2 for ever. That will serve no purpose. You can just delay buying the game by a week or whatever. If you wanna get the game the first day it comes out, just express yourself intelligently on forums.
ilbh
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil1606 Posts
June 08 2010 18:29 GMT
#220
lol @ the title.

come on... I really don't believe someone who liked sc2 will not buy this game...

I will vote 5 stars for SC2 every where. not only because I really liked the game, but I want the more hype possible for it, so we can have a lot of tournaments and stuff
Part of the inhumanity of the computer is that, once it is competently programmed and working smoothly, it is completely honest.
Axonn
Profile Joined April 2010
Croatia287 Posts
June 08 2010 18:33 GMT
#221
Don't have the money to buy this :/
Snowfield
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
1289 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-08 18:34:46
June 08 2010 18:34 GMT
#222
It's the best RTS to come out since starcraft (aka, best RTS to come out in 12 YEARS!) , obviously I'm going to buy it.

edit: i like the new thread name
EleanorRIgby
Profile Joined March 2008
Canada3923 Posts
June 08 2010 18:35 GMT
#223
video game boycotts', just rofl
savior did nothing wrong
Chained
Profile Joined February 2010
United States137 Posts
June 08 2010 18:39 GMT
#224
Really the Poll should of been

Will Buy it
Boycott (heh)
Will wait and see

Im not going to say 95% of the people "boycotting" will end up buying it, but 95% are just waiting and seeing. And the other 5% never planned on buying it anyways.

I know personally, Ill be buying it. I still have a faith it will be fixed, Im not going to rely on it, but I have enough friends who I know will buy it, and will buy it just to have fun.

Also, its ridiculous. Im all for not supporting something you dont like, but doing things like, Openly saying youll pirate the game, calling Bnet 2.0 "0.2" or making stupid pictures, do you guys really think Blizzard will take that as a valid complaint? Its a 5 year old's reaction.... "Youre stupid" "YA WELL YOUR STUPIDEST". I mean seriously? Im just speaking from my own reactions, and quite frankly, Im going to take a well written response over people saying "Im going to pirate the game because Bnet 0.2 is stupid" And really the more people that do it, the more I would take the real criticism lightly...

Im all for complaining, but personally, be smart about it, or just shutup
Kafkaesk
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany140 Posts
June 08 2010 18:47 GMT
#225
I do not believe that even one user who is registred here, will never buy this game ever.
That's just bullshit.
Deleted User 47542
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
1484 Posts
June 08 2010 18:49 GMT
#226
Buy it, give it a one star rating.
green.at
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Austria1459 Posts
June 08 2010 18:50 GMT
#227
On June 09 2010 03:49 superbabosheki wrote:
Buy it, give it a one star rating.

and then shoot yourself in the foot?

i like the game -> i buy the game
Inputting special characters into chat should no longer cause the game to crash.
LimeNade
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2125 Posts
June 08 2010 18:51 GMT
#228
On June 08 2010 19:24 killercheebo wrote:
Poll: Will you buy or boycott StarCraft 2?

Buy (1065)
 
78%

Boycott (308)
 
22%

1373 total votes

Your vote: Will you buy or boycott StarCraft 2?

(Vote): Buy
(Vote): Boycott



I myself also "used to be" a blizzard fan, playing all of the games they have ever released (sc bw, d2, wc3, wow, etc).

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=128252
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=128014

Show nested quote +

In 2008, as reported by Forbes magazine, Robert Kotick received nearly $15 million USD in salary, benefits, options and incentives for his work with Activision Blizzard, of which $899,560 was his actual salary.

Some of his quotes:
"We have a real culture of thrift. The goal that I had in bringing a lot of the packaged goods folks into Activision about 10 years ago was to take all the fun out of making video games."

Kotick later stated he tries to promote an atmosphere of "skepticism, pessimism, and fear" in his company and, "We are very good at keeping people focused on the deep depression."[13]


I've read numerous threads on TL which complained the way blizzard is taking, and their overall policies. I read all of the blue posts, and all of the interviews with the developers.


However, none of these are surprising or are anything new to me. I played WoW for years until latest expansions and personally experienced the way blizzard handles things and their policies toward WoW playerbase. They never listen to the community, unless it is a suggestion that can generate them more money. Of all the suggestions and proposed balance changes players posted on forums, only suggestions they accepted were things like paid name change service, paid character server transfer, in game mounts that cost $20, etc.

I was able to foresee the direction the B.net 0.2 will be taking ever since they forced WoW players into merging their accounts to a new "battle.net account". New b.net 0.2 is exactly like how WoW or other MMORPG servers work. Its definately very un-RTS like. Things like regional locking, "characters (lol?)", parties (SC2 =/= RPG), and achievements (direct ripoff from WoW). I repeat, SC2 is an RTS, not an MMO like WoW. Even their new matchmaking system is completely taken from WoW's arena matchmaking system, which became worse in latest expansion, by the way. Blizzard believes that since WoW made them so much cash, turning SC2 into another WoW would yield them more money. In fact, one of the probable reasons why they are incorporating so much WOW bullshit into SC2 is to attract their vast reservoir of WOW gamers into buying SC2. Remember that tauren marine april fools joke? And lot of the units (roaches, stalker, immortal, etc) looks like those nerubian WC3 / WOW units.

Blizzard did say they will add things like chat rooms in the future. However, I know for 100% sure that there will be NO LAN in this game. There will also be no cross-regional play, since that is completely incompatible with how the new B.net 0.2 works. Afterall, blizzard wants customers to buy one copy of the game for each of the regions. I myself have a US and EU realm WoW accounts, and they're completely separate and incompatible with one another.



Therefore, don't expect any significant change for B.net 0.2 as it was in beta, except for addition of chat rooms. Only other differences will be that there will be bunch of extra "paid" features. In fact, they even stated that they planned on monetizing on player-made custom maps. Plus Blizz has reputation of taking months fix even simplest bugs in WoW. Rogue's vanish has been bugged since 2006 and still never been fixed.


Overall, 2008 and onwards blizzard has transformed into another EA like company that nickel dimes the gamers and neglect them completely pretty much. This is why I am going to boycott SC2 and all of the future blizzard products (D3, WoW-cataclysm, etc).

P.S. i will only buy this game if they add LAN and cross server play.

By the way, sign this LAN petition (over 250,000 sigs so far)
http://www.PetitionOnline.com/LANSC2/




http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=126834

made a very similar post about this a bit ago
JD, need I say more? :D
Skeyser
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada219 Posts
June 08 2010 18:56 GMT
#229
[B]On June 08 2010 19:24 killercheebo wrote:Overall, 2008 and onwards blizzard has transformed into another EA like company that nickel dimes the gamers and neglect them completely pretty much. This is why I am going to boycott SC2 and all of the future blizzard products (D3, WoW-cataclysm, etc).


This is so wrong, comparing Blizzard to fucking EA.

Last time I checked Blizzard are still delivering AAA games.
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5558 Posts
June 08 2010 18:56 GMT
#230
On June 09 2010 03:39 Chained wrote:
Really the Poll should of been

Will Buy it
Boycott (heh)
Will wait and see

Im not going to say 95% of the people "boycotting" will end up buying it, but 95% are just waiting and seeing. And the other 5% never planned on buying it anyways.

I know personally, Ill be buying it. I still have a faith it will be fixed, Im not going to rely on it, but I have enough friends who I know will buy it, and will buy it just to have fun.

Also, its ridiculous. Im all for not supporting something you dont like, but doing things like, Openly saying youll pirate the game, calling Bnet 2.0 "0.2" or making stupid pictures, do you guys really think Blizzard will take that as a valid complaint? Its a 5 year old's reaction.... "Youre stupid" "YA WELL YOUR STUPIDEST". I mean seriously? Im just speaking from my own reactions, and quite frankly, Im going to take a well written response over people saying "Im going to pirate the game because Bnet 0.2 is stupid" And really the more people that do it, the more I would take the real criticism lightly...

Im all for complaining, but personally, be smart about it, or just shutup


Well, your analysis is wrong.

I intended to buy it but will definitely not buy it unless they fix most of the issues.
Go0g3n
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Russian Federation410 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-08 19:14:38
June 08 2010 19:02 GMT
#231
Not buying is the only comprehensive form of delivering the message to Blizzard or any developer. Worked on Activision, they already announced next CoD to have dedicated servers. Worked on EA, they are completely reworking they development cycles to make better games, releasing them every 2-2.5 years instead of every 13 months. Worked on Bioware to do away with micro-transactions in the upcoming SW:TOR. Probably gonna work on Ubi as well to ditch their protection system which turned out to be useless.

StarCraft II is shaping up to be a good interesting game, if it happens to not have the required features, players sure as hell will find out to how to make stuff happen, then you'll get pirated servers registered in Laos, eventually resulting in iCCup 2.0: a service that will be offering a multi-regional play, better ladder system, all the communicational features, regularly updated and modified map pools, more or less decent counter-abuse measures and everything you expect from the game of this caliber, - and all of that without "Blizzard must be notified of any commercial and sponsored tournament" and "All personal information can be shared by Blizzard..." and so on.
HTFU
Profile Joined June 2010
Ireland1 Post
June 08 2010 19:05 GMT
#232
Wait a minute, I've seen that before.

http://www.full-metal-jacket.net/dzcp/inc/tinymce_files/modern_warfare_2_boykott.jpg
Archerofaiur
Profile Joined August 2008
United States4101 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-08 19:06:48
June 08 2010 19:06 GMT
#233
On June 09 2010 04:05 HTFU wrote:
Wait a minute, I've seen that before.

http://www.full-metal-jacket.net/dzcp/inc/tinymce_files/modern_warfare_2_boykott.jpg



Wait no Ive seen that before

http://www.joystiq.com/2010/05/15/call-of-duty-black-ops-to-feature-dedicated-pc-servers/
http://sclegacy.com/news/28-scl/250-starcraftlegacy-macro-theorycrafting-contest-winners
Skeyser
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada219 Posts
June 08 2010 19:08 GMT
#234
On June 09 2010 04:06 Archerofaiur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2010 04:05 HTFU wrote:
Wait a minute, I've seen that before.

http://www.full-metal-jacket.net/dzcp/inc/tinymce_files/modern_warfare_2_boykott.jpg



Wait no Ive seen that before

http://www.joystiq.com/2010/05/15/call-of-duty-black-ops-to-feature-dedicated-pc-servers/


You can't compare no dedicated servers to no lan or chat rooms.

No dedicated servers on a PC shooter is the most retarded thing possible, it's the equivalent of making it so you can't make custom games in SC.
Jalex
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom35 Posts
June 08 2010 19:08 GMT
#235
Of course I'm going to buy the game. And despite its current shortcomings, I am positive the game will sell extraordinarily well, making a 'boycott' totally futile.
Half
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2554 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-08 19:18:06
June 08 2010 19:09 GMT
#236
Theirs so much knee jerking in this OP that I can't even begin to address it.

There are many valid reasons to boycott Starcraft 2. The present lack of chat channels for one.The ones the OP presents are terrible.

I'd just like to point out calling Blizzard "Blizzard Activision" is blatant sensationalism. Blizzard Entertainment is an independent subsidiary of "Activision Blizzard". It would be as illogical and irrelevent as calling "Activision Blizzard" "Vivendi SA".
Too Busy to Troll!
Takkara
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2503 Posts
June 08 2010 19:10 GMT
#237
Every time a developer changes course in development:
- If people like it it's "the developer caves to community pressure"
- If people hate it it's "the developer just ignores it's customers"

Sometimes the community both understates and overstates it's power. You can bring items to the top of Blizz's docket, but you can't force them to change their mind. It's not that we don't have power, but we don't get to design their games. Sometimes we do come up with good ideas that they end up liking and using, but we can't force them to do something they don't want to do just to "shut us up."
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shalafi
Profile Joined July 2008
394 Posts
June 08 2010 19:11 GMT
#238
I won't really boycott it, I just won't buy it because I'm not that interested.

I'm interested in SC2 as much as in DoW2 or CoH. I'll buy it on the first price drop.
Lugus
Profile Joined March 2010
United States22 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-08 19:16:06
June 08 2010 19:15 GMT
#239
Boycotting is pointless. For every one person who says they're taking a stance by not buying SC2, 20 others will gladly buy. It's how the market works. Blizzard will still make massive profits from the game.
Half
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2554 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-08 19:17:01
June 08 2010 19:16 GMT
#240
However, none of these are surprising or are anything new to me. I played WoW for years until latest expansions and personally experienced the way blizzard handles things and their policies toward WoW playerbase. They never listen to the community, unless it is a suggestion that can generate them more money. Of all the suggestions and proposed balance changes players posted on forums, only suggestions they accepted were things like paid name change service, paid character server transfer, in game mounts that cost $20, etc.


Every single change we see today is the result of listening to the community. Perhaps what you mean is "Blizzard never listens to me". I can find you multiple 10+ page threads of people suggesting the 3rd expansion should be a return to azeroth, a 20+ page thread about how increasing levels by 10 every expansion is unsustainable, about dividing raids into 10 and 25 man versions, and of having 10 and 25 mode versions of raids have an independent "normal" and "heroic" modes activatable by some menu.

I can even find you a 12+ page thread suggesting that blizzard sell vanity items for cash.

I played WoW for a year and quit.
Too Busy to Troll!
samalie
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada87 Posts
June 08 2010 19:17 GMT
#241
I know I posted my own poll on this once, but I'll add my opinion to the pile. Keep in mind, this is my opinion only.

tl:dr
The BNet2 changes suck for the best/elite/pro scene, but are perfect for the casual gamer, which makes up a huge percentage of the market for this game, and we here at TL have a high percentage of top players, which skews the polled opinions of BNet2 negatively compared to the average gamer.


SC2 (as far as we've seen) is fucking beautiful. Keep in mind, I'm specifically referencing the game here, and not BNet2. I've enjoyed every single match I've played, even if some cheezing noob pissed me off at the time. The balance is good (not perfect, but good) and the overal quality of the game so far has been, in my opinion, top notch & reminiscent of the Blizzard of lore.

Now, on to BNet2. We all know the list of things that have everyone pissed off...no LAN, no xrealm, no chat rooms. And you/we are right...the loss of these functions sucks hard, even if for me personally they don't mean shit. I'll never use LAN, I hate open chatrooms (look at general on every server in WoW...open chat can go to hell), and x-realm doesn't matter in the slightest to me as I'm nowhere near a high enough level of play to care how I compare with asian players.

But I understand and I'm not stupid...these features are critically important to the pro e-sports scene. If I had to guess, and this is of course only a guess, chatrooms will come "soon", LAN never will, and x-realm will end up being available for a fee, probably a monthly recurring fee (which is so beyond wrong if they go that route, but I'll be suprised if they add x-realm without a fee).

The question here poised...will you boycott. My answer...no way. As a "casual" player, which what, 98% of Blizzard's market probably is, the game and BNet2 are fine. There will be probably one of the best, if not the best, single player campaigns ever put together in a RTS, and BNet2 is exceptionally well put together for the guy that just wants to jump on & play against another person that roughly matches up to their own skill level. It is a beautiful system in that regard.

As well, and we can debate this till the cows come home, but Blizzard is renown for taking care of their shit, and fixing issues. Even with the money-grubbing Activision at the helm, Blizzard still puts out quality every time...but it is obvious as well that Blizzard is going with a casual-market-friendly approach to their titles.

Again, IMHO, 99% of the people bitching about SC2/BNet"0.2" are the elite of the elite - or, with all due respect, at least you fucking think you are, and you're mad that the game is more approachable for everyone. Again too, I'm not saying that there shouldn't be chatrooms or x-realm play or even LAN...but that its only a select few that really care about it.

THink about it for a second...I know I'm a noob to TL, but how many of you threatening to personally boycott are high-level players? Shit, I bet based on my prior reading that like 90% of the people here are plat/diamond players (or at least claim to be), which is NOT in any way indicative of the majority...which is why we have a 23% rate on this poll not planning to buy the game.

Regardless, I won't mock anyone for buying or not buying the game...its always your decision as to what you spend your $ on...if the BNet2 changes make the game crap to you, then don't buy it. Its OK. Do what you want to do
AeonStrife
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States918 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-08 19:28:29
June 08 2010 19:19 GMT
#242
I AM SICK OF THESE KIND OF THREADS. But I will tell you that I am a fan of Blizzard and its Starcraft franchise. I will buy doubt all the drama because I am a fan. Why? Its like watching a another new Terminator or a Alien Vs Predator movie. You heard skepticism, ratings, and rumors, etc etc of how this movie is not up to par to its predecessors. You know what? I don't care! I was a fan of the franchises when I was a kid and it gave me great memories! You know its going to suck, and yet at the same time, you know it may have potential!

This SC2 stuff is the same. All the drama with chat room, LAN, cross realm, and etc etc. It doesn't matter to those who were fans of the franchise, because we're still going to buy it. As a fan, you feel obligated to do it. If you are truly a fan of Blizzard and the Starcraft franchise, you will too. All the drama stuff will eventually iron itself out.

Please close this thread. rantrantrant
Whats worse...US Poltics or SC2 Balance Talks...
bobq
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States136 Posts
June 08 2010 19:20 GMT
#243
Not sure who changed the thread title, but it's pretty awesome, and probably mostly true.
Go0g3n
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Russian Federation410 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-08 19:23:10
June 08 2010 19:22 GMT
#244
On June 09 2010 04:19 JohnUCrazy wrote:
I AM SICK OF THESE KIND OF THREADS. But I will tell you that I am a fan of Blizzard and its Starcraft franchise. I will buy doubt all the drama because I am a fan. Why? Its like watching a another new Terminator or a Alien Vs Predator movie. You heard skepticism, ratings, and rumors, etc etc of how this movie is not up to par to its predecessors. You know what? I don't care! I was a fan of the franchises when I was a kid and it gave me great memories! You know its going to suck, and yet at the same time, you know it may have potential!

This SC2 stuff is the same. All the drama with chat room, LAN, cross realm, and etc etc. It doesn't matter to those who were fans of the franchise, because we're still going to buy it. As a fan, you feel obligated to do it. If you are truly a fan of Blizzard and the Starcraft franchise, you will too. All the drama stuff will eventually iron itself out.

Please close this thread.


You're confusing fans with fanboys [read: retards (in a way)]
danl9rm
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States3111 Posts
June 08 2010 19:23 GMT
#245
On June 09 2010 04:08 Skeyser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2010 04:06 Archerofaiur wrote:
On June 09 2010 04:05 HTFU wrote:
Wait a minute, I've seen that before.

http://www.full-metal-jacket.net/dzcp/inc/tinymce_files/modern_warfare_2_boykott.jpg



Wait no Ive seen that before

http://www.joystiq.com/2010/05/15/call-of-duty-black-ops-to-feature-dedicated-pc-servers/


You can't compare no dedicated servers to no lan or chat rooms.

No dedicated servers on a PC shooter is the most retarded thing possible, it's the equivalent of making it so you can't make custom games in SC.


actually, not having custom games wouldn't even be as bad.
"Science has so well established that the preborn baby in the womb is a living human being that most pro-choice activists have conceded the point. ..since the abortion proponents have lost the science argument, they are now advocating an existential one."
Skeyser
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada219 Posts
June 08 2010 19:24 GMT
#246
[B]On June 08 2010 19:24 killercheebo wrote:
However, none of these are surprising or are anything new to me. I played WoW for years until latest expansions and personally experienced the way blizzard handles things and their policies toward WoW playerbase. They never listen to the community, unless it is a suggestion that can generate them more money. Of all the suggestions and proposed balance changes players posted on forums, only suggestions they accepted were things like paid name change service, paid character server transfer, in game mounts that cost $20, etc.


You do realize that they charge for name changes/server transfers because if it was free people would exploit it, right?

Go0g3n
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Russian Federation410 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-08 19:29:33
June 08 2010 19:27 GMT
#247
On June 09 2010 04:24 Skeyser wrote:
Show nested quote +
[B]On June 08 2010 19:24 killercheebo wrote:
However, none of these are surprising or are anything new to me. I played WoW for years until latest expansions and personally experienced the way blizzard handles things and their policies toward WoW playerbase. They never listen to the community, unless it is a suggestion that can generate them more money. Of all the suggestions and proposed balance changes players posted on forums, only suggestions they accepted were things like paid name change service, paid character server transfer, in game mounts that cost $20, etc.


You do realize that they charge for name changes/server transfers because if it was free people would exploit it, right?



You do realize that they could just introduce a one month per transfer/change cooldown, right? It is and was pretty common btw, at least 10 MMOs had that transfer/rename feature.
Warrior Madness
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada3791 Posts
June 08 2010 19:30 GMT
#248
I love how before the beta went down the poll results were flipped upside down with about 80% of the people voting that they would not buy the game.
The Past: Yellow, Julyzerg, Chojja, Savior, GGplay -- The Present: Luxury, Jae- The Future: -Dong, maGma, Zero, Effort, Hoejja, hyvaa, by.hero, calm, Action ---> SC2 (Ret?? Kolll Idra!! SEN, Cool, ZergBong, Leenock)
snpnx
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany454 Posts
June 08 2010 19:30 GMT
#249
I will buy the original game. But if they're not improving the Bnet and it's predictable that it'll fail as an competitive game after release, I won't buy the expansions
"Language is Freeware, in that it's free to use, but it's not Open Source, so you can't just change things how you like."
Chained
Profile Joined February 2010
United States137 Posts
June 08 2010 19:35 GMT
#250
On June 09 2010 03:56 maybenexttime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2010 03:39 Chained wrote:
Really the Poll should of been

Will Buy it
Boycott (heh)
Will wait and see

Im not going to say 95% of the people "boycotting" will end up buying it, but 95% are just waiting and seeing. And the other 5% never planned on buying it anyways.

I know personally, Ill be buying it. I still have a faith it will be fixed, Im not going to rely on it, but I have enough friends who I know will buy it, and will buy it just to have fun.

Also, its ridiculous. Im all for not supporting something you dont like, but doing things like, Openly saying youll pirate the game, calling Bnet 2.0 "0.2" or making stupid pictures, do you guys really think Blizzard will take that as a valid complaint? Its a 5 year old's reaction.... "Youre stupid" "YA WELL YOUR STUPIDEST". I mean seriously? Im just speaking from my own reactions, and quite frankly, Im going to take a well written response over people saying "Im going to pirate the game because Bnet 0.2 is stupid" And really the more people that do it, the more I would take the real criticism lightly...

Im all for complaining, but personally, be smart about it, or just shutup


Well, your analysis is wrong.

I intended to buy it but will definitely not buy it unless they fix most of the issues.


Im pretty sure this fits under "wait and see"....
Darpinion
Profile Joined January 2010
United States210 Posts
June 08 2010 19:36 GMT
#251
Already purchased. I'll buy every Blizzard game until my carpal tunnel is too bad to play.
"A well formulated question is more important than the answer." -Albert Einstein
Darpinion
Profile Joined January 2010
United States210 Posts
June 08 2010 19:37 GMT
#252
Oh, and for those of you that think the game is broken and what not forget how broken SC was when it came out and how broken BW was when it came out. It took them several patches to fix both of those games. Just have patience.
"A well formulated question is more important than the answer." -Albert Einstein
Coraz
Profile Joined May 2010
United States252 Posts
June 08 2010 19:38 GMT
#253
Not buying
Dr. Stan is my hero ((: - http://www.soundwaves2000.com/radio_liberty/
RiGun
Profile Joined February 2010
Argentina155 Posts
June 08 2010 19:40 GMT
#254
I want to buy it, but it's too expensive to buy the full version in Argentina, so I'll wait a little until the price goes down.
SilentCrono
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1420 Posts
June 08 2010 19:41 GMT
#255
already bought it. preordered from gamestop.
♞ Your soul will forever be lost in the void of a horse. ♞
Skeyser
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada219 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-08 19:46:10
June 08 2010 19:41 GMT
#256
On June 09 2010 04:27 Go0g3n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2010 04:24 Skeyser wrote:
[B]On June 08 2010 19:24 killercheebo wrote:
However, none of these are surprising or are anything new to me. I played WoW for years until latest expansions and personally experienced the way blizzard handles things and their policies toward WoW playerbase. They never listen to the community, unless it is a suggestion that can generate them more money. Of all the suggestions and proposed balance changes players posted on forums, only suggestions they accepted were things like paid name change service, paid character server transfer, in game mounts that cost $20, etc.


You do realize that they charge for name changes/server transfers because if it was free people would exploit it, right?



You do realize that they could just introduce a one month per transfer/change cooldown, right? It is and was pretty common btw, at least 10 MMOs had that transfer/rename feature.


Man you're so smart, but that wouldn't change anything, people would still transfer en masse to the popular servers and turn the others into ghost towns. Ninjas would get pretty bad too with free name changes.
LegendaryZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1583 Posts
June 08 2010 19:47 GMT
#257
I think I'll wait to see how they address the issues they're facing before making a decision. For me, it's really important that a game have a strong community feel to it, which Starcraft 2 currently does not have due to the issues with B.Net 2.0. Without that, I know that Starcraft 2 will simply go the way of other games I thought were decent but could never get into such as the Age of Empires series...
Spiffeh
Profile Joined May 2010
United States830 Posts
June 08 2010 19:49 GMT
#258
I still have hope they're going to surprise us, if not immediately, then within the next year or so with content patches.

It's a great game already, regardless.
Smikis
Profile Joined April 2010
Lithuania117 Posts
June 08 2010 19:53 GMT
#259
depends if they deliver promised bnet 2.0 fixes.. when beta returns.. if its still ugly, slow, laggy, crashy.. and with 0 new features.. i wont.. ill probably buy when the price drop.. and real ums will be available
Darkren
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1841 Posts
June 08 2010 19:54 GMT
#260
Sry but for my part i consider your thread bs and a bunch of QQ from an angry fanboy



In 2008, as reported by Forbes magazine, Robert Kotick received nearly $15 million USD in salary, benefits, options and incentives for his work with Activision Blizzard, of which $899,560 was his actual salary.


If youve been following Activision for a long time like your post seems to want us believe than you would know that Kotick is not in the position of power he was in 2008, GH is bombing hard as a major franchise, Their main team for CoD has left them and is suing them for money and hopening a new studio, Hes under heat by alot of people for how he runs the buisness and alot of third party stuff put out by Activision bombed really hard.




Some of his quotes:
"We have a real culture of thrift. The goal that I had in bringing a lot of the packaged goods folks into Activision about 10 years ago was to take all the fun out of making video games."

Kotick later stated he tries to promote an atmosphere of "skepticism, pessimism, and fear" in his company and, "We are very good at keeping people focused on the deep depression."[13]




U know the compagny reanamed itself ActivionBlizzard when they merged, hint by the name Activision doesn't have any power over Blizzard as they dont have any power over Activision, you guys all say that Activision is pulling the string yet they dont have the power to do so, if Activision proposes something then Blizzard must accept





I've read numerous threads on TL which complained the way blizzard is taking, and their overall policies. I read all of the blue posts, and all of the interviews with the developers.




The game isn't even out yet, how would you know what would happen in the future and yet more how Blizzard intends to run the game.


However, none of these are surprising or are anything new to me. I played WoW for years until latest expansions and personally experienced the way blizzard handles things and their policies toward WoW playerbase. They never listen to the community, unless it is a suggestion that can generate them more money. Of all the suggestions and proposed balance changes players posted on forums, only suggestions they accepted were things like paid name change service, paid character server transfer, in game mounts that cost $20, etc.



I dont play WoW, so i can't really comment this section, but their is one thing you have to understand blancing and making fun an RTS and a MMORPG is 2 completely different things that have no bearing one with the other. I believe it's much harder to balance WoW than SC2





I was able to foresee the direction the B.net 0.2 will be taking ever since they forced WoW players into merging their accounts to a new "battle.net account". New b.net 0.2 is exactly like how WoW or other MMORPG servers work. Its definately very un-RTS like.



Really? Let's examine your points.


Things like regional locking, "characters (lol?)"


? I don't even understand this point it makes no sense.



parties (SC2 =/= RPG),


Yea Wc3 had those, and their very usefull and facilitate the game, the whole RPG thing doesn't even make any sense in the equation.


and achievements (direct ripoff from WoW).


Infact their a direct ripoff from Xbox live which made them popular. Second thing no matter how hard it is to conceive Blizzard has more fans to please then the TL community and those are the casual fans who care more about facebook integration and achievements than some weird balance patch. Once those are in Blizzard can focus on the balance and both of them dont require alot of work from blizzard. Facebook integration requires battlenet to log onto facebook and adds friends to your list (WHOOOOO THEY MUST HAVE SPENT ALOT OF TIME ON THAT RIGHT TL?) and achievements are little icons that have a signal sent by the game after X task is complete.


Even their new matchmaking system is completely taken from WoW's arena matchmaking system, which became worse in latest expansion


Again i don't play WoW but i dont get once they add Proleague and the option for top players to see universall ranking (which they said they will do later) how it won't be much better than ICCUP ladder.



, by the way. Blizzard believes that since WoW made them so much cash, turning SC2 into another WoW would yield them more money.
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Yea or maybe they realize that making WoW a quality product with constant big free update patches made them alot of fans and alot of money.



In fact, one of the probable reasons why they are incorporating so much WOW bullshit into SC2 is to attract their vast reservoir of WOW gamers into buying SC2. Remember that tauren marine april fools joke? And lot of the units (roaches, stalker, immortal, etc) looks like those nerubian WC3 / WOW units.



Yea Wc3 had tauren before WoW so ur argument is flawed and even if you see it in that way WC3 had a hidden hydralisk which to your theory was a mischievious plan and not a joke/referance to old games. Also for all those units only the stalker could be said to look like fiends but all the rest doesn't make any sense whatsoever



Blizzard did say they will add things like chat rooms in the future. However, I know for 100% sure that there will be NO LAN in this game



Yes and that for me isn't really Blizzard fault the whole gaming community has been hacking for the last 20 years and making money off it. Do you really think we could get away for free with that? We pay with no Lan


. There will also be no cross-regional play, since that is completely incompatible with how the new B.net 0.2 works. Afterall, blizzard wants customers to buy one copy of the game for each of the regions. I myself have a US and EU realm WoW accounts, and they're completely separate and incompatible with one another.


This is so stupid for an argument. Ok so the top players buy the game 3 times, and the expansion, thats 6 extra games per top player that is competitive. Let's exagerate and say theirs 10 000 of those people for starcraft 2, that's 60 000 more copies sold. Sadly with your stupid argument ESPSORT is gonna take a fucking huge hit and seing how Esport is the reason that SC1 sold millions and millions more post launch i dont think they would do that as they have the example of SC1 in their faces.



Therefore, don't expect any significant change for B.net 0.2 as it was in beta, except for addition of chat rooms. Only other differences will be that there will be bunch of extra "paid" features. In fact, they even stated that they planned on monetizing on player-made custom maps
.



Again your hearing by one ear and deforming with your mouth, premium maps are not force if a person has put hours and wants to get paid a small fee for it then yes he will be able to, and if he wants to put it free he can also do that. If no one likes the system no one will pay and then no one will have any reason to put any maps on the premium service.



Plus Blizz has reputation of taking months fix even simplest bugs in WoW. Rogue's vanish has been bugged since 2006 and still never been fixed.



Your saying that SC2 is not a MMO well i agree with you, therefore it doesn't nearly have the same amout of bugs. Also how many bugs does D2, WC3, SC1 have? and how much does SC2 have?


Overall, 2008 and onwards blizzard has transformed into another EA like company that nickel dimes the gamers and neglect them completely pretty much. This is why I am going to boycott SC2 and all of the future blizzard products (D3, WoW-cataclysm, etc).

P.S. i will only buy this game if they add LAN and cross server play.

By the way, sign this LAN petition (over 250,000 sigs so far)
http://www.PetitionOnline.com/LANSC2/
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I have no problem if you see something wrong with SC2 and want to boycott it but don't invent stupid reason to make you feel better
"Yeah, I send (hopefully) helpful PM's quite frequently. You don't have to warn/ban everything" - KadaverBB
SichuanPanda
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada1542 Posts
June 08 2010 19:56 GMT
#261
I will definitely be buying, despite how much I hate the new Bnet, I love the game play too much to boycott it just because the service isn't the best, I'd like to think Blizzard will release something in the future to fix some of the problem with Bnet 2.0.
i-bonjwa
dhe95
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1213 Posts
June 08 2010 19:58 GMT
#262
On June 09 2010 04:30 snpnx wrote:
I will buy the original game. But if they're not improving the Bnet and it's predictable that it'll fail as an competitive game after release, I won't buy the expansions

Oh don't worry, the two expansions will fix everything that you want to be fixed.

Then you'll buy the two expansions and find out they did absolutely nothing you wanted them to do.
makoplux
Profile Joined April 2010
88 Posts
June 08 2010 19:58 GMT
#263
Thank god no good players will be boycotting the game. Not a single one of you will be missed. I have to wonder if the same part of your brain that makes you unnecessarily bitter towards Blizzard is the part that controls your inability to be good at it.

Seriously guys.... both Starcraft II itself and BNet2.0 are in beta. I can only assume that Diablo III will also run on BNet2.0 and so Blizzard obviously has the intentions of developing it for quite some time. You're going to boycott Stracraft II because of some ridiculous standards you had envisioned for it that aren't being met? It's as though you feel like Blizzard is indebted to you and you've been violated in some way. News Flash: If anyone is in debt here it's us. Blizzard has consistently made AMAZING game experiences for us for over a decade. Now it appears they're either a) not quite meeting your social expectations on BNet or b) just haven't gotten around to it yet and you are boycotting their game? This does nothing more than make you all look like whining, crying, spoiled children who can't believe they're not being given everything EXACTLY the way they want it.

The least you can do if you're going to boycott the game is not talk about it so much. You're poisoning forums which are otherwise an enjoyable experience.
who is john galt?
QibingZero
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
2611 Posts
June 08 2010 20:09 GMT
#264
Cool. A condescending thread title to go along with the surplus of condescending posters in this thread that find it impossible to believe that someone might actually *gasp* not like SC2.
Oh, my eSports
danbel1005
Profile Joined February 2008
United States1319 Posts
June 08 2010 20:11 GMT
#265
Already pre-order SC2 Collector Edition.
"EE HAN TIMING" Jaedong vs Stork [22 December, 2007] 2set @ Finals EVER OSL.
LegendaryZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1583 Posts
June 08 2010 20:22 GMT
#266
On June 09 2010 04:58 makopluxx wrote:
Thank god no good players will be boycotting the game. Not a single one of you will be missed. I have to wonder if the same part of your brain that makes you unnecessarily bitter towards Blizzard is the part that controls your inability to be good at it.

Seriously guys.... both Starcraft II itself and BNet2.0 are in beta. I can only assume that Diablo III will also run on BNet2.0 and so Blizzard obviously has the intentions of developing it for quite some time. You're going to boycott Stracraft II because of some ridiculous standards you had envisioned for it that aren't being met? It's as though you feel like Blizzard is indebted to you and you've been violated in some way. News Flash: If anyone is in debt here it's us. Blizzard has consistently made AMAZING game experiences for us for over a decade. Now it appears they're either a) not quite meeting your social expectations on BNet or b) just haven't gotten around to it yet and you are boycotting their game? This does nothing more than make you all look like whining, crying, spoiled children who can't believe they're not being given everything EXACTLY the way they want it.

The least you can do if you're going to boycott the game is not talk about it so much. You're poisoning forums which are otherwise an enjoyable experience.


So in your opinion, what exactly would be a good reason to boycott the game? I don't see why you feel we're indebted to Blizzard for anything. We're the ones buying the games and paying their salaries to make those games. I don't thank a restaurant for giving me good food when I'm paying for it... That's just stupid. If Blizzard wants our money, they need to give us what we want. It's as simple as that. I'm not going to buy a car with problems that make it unsuitable to me hoping that the manufacturer will eventually get around to fixing it. Why would I buy a game I'm not satisfied with hoping that the problems I have with it will eventually get addressed sometimes down the future after I've already spend $60+ for it? It makes no sense. If you're not satisfied with a product as it is, I think that's as good a reason as any not to purchase it. Also keep in mind that what may not be a big problem for you may certainly be a major issue for someone else. I don't think it's fair to accuse them of having "ridiculous" expectations since there's really no standard by which to compare these things. Who's to say that your expectations are not just "ridiculously low"?

Another thing to note is that not everyone shares your opinion that Blizzard has consistently made amazing game experiences for us for over a decade. Blizzard has made some good games, but has had little to do with creating a great in-game experience for users. It's largely been the community and third parties that have taken Blizzard's games and bumped it up to the next level without any contribution from Blizzard. Left to Blizzard alone, Starcraft and Warcraft 3 would both be long gone and forgotten by now or right alongside Diablo 2 in the "played only by hackers, abusers, exploiters, and bots" category of games. In terms of the in-game experience, WGT, PGT, and ICCup have contributed way more to the quality of the player experience than Blizzard ever has.

Forums exist for discussion and not everyone is going to have the same opinion. If you have a serious problem with reading complaints, either don't read them or stay far away from the internet. Where there's people, there will be complaints. It's unavoidable. I would take a forum where both sides can speak their minds over a forum where nobody is allowed to say anything negative at all because censorship is what really "poisons" a forum in my opinion.
RageKage-KAD
Profile Joined May 2010
United States10 Posts
June 08 2010 20:23 GMT
#267
I've never participated in a LAN, I always got pissed at people playing in USWest who didn't live there, and the only reason I care about chat rooms is because me and my friend have been meeting in "cityhall" for 7 or 8 years now.

Nothing will stop me from buying this game.
Put a donk on it!
Madkipz
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Norway1643 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-08 20:38:57
June 08 2010 20:24 GMT
#268
On June 09 2010 04:58 makopluxx wrote:
ITS BETA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111.


what you see will be what you get at sc2 release. Its not finished, yet sc2 was delayed for a very long time because of bnet 2.0.

It makes you wonder what they spent their time doing when all you get is facebook integration and everything that made RTS a community is gone. There are several people, who have voiced their oppinions and made well thought out arguments for why bnet sux and if it is not fixed it will be detrimental to the overall online experience.

Come release i will not buy the game.

edit: I will buy it later, but even withholding your money for a month will reduce blizzards copies sold at release % and if enough people do not jump at the released game instantly like hungry dogs cheering blizzards name furthermore proving that you can do WHAT THE FUCK YOU WANT with your game as long as you sugarcoat it with a popular brand. Companies will simply keep doing it untill the consumer base says STOP. it dosnt work the opposite way, because as long as their game hits a record high sales rate they will be able to call it a success.
"Mudkip"
Ronald_McD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada807 Posts
June 08 2010 20:30 GMT
#269
I can see it now:
Chat rooms now in B.net 2.0
The catch?
You have to pay for them!

Bnet 2 is a big smelly turd.
It has some nice graphical improvements and matchmaking
But I seriously think they took out more than they kept in the game platform that is Bnet

However, I'm going to be buying StarCraft 2 for the game, not Bnet2.0. If there was any way to play it on some kind of other platform, I would totally do it.
FUCKING GAY LAGS
Wedge
Profile Joined March 2008
Canada580 Posts
June 08 2010 20:33 GMT
#270
While I like many hate the way B.net is shaping up, there is absolutely no chance that I dont buy SC2. I mean, I've been waiting for this game forever, its literally my most anticipated game of all time. Blizzard's got me, and they know it.
QueueQueue
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada1000 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-08 20:36:17
June 08 2010 20:35 GMT
#271
On June 09 2010 05:24 Madkipz wrote:
It makes you wonder what they spent their time doing when all you get is facebook integration



People need to stop complaining about them "allocating time" to facebook integration. The facebook infrastructure allows for ease of pulling data from it. The only thing their facebook integration did was pull e-mails from the database. It so ridiculously simple that any one with any programming experience whatsoever can do it in SO little time. They added it because it was something simple that could be done in so little time.
bokchoi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Korea (South)9498 Posts
June 08 2010 20:44 GMT
#272
I don't agree with the direction BNET 2.0 and Blizzard are taking, but the game is still a lot of fun and I enjoy playing it. I pre-ordered awhile back, so, yes, I'm buying it.
LegendaryZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1583 Posts
June 08 2010 20:48 GMT
#273
On June 09 2010 05:35 QueueQueue wrote:
People need to stop complaining about them "allocating time" to facebook integration. The facebook infrastructure allows for ease of pulling data from it. The only thing their facebook integration did was pull e-mails from the database. It so ridiculously simple that any one with any programming experience whatsoever can do it in SO little time. They added it because it was something simple that could be done in so little time.


I think it's similar to the feeling a person would get if they loaned you money because you were struggling financially and saw you go out and buy a 55" TV before you've totally paid them back. Even if the two issues are not necessarily related, it just sends the wrong impression and Blizzard should have known better...
Grend
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
1600 Posts
June 08 2010 21:09 GMT
#274
If you do not like the game to such an extent that you intend to "boycott" it (Or not buy something because you have other priorities as it really is), then why post about it in the SC2 part of the forum? You sort of opted out of the whole deal if you arent planning on buying it, and I`m fairly sure most people do not care about the fact that you will not buy the game.
♞ Against the Wind - Bob Seger ♞
Coraz
Profile Joined May 2010
United States252 Posts
June 08 2010 21:09 GMT
#275
Im not buying it because they took out units like lurkers to force us to buy additional $50 expansions

I'll buy sc2 battlechest for $40 in 3 years maybe
Dr. Stan is my hero ((: - http://www.soundwaves2000.com/radio_liberty/
tipakee
Profile Joined April 2010
United States127 Posts
June 08 2010 21:18 GMT
#276
Im buying the collector's edition, i actually value the game at well over 150$ in its current state tho.

Also quit all the complaining on the forums. Blizzard's main intention is to make money (just like every other publicly traded company), not to make good games. Good games just happens to be the method blizzard chooses to make there money.
DeCoup
Profile Joined September 2006
Australia1933 Posts
June 08 2010 21:19 GMT
#277
Epic thread rename hahaha. <3 the mods
"Poor guy. I really did not deserve that win. So this is what it's like to play Protoss..." - IdrA
SchumyGR
Profile Joined May 2010
Greece19 Posts
June 08 2010 21:22 GMT
#278
Agree with the thread title its Win-Win...
sneaky.waechter
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3 Posts
June 08 2010 21:27 GMT
#279
With the current BNet 2.0 issues I won't be buying it. It'd feel wrong to buy SC2 when it's trying so hard to screw me over.
lololol
Profile Joined February 2006
5198 Posts
June 08 2010 21:37 GMT
#280
On June 09 2010 05:35 QueueQueue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2010 05:24 Madkipz wrote:
It makes you wonder what they spent their time doing when all you get is facebook integration



People need to stop complaining about them "allocating time" to facebook integration. The facebook infrastructure allows for ease of pulling data from it. The only thing their facebook integration did was pull e-mails from the database. It so ridiculously simple that any one with any programming experience whatsoever can do it in SO little time. They added it because it was something simple that could be done in so little time.


I find your argument pretty funny, because...
Chat rooms are "something simple that could be done in so little time". IRC has existed pretty much since the internet and it's very simple to implement.
Cross realm play is "something simple that could be done in so little time". You can even do it yourself by just replacing one small file, totally not a problem for them to add it at all.
LAN play is "something simple that could be done in so little time". They already have online play, LAN is not somehow more complex or an issue at all.

Are you even serious with your argument? Considering the facts it looks more like sarcasm, despite not being intended as such.
I'll call Nada.
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
June 08 2010 21:42 GMT
#281
My course of action is the same as Left 4 Dead 2- I'm not going to buy the game immediately, but I'll be happy to buy the game after enough time has passed, a lot of the things I find objectionable are fixed, and the game is cheaper.

And I canceled my collector's edition preorder. :>
Darkren
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1841 Posts
June 08 2010 21:44 GMT
#282
On June 09 2010 06:37 lololol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2010 05:35 QueueQueue wrote:
On June 09 2010 05:24 Madkipz wrote:
It makes you wonder what they spent their time doing when all you get is facebook integration



People need to stop complaining about them "allocating time" to facebook integration. The facebook infrastructure allows for ease of pulling data from it. The only thing their facebook integration did was pull e-mails from the database. It so ridiculously simple that any one with any programming experience whatsoever can do it in SO little time. They added it because it was something simple that could be done in so little time.


I find your argument pretty funny, because...
Chat rooms are "something simple that could be done in so little time". IRC has existed pretty much since the internet and it's very simple to implement.
Cross realm play is "something simple that could be done in so little time". You can even do it yourself by just replacing one small file, totally not a problem for them to add it at all.
LAN play is "something simple that could be done in so little time". They already have online play, LAN is not somehow more complex or an issue at all.

Are you even serious with your argument? Considering the facts it looks more like sarcasm, despite not being intended as such.



No because your wrong on all your points. IRC do exist but chat channels and IRC are not the same thing at all, Firstly the base of player is 1000000X bigger than any IRC on the internet. Cross realm play is a difficult task because yes you can do it, but you experiance lag which has to be fixed. Lan play is not included cause they dont want their game to be hacked.
"Yeah, I send (hopefully) helpful PM's quite frequently. You don't have to warn/ban everything" - KadaverBB
daarkside
Profile Joined July 2005
Germany56 Posts
June 08 2010 21:46 GMT
#283
On June 08 2010 19:24 killercheebo wrote:
There will also be no cross-regional play


what do U need it for?
there is no need for it, because every sc2 region will be big enought for itself

MAYBE 0,001% of all players, the pros, need it, but even then, they should fuckin stay in their region instead of joining a cross region cup and bitch about the lag during the whole fucking stream/cast/match
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5558 Posts
June 08 2010 21:51 GMT
#284
On June 09 2010 06:44 Darkren wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2010 06:37 lololol wrote:
On June 09 2010 05:35 QueueQueue wrote:
On June 09 2010 05:24 Madkipz wrote:
It makes you wonder what they spent their time doing when all you get is facebook integration



People need to stop complaining about them "allocating time" to facebook integration. The facebook infrastructure allows for ease of pulling data from it. The only thing their facebook integration did was pull e-mails from the database. It so ridiculously simple that any one with any programming experience whatsoever can do it in SO little time. They added it because it was something simple that could be done in so little time.


I find your argument pretty funny, because...
Chat rooms are "something simple that could be done in so little time". IRC has existed pretty much since the internet and it's very simple to implement.
Cross realm play is "something simple that could be done in so little time". You can even do it yourself by just replacing one small file, totally not a problem for them to add it at all.
LAN play is "something simple that could be done in so little time". They already have online play, LAN is not somehow more complex or an issue at all.

Are you even serious with your argument? Considering the facts it looks more like sarcasm, despite not being intended as such.



No because your wrong on all your points. IRC do exist but chat channels and IRC are not the same thing at all, Firstly the base of player is 1000000X bigger than any IRC on the internet. Cross realm play is a difficult task because yes you can do it, but you experiance lag which has to be fixed. Lan play is not included cause they dont want their game to be hacked.


It is you who is wrong on all your points.

LAN - afaik Blizzard already had it in earlier builds when showing the game to the people they invited to their HQ.

Cross-server play - it's a simple matter of adding that file to each client and allowing us to make one account per server. The latency is already playable, stop making things up.

Chat - some people created chat lobbies in the editor. It wouldn't take Blizzard more than a couple of days to devise something much better.
LegendaryZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1583 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-08 21:56:28
June 08 2010 21:51 GMT
#285
On June 09 2010 06:09 Grend wrote:
If you do not like the game to such an extent that you intend to "boycott" it (Or not buy something because you have other priorities as it really is), then why post about it in the SC2 part of the forum? You sort of opted out of the whole deal if you arent planning on buying it, and I`m fairly sure most people do not care about the fact that you will not buy the game.


They post it on the SC2 part of the forum because they're talking about SC2. Why should the fact that you don't like the game and plan to boycott it in order to express your distaste mean that you shouldn't be entitled to express that opinion? Whether you buy the game or not, the truth is nobody else cares either way so I don't see why you would say this only to the people stating that they will not buy it. You could just as easily respond to someone saying "I can't wait to buy this on release day." or "I pre-ordered it already." saying, "Shut up, nobody cares."...

On June 09 2010 06:46 daarkside wrote:
what do U need it for?
there is no need for it, because every sc2 region will be big enought for itself

MAYBE 0,001% of all players, the pros, need it, but even then, they should fuckin stay in their region instead of joining a cross region cup and bitch about the lag during the whole fucking stream/cast/match

There are many people here on TL.net that have gaming friends all around the world. Sure, each region will certainly be large enough to satisfy variety in a ladder situation where you're randomly matched up against other people, but for the sake of preserving the international Starcraft community, cross-region play is pretty important. It wouldn't kill Blizzard to just allow us the option to choose a specific gateway upon log-in and having "recommended" ones, but they're not even doing that. Personally, if I decide to buy this game, I would like the option to play with anyone I want in the world (including international friends) without having to buy multiple copies of it...
Archerofaiur
Profile Joined August 2008
United States4101 Posts
June 08 2010 21:54 GMT
#286
On June 09 2010 06:46 daarkside wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2010 19:24 killercheebo wrote:
There will also be no cross-regional play


what do U need it for?
there is no need for it, because every sc2 region will be big enought for itself

MAYBE 0,001% of all players, the pros, need it, but even then, they should fuckin stay in their region instead of joining a cross region cup and bitch about the lag during the whole fucking stream/cast/match

Wow

Words can not express how wrong you are.
http://sclegacy.com/news/28-scl/250-starcraftlegacy-macro-theorycrafting-contest-winners
artanis2
Profile Joined April 2010
United States732 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-08 22:00:34
June 08 2010 21:58 GMT
#287
I'm planning on waiting a couple weeks before buying the game. Probably not long enough to make any real difference in their sales numbers.

The lack of LAN is to keep people on bnet and prevent KESPA and iccup from running their own shit.

Though iccup was already run on a custom server, it's only a matter of time until the same thing happens.

On June 09 2010 06:46 daarkside wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2010 19:24 killercheebo wrote:
There will also be no cross-regional play


what do U need it for?
there is no need for it, because every sc2 region will be big enought for itself

MAYBE 0,001% of all players, the pros, need it, but even then, they should fuckin stay in their region instead of joining a cross region cup and bitch about the lag during the whole fucking stream/cast/match


So you don't have friends in other countries, but not all of us are sheltered like you, insisting that isolation is a good thing.
lololol
Profile Joined February 2006
5198 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-08 22:04:17
June 08 2010 22:00 GMT
#288
On June 09 2010 06:44 Darkren wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2010 06:37 lololol wrote:
On June 09 2010 05:35 QueueQueue wrote:
On June 09 2010 05:24 Madkipz wrote:
It makes you wonder what they spent their time doing when all you get is facebook integration



People need to stop complaining about them "allocating time" to facebook integration. The facebook infrastructure allows for ease of pulling data from it. The only thing their facebook integration did was pull e-mails from the database. It so ridiculously simple that any one with any programming experience whatsoever can do it in SO little time. They added it because it was something simple that could be done in so little time.


I find your argument pretty funny, because...
Chat rooms are "something simple that could be done in so little time". IRC has existed pretty much since the internet and it's very simple to implement.
Cross realm play is "something simple that could be done in so little time". You can even do it yourself by just replacing one small file, totally not a problem for them to add it at all.
LAN play is "something simple that could be done in so little time". They already have online play, LAN is not somehow more complex or an issue at all.

Are you even serious with your argument? Considering the facts it looks more like sarcasm, despite not being intended as such.



No because your wrong on all your points. IRC do exist but chat channels and IRC are not the same thing at all, Firstly the base of player is 1000000X bigger than any IRC on the internet. Cross realm play is a difficult task because yes you can do it, but you experiance lag which has to be fixed. Lan play is not included cause they dont want their game to be hacked.


Seriously, if you're just going to spout a bunch of ininformed bullshit, then don't post.

Chat channels are EXTREMELY easy to implement.
Cross realm play is ALREADY POSSIBLE. How do you think tourneys with players from different regions were conducted? Not to mention that 12 year old game you probably have never heard of - it's called Starcraft.
The lack of LAN play will not stop SC2 from being pirated to hell and back at all. Case in point: EVERY FREAKING GAME EVER CREATED.
I'll call Nada.
Madkipz
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Norway1643 Posts
June 08 2010 22:09 GMT
#289
On June 09 2010 06:46 daarkside wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2010 19:24 killercheebo wrote:
There will also be no cross-regional play


what do U need it for?
there is no need for it, because every sc2 region will be big enought for itself

MAYBE 0,001% of all players, the pros, need it, but even then, they should fuckin stay in their region instead of joining a cross region cup and bitch about the lag during the whole fucking stream/cast/match


its nice to hear that your vocal support of every future pro gamer out there, if not for the effort in having multiple accounts the HDH or europe vs asia would never have been able to gather up all these pro gamers that we currently know and have grown to accept as top tier players. would you not lend your voice to let them do this with one account?

Or maybe you are simply ignorant about all the players from Australia who wont be able to understand what the rest of their servers player base are talking about?

What about the people who have friends in America? or wish to study in europe? should they not be given the option to change realm? these issues may seem small but if wc3 and sc broodwar, has it why should sc2 be different?
"Mudkip"
Kuzmorgo
Profile Joined May 2009
Hungary1058 Posts
June 08 2010 22:10 GMT
#290
On June 09 2010 02:32 LunarC wrote:
When I say I'll boycott, I'll boycott. Saying one thing and doing another is one of the worst things a human being can possibly do.


First i said to my friends im gonna buy this game, now i think i wont play the multiplayer anyway, so i wont buy it after all... I changed my mind. Oh crap:S I DONT WANNA GO TO JAIL!!!!
"No, whine not! Play, or play not! There is no whine."
KameZerg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Sweden1763 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-08 22:18:49
June 08 2010 22:18 GMT
#291
Im quite the conservative BW is the game i fell inlove with, thats why i wont buy SC2.
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daarkside
Profile Joined July 2005
Germany56 Posts
June 08 2010 22:21 GMT
#292
On June 09 2010 06:51 JinMaikeul wrote:
There are many people here on TL.net that have gaming friends all around the world. Sure, each region will certainly be large enough to satisfy variety in a ladder situation where you're randomly matched up against other people, but for the sake of preserving the international Starcraft community, cross-region play is pretty important. It wouldn't kill Blizzard to just allow us the option to choose a specific gateway upon log-in and having "recommended" ones, but they're not even doing that. Personally, if I decide to buy this game, I would like the option to play with anyone I want in the world (including international friends) without having to buy multiple copies of it...


considering the fact that bw players will be a minority in sc2, my % from above is most likely still right

on the one hand its not THAT big of a deal to include it on the other hand its not THAT big of a deal to boycott one of the best games since 10 years


On June 09 2010 06:54 Archerofaiur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2010 06:46 daarkside wrote:
On June 08 2010 19:24 killercheebo wrote:
There will also be no cross-regional play


what do U need it for?
there is no need for it, because every sc2 region will be big enought for itself

MAYBE 0,001% of all players, the pros, need it, but even then, they should fuckin stay in their region instead of joining a cross region cup and bitch about the lag during the whole fucking stream/cast/match

Wow

Words can not express how wrong you are.


coming from the very unique bw scene u think u need it, but u dont
in bw everyone was basicly forced to play global and speak engl
ppl that have the opportunity to talk thier native language, do it, its natural
u can find new friends after all



On June 09 2010 06:58 artanis2 wrote:
I'm planning on waiting a couple weeks before buying the game. Probably not long enough to make any real difference in their sales numbers.

The lack of LAN is to keep people on bnet and prevent KESPA and iccup from running their own shit.


not to forget MILLIONS of ppl playing wc3 illegaly throught such networks as garena and chinese counterparts for YEARS!

On June 09 2010 06:46 daarkside wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2010 19:24 killercheebo wrote:
There will also be no cross-regional play


what do U need it for?
there is no need for it, because every sc2 region will be big enought for itself

MAYBE 0,001% of all players, the pros, need it, but even then, they should fuckin stay in their region instead of joining a cross region cup and bitch about the lag during the whole fucking stream/cast/match


So you don't have friends in other countries, but not all of us are sheltered like you, insisting that isolation is a good thing.[/QUOTE]

CONTINENTS

not all, but most
take any big game (cs wc3 wow dota cod) all of them are far less global then bw
as i said above, its the natural way how ppl act IF they have the opportunity to stay regional/continental
bw never had the opportunity and was played global, it wasnt a wish from the scene it was a necessity

killercheebo
Profile Joined November 2009
Korea (North)46 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-08 22:23:17
June 08 2010 22:21 GMT
#293
On June 09 2010 07:00 lololol wrote:
Cross realm play is ALREADY POSSIBLE. How do you think tourneys with players from different regions were conducted? Not to mention that 12 year old game you probably have never heard of - it's called Starcraft.EVERY FREAKING GAME EVER CREATED.


dont want to sound blunt but,

you're a fucking idiot. please stay the fuck out of my thread


Edit: and your name sounds like a fucking troll
NORTH KOREA PWNS AT SC
roemy
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany432 Posts
June 08 2010 22:27 GMT
#294
On June 08 2010 23:45 peffi wrote:
my payment will come around this time and i will have 100 bucks together to buy the collectos-edition. then i will make a picture of it, a screenshot of an epic game and a pic of all the funny stuff inside the collectors-box and post it here just to laugh at all boycotters^^

no really i dont think you wont buy it. because at least you registered at the forum and wrote more or less much inhere. put your effort and time into helping or hating blizzard... whatever. i bet 5dollars that 97% in the forum will buy the game. even if they just clicked the boycott vote

5$ plz ^^ 5€ will do, too

like it or not, there is legit opinions out there, seeing this product through less tainted blizzard glasses.

look... we're not trying to convince anybody - except for actiblizz, perhaps.
there's lots of sober posts here, objectively listing the reason(s) why each individual choses not to buy it.
be that the price all three "games" will eventually cost, be that some of the impending custom map costs, be that the students/guys working in shifts and not being able to hop over to the US servers in order to play at 4am. be that the dull/lacking damage system that only does bonus damage to itself and therefore favors a larger number of C&C-like "only more of it can beat itself" strats.

just saying... the threshold may be a lot lower for people that don't consider themselves to be fanboys. there is other games out there; i, for one, will return to eve-online; the developers may have the same "pfft...we know what the customer wants, no facts/figures/threadnoughts/kittens can change that" attitude but at least (semi-) reliable means of communication among the community. -.-
rock is fine.. paper could need a buff, but scissors have to be nerfed
uniquee
Profile Joined May 2010
Latvia16 Posts
June 08 2010 22:28 GMT
#295
"pretend you won't but then buy it and then buy it anyways"

ahh man, classic. This was my exact view of everyone crying that they won't buy it.
meow
zoLo
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States5896 Posts
June 08 2010 22:28 GMT
#296
I'm getting the game since I got a good deal and besides the multiplayer, I also want to continue the story.
GrandSmurf
Profile Joined July 2003
Netherlands462 Posts
June 08 2010 22:31 GMT
#297
not buying. having a bw lan next sunday so i am good

bnet 2 is taking the piss so thanks, but no thanks.
One time that happened and I just stopped everything, selected the offending SCV, hit Cancel, moved it over to my Barracks, made a Marine, had the Marine shoot it to death, then left the game.
allyourbase
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States243 Posts
June 08 2010 22:37 GMT
#298
I'm probably going to buy it, however I have been considering just getting the free LAN version.


..im kidding of course
Something something justice
LegendaryZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1583 Posts
June 08 2010 22:44 GMT
#299
On June 09 2010 07:21 daarkside wrote:
considering the fact that bw players will be a minority in sc2, my % from above is most likely still right

on the one hand its not THAT big of a deal to include it on the other hand its not THAT big of a deal to boycott one of the best games since 10 years


Yes, BW players will be a minority in SC2, but when it comes to online gaming, how many games do you know that don't have an international community? From MMO's to FPS (Hell, even Street Fighter), almost every new online game has and allows for an international community. Even the first Starcraft and Warcraft 3 after that supported this. It's not just BW players that have connections all over the world. A large number of people coming from all games do. It makes no sense in this day and age to have these kinds of restrictions.

Also keep in mind that while each region may initially be large enough in the first few years, as time goes on, a fractured community will be very bad. Imagine if Brood War had the kind of regional disconnect that Starcraft 2 is going to have, do you seriously think it would have survived as long as it did outside of Korea? The TL.net community is international and it's honestly barely enough to keep the entire foreign Starcraft scene alive...

Starcraft 2 is a decent game from what I've seen and played. I wouldn't go so far as to consider it one of the best games in the past decade, though. I certainly don't feel it will have anywhere near the longevity of Brood War and splitting the community apart will only speed up its downfall.

For me, I would rather not spend my money to buy the game than go ahead and be required to buy it 3 times in order to be able to play with all of my friends (the people I actually want to play with). Granted, I'm not an ultra competitive person and I don't care about the ladder at all. I'm just someone that plays games for entertainment and if one game is too much of a hassle, it's easy enough to find another game that will give me just as much entertainment and actually allow me to play with all the people I want to. That's the way I view it, anyway.

And besides, Starcraft 2 is honestly not THAT good... I really don't think we're going to look back on this game in 10 years and rank it in the top 50 PC games of all time. I could be wrong about that, but from what I've seen, I just wasn't tremendously impressed.
TieN.nS)
Profile Joined August 2003
United States2131 Posts
June 08 2010 22:45 GMT
#300
I don't even like this terrible game but I'm buying it (and putting it on eBay if I still hate it in a month).
Tyraz
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
New Zealand310 Posts
June 08 2010 22:55 GMT
#301
On June 09 2010 07:45 TieN.nS) wrote:
I don't even like this terrible game but I'm buying it (and putting it on eBay if I still hate it in a month).

Lol and the person who buys it will be like "woooooo.. I <3 this username I didn't get to choose!".
That, and wouldn't it still be 'registered' under your name?
100% Pure.
Count9
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China10928 Posts
June 08 2010 22:57 GMT
#302
I have high hopes for private ladders popping up very quickly if bnet 2.0 continues to disappoint, so I'm definitely gonna buy it and wait it out.
JohannesH
Profile Joined September 2009
Finland1364 Posts
June 08 2010 22:58 GMT
#303
Dunno if I will buy it. Not for a while at least.
If you have to ask, you don't know.
Reaper9
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1724 Posts
June 08 2010 23:01 GMT
#304
I definitely will wait until they get rid of my real name and email, so I may play in peace.
I post only when my brain works.
Baarn
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2702 Posts
June 08 2010 23:03 GMT
#305
On June 09 2010 08:01 Reaper9 wrote:
I definitely will wait until they get rid of my real name and email, so I may play in peace.


You a celebrity or something?
There's no S in KT. :P
Wr3k
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada2533 Posts
June 08 2010 23:03 GMT
#306
The game is beautiful, even if Bnet2.0 isn't that amazing, the greatness of the multiplayer will make it a massive hit.
daarkside
Profile Joined July 2005
Germany56 Posts
June 08 2010 23:17 GMT
#307
On June 09 2010 08:01 Reaper9 wrote:
I definitely will wait until they get rid of my real name and email, so I may play in peace.


its teh internetz dude, u can be miley cyrus
SkCom
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada229 Posts
June 08 2010 23:18 GMT
#308
lolfacebookwut
oh well, the game, at least, is alright
NuKedUFirst
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada3139 Posts
June 08 2010 23:18 GMT
#309
Boycott, complain and buy it anyways.
FrostedMiniWeet wrote: I like winning because it validates all the bloody time I waste playing SC2.
micze
Profile Joined September 2009
Sweden6 Posts
June 08 2010 23:19 GMT
#310
Pirate
Free food? Im in!
TieN.nS)
Profile Joined August 2003
United States2131 Posts
June 08 2010 23:20 GMT
#311
On June 09 2010 07:55 Tyraz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2010 07:45 TieN.nS) wrote:
I don't even like this terrible game but I'm buying it (and putting it on eBay if I still hate it in a month).

Lol and the person who buys it will be like "woooooo.. I <3 this username I didn't get to choose!".
That, and wouldn't it still be 'registered' under your name?


:p Nah, I mean selling the unopened CE I have preordered (at discount). One month from now, the game won't be out yet!
Lexpar
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
1813 Posts
June 08 2010 23:20 GMT
#312
Lol, buy it for sure. It's a solid game, has a cool looking singleplayer and a multiplayer I already know is fantastic and will get even better. Silly question.
waxypants
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States479 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-08 23:31:59
June 08 2010 23:31 GMT
#313
Poll is terrible. What if you just don't like the game or you don't have time for it? That's not a boycott.
killercheebo
Profile Joined November 2009
Korea (North)46 Posts
June 08 2010 23:39 GMT
#314
On June 09 2010 07:28 uniquee wrote:
"pretend you won't but then buy it and then buy it anyways"

ahh man, classic. This was my exact view of everyone crying that they won't buy it.


you're an idiot. why would anyone buy the game if theyre boycotting it? if anything i would stick my middle finger at blizz by getting a pirated copy and playing on a iccup-like private ladder

there are several b.net 0.2 emulator projects out right now and its very close to being crapped.
NORTH KOREA PWNS AT SC
jamesr12
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1549 Posts
June 08 2010 23:44 GMT
#315
On June 09 2010 08:39 killercheebo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2010 07:28 uniquee wrote:
"pretend you won't but then buy it and then buy it anyways"

ahh man, classic. This was my exact view of everyone crying that they won't buy it.


you're an idiot. why would anyone buy the game if theyre boycotting it? if anything i would stick my middle finger at blizz by getting a pirated copy and playing on a iccup-like private ladder

there are several b.net 0.2 emulator projects out right now and its very close to being crapped.


blizz will shut down any cracked server so fast
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=306479
Meta
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States6225 Posts
June 08 2010 23:49 GMT
#316
Everything aside, I can't WAIT to buy this game. Even if there was miraculously no multiplayer (somehow), I would still buy it for the campaign. All in all, despite all the let-downs, starcraft 2 rocks. It could be much, much worse. It's fun to play, fun to watch, highly competitive, and has the greatest community on earth backing it. What more could you want in a video game (other than chat rooms)?
good vibes only
c0rn1
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany146 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-08 23:51:32
June 08 2010 23:49 GMT
#317
On June 09 2010 07:21 daarkside wrote:
CONTINENTS

not all, but most
take any big game (cs wc3 wow dota cod) all of them are far less global then bw
as i said above, its the natural way how ppl act IF they have the opportunity to stay regional/continental
bw never had the opportunity and was played global, it wasnt a wish from the scene it was a necessity



Sorry, but I do not agree with your statement in any way. I play Computer Games since ages. And I mean literally ages (about 25+ years). And the biggest cornerstone in my eyes was the Internet. Not because of the nice easy money dump which is a huge part of the internet nowadays. It was about the people I met. I played my first MMOG in Diablo I and have met so many people from all over the world. I even have a really good friend since 1997 from Brazil which I'd never had met without "cross realm play". Then I moved over to Ultima Online. I denied to play on Drachenfels but instead I chose Atlantic servers and I met so many nice and interesting people there of whom I call alot still friends to me after all these years.
Games are supposed to be a fun part of life. I don't mind if companies like Blizzard even did a good amount of cash for quality games they produced but I refuse to take on that business model Activion Blizzard is developing for SC2. As much as it broke my heart when I broke off UO when EA bought Origin, I guess it will break my heart to break off Blizzard since they brought me alot of fun in my past. And it's not everything about the game, actually it is less about the game, more about the community.
Look at EA games nowadays. It's an anonymous meat grinding for the most part. The community is mostly (sorry if I use that word) retarded from what you can read in chats or hear on voice.
Gaming is about the fact that everyone is being able to access it and have fun times with people around the world. It's more about global thinking and exchange than business.
I think if Blizzard of old would charge a mere $50 for SC2 they'd have more than all their expenses covered. I would even say they'd be able to run Bnet until the times of our deaths for no extra charge at all. Battle.Net is a meeting point for people. Not only for gaming.

Cheers

c0rn1

P.S.: Sorry for my bad english in parts since it's not my native language
"The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it. " (Albert Einstein)
wiesel
Profile Joined September 2008
Germany727 Posts
June 08 2010 23:52 GMT
#318
On June 09 2010 08:44 jamesr12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2010 08:39 killercheebo wrote:
On June 09 2010 07:28 uniquee wrote:
"pretend you won't but then buy it and then buy it anyways"

ahh man, classic. This was my exact view of everyone crying that they won't buy it.


you're an idiot. why would anyone buy the game if theyre boycotting it? if anything i would stick my middle finger at blizz by getting a pirated copy and playing on a iccup-like private ladder

there are several b.net 0.2 emulator projects out right now and its very close to being crapped.


blizz will shut down any cracked server so fast


People said the same about WoW. And now there are thousands of private servers. Blizzard will try to shut down the famous ones but once the emulator is spreaded there's no chance for blizzard.
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
June 08 2010 23:54 GMT
#319
I'm buying it regardless of whether I'm satisfied with the things I want changed or not just because I'm a SC fan.
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
killercheebo
Profile Joined November 2009
Korea (North)46 Posts
June 08 2010 23:58 GMT
#320
On June 09 2010 08:44 jamesr12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2010 08:39 killercheebo wrote:
On June 09 2010 07:28 uniquee wrote:
"pretend you won't but then buy it and then buy it anyways"

ahh man, classic. This was my exact view of everyone crying that they won't buy it.


you're an idiot. why would anyone buy the game if theyre boycotting it? if anything i would stick my middle finger at blizz by getting a pirated copy and playing on a iccup-like private ladder

there are several b.net 0.2 emulator projects out right now and its very close to being crapped.


blizz will shut down any cracked server so fast


they cant if theyre in 3rd world country, like Laos, etc
NORTH KOREA PWNS AT SC
Gregsen
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Germany667 Posts
June 09 2010 00:00 GMT
#321
I won't let Blizzard fuck around with my privacy. I'm not buying it if it stays how it is now.
Boycott Activision whenever, wherever you can.
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