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Well, this is probably one of the most epic awesome and long (4 hours T_T) matchups and playoff I saw for a long long time! It was a very close game and I will have to say my regards to Khan WHO ALMOST score a victory against CJ..... I mean after Jangbi, they had 4 FREAKING CHANCES to win, just one win and gg while for CJ, they only had one shot which is to win 4 games in a row. This is why I was amazed and surprising for a lot of us. But oh man, Effort shows a great promise in a stage of best zerg title though that's all we have to see and wait.
So congrats to CJ and their fanboys for now moving on to semifinals. BUT NO MORE, NO MORE CAN THEY PASS THROUGH. I'm saying this as my own SKT1 fanboy that I will recognize and acknowledge their potential of what would happen if a grand finals between SKT1 vs CJ. I will even put it right now and down that despite CJ passing through OZ's gate, they will still have a more trouble hard time of winning and it strongly favors SKT1 more than CJ in this game. But like I said, OZ is still strong and CJ moving forward will give a bigger challenge than OZ would against SKT1 in which I cannot allow it to happen just because I want SKT1 to win so badly. I would rather have a 99% successful win rate against OZ in grand finals than a 50/50 total blood bath battles of CJ vs SKT1 despite the epicness they may cause.... But we'll just have to see, I strongly doubt OZ would easily give CJ a golden plate to just cruise and pass thru to the Grand Finals...
That being said, I have "live" recorded today's matches from the beginning of set 1 to the super ace final and put it on my livestream in the "ON-demand" section. So anyone who missed or wanna rewatch the epic matches of what caused the victory, may do so in my stream by going to the "on-demand". Where is my stream?? well for you lazy folks, go to OP where my link is there by looking at my name but if you can't do that...then don't watch....
Note: I recommend watching from set 3 and on (which is part 2 of the day 2 of my on-demand) solely because set 1 and 2, I had a laggy weird stream due to VLC dying but it was back on at set 3 which I have a separate recording...
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On July 26 2009 17:27 7mk wrote:
Sounds to me like you don't really know how ZvP works on this map.
At no point was stork "completely dominating"
On July 26 2009 17:35 B1nary wrote:
If you guys watched the replay, Effort had 1500 mins and gas for most of the midgame, when he was holding Stork off with lings. It went to like 2000/700 when he got the defilers out. When he started building ultras, he was at about 2000/2000. A progamer of Effort's caliber does not accumulate so much money unintentionally. Despite what it looked like during the game, Stork was never really in control. Effort, like Savior before him, knew exactly how much he needed to survive and waited for ultras before exploding and killing Stork almost instantly. Watch Effort vs FBH from yesterday. You'll see that this game is almost an exact replica of that one, albeit PvZ instead of TvZ o_O
i dont know how much do you really need to know about zvp to see that efforts opening build was completely trounced by stork, he was lucky to almost kill that nexus with a bunch of probes too( sair didnt get there in time) After that it was effort walled off mining off 2 extra gases, spending it on lurkers, tryingto wear down storks army but never outmassing him once. Stork expands freely, main thing not to allow in zvp by the way, starts massing further
if you think that 2000/2000 ultra is an instawin youre wrong. Just liek efforts muta/scourge vs sair, anyone else woulda lost all of it by midgame, effort just that unbelievable. Goons are actually FINE vs ultra, he just shouldntve lost all of his army attacking zerg in his swarms/sunkens. He had the map, he had the air, he only had to keep running the game, not ending it. Zerg needed to expand sooner or later either way, otherwise hed be mined out in 5 minutes
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On July 26 2009 17:45 OneOther wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2009 17:39 7mk wrote:On July 26 2009 17:37 psion0011 wrote:On July 26 2009 17:35 B1nary wrote:
If you guys watched the replay, Effort had 1500 mins and gas for most of the midgame, when he was holding Stork off with lings. It went to like 2000/700 when he got the defilers out. When he started building ultras, he was at about 2000/2000. A progamer of Effort's caliber does not accumulate so much money unintentionally. Despite what it looked like during the game, Stork was never really in control. Effort, like Savior before him, knew exactly how much he needed to survive and waited for ultras before exploding and killing Stork almost instantly. Watch Effort vs FBH from yesterday. You'll see that this game is almost an exact replica of that one, albeit PvZ instead of TvZ o_O He also consumed an ultra with his defiler out of kindness, clearly showing he was in complete control of the game and gave some slack to stork. good post b1nary I also wholeheartedly disagree with people saying stork was completely in command that game i dont think anybody is saying that lol
There were people saying that, one of em I commented on directly
saying stork "dictated" and "completely dominated"
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Stork would have won that game on any other map, the strat would be perfect on a map like Destination where the zerg has more than one choke, effort was never be able to get an expansion up that wasn't behind his coke. Any other map he would have been a 2 base zerg and lost.
Storks fault for using the start on outsider against a player of efforts caliber.
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Nobody has pointed out that stork cute TONS of probes in the earlygame for a 'semi' all-in 3 gate goon build and converted that into a decently long game. If he was able to get back on track after his huge opening gamble failed then effort would have had to fuck up alot. I'm not saying that stork was behind all game either, he had a very large army, but he also had no robo or archives and late upgrades because of his opening. Effort was ahead all game in tech and timing while stork was ahead in unit count (although a bad mid to latemidgame mix for sure) , air dominance and even on minerals, although utterly starved for gas.
Efforts lurkers FORCED stork to delay templar and zealot/archon much longer then he would have naturally choosen and then after storks gas starved, upgrade lacking, goon heavy army finally had obs, effort had cracklings. OneOther is right. Stork needed to just camp the 'outside' double gas and sair/reaver/dt defense his way into the lategame once effort had cracklings stork had no alternatives, he was dead. Its not like goon/zealot/archon/cannon is all that great against ultra/ling/defiler anyway, esp is a defensive situation.
A sair/reaver opening would have been much smarter.
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On July 26 2009 17:55 AttackZerg wrote:
Nobody has pointed out that stork cute TONS of probes in the earlygame for a 'semi' all-in 3 gate goon build and converted that into a decently long game. If he was able to get back on track after his huge opening gamble failed then effort would have had to fuck up alot. I'm not saying that stork was behind all game either, he had a very large army, but he also had no robo or archives and late upgrades because of his opening. Effort was ahead all game in tech and timing while stork was ahead in unit count (although a bad mid to latemidgame mix for sure) , air dominance and even on minerals, although utterly starved for gas.
Efforts lurkers FORCED stork to delay templar and zealot/archon much longer then he would have naturally choosen and then after storks gas starved, upgrade lacking, goon heavy army finally had obs, effort had cracklings. OneOther is right. Stork needed to just camp the 'outside' double gas and sair/reaver/dt defense his way into the lategame once effort had cracklings stork had no alternatives, he was dead. Its not like goon/zealot/archon/cannon is all that great against ultra/ling/defiler anyway, esp is a defensive situation.
A sair/reaver opening would have been much smarter.
I feel like stork just couldn't decide whether he wanted to kill effort off before the Ultras or whether he really wanted to prepare for a late late game
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On July 26 2009 17:47 food wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2009 17:27 7mk wrote:
Sounds to me like you don't really know how ZvP works on this map.
At no point was stork "completely dominating"
Show nested quote +On July 26 2009 17:35 B1nary wrote:
If you guys watched the replay, Effort had 1500 mins and gas for most of the midgame, when he was holding Stork off with lings. It went to like 2000/700 when he got the defilers out. When he started building ultras, he was at about 2000/2000. A progamer of Effort's caliber does not accumulate so much money unintentionally. Despite what it looked like during the game, Stork was never really in control. Effort, like Savior before him, knew exactly how much he needed to survive and waited for ultras before exploding and killing Stork almost instantly. Watch Effort vs FBH from yesterday. You'll see that this game is almost an exact replica of that one, albeit PvZ instead of TvZ o_O i dont know how much do you really need to know about zvp to see that efforts opening build was completely trounced by stork, he was lucky to almost kill that nexus with a bunch of probes too( sair didnt get there in time) After that it was effort walled off mining off 2 extra gases, spending it on lurkers, tryingto wear down storks army but never outmassing him once. Stork expands freely, main thing not to allow in zvp by the way, starts massing further if you think that 2000/2000 ultra is an instawin youre wrong. Just liek efforts muta/scourge vs sair, anyone else woulda lost all of it by midgame, effort just that unbelievable. Goons are actually FINE vs ultra, he just shouldntve lost all of his army attacking zerg in his swarms/sunkens. He had the map, he had the air, he only had to keep running the game, not ending it. Zerg needed to expand sooner or later either way, otherwise hed be mined out in 5 minutes
Wth how do you manage to quote b1nary's post and still make points which are explained in that same post.
"he was never outmassing him once"
yeah cause he didn't try to. he was content with building lings and wearing down storks army bit by bit with ling defiler, while saving up gas and minerals for Ultras.
He didn't really spend all his 4 gas on lurkers like you make it sound, he only had very few of them, mainly to be annoying and to delay templar tech.
And yes goons are fine against ultra but Ultraling>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>goons.
I also find it funny to say "he was lucky to kill that nexus" while most people would probably say
stork was lucky that nexus survived with like 50 hps.
In case you want another example of how this strategy works, watch yellow vs anytime on outsider.
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I couldn't bear to watch the games today because of yesterday... but so disappointed now that I didn't.
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Oh wow, Effort is now just a tenth of a percent behind Flash's career record. That's pretty amazing.
If he wins GOM today, he'll only be behind Jaedong. He's been absolutely on fire lately, even with a couple silly losses.
Samsung isn't the greatest team versus Zerg but damn if going 4-0 with 2 ace matches isn't impressive. Between him and Jaedong it really has been the year of zergs.
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On July 26 2009 18:07 7mk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2009 17:47 food wrote:On July 26 2009 17:27 7mk wrote:
Sounds to me like you don't really know how ZvP works on this map.
At no point was stork "completely dominating"
On July 26 2009 17:35 B1nary wrote:
If you guys watched the replay, Effort had 1500 mins and gas for most of the midgame, when he was holding Stork off with lings. It went to like 2000/700 when he got the defilers out. When he started building ultras, he was at about 2000/2000. A progamer of Effort's caliber does not accumulate so much money unintentionally. Despite what it looked like during the game, Stork was never really in control. Effort, like Savior before him, knew exactly how much he needed to survive and waited for ultras before exploding and killing Stork almost instantly. Watch Effort vs FBH from yesterday. You'll see that this game is almost an exact replica of that one, albeit PvZ instead of TvZ o_O i dont know how much do you really need to know about zvp to see that efforts opening build was completely trounced by stork, he was lucky to almost kill that nexus with a bunch of probes too( sair didnt get there in time) After that it was effort walled off mining off 2 extra gases, spending it on lurkers, tryingto wear down storks army but never outmassing him once. Stork expands freely, main thing not to allow in zvp by the way, starts massing further if you think that 2000/2000 ultra is an instawin youre wrong. Just liek efforts muta/scourge vs sair, anyone else woulda lost all of it by midgame, effort just that unbelievable. Goons are actually FINE vs ultra, he just shouldntve lost all of his army attacking zerg in his swarms/sunkens. He had the map, he had the air, he only had to keep running the game, not ending it. Zerg needed to expand sooner or later either way, otherwise hed be mined out in 5 minutes Wth how do you manage to quote b1nary's post and still make points which are explained in that same post. "he was never outmassing him once" yeah cause he didn't try to. he was content with building lings and wearing down storks army bit by bit with ling defiler, while saving up gas and minerals for Ultras. He didn't really spend all his 4 gas on lurkers like you make it sound, he only had very few of them, mainly to be annoying and to delay templar tech. And yes goons are fine against ultra but Ultraling>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>goons. In case you want another example of how this strategy works, watch yellow vs anytime on outsider.
thats all he could do after his opening, dont make it look like an expected scenario, it didnt go well for effort AT ALL with the build that stork used. He had to do what he did and ultimately stork used it to his favor expanding and accumulating army. Its hard to explain why he decided to attack right when ultra was coming out under swarms, but how do u argue stork wasnt in control of the game since you just said it yourself "effort was trying to wear down storks army"
Effort wasnt present on the map in any way until his ultaling/defiler hatched, that allows another player to be in CONTROL of the situation, he could decide how to proceed and he had FAVORABLE position to begin with. If he played it out right effort wouldnt be able to face him head on but his unit combination wasnt perfect for what he did
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126 pages? 126 PAGES? Holy cow.
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On July 26 2009 18:17 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Oh wow, Effort is now just a tenth of a percent behind Flash's career record. That's pretty amazing.
If he wins GOM today, he'll only be behind Jaedong. He's been absolutely on fire lately, even with a couple silly losses.
Samsung isn't the greatest team versus Zerg but damn if going 4-0 with 2 ace matches isn't impressive. Between him and Jaedong it really has been the year of zergs.
Haha, nix this, the proleauge results weren't quite in, he just passed up Flash. Career records are now dominated by two zergs. :>
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YEEEEEEES!!!! I love you Effort!!
I knew they would pull it off <3 And the games are already up on youtube. Looks like this is going to be another Starcraft Sunday. Gom semis next and then heritage finals with a super pumped Savior :D
This did wonders for my lb as well ^^
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oh no  khan... you were supposed to be in the finals, up there with T1...
props to CJ for pulling it out thou
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So many Khan's from Day 1 I want to go back, quote, and rub it in. I won't find people to quote, but I will rub it in, YEEAAAAAA SUCKAS!!!
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I hate that super Ace Match shit
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On July 26 2009 18:26 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2009 18:17 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Oh wow, Effort is now just a tenth of a percent behind Flash's career record. That's pretty amazing.
If he wins GOM today, he'll only be behind Jaedong. He's been absolutely on fire lately, even with a couple silly losses.
Samsung isn't the greatest team versus Zerg but damn if going 4-0 with 2 ace matches isn't impressive. Between him and Jaedong it really has been the year of zergs. Haha, nix this, the proleauge results weren't quite in, he just passed up Flash. Career records are now dominated by two zergs. :>
You spoke too soon. He's about 2% behind now and really, Flash has a lot more games played you can't really compare them.
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EffOrT !!!!!!!! you will be the next bonjowa =D
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