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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
February 23 2010 07:56 GMT
#21
You can't just say "nydus is out" without providing a replay first
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Twilight Templar
Profile Joined April 2009
99 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-23 08:05:21
February 23 2010 07:58 GMT
#22
I had to come out of lurking for this.
This seems to be the second thread where you claim a build has no holes in it for a certain matchup. Then when you say you'll prove it all we get is "I'm testing it right now you guys, come on believe me." Before anyone will ever believe you, you need to post a series of replays showing you holding off everything that has been said in this thread. Only then will you really start getting some real attention to these flawless builds you keep making.
I didn't mean to come off sounding rude, so i'm sorry if I did.

EDIT: after rereading your previous post you said you were using your air units to kill the ovies spewing creep. Sorry to burst your bubble but worms don't need creep as far as i know. So either your lieing to get attention or i'm really misinformed. If it's the latter please forgive me.
dum dadi do dum dum dee do dee da
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
February 23 2010 08:26 GMT
#23
On February 23 2010 16:58 Twilight Templar wrote:
I had to come out of lurking for this.
This seems to be the second thread where you claim a build has no holes in it for a certain matchup. Then when you say you'll prove it all we get is "I'm testing it right now you guys, come on believe me." Before anyone will ever believe you, you need to post a series of replays showing you holding off everything that has been said in this thread. Only then will you really start getting some real attention to these flawless builds you keep making.
I didn't mean to come off sounding rude, so i'm sorry if I did.

EDIT: after rereading your previous post you said you were using your air units to kill the ovies spewing creep. Sorry to burst your bubble but worms don't need creep as far as i know. So either your lieing to get attention or i'm really misinformed. If it's the latter please forgive me.


He didn't said it has no holes he said that it's just a viable build .... you are misinformed i'm pretty sure it needs creep from overlords .
geno
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1404 Posts
February 23 2010 08:32 GMT
#24
I'm fairly certain that unless they changed the build extremely recently, nydus worms do not require creep.
Twilight Templar
Profile Joined April 2009
99 Posts
February 23 2010 08:34 GMT
#25
On February 23 2010 17:26 raga4ka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2010 16:58 Twilight Templar wrote:
I had to come out of lurking for this.
This seems to be the second thread where you claim a build has no holes in it for a certain matchup. Then when you say you'll prove it all we get is "I'm testing it right now you guys, come on believe me." Before anyone will ever believe you, you need to post a series of replays showing you holding off everything that has been said in this thread. Only then will you really start getting some real attention to these flawless builds you keep making.
I didn't mean to come off sounding rude, so i'm sorry if I did.

EDIT: after rereading your previous post you said you were using your air units to kill the ovies spewing creep. Sorry to burst your bubble but worms don't need creep as far as i know. So either your lieing to get attention or i'm really misinformed. If it's the latter please forgive me.


He didn't said it has no holes he said that it's just a viable build .... you are misinformed i'm pretty sure it needs creep from overlords .

i was almost positive that it doesn't require creep, my mistake i suppose.
dum dadi do dum dum dee do dee da
Floophead_III
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1832 Posts
February 23 2010 08:36 GMT
#26
I just discovered the imbaness that is 1 hatch roach LOL. I told my friend phil who I'm testing with to be as cheesy aggressive as he wants, and he waltzes into my 1 cannon with 11 roaches and I cried.

BUT, that build is so ridiculously allin I can't even begin to describe the level of allinness of the build. Therefore, After gateway I just jumped straight to mass cannons/multiple pylons at the front. I probably overdid it a little bit on cannons and needed more pylons cause I escaped with a 10 hp pylon or something, being the only thing powering my cannons 0.0

However after his attack, I had 44 probes, he had 17 drones and 1 hatch without lair tech. It's completely defendable it just doesn't hit in a timing window any sc1 player is used to. The important thing is to cut probes about the point your gateway warps in and really start pumping the cannons. Throw up a gas and cyber when you feel you got like 6 cannons or so. Another thing is to make sure you have a really solid simcity so the roaches can't just waltz by. This is standard sc1 stuff though and any skilled protoss knows it's the key to preventing losses to cheese with an FE.

Result: this build can defend the allin bullshit that is 1 hatch roach rush if you know it's coming (and it is impossible not to....)
Half man, half bear, half pig.
silencefc
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States875 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-23 08:38:16
February 23 2010 08:37 GMT
#27
It doesn't require creep. I used it today. I know for certain fact that Nydus Canal exits do not require creep. All a Zerg player has to do is get something like a 3x3 sized field of vision inside your main to fit a Nydus exit in; suicide an OL or two.
Slice like a goddamn hammer.
Floophead_III
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1832 Posts
February 23 2010 08:40 GMT
#28
I was not aware they recently changed the nydus mechanic. I will do more testing. It is quite possible that the change makes FE extremely difficult, maybe impossible. It is also possible that it is completely defendable.
Half man, half bear, half pig.
CowGoMoo
Profile Joined December 2006
United States428 Posts
February 23 2010 08:53 GMT
#29
IMO you dont get to use chrono enough when u FE like this to make it worth while. U basically cut a ton of probes for ur second nexus, while Zerg can do just about anything he wants and be ahead.
Floophead_III
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1832 Posts
February 23 2010 09:00 GMT
#30
That makes no sense at all. There is no probe cutting in this build. Chrono is used on the nexuses themselves to pump out an ungodly amount of probes. I actually have so many probes by the time I'd be getting my core I'm already so far ahead of a 1 base zerg I never have to make another probe. Please don't post things when you have no clue what you are talking about.
Half man, half bear, half pig.
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-23 09:04:05
February 23 2010 09:02 GMT
#31
On February 23 2010 17:34 Twilight Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2010 17:26 raga4ka wrote:
On February 23 2010 16:58 Twilight Templar wrote:
I had to come out of lurking for this.
This seems to be the second thread where you claim a build has no holes in it for a certain matchup. Then when you say you'll prove it all we get is "I'm testing it right now you guys, come on believe me." Before anyone will ever believe you, you need to post a series of replays showing you holding off everything that has been said in this thread. Only then will you really start getting some real attention to these flawless builds you keep making.
I didn't mean to come off sounding rude, so i'm sorry if I did.

EDIT: after rereading your previous post you said you were using your air units to kill the ovies spewing creep. Sorry to burst your bubble but worms don't need creep as far as i know. So either your lieing to get attention or i'm really misinformed. If it's the latter please forgive me.


He didn't said it has no holes he said that it's just a viable build .... you are misinformed i'm pretty sure it needs creep from overlords .

i was almost positive that it doesn't require creep, my mistake i suppose.


I don't know either i just saw a couple of guys on stream using the overlord generate creep and after that the nudis worm they could just be bad , but it made sence to me that a nudis worm needs creep to build ...
PlutoNZ
Profile Joined February 2008
New Zealand410 Posts
February 23 2010 09:05 GMT
#32
17 Drones? When I go for a Roach rush, I have more than 17 drones before I make my first Roach.

I vsed KiWiKaKi and he did a FE with cannons build. I didn't do any early aggression. I just sat on two bases and made a ton of Drones while going to lair. At lair I went muta ling and just rushed his expo, winning the game very easily.

What league and ELO are you?
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
February 23 2010 09:06 GMT
#33
Nydus 100% does not need creep to build - it even spawns its own creep >.<
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
pat965
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada274 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-23 09:09:11
February 23 2010 09:08 GMT
#34
On February 23 2010 17:26 raga4ka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2010 16:58 Twilight Templar wrote:
I had to come out of lurking for this.
This seems to be the second thread where you claim a build has no holes in it for a certain matchup. Then when you say you'll prove it all we get is "I'm testing it right now you guys, come on believe me." Before anyone will ever believe you, you need to post a series of replays showing you holding off everything that has been said in this thread. Only then will you really start getting some real attention to these flawless builds you keep making.
I didn't mean to come off sounding rude, so i'm sorry if I did.

EDIT: after rereading your previous post you said you were using your air units to kill the ovies spewing creep. Sorry to burst your bubble but worms don't need creep as far as i know. So either your lieing to get attention or i'm really misinformed. If it's the latter please forgive me.


He didn't said it has no holes he said that it's just a viable build .... you are misinformed i'm pretty sure it needs creep from overlords .



On February 23 2010 18:02 raga4ka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2010 17:34 Twilight Templar wrote:
On February 23 2010 17:26 raga4ka wrote:
On February 23 2010 16:58 Twilight Templar wrote:
I had to come out of lurking for this.
This seems to be the second thread where you claim a build has no holes in it for a certain matchup. Then when you say you'll prove it all we get is "I'm testing it right now you guys, come on believe me." Before anyone will ever believe you, you need to post a series of replays showing you holding off everything that has been said in this thread. Only then will you really start getting some real attention to these flawless builds you keep making.
I didn't mean to come off sounding rude, so i'm sorry if I did.

EDIT: after rereading your previous post you said you were using your air units to kill the ovies spewing creep. Sorry to burst your bubble but worms don't need creep as far as i know. So either your lieing to get attention or i'm really misinformed. If it's the latter please forgive me.


He didn't said it has no holes he said that it's just a viable build .... you are misinformed i'm pretty sure it needs creep from overlords .

i was almost positive that it doesn't require creep, my mistake i suppose.


I don't know either i just saw a couple of guys on stream using the overlord generate creep and after that the nudis worm they could just be bad , but it made sence to me that a nudis worm needs creep to build ...


Argh, if you guys aren't certain of facts please don't assert with such authority that you're correct.
hi
Dr.Frost
Profile Joined April 2009
United States389 Posts
February 23 2010 09:10 GMT
#35
Yeah I have played vs him while h does this build and it just plain doesn't work. I am sure its possible to pull off a win occassionally but anyone who tries this dies to early aggression. The modern F/E you know in sc 1 just doesn't work as well in sc 2. It is too easy to see the expo and say okay I am going roach and ending this game now.
They are here to right our fall, they have heard someones troubled call???
Floophead_III
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1832 Posts
February 23 2010 09:12 GMT
#36
Just checked, nydus worm does NOT require creep, which personally I think is quite imbalanced, but we'll put that bias aside for now.

Searingshadow, I asked him to go for the FASTEST and CHEEZIEST roach rush possible. The later the rush is the even easier it is to stop. I am curious as to what build you are actually doing, because it sounds like a 2 hatch roach build, which is very different and will hit much later.
Half man, half bear, half pig.
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-23 09:20:07
February 23 2010 09:18 GMT
#37
On February 23 2010 18:00 Floophead_III wrote:
That makes no sense at all. There is no probe cutting in this build. Chrono is used on the nexuses themselves to pump out an ungodly amount of probes. I actually have so many probes by the time I'd be getting my core I'm already so far ahead of a 1 base zerg I never have to make another probe. Please don't post things when you have no clue what you are talking about.


And do please post some replays with you winning with this build against decent zerg players or your guide is pointless ....
Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
February 23 2010 09:19 GMT
#38
Zerg player only needs vision and he will be able to build nydus canals all over the place. Some of the more popular nydus all-ins that has worked very well:
  • to sneak in a early lone zergling into the opponents base and let it sit there until you are ready.
  • make 1 single muta and fly over the opponents base.
  • Use overlords since they have long visual range.
  • Make a changeling and walk past your opponents army into their base.
  • Make roach with Burrow and simply walk under your opponents army and into his base.

These are the ones I've actually seen during games, could be more ways though.
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
February 23 2010 09:20 GMT
#39
PM me when you have replays to upload, until then im closing this thread.
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