[SPL] Playoffs - CJ Entus vs Samsung Khan Day 1 - Page 6

baubo

China3370 Posts

July 23 2009 04:46 GMT

#101

Things look really bad for Khan. But then again, I thought that last week and somehow they pulled through.

Khan is a team people just don't notice. All their stars are slumping. Their young players, Juni and Miracle, have never done anything spectacular. Their best proleague players can't even sniff the starleagues. It's like the whole team looks like crap.

That said, one important note is that Great's worst matchup by far is his ZvT. Which I personally find to be the biggest problem with this matchup in regards to Khan.

soudo

603 Posts

July 23 2009 07:39 GMT

#102

Iris > (Z)

oDin
sKyHigh > (Z)

great

EffOrt < firebathero
Kwanro > (T)

Miracle

Movie < JangBi
(P)

Much < Stork
EffOrt > (P)

Stork

I'll never give up on FBH's TvZ. Doesn't matter who the zerg is or what condition he's in.

Ace match could go either way I think. Stork's done well on Outsider, but overall his PvZ leaves much to be desired. Effort on the other hand is good at everything. We've yet to see how Effort performs against a P on Outsider, but I think that's an advantage for him as it keeps Stork guessing.

p4NDemik

United States13896 Posts

July 23 2009 07:47 GMT

#103

One thing to note about FBH's TvZ is that he hasn't played a wealth of S-Class zergs this year, just Jaedong in February (the mass hatch game) and Calm last week. He's definitely struggling, and not just against the big boys, but he hasn't had a lot of opportunities to look his best against the top competition. I'd give him a 30-35% shot of winning, but even if he does, it looks like KHAN is going to be down 1-3 going into the 5th set, and that's just not enough leeway for Stork and JangBi, who are really really struggling, and not the guys I would want to be counting on to win three straight.

Mystlord

United States10264 Posts

July 23 2009 07:50 GMT

#104

Lol why'd you include my predictions in the OP kona. All I did was give a 1 line reason D:

Frankly, I don't think FBH's TvZ was ever up to snuff. He did take down big names, but he hasn't shown any consistency in his games.

p4NDemik

United States13896 Posts

July 23 2009 08:29 GMT

#105

On July 23 2009 16:50 Mystlord wrote:
Lol why'd you include my predictions in the OP kona. All I did was give a 1 line reason D:

Frankly, I don't think FBH's TvZ was ever up to snuff. He did take down big names, but he hasn't shown any consistency in his games.

FBH's TvZ has been very consistent from the moment he broke onto the scene up until about 7 months ago ... I don't understand where you're getting that idea. During only one 3-month period since March 2006 did he ever dip under 50% for the matchup, and that was recently, after he started slumping about the time of the New Year:

06 March - June: 5-3
06 August - Oct: 3-3
06 Nov - 07 Feb: 8-3
07 Feb - May: 9-2
07 June - Sept: 6-6
07 Nov - 08 Feb: 4-3
08 May - Aug: 5-2
08 Nov - 09 Feb: 8-9
09 April - July: 4-3

Overall: 52-34 (60.5%)

Granted, this is including prelims for the sake of a better sample size for each 3 month period, but that doesn't really change the fact that aside from his recent stumble FBH has always been a solidly above-average TvZ player.

Man I don't even know why I'm pointing this out, EffOrt is going to ROFLstomp this pathetic pelvic-thrusting shell of a progamer anyways. Neo-sAviOr revenge baby!

Mystlord

United States10264 Posts

July 23 2009 08:43 GMT

#106

If you look at the players he faced during the time periods where he was supposedly "good", he wasn't exactly fighting the best players on the scene. Also, how do you get knocked out the MSL by.. ][Min][Gu][? Then you lose 1-2 to JungHoon, then you get knocked out of the OSL by ggaemo. Does not compute for me.

Dazed.

Canada3301 Posts

July 23 2009 08:50 GMT

#107

On July 23 2009 17:43 Mystlord wrote:
If you look at the players he faced during the time periods where he was supposedly "good", he wasn't exactly fighting the best players on the scene. Also, how do you get knocked out the MSL by.. ][Min][Gu][? Then you lose 1-2 to JungHoon, then you get knocked out of the OSL by ggaemo. Does not compute for me.

yeah 3-2 against savior when he was the #1 zerg in the world, thats a chumps job. Ye know, I 3-2'd Jaedong just the other day? Not too hard tbh.

Kentor

United States5784 Posts

July 23 2009 08:53 GMT

#108

i'll try streaming http://640.zeroboy.net/kentor

p4NDemik

United States13896 Posts

July 23 2009 08:54 GMT

#109

A win is a win. They're all progamers, and the fact that for basically 2 3/4 years he never had one 3 month period where he went less than 50% is a testament to his skill. I detest it when people say "but the players - the players he played sucked!" that argument only hold water if a guy is consistently playing the dregs of the scene, and that is just never the case with your top players nowadays. You should be looking at #1) how well the guy played the matchup in terms of what you see from his in-game performance, and #2) if he's plain and simple getting the wins. And during that time period FBH did both very well.

And EVERYONE, I mean EVERYONE has bad losses in prelims/offline tourneys to the (Z)

JungHoon's and (Z)

][Min][Gu]['s of the world. I'm telling you man, I'm as big of a FBH hater as anyone out there, but I can't deny he was one of the most consistently good TvZ players from 2006 through the end of 2008.

BisuBoi

United States350 Posts

July 23 2009 09:05 GMT

#110

On July 23 2009 11:11 Ronald_McD wrote:
Wow.
Khan's lineup is just suicide.
They're counting on 3 barely known and 1 slumping player to score a win against some of CJ's best. I don't know why they would risk the chance of getting 4-0'd and having Stork and Jangbi not get the chance to even play their games.
But of course anything can happen, so it's not very unlikely they'll squeeze at least one win out of the first four matches.

Either way I think CJ's gonna take this one, hands down

Because Stork and JB can only get 3 possible wins anyways? I don't get why people always ask this question. 4-3 or 4-0 has no difference. One of their shitty players has to win regardless for Khan to win the match. Throwing JB or Stork onto a map they're not trained for just to try to get one win is the true suicide.

Dizigen

Canada28 Posts

July 23 2009 18:49 GMT

#111

If there exists a team in e-sports history that can go from last to first in the play offs, I'm going to put my money on FBH's team. Because if you can thrust your pelvis in the face of jaedong and savior; if you can take this thing called "odds", defy it completely, and dance half-naked throwing ice-cream into the crowd, you get my vote. Sorry CJ fans, Khan already wins =]

4-3 Khan.

Jakalo

Latvia2350 Posts

July 23 2009 20:23 GMT

#112

I just somehow know that if it ever goes to 6th match Stork will blew it.

And January will be so pissed.

baubo

China3370 Posts

July 23 2009 21:44 GMT

#113

On July 23 2009 18:05 BisuBoi wrote:

Show nested quote +

Well, winning 4-1 and losing 3-4 allows you to bitch about how unfair the proleague rules are and how it implies winning 7-5 rather than being tied 1-1 going into Super Ace.

QuickStriker

United States3694 Posts

July 23 2009 21:45 GMT

#114

Wow, this game is still few days away and 6 pages already??? Well this proves this sure will be the ~~most~~ second epic matches to come!!!! (Most = BoxeR vs Yellow + NaDa vs sAviOr)

FragKrag

United States11567 Posts

July 23 2009 23:01 GMT

#115

FBH won't win.

Khan is shiet.
4-0 for CJ imo

If it isn't 4-0, it's going to be 4-3 CJ

MuffinDude

United States3837 Posts

July 24 2009 02:42 GMT

#116

January probably had good reason for putting jangbi/stork in the 5/6 game. Sure putting them in the first 4 games might prevent 4 - 0, but strategically speaking, WHO THE FUCK CARES! January put jangbi/stork 5/6 because she probably felt that they had a higher chance of winning there. 4 - 0 and 4 - 2 are THE SAME FCKING THING IN THIS PL FORMAT, so guys, stop talking how khan could avoid getting 4 - 0ed by putting jangbi/stork earlier.

Stratos_speAr

United States6959 Posts

July 24 2009 02:53 GMT

#117

On July 24 2009 11:42 MuffinDude wrote:
January probably had good reason for putting jangbi/stork in the 5/6 game. Sure putting them in the first 4 games might prevent 4 - 0, but strategically speaking, WHO THE FUCK CARES! January put jangbi/stork 5/6 because she probably felt that they had a higher chance of winning there. 4 - 0 and 4 - 2 are THE SAME FCKING THING IN THIS PL FORMAT, so guys, stop talking how khan could avoid getting 4 - 0ed by putting jangbi/stork earlier.

Except that it's stupid because by putting them 5 and 6, you let CJ get momentum, and that is as important in an e-sport as it is in any other sport. If CJ starts racking in win 1, then 2, then 3, KHAN's spirits will drop while CJ's will rise, and they will play accordingly, making it much harder for KHAN to come back and win. Furthermore, the last thing you'd want to do against CJ is bring them to an ACE match if you're KHAN. KHAN is a team full of slumping players - FBH, Jangbi, and Stork are all slumping fairly badly. CJ is full of rising talent and good ace players. Skyhigh, Kwanro, and Effort are rising stars (each being some of the best of their respective races), while Iris is coming back with a big hurrah lately, being a seasoned veteran and all. They still have Savior, and while he's slumping, he is still one of the 4 Bonjwa, is incredibly smart and knows the game well, and could bounce back quite easily. The rest of CJ's lineup isn't to be looked over either - Much is a great veteran Protoss and Movie is a sniper, while the young talent looks promising. My overall point is to take this kind of risk against a team like CJ is stupid, no matter which way you look at it.

FranzF1

Chile1710 Posts

July 24 2009 02:54 GMT

#118

January put Jangbi/stork in the 5/6 game cus they want to rest for the second day, Khan will win 4-0 with ez mode ON. the only treat for Khan its SKT1 because of Bisu/Fantasy two Protoss killers