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baubo
China3370 Posts
Khan is a team people just don't notice. All their stars are slumping. Their young players, Juni and Miracle, have never done anything spectacular. Their best proleague players can't even sniff the starleagues. It's like the whole team looks like crap. That said, one important note is that Great's worst matchup by far is his ZvT. Which I personally find to be the biggest problem with this matchup in regards to Khan. | ||
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soudo
603 Posts
 Iris >  oDinsKyHigh > greatEffOrt < firebathero Kwanro > Miracle Movie < JangBi Much < Stork EffOrt > StorkI'll never give up on FBH's TvZ. Doesn't matter who the zerg is or what condition he's in. Ace match could go either way I think. Stork's done well on Outsider, but overall his PvZ leaves much to be desired. Effort on the other hand is good at everything. We've yet to see how Effort performs against a P on Outsider, but I think that's an advantage for him as it keeps Stork guessing. | ||
p4NDemik
United States13896 Posts
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Frankly, I don't think FBH's TvZ was ever up to snuff. He did take down big names, but he hasn't shown any consistency in his games. | ||
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p4NDemik
United States13896 Posts
On July 23 2009 16:50 Mystlord wrote: Lol why'd you include my predictions in the OP kona. All I did was give a 1 line reason D: Frankly, I don't think FBH's TvZ was ever up to snuff. He did take down big names, but he hasn't shown any consistency in his games. FBH's TvZ has been very consistent from the moment he broke onto the scene up until about 7 months ago ... I don't understand where you're getting that idea. During only one 3-month period since March 2006 did he ever dip under 50% for the matchup, and that was recently, after he started slumping about the time of the New Year: 06 March - June: 5-3 06 August - Oct: 3-3 06 Nov - 07 Feb: 8-3 07 Feb - May: 9-2 07 June - Sept: 6-6 07 Nov - 08 Feb: 4-3 08 May - Aug: 5-2 08 Nov - 09 Feb: 8-9 09 April - July: 4-3 Overall: 52-34 (60.5%) Granted, this is including prelims for the sake of a better sample size for each 3 month period, but that doesn't really change the fact that aside from his recent stumble FBH has always been a solidly above-average TvZ player. Man I don't even know why I'm pointing this out, EffOrt is going to ROFLstomp this pathetic pelvic-thrusting shell of a progamer anyways. Neo-sAviOr revenge baby! | ||
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
On July 23 2009 17:43 Mystlord wrote: yeah 3-2 against savior when he was the #1 zerg in the world, thats a chumps job. Ye know, I 3-2'd Jaedong just the other day? Not too hard tbh.If you look at the players he faced during the time periods where he was supposedly "good", he wasn't exactly fighting the best players on the scene. Also, how do you get knocked out the MSL by.. ][Min][Gu][? Then you lose 1-2 to JungHoon, then you get knocked out of the OSL by ggaemo. Does not compute for me. | ||
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Kentor
United States5784 Posts
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p4NDemik
United States13896 Posts
On July 23 2009 17:43 Mystlord wrote: If you look at the players he faced during the time periods where he was supposedly "good", he wasn't exactly fighting the best players on the scene. Also, how do you get knocked out the MSL by.. ][Min][Gu][? Then you lose 1-2 to JungHoon, then you get knocked out of the OSL by ggaemo. Does not compute for me. A win is a win. They're all progamers, and the fact that for basically 2 3/4 years he never had one 3 month period where he went less than 50% is a testament to his skill. I detest it when people say "but the players - the players he played sucked!" that argument only hold water if a guy is consistently playing the dregs of the scene, and that is just never the case with your top players nowadays. You should be looking at #1) how well the guy played the matchup in terms of what you see from his in-game performance, and #2) if he's plain and simple getting the wins. And during that time period FBH did both very well. And EVERYONE, I mean EVERYONE has bad losses in prelims/offline tourneys to the JungHoon's and ][Min][Gu]['s of the world. I'm telling you man, I'm as big of a FBH hater as anyone out there, but I can't deny he was one of the most consistently good TvZ players from 2006 through the end of 2008. | ||
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BisuBoi
United States350 Posts
On July 23 2009 11:11 Ronald_McD wrote: Wow. Khan's lineup is just suicide. They're counting on 3 barely known and 1 slumping player to score a win against some of CJ's best. I don't know why they would risk the chance of getting 4-0'd and having Stork and Jangbi not get the chance to even play their games. But of course anything can happen, so it's not very unlikely they'll squeeze at least one win out of the first four matches. Either way I think CJ's gonna take this one, hands down Because Stork and JB can only get 3 possible wins anyways? I don't get why people always ask this question. 4-3 or 4-0 has no difference. One of their shitty players has to win regardless for Khan to win the match. Throwing JB or Stork onto a map they're not trained for just to try to get one win is the true suicide. | ||
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Dizigen
Canada28 Posts
4-3 Khan. | ||
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Jakalo
Latvia2350 Posts
And January will be so pissed. | ||
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baubo
China3370 Posts
On July 23 2009 18:05 BisuBoi wrote: Because Stork and JB can only get 3 possible wins anyways? I don't get why people always ask this question. 4-3 or 4-0 has no difference. One of their shitty players has to win regardless for Khan to win the match. Throwing JB or Stork onto a map they're not trained for just to try to get one win is the true suicide. Well, winning 4-1 and losing 3-4 allows you to bitch about how unfair the proleague rules are and how it implies winning 7-5 rather than being tied 1-1 going into Super Ace. | ||
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QuickStriker
United States3694 Posts
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FragKrag
United States11539 Posts
Khan is shiet. 4-0 for CJ imo If it isn't 4-0, it's going to be 4-3 CJ | ||
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MuffinDude
United States3837 Posts
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On July 24 2009 11:42 MuffinDude wrote: January probably had good reason for putting jangbi/stork in the 5/6 game. Sure putting them in the first 4 games might prevent 4 - 0, but strategically speaking, WHO THE FUCK CARES! January put jangbi/stork 5/6 because she probably felt that they had a higher chance of winning there. 4 - 0 and 4 - 2 are THE SAME FCKING THING IN THIS PL FORMAT, so guys, stop talking how khan could avoid getting 4 - 0ed by putting jangbi/stork earlier. Except that it's stupid because by putting them 5 and 6, you let CJ get momentum, and that is as important in an e-sport as it is in any other sport. If CJ starts racking in win 1, then 2, then 3, KHAN's spirits will drop while CJ's will rise, and they will play accordingly, making it much harder for KHAN to come back and win. Furthermore, the last thing you'd want to do against CJ is bring them to an ACE match if you're KHAN. KHAN is a team full of slumping players - FBH, Jangbi, and Stork are all slumping fairly badly. CJ is full of rising talent and good ace players. Skyhigh, Kwanro, and Effort are rising stars (each being some of the best of their respective races), while Iris is coming back with a big hurrah lately, being a seasoned veteran and all. They still have Savior, and while he's slumping, he is still one of the 4 Bonjwa, is incredibly smart and knows the game well, and could bounce back quite easily. The rest of CJ's lineup isn't to be looked over either - Much is a great veteran Protoss and Movie is a sniper, while the young talent looks promising. My overall point is to take this kind of risk against a team like CJ is stupid, no matter which way you look at it. | ||
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FranzF1
Chile1710 Posts
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dinmsab
Malaysia2246 Posts
On July 24 2009 08:01 FragKrag wrote: FBH won't win. Khan is shiet. 4-0 for CJ imo If it isn't 4-0, it's going to be 4-3 CJ On July 23 2009 07:26 Itachii wrote: CJ 4-0, fuck you Khan. I guess its kinda true what they say about CJ fans. + Show Spoiler + most annoying fans ever | ||
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Nitan
United States3401 Posts
On July 24 2009 12:42 dinmsab wrote: I guess its kinda true what they say about CJ fans. + Show Spoiler + most annoying fans ever Like everything else I am quite certain SKT1 should be number 1 here. | ||
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