On March 01 2008 03:03 Naib wrote:
Maybe a silly offtopic question, but isn't the other semis should be on Liquibet already? Cause I don't see Stork vs Lux anywhere.

that's still a whole week away. I'm sure they'll get it up in a few days

kramus

United States1259 Posts

February 29 2008 18:53 GMT

#705

On March 01 2008 03:30 fight_or_flight wrote:
so I didn't get to see it....was it close at all? Did bisu almost win those games he lost?

I'm no expert but it didn't seem very close. Every time I thought Bisu had grabbed an advantage Flash would quickly turn it around with overwhelming macro, pushing at the right times and with decent harass on the side. Flash seems to read his opponents well. He also used EMP to great effect to counter Bisu's mass arbs, which I think he did in games 2-4. Game 1, the only one Bisu won, was a failed cheese on Flash's part.

One Page Memory

Bulgaria2145 Posts

February 29 2008 19:02 GMT

#706

On March 01 2008 02:43 puLs.ReADy wrote:
this guy is in a top shape ?

This guy is in "Bus Driver" mode.
<3 Flash!

distant_voice

Germany2521 Posts

February 29 2008 19:05 GMT

#707

whether or not it was close is debatable. personally, in game 4, when Bisu got 6 or so carriers after making some pretty nice attacks I though it was gg.
game three was back and forth as well, several times it seemed like Bisu was mining from 3 bases when Flash was only mining from 1.

GinNtoniC

Sweden2945 Posts

February 29 2008 19:19 GMT

#708

Well, screw this. Was really rooting for Bisu in game 3, he had it all going, despite the horrible early game, yet totally screwed up.

kramus

United States1259 Posts

February 29 2008 19:43 GMT

#709

In the game on Katrina it actually seemed like Bisu had the economic advantage for the longest time, but couldn't find a way to transfer that to a real, practical advantage.

Last Romantic

United States20661 Posts

February 29 2008 19:53 GMT

#710

Flash is the new driver of the KTF tour bus :D

Frits

11782 Posts

February 29 2008 20:11 GMT

#711

Holy shit game 3 & 4 were some of the greatest games ever. Incredible.

Stegosaur

Netherlands1231 Posts

February 29 2008 20:24 GMT

#712

GG, Flash owns!
It's strange how KTF seems to be driven by Terran right now, and SKT1 is a Toss fortress

Darkblade2519

United States80 Posts

February 29 2008 21:49 GMT

#713

bisu nooo T_T

HaXxorIzed

Australia8434 Posts

February 29 2008 22:01 GMT

#714

On March 01 2008 03:30 fight_or_flight wrote:
so I didn't get to see it....was it close at all? Did bisu almost win those games he lost?

Bisu definitely had his chances to win with the failed HT drop in Game4, before he lost that first army in Game2 etc. There definitely were openings, but Flash was playing relentlessly enough to eventually wear Bisu down after he couldn't take advantage of those. Flash however was playing well coming off great form, and the training versus Stork showed.

If PvT training tiem with Stork means Flash will be running like this all the time, I really hope Bisu and Flash train together more a little sometime in the future. : p

Cogito

United States453 Posts

February 29 2008 22:05 GMT

#715

OMG Flash is the new cheater terran! Where the hell did he get all those goliaths?!?

I'm no fan of Bisu, but I kinda feel sorry for him, because all the great SC progamers have at least made it to the OSL finals and won it, before they started slumping. I wonder if he will ever make it?

anch

United States5457 Posts

February 29 2008 22:18 GMT

#716

I just checked, and my guess was right, Goons cannot pass thru gas geyser if either top or bottom is destroyed.

Game wouldnt turn so bad if Flash didnt rush inside, but just hold off and deal 900 damage on the assimilator.

ShaLLoW[baY]

Canada12499 Posts

February 29 2008 23:29 GMT

#717

Such an easy vote, jesus.

teamsolid

Canada3668 Posts

February 29 2008 23:44 GMT

#718

On March 01 2008 03:30 fight_or_flight wrote:
so I didn't get to see it....was it close at all? Did bisu almost win those games he lost?

The tides turned back and forth in all three games that mattered. At some point in each game, Bisu was ahead by a large margin, then he makes a critical error and let Flash turn it around with his incredible macro.

Here's my analysis of the games after watching the VODs (perhaps slightly biased, but hopefully accurate at least):

Game 1: Failed cheese by Flash, nuff said.

Game 2: The builds worked out in Bisu's favor by far and a decent reaver drop didn't hurt. He was up 140 supply to 105 when he had the sudden stroke of genius to suicide 2 shuttles and half of his army into Flash's impenetrable tank line, killing ONLY ONE TANK at a cost of about 40 supply worth of units. If he had chosen instead to expand again 2x at the bottom left of the map, to outmacro and switch to carriers or arbiters while maintain his economic advantage, the game would've been firmly in his hands. After that, the game was evened up and Flash gradually took the lead.

Game 3: Builds worked out for Flash this time, with Bisu falling behind early game with his failed proxy robo. It soon becomes an even 3-base vs 3-base game, when Flash moves the Terran ball out to end the game with 191 supply (Flash) vs 192 supply (Bisu). However, Flash was met with some sick storms and his poor positioning let Bisu come out ahead again with 140 to 105 supply and with 5 mining bases to Flash's 3. At one point it was SEVEN-base P to THREE-base T (eventually 4), with Bisu having the supply lead the whole time. Then, Bisu completely throws the game away by unknowingly recalling into spider mines, while Flash takes the perfect opportunity to push towards Bisu's expos at 12 and 3 and takes down both of them (meeting no resistance), while losing nothing. Within 2 minutes after the failed recall, Flash takes the supply lead, and begins to even up in base count. The rest of the game is filled with great plays from both players, with excellent EMP's from Flash and defensive recalls from Bisu, but it was a downhill battle for Bisu to survive, and Katrina's terrain made it even harder for his non-carrier army.

Basically, if Bisu had just played it safe and secured his expansions and made a switch to carriers like he did in Game 4, this game was in his hands no matter what Flash tries to do. Then again, hindsight is 20/20 as Bisu couldn't have known that there were mines in that spot (even though he did try doing the shuttle ferrying earlier, so he should've suspected it). I also have to give credit to Flash for his ballsy attack after being down in supply from the first major battle. Both players put up an incredible show in game 3, all-in-all one of the best PvT's I've seen in a long time.

Game 4: Played out as a pretty standard game for the first part (aside from the storm-less HT drop), with each player taking his half of the map. Some nice recalls by Bisu, but for some reason he didn't keep up his macro, eventually banking up to 8000 minerals/0 gas at one point without maxing out (maybe he thought zealots would be a waste, I'm not sure). The carrier switch almost worked out, but Flash used the window of timing to take down Bisu's 12, while taking 6 himself. Eventually, Flash just kept denying Bisu's 12, and his 3/3 goliaths > 2/2 carriers taking out all the interceptors and starving Bisu's economy. I think Flash has perfected his anti-carrier build, so major props to him for that. All credit goes to Flash for winning game 4.

To sum it up, I think Flash played solidly with insane macro, but Bisu should've taken either game 2 or game 3 at the very least. I can't say I didn't expect these results, but I wish Bisu didn't make those critical mistakes and took the series to game 5. He has showed that he's regained some of his form, but I'm still sad that he's not going to have a shot at the OSL title.

Ancestral

United States3230 Posts

March 01 2008 00:15 GMT

#719

So this means Bisu has to face the loser of Stork vs Luxury for a spot in the next OSL right? I don't see his beating either of them.

EvoChamber

France2505 Posts

March 01 2008 00:16 GMT

#720

Bisu's allergic to psi storm. Versus Mind, Jaedong, and now Flash he simply refuses to use the best spell in the game at anything resembling a consistent rate, even though he often secures four or five gas geysers. Without storm, Protoss units simply aren't cost effective after the mid-game, especially with the early mech upgrades that Flash and Mind both seem to favor versus P. No matter how much damage Bisu did in those games, he never got his money's worth. Even in the battles he won, his surviving forces were never enough to create an enduring tactical advantage which he could press home to Flash, who relentlessly concentrated the right amount of units at the right time in the right place. Like Mind, Bisu's natural strengths lies in multitasking and harassment, but against "solid" players, like Stork, Flash, or Jaedong, who can macro better while defending well against harass, his position gradually erodes unless he can gain a large, decisive victory with better spells and/or micro. Flash's Goliaths, turrets, mines, vessels, and non-stop comsat scans countered his Arbiters' cloak and recall, and Flash's macro with cost-effective Terran metal units ensured that any advantage Bisu gained from Stasis field would be temporary and minimal. Imagine, in the place of every arbiter Bisu built, two high templar, and imagine, in the place of every stargate, a gateway and a high templar. Then imagine every unit of Flash's maxed army frying and exploding. It's honorable, in a way, refusing to use Carriers on Katrina or Templar on Blue Storm, but what it amounted to for Bisu in this epic series was essentially a refusal to win.