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FragKrag
United States11567 Posts
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Ultionis`
United States27 Posts
Would it be a noticeable difference if I paid the extra ten or so dollars to get that Samsung F3 1tb or Seagate Barracuda hard drive instead of my current one? My current one is the western digital caviar blue 640. + Show Spoiler + http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136218&cm_re=western_digital_caviar_blue-_-22-136-218-_-Product | ||
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FragKrag
United States11567 Posts
As for the other two, the Caviar Black is superior to the F3 in access times, but inferior in terms of sequential writes/reads. Pretty sure the Caviar Black beats the Barracuda in every possible way though. I also remember that the F3 1TB consume less power (negligible), and run more quietly than the WD Caviar Black. The most notable difference would be the extra drive space. | ||
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semantics
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not sure about the AALS. You forget that the 7200.12 is a 500gig per platter like the F3's. I believe the 500gig the 1 tb and 2 tb are all 500 gig platters. But the F3 perform a bit better so i'd go with them sense they are usually the same price per gig as seagate's | ||
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mav451
United States1596 Posts
On May 29 2010 09:51 semantics wrote: Caviar black FALS doesn't beat a 7200.12 in sequential reads/writes. not sure about the AALS. You forget that the 7200.12 is a 500gig per platter like the F3's. I believe the 500gig the 1 tb and 2 tb are all 500 gig platters. But the F3 perform a bit better so i'd go with them sense they are usually the same price per gig as seagate's What does sequential reads/writes equate to in real-world situations? | ||
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semantics
10040 Posts
On May 30 2010 05:19 mav451 wrote: What does sequential reads/writes equate to in real-world situations? Writing large and reading large files, usually loading times in games with large maps, but usually random access time is a bit more important for everyday use like opening a browser or the avg program. Spinpoint F3's at least the 500gig one has a decent random seek time and great read and writes, something seagates doesn't have, seagate esp teh 1 tb one has bad random seek time, WD black's tend to have the best random seek for a mechanical drive. Ofc it also matters if you're running ACHI or IDE mode not by much but that's the difference we are measuring for these drives, not by much. I personally would go with a spinpoint F3, but a WD Black isn't a bad choice either. | ||
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Hyaach
Singapore1737 Posts
i'm thinking of building a computer real soon. budget would be around 1k to 1.2k just want to ask around for a decent build and then i can work on from there. Have almost 0 computer knowledge or information about hardwares.(cant oc dunno about voltage and stuff lol) play current/near future games with at least mid end setting. to multitask a little bit without too much performance drop. For the general purpose, yt, video streaming. thanks | ||
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Deleted User 47542
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On June 12 2010 11:39 Hyaach wrote: hey guys. i'm thinking of building a computer real soon. budget would be around 1k to 1.2k just want to ask around for a decent build and then i can work on from there. Have almost 0 computer knowledge or information about hardwares.(cant oc dunno about voltage and stuff lol) play current/near future games with at least mid end setting. to multitask a little bit without too much performance drop. For the general purpose, yt, video streaming. thanks You can do almost anything with that budget, even an i7. With $1.2k though you'd be able to fit in an i7/x58 mobo build pretty easily, especially if you have a local fry's or microcenter. I did a build for my friend and it came out to around that much, great gaming machine and multitasking. Just build around an i7 930, x58 mobo that is around $200[I'd recommend evga, asus, gigabyte], 650-750 watt power supply[DO NOT SKIMP ON THIS, Antec/Corsair/Seasonic has decent models around that wattage for a reasonable price], and a GPU based on your needs[5770 sounds nice for your, but the ATI 5850 and Nvidia GTX 470 are pretty good buys too, very expensive tough]. Case, Hard Drive capacity, extra fans/cpu cooling, optical drives is really 100% preference depending on how much storage you need, how much you care about cooling/looks, etc. Last big tip : BUY USED IF YOU CAN! You save SO much money on the same parts that will work 100% fine, just buy from legit sites/people(there are many hardware forums out there). Even newegg has good open box deals, I got my 5970 for $460, which is absolutely insane for a $700 card. | ||
IntoTheWow
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Drowsy
United States4876 Posts
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Neurotripsick
United States34 Posts
http://www.pcityourself.com/building/processor.php Also a rule of thumb: 80+ certified PSU's and Frames per $ (for gaming) | ||
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KOFgokuon
United States14912 Posts
On June 12 2010 12:09 superbabosheki wrote: You can do almost anything with that budget, even an i7. With $1.2k though you'd be able to fit in an i7/x58 mobo build pretty easily, especially if you have a local fry's or microcenter. I did a build for my friend and it came out to around that much, great gaming machine and multitasking. Just build around an i7 930, x58 mobo that is around $200[I'd recommend evga, asus, gigabyte], 650-750 watt power supply[DO NOT SKIMP ON THIS, Antec/Corsair/Seasonic has decent models around that wattage for a reasonable price], and a GPU based on your needs[5770 sounds nice for your, but the ATI 5850 and Nvidia GTX 470 are pretty good buys too, very expensive tough]. Case, Hard Drive capacity, extra fans/cpu cooling, optical drives is really 100% preference depending on how much storage you need, how much you care about cooling/looks, etc. Last big tip : BUY USED IF YOU CAN! You save SO much money on the same parts that will work 100% fine, just buy from legit sites/people(there are many hardware forums out there). Even newegg has good open box deals, I got my 5970 for $460, which is absolutely insane for a $700 card. eh if you're only going for 1 gpu get a 550 W psu from a good named brand and never worry about it again. However, if you are going to go for 1 gpu, then you should just go with an i5-750 / i7-860 and LGA 1156 as you won't be utilizing LGA 1366 to the full extent, and instead use that extra money on a shiny new SSD | ||
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FragKrag
United States11567 Posts
I would never buy a used GPU, Mobo if it did not have a warranty tied to it. | ||
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Subwoofermate
293 Posts
On June 12 2010 12:32 Neurotripsick wrote: ^Here's a useful link for assembling PC's: http://www.pcityourself.com/building/processor.php Also a rule of thumb: 80+ certified PSU's and Frames per $ (for gaming) 80+ means nothing really. Any PSU these days is 80+. I can buy a $30 SHAW PSU that is 80+ Bronze but I know that its a piece of shit and the capacitors will melt because its a SHAW. To buy a good PSU you buy a Seasonic, Corsair, or certain Antec PSUs (like the CP-850 for the Antec Performance One cases and high end gaming cases). You look at the OEMs (quick google will give you the answer) and basically pick any that is made by Seasonic, Delta, or CWT on the DSG platform. Of course there are some pretty decent ones out there like some Silverstone PSUs but you will never go wrong with a Seasonic or Corsair. Who cares if they're more expensive than other PSUs, PSUs are something that won't become obsolete in 3 years time; the only time your PSU will become obsolete is when your PSU dies. On June 12 2010 12:09 superbabosheki wrote: You can do almost anything with that budget, even an i7. With $1.2k though you'd be able to fit in an i7/x58 mobo build pretty easily, especially if you have a local fry's or microcenter. I did a build for my friend and it came out to around that much, great gaming machine and multitasking. Just build around an i7 930, x58 mobo that is around $200[I'd recommend evga, asus, gigabyte], 650-750 watt power supply[DO NOT SKIMP ON THIS, Antec/Corsair/Seasonic has decent models around that wattage for a reasonable price], and a GPU based on your needs[5770 sounds nice for your, but the ATI 5850 and Nvidia GTX 470 are pretty good buys too, very expensive tough]. . I have no idea what is with computer enthusiasts and their willingness to suggest ridiculously overpowered systems for people to use. This isn't [H]ardocp, this is the real world where most people are not benching their hardware to brag on the internet. No one, unless you are video editing for a living or similar, needs 1366 processors or triple channel memory. No one needs SLI or Crossfire unless you're running obscene resolutions. The old dual cores are still more than powerful enough for gaming and basic general use, even more so if you get a good CPU cooler and overclock them. Futureproofing is useless because your build is going to be outdated in 3 years time...so the smart idea is to get the most sensibly powerful build, put the cash in the rainy day pile, and buy new stuff in 3 years time. All you need in terms of hardware: Processor: i5 750 Motherboard: Any Asus or Gigabyte P55 motherboard RAM: 4GB of any sort of RAM (check compatibility with motherboard, Gigabyte boards hate some RAM) Graphics cards: ATI 5750, 5770, 5850, or nVidia 470 if you can get it at around 5850 prices PSU: 550w Corsair or Seasonic PSU Case: Your choice. If you think this isn't powerful enough for basic use and gaming, god help you because you have really high standards. | ||
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FragKrag
United States11567 Posts
I'd also like to add that if you don't need a computer right now, the i5 760 is supposedly coming out Q3 this year. It's really just an i5 750 @ 2.8GHz | ||
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LonelyMargarita
1845 Posts
Part - price after rebates Intel i7 875k - $200+tax EVGA P55 SLI - $100 XFX 5770 - $150 4GB Corsair XMS3 - $67 OCZ Vertex 2 (50GB) - $150 WD Caviar Black (1TB) - $80 Corsair HX650 - $80 Antec 300 - $30 CM Hyper 212+ - $25 Total - $882 I'll probably need more RAM, since I need to do a lot of photo editing. For now, I hope it starts up ok Monday night. | ||
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semantics
10040 Posts
On June 12 2010 13:47 FragKrag wrote: ^listen to this man I'd also like to add that if you don't need a computer right now, the i5 760 is supposedly coming out Q3 this year. It's really just an i5 750 @ 2.8GHz Well ocers will love it if it's like the 920 ->930 transition, which made a more consistent chip | ||
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FragKrag
United States11567 Posts
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Deleted User 47542
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@subwoof, he said he had a 1.2k budget so might as well pull in as much as possible  With a lesser budget i5 750 / phenom ii 955's are much better for the money of course. I personally play almost every high end game for the hell of it, fuck my 5970 can't even play metro2033 at max so I'm going to be getting a 5850 to tri-fire it D: Also looking forward to Crysis 2, and whatever is coming after Bad Company 2. Really the trick to building is just to find good deals. My system probably costs well over $2000 retail but I got most of my stuff really really cheap. When I say buying used, of course I mean products that still have warranties. Most high end GPU's have lifetime warranties anyways as long as the seller is willing to help you out or if you buy from XFX which has a transferable warranty. | ||
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Subwoofermate
293 Posts
A i5 750 will perform exactly the same as any i7 processor for any typical user so why waste money? A typical user will not be able to use any of the benefits i7 processors provide (hyperthreading, triple channel memory, etc). Only now are dual cores starting to show their age in gaming. As resolutions increase, the better GPU you need. But because of the large resolution, anti-aliasing can be lowered or completely turned off to increase performance without the game looking like complete ass. A 5850 can run any game more than adequately so long as you lower the anti-aliasing. OK, sure there will be more jagged lines but if you're not real OCD about it, the image quality won't really bother you at all if the resolution is large enough and you're not purposely picking out jaggies. Any normal person will be fine with this performance. Its already better than any console. As I said before, SLI and Crossfire is only worth it if you're running obscene resolutions (eyefinity configurations, that type of stuff), if not there is no point. | ||
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