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On June 09 2010 00:19 Ocedic wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2010 19:37 killercheebo wrote:On June 08 2010 19:34 DarKFoRcE wrote:
The gameplay is good, so i'll buy it. I have hopes that bnet 2.0 will improve in the future. and that is how activision is misleading you. they are exploiting SC1 and blizzard's past good reputation into making fans believe that they will improve bnet 0.2, when in fact they won't. After enough units have been sold and money have been squeezed out of SC2, they will simply stop caring And you have what for your baseless assumptions? Have you even played any other Blizz game other than BW? Games have been increasingly supported and updated AFTER Brood War. You have every right to be dissatisfied with their Bnet 2.0 service and not buy the game if you want, but don't spread blatant misinformation because others don't agree with you.
I dunno I tend to agree with him.
I have played and loved every blizzard game, I really have. I wasted countless hours on D2, SCBW, WC3, and WoW and I know that in GENERAL blizzard really cared about their games. What I have noticed though is that this isn't the same blizzard that made those games great. This is the same blizzard that produced WotLK which when looked at objectively is nothing more than a blatant money grab.
SC2 gameplay is fine though not earth shattering and it's really only so hyped because it rides on the success of its predecessor. If it were any other title it would have no where near the hype. That being said SC2 game play is fine.
Bnet 2.0 really really kills it for me. I have so many issues with the way the multiplayer works in SC2 that I cannot in good conscience buy it. I made such a mistake once with MW2...I will not do it again. I'll buy SC2 when and if Bnet 2.0 is actually fixed and has at least the same functionality of Bnet 1.0.
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I don't understand how the OP is able to post on the internet from North Korea, but yea I agree that not allowing cross-region play on one game copy is a huge factor that is making me consider not buying SC2.
But obviously those casual players living in the US don't give a shit about this restriction.
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On June 09 2010 00:24 Jayme wrote:
SC2 gameplay is fine though not earth shattering and it's really only so hyped because it rides on the success of its predecessor. If it were any other title it would have no where near the hype. That being said SC2 game play is fine.
Much like SC1?
edit: point was that SC was also hyped big time when it was released thanks to Warcraft 2. And gameplay at release wasn't that fantastic.
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On June 09 2010 00:24 Jayme wrote:
when looked at objectively is nothing more than a blatant money grab.
I'm going to regret this. But this phrase "money grab" is just becoming far too popular, without any basis in reality. It's getting to the point of overuse like "cheese" and "rush" where the word just has no meaning anymore how it's being used.
Please explain how "objectively" it is nothing more than a blatant money grab. Remember the definition of objectively now: it means without any personal opinion or bias or conjecture. It means that regardless of who is looking at the situation the facts can only be interpreted in one way.
Seeing as how your definition of money grab probably differs from someone else's definition of money grab, it's going to be very hard to objectively paint something as a money grab.
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This will be just like the "Modern Warfare 2 boycott" where you see all the people in "boycott SC2" groups....playing SC2
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semi-boycott
will buy when prize<= 20 EUR
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On June 09 2010 00:34 PanzerDragoon wrote:
This will be just like the "Modern Warfare 2 boycott" where you see all the people in "boycott SC2" groups....playing SC2
...exactly. Everyone is going to buy sc2. Maybe a small hand full won't but even then I see them breaking and buying it later.
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The golden days are over. Blizzard still has huge budget to make big games. But they are not the loving caring company they used to be.
So they will still produce quality games. They will just fuck the customer while they are at it. And i can't say i blame them. It's not like there are other companies making a proper rts.
If you are still thinking of boycotting. Try comparing SC2 with All ea RTS After Tiberium wars.
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IMO people who boycott starcraft should also boycott TL.
As of now the "Starcraft 2 Discussion" is "Starcraft 2 QQ and Boycotting"
For all these people who are apparently going to "boycott" the game, they spend an awful lot of time on these forums and the official forums yapping about it.
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On June 09 2010 00:24 Jayme wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2010 00:19 Ocedic wrote:On June 08 2010 19:37 killercheebo wrote:On June 08 2010 19:34 DarKFoRcE wrote:
The gameplay is good, so i'll buy it. I have hopes that bnet 2.0 will improve in the future. and that is how activision is misleading you. they are exploiting SC1 and blizzard's past good reputation into making fans believe that they will improve bnet 0.2, when in fact they won't. After enough units have been sold and money have been squeezed out of SC2, they will simply stop caring And you have what for your baseless assumptions? Have you even played any other Blizz game other than BW? Games have been increasingly supported and updated AFTER Brood War. You have every right to be dissatisfied with their Bnet 2.0 service and not buy the game if you want, but don't spread blatant misinformation because others don't agree with you. I dunno I tend to agree with him. I have played and loved every blizzard game, I really have. I wasted countless hours on D2, SCBW, WC3, and WoW and I know that in GENERAL blizzard really cared about their games. What I have noticed though is that this isn't the same blizzard that made those games great. This is the same blizzard that produced WotLK which when looked at objectively is nothing more than a blatant money grab.
WotLK is nowhere near a money grab. It contains just as much content as any other expansion, and the fact that raiding is easier doesn't make it a money grab. If you've taken even a small glance at Ulduar, you'd know that they still put tons of effort into WoW, and Cataclysm has so many user-requested features that to call it a money grab is nothing short of a blatant lie. In fact I'd say that Cataclysm is the ultimate "fuck you" to all those who call Blizzard greedy.
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I'll be buying it, and most ppl that claim to "boycot" will buy it too.
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On June 08 2010 19:37 killercheebo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2010 19:34 DarKFoRcE wrote:
The gameplay is good, so i'll buy it. I have hopes that bnet 2.0 will improve in the future. and that is how activision is misleading you. they are exploiting SC1 and blizzard's past good reputation into making fans believe that they will improve bnet 0.2, when in fact they won't. After enough units have been sold and money have been squeezed out of SC2, they will simply stop caring
Because this is the good way to run a business? While I wont deny that it hasn't ever happened time and time again businesses that do this see a great immediate benefit at the expense of killing themselves in the future. Blizzard is smarter than this. Before you start in with the "But Activision is evil and they control Blizzard now" nonsense Blizzard is still Blizzard. They became big by making quality games which are well supported, they wont turn their backs on this now.
Say whatever you want, Blizzard has delivered a very enjoyable multiplayer experience. I know that the single player will also be great. So B.net 2 isn't all that it was cracked up to be, do you really think that the same team which made a great game wont complete the package? There are 2 expansions coming on down the line, Blizzard wont be so stupid as to turn off the fanbase and kill the sales of the expansions.
The internet is so negative.
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I'm currently leaning more towards a boycott, at the very least i won't buy it with the initial release. I will probably go back to play broodwar.
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Ok so there are some ppl who dont like the game and will not buy it. iam fine with this.
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I'm not sure about boycott but I've cancelled my preorder. I've played a shit load of ladder in beta and just dont think that with the current custom game / chat room situation I don't particularly want to buy it, whether any of this changes in the next push will effect my purchase ofc.
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Voted for Boycott because I "hate" blizzard but the game is excellent and even more addictive than BW. Bought in on amazon presale and never canceled even though I said I would. It's just too good. Hope they fix bnet which sucks camel balls.
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I'm one of the people to boycott the game. Let me explain exactly why:
If Blizzard were trying their best to make a perfect game with perfect user experience and catered to the fans and e-sport as they claim, but were failing in their attempts I would support them and buy SC2.
However, even for an idiot it's pretty obvious that every crap they do is on purpose - no LAN, no cross-server play, map marketplace, even trying to take over the e-sport scene! Why do they throw all this shit at us - because they have honorable intentions but got it wrong by accident? No! They do it for greed for money and control over the gamers. They're treating the community like sheep who can be brainwashed with some marketing crap.
I won't buy the game not because it's a failure but because Blizzard blatantly tries to lie to us and manipulate us!... Oh sorry Pardo, you didn't lie when you said battle.net 2.0 would blow our minds, it really did, literally!
I don't care how good the actual game is, if the company is trying to lie and manipulate me I will never support it!
Btw, similar thing is going to happen with Civilization 5, it'll ship with obligatory Steam and lots of "awesome" DLC. Similar discussions are going on at the moment in the Civ community as well.
In conclusion here are a couple of great eye-openers for people who think this is just an unfounded whining:
http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=25026564417
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=128252
And here is some food for thought about battle.net 2.0 and why it may've delayed the release of SC2:
2) Activision-Blizzard officially merged only 2 years ago. StarCraft II was in development for 7? years (2003), StarCraft II itself looked pretty good even in the videos back in the day when they announced it (May 2007)… The release of StarCraft II was delayed by almost a year because “Battle.Net 2.0 wasn’t ready”. Tell me how exactly could it happen that a game, which has been developed for 7 years had to (re)start work on a basic feature clearly required for it to work in the first place so close to its release date and when exactly did the paradigm change start? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=128252¤tpage=31#616
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Even with all those complaints, shitty battlenet 2.0, no lan etc.. it is still a must buy. Come on I've been spending more time on the SC2 beta than any other games for the past month or 2. I enjoyed it quite a bit and I'm pretty sure I'll play this game for a long time. Not to mention the full game includes the singleplayer campaign.
I've already played more of this game than some of my games I bought for more than 60$. Boycotting the game won't do anything lol. Sure we Starcraft players have a lot of complaints but look at the overall situation.. casual gamers will still buy the game, not conscious of this whole situation. I just think boycotting a great game is ridiculous.
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buy it . its a nobrainer.. i mean its sc2. release will be so much fun. masses of IMBAIMBA! crying wow noobs evrywhere to stomp! yeah!
but ofc as long as blizz is refusing to give us what we need ill do evrything to bitch around as much as possible.
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