EPTKwanro will kwanroll that motherfucker.
[SPL] CJ Entus vs KT MagicNs - Page 4
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vx70GTOJudgexv
United States3161 Posts
Kwanro will kwanroll that motherfucker. | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
On June 15 2009 09:55 mog87 wrote: how does everyone surmise Luxury's terribleness is over? He beat Zero, who is playing pretty shaky atm, and beat Hwasin with some crazy stuff again. I think its a bit early to call him out of a slump, when he wins only 2 games. Strange though how flash loses 2 games and all of a sudden hes "slumping"..weird yo. And since when has luxurys ZvP EVER been better than his ZvT? I would guess since his near-200-game-sample shows it to be so. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
Kwanro 52% 48% Violet Iris 33% 67% Flash 815 46% 54% Effort Much 57% 43% Luxury. . I think it's interesting how close these are for the most part, with the issue being that the ELO of both violet and effort are peaking in the matchups they're playing, so it's impossible to tell if this is their true elo. However, Kwanro is barely favored even not taking that into account, and 815 is actually peaking in his ZvZ, so both of those matches are probably going to be close. Edit : Oh, and I put Flash Effort in as well, that was 57% for Flash. | ||
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Tyxiquale
Australia424 Posts
On June 15 2009 10:19 Nevuk wrote: I put the respective matchup elo into a calculation site, and got this result : Kwanro 52% 48% Violet Iris 33% 67% Flash 815 46% 54% Effort Much 57% 43% Luxury. . I think it's interesting how close these are for the most part, with the issue being that the ELO of both violet and effort are peaking in the matchups they're playing, so it's impossible to tell if this is their true elo. However, Kwanro is barely favored even not taking that into account, and 815 is actually peaking in his ZvZ, so both of those matches are probably going to be close. Edit : Oh, and I put Flash Effort in as well, that was 57% for Flash. hmm.. how do your calculations work? Do you take into account map imbalance and past records? | ||
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On June 15 2009 10:07 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: I would guess since his near-200-game-sample shows it to be so. Even taking that into account watching only the last year of starcraft shows a Luxury with solid ZvT and pretty terrible ZvP until the Lost Saga MSL. | ||
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Tyxiquale
Australia424 Posts
I mean.. he movied movie OUT of his group, and chucked in effort.. of all people.. | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8551 Posts
On June 15 2009 07:41 JitNik wrote: its actually his zvt. in fact he has the most zvp played games out of any s-class player this year So you're going to disagree with Luxury himself what MU he is worst at? Okay, if that fancies you. | ||
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Mykill
Canada3402 Posts
we'll see what he does for this game. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On June 15 2009 10:38 Tyxiquale wrote: hmm.. how do your calculations work? Do you take into account map imbalance and past records? I just used this : http://www.3dkingdoms.com/chess/elo.htm , which is the comparison % that chess players with those elo's would have vs each other. Map imbalance definitely isn't taken into account, nor is record against each other. | ||
Ver
United States2186 Posts
On June 15 2009 10:42 Jayme wrote: Even taking that into account watching only the last year of starcraft shows a Luxury with solid ZvT and pretty terrible ZvP until the Lost Saga MSL. Lux's ZvT has always delivered in big games while his ZvP usually fell short. Luxury can state whatever he feels is stronger right now but his entire history has shown the superiority of his vT over his vP. His ZvT sports stellar series wins over every big Terran in the past year except for Fantasy while his ZvP is looking at Much and Stork in WCG 2008 and the very mediocre Jangbi, along with a slew of crippling losses to mediocre players. | ||
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The Storyteller
Singapore2486 Posts
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Ideas
United States8037 Posts
On June 15 2009 11:29 The Storyteller wrote: I'm not even going to guess at the ace player for CJ. The coach often picks totally unexpected people who then actually go on to win (Darkelf, Kwanro etc.) itll be effort | ||
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KnightOfNi
United States1508 Posts
Violet > Kwanro (I don't care how good you think Kwanro's been playing, Violets played better imo) Flash > Iris 815 < Effort (although I'd be happy if I was wrong here... 815 HWAITING!!!) Luxury > Much If it goes to an ace then Flash > Much/Movie/Effort. EDIT: Unless he 14ccs. | ||
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JitNik
Russian Federation134 Posts
On June 15 2009 10:49 Avidkeystamper wrote: So you're going to disagree with Luxury himself what MU he is worst at? Okay, if that fancies you. just because he dislikes a matchup doesnt mean hes bad at it. and just because he likes a matchup doesnt mean he's good at it. His zvp has a higher %age and quite a bit more games played as well. i hope that "fancies you" | ||
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mog87
United States1586 Posts
On June 15 2009 12:55 JitNik wrote: just because he dislikes a matchup doesnt mean hes bad at it. and just because he likes a matchup doesnt mean he's good at it. His zvp has a higher %age and quite a bit more games played as well. i hope that "fancies you" Just watches his matches...he had a nice little streak during the MSL as was said before, but his ZvP isnt better despite the statistical difference. | ||
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JitNik
Russian Federation134 Posts
On June 15 2009 13:02 mog87 wrote: Just watches his matches...he had a nice little streak during the MSL as was said before, but his ZvP isnt better despite the statistical difference. On what we have to base, the statistics show quite a fundamental attribute towards his genre of play. The statistics show a better ZvP rather than his ZvT. Your reasoning of his ZvT better than his ZvP is to watch his games? People are occasionally inconsistent in how they play, hence a dominate reign, or a slump. Luxury, a prime example of this. Your opinion must be biased. | ||
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On June 15 2009 13:21 JitNik wrote: On what we have to base, the statistics show quite a fundamental attribute towards his genre of play. The statistics show a better ZvP rather than his ZvT. Your reasoning of his ZvT better than his ZvP is to watch his games? People are occasionally inconsistent in how they play, hence a dominate reign, or a slump. Luxury, a prime example of this. Your opinion must be biased. Look man you're wrong I'll explain why A lot of luxury's ZvP wins are Bo1's over not so great opponents. Anytime he gets into a Bo5 with a decent Protoss he has performed pretty badly in almost every situation besides his MSL win... against Jangbi. On the different scale Luxury has shown some amazing Bo5 wins against vT and he does it with consistency that makes a Luxury anti-fan cry. I don't like Luxury at all... but his ZvT is and has always been very solid. Luxury has ALWAYS had a ZvP weakness, especially when it comes to BoX series. Statistics don't mean much when you take all the other circumstances into account. You and this forum in general put far too much weight on simple statistics without really thinking about it :/ | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8551 Posts
What would anyone be biased against/for if they think Lux's ZvT is better than his ZvP? I think you haven't even watched any of his games. This isn't even arguable. Even when he won the MSL he beat Hwasin and Leta on terran-favored maps and beat Jangbi on zerg-favored maps. Not saying that anything about the levels of his ZvP and ZvT at that time, I'm just saying how statistics isn't right if you don't look at all the variables (and gameplay). | ||
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konadora
Singapore66063 Posts
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Harem
United States11390 Posts
On June 15 2009 14:50 konadora wrote: People who think they can read the TLPD and know it all =.=" For a second, I thought this was the Power Rank thread. | ||
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