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OctoPuSs
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![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/Hot_Bid/Bacchus_OSL.jpg) Sorry for lame topic, but I wasn't planning on having to make one.  Flash vs  BisuMaps: 1st Set - Troy 2nd Set - Fantasy II 3rd Set - Katrina 4th Set - Blue Storm 5th Set - Troy Results + Show Spoiler + Bisu > Flash @ Troy Bisu < Flash @ Fantasy II Bisu < Flash @ Katrina *** Bisu < Flash @ Blue Storm | ||
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Elsi
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 thanks!!! let's use this one for reports and shit | ||
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noojOh
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GO FLASH | ||
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fight_or_flight
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arbiter_md
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No, he can't. Only Flash can do it, either way. | ||
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Dromar
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Flash definitely has a good shot here though. | ||
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NarutO
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FlaSh > Bisu @ Fantasy ll FlaSh < Bisu @ Katrina FlaSh > Bisu @ Blue Storm thats what I predict  | ||
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noojOh
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On February 29 2008 18:39 Elsi wrote: Money's on Flash. I don't believe Bisu's PvT is capable of winning 3 times vs Flash. ya and plus after hearing that flash is like 50/50 when he practices with stork makes me believe even more in flash | ||
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bahhh
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1st set @ Troy Flash (purple terran) @ 5 Bisu (teal toss) @ 7 | ||
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trollbone
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THATS WHAT STARCRAFT IS ALL ABOUT !!! GO BISU !!!!! | ||
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bahhh
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bisu two gate tech | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
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On February 29 2008 18:42 Bop4yH wrote: Go Flash, it's your last chance to win a league! Stork deserves it more but he has no chance against Lux Not exactly his last chance, hes 16  | ||
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NarutO
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On February 29 2008 18:45 Elsi wrote: if Flash is cheesing, hasn't he got any confidence at all in his TVP? He wants to seal Bisu in his base. Like go.go did to uhm... that p~ | ||
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Elsi
United Kingdom8173 Posts
Wish I was in work today, no buffer at all when in work ^^ | ||
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Naib
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2 bunkers go up but the marines / SCV gets slaughtered by SUPERIOR micro and a few probes, by 3 goon + zealot. They die, but so does like 10 rines and a few SCV, Bisu tries to push back but his few units are wounded. He clears the threat, and Flash is severely behind. Refinery just started for him. | ||
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GeLaar
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what's the significance of destroying the neutral assimilators on this map? edit: nevermind, i've just figured it out. | ||
FieryBalrog
United States1381 Posts
On February 29 2008 18:47 Naib wrote: (I don't think he has no confidence, this map is just too cheese friendly) 2 bunkers go up but the marines / SCV gets slaughtered by SUPERIOR micro and a few probes, by 3 goon + zealot. They die, but so does like 10 rines and a few SCV, Bisu tries to push back but his few units are wounded. He clears the threat, and Flash is severely behind. Refinery just started for him. Thats right, fuck you Flash | ||
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fight_or_flight
United States3988 Posts
On February 29 2008 18:49 kalvskjutarn wrote: Where/How do I watch the game? Been searching forever. apparently this thread, but I don't find it very helpful http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=59029 | ||
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bahhh
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On February 29 2008 18:49 kalvskjutarn wrote: Where/How do I watch the game? Been searching forever. http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=59029 | ||
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FieryBalrog
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On February 29 2008 18:50 GeLaar wrote: i'm gonna ask a newby question now, so get ready to flame me: what's the significance of destroying the neutral assimilators on this map? It prevents any units from passing through except ghosts apparently (and maybe some other really small units, workers def cant get through as cannot anything bigger) | ||
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Naib
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On February 29 2008 18:50 0xDEADBEEF wrote: I have better micro than Flash had that game. Welcome to TL.net again, ahk-gosu | ||
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Naib
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This is as good as over already | ||
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uriel-
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wraiths meet cannon and 200 dragoons | ||
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DJEtterStyle
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[01:49] Jathin: THIS IS SO FUNNY [01:49] DJEtterStyle: YOU COULD HAVE PLAYED THIS SHIT STRAIGHT. [01:49] Jathin: GET OUT OF MY HOUSE [01:49] DJEtterStyle: BUT YOU'RE A FAG. [01:49] DJEtterStyle: YOU TRY TO CHEESE BISU TWICE? [01:49] DJEtterStyle: FUCK YOU. [01:49] DJEtterStyle: KID'S THE CHAMP. [01:49] DJEtterStyle: YOU'RE JUST A FAG WHO CAN'T WIN A STARLEAGE. [01:49] Jathin: 2008 OSL [01:49] Jathin: bisu [01:49] Jathin: vs. stork [01:49] Jathin: stork wins [01:49] DJEtterStyle: WOW MICRO [01:49] DJEtterStyle: hahahahaa [01:49] DJEtterStyle: WOW [01:49] DJEtterStyle: NOT A GOON LOST [01:49] DJEtterStyle: #1 [01:49] DJEtterStyle: BISU [01:49] DJEtterStyle: STRONGOOOO [01:49] Jathin: ahahahha [01:50] DJEtterStyle: FACTORY ONLY STARTED NOW? [01:50] DJEtterStyle: AHHahahahahah LOLOL GL [01:50] Jathin: reaver [01:50] Jathin: gg [01:50] DJEtterStyle: lololololoololol [01:50] Jathin: end it [01:50] Jathin: nigg end it [01:50] Jathin: get reaver [01:50] DJEtterStyle: WTF is Flash doing? [01:50] DJEtterStyle: He's cutting off his natural, ahahaha. [01:50] Jathin: if Bisu doesn't get reaver [01:50] DJEtterStyle: hahahahahahahhaha [01:50] Jathin: I will be SO disappointed [01:51] DJEtterStyle: HE NEEDS TANKS TO DEFEND IT. [01:51] DJEtterStyle: AND HE'S CUTTING IT OFF. [01:51] DJEtterStyle: hahahahahahahah [01:51] Jathin: wow [01:51] DJEtterStyle: Flash. [01:51] Jathin: still no goons lost [01:51] DJEtterStyle: You. Are. A. Retard. [01:51] Jathin: no big deal [01:51] Jathin: WTF no reaver [01:51] DJEtterStyle: hahahaha [01:51] Jathin: you fucking newb bucket [01:51] DJEtterStyle: Bisu can do whatever he wants. [01:51] DJEtterStyle: he's fucking won. [01:51] Jathin: he obviously cut his base off [01:51] DJEtterStyle: It's over. [01:51] DJEtterStyle: TWO STARPORT? [01:51] DJEtterStyle: lolOLOLOLOOL GL FLASH [01:51] Jathin: LOL [01:51] DJEtterStyle: hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaa [01:52] DJEtterStyle: FLASH YOU ARE A FUCKING MORON. [01:52] DJEtterStyle: YOU SUCK AT THIS GAME AND AT LIFE. [01:52] DJEtterStyle: GL IN THE WORLD [01:52] DJEtterStyle: THE WORLD DOES NOT REWARD IDIOTIC SHIT. [01:52] DJEtterStyle: YOU WILL FAIL AT LIFE [01:52] Jathin: I hate all the Flash fanboys [01:52] Jathin: kid is a joke (We're both drunk.) | ||
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uriel-
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bullshit game | ||
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OneOther
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Naib
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1-0 for Beesuit. I go now, to catch my train home, can't watch nor LR Someone take over | ||
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disciple
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noojOh
United States755 Posts
and therefore he just tried the BSB and then knew he lost but he didnt want to just gg | ||
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Elwood Blues
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merz
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3-1 flash ez. | ||
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0xDEADBEEF
Germany1235 Posts
I hope Bisu crushes him 3:0 just because of this performance. | ||
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anch
United States5457 Posts
when flash was containing at first, would it be better to destroy the bottom gas to lock goons in? (or both need to be destroyed?) I think he went in too hastily. Even is throwing a game it is bad for the record. =( WOW, Casy is going to be in I_LOVE_STAR. | ||
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noojOh
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On February 29 2008 18:58 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: Of course flash knew he lost. And of course troy is a bitch pvt. But Flash still played it really really bad. Like I said. The best choice by far wouldve been to cut his loses, stop his rush at his first bunker and expand while taking out the assims. This woudve given him a decesive economic advantage that would allow him to play safe against the obvious comming harass from bisu and put him in a good position to win. Instead he tries to press on and COMPLETELY blows the game. ya i agree and at first i thought that was what flash was going to do | ||
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merz
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On February 29 2008 18:58 anch wrote: nub question: when flash was containing at first, would it be better to destroy the bottom gas to lock goons in? (or both need to be destroyed?) I think he went in too hastily. Even is throwing a game it is bad for the record. =( WOW, Casy is going to be in I_LOVE_STAR. Destroying the neutral geysers when bisu was already mining gas while flash hadn't even started his would be bad imo. Bisu could've easily teched to robo while flash would've been forced to rush towards factory tech in order to prevent reaver etc.. so yeah Flash's only option was to break in but he didn't succeed very well in doing so | ||
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FieryBalrog
United States1381 Posts
AND it rewards cheese and Flash cheesed and Bisu didnt yet Flash still got rolled. So pipe down Flash | ||
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trollbone
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he had godly micro it was closer than u thought but Flash was thinking that Bisu would go 14 nexus, like Sea vs Best game | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
United States10657 Posts
On February 29 2008 18:59 meRz wrote: Destroying the neutral geysers when bisu was already mining gas while flash hadn't even started his would be bad imo. Bisu could've easily teched to robo while flash would've been forced to rush towards factory tech in order to prevent reaver etc.. so yeah Flash's only option was to break in but he didn't succeed very well in doing so There would easily be enough time for 1 tank and siege + 4 turrets. And with strategically positioned marines he couldve been completely safe. The only iffy part is whether or not he could take out an assim bisu got enough goons to prevent him from doing so (he can't fire at them while inside the bunker). | ||
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On February 29 2008 18:59 noojOh wrote: ya i agree and at first i thought that was what flash was going to do Yeah I agree also. flash just wanted to win the game e-z  got greedy | ||
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merz
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On February 29 2008 19:02 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: There would easily be enough time for 1 tank and siege + 4 turrets. And with strategically positioned marines he couldve been completely safe. Hmm.. well I mean he would've been forced to get gas, fac, shop, siege + tank, ebay. All this while bisu had to get robo + shuttle. Keeping in mind that flash also sent 4-5 scvs to fulfill the attack.. but yeah I'm not sure. | ||
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Dromar
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On February 29 2008 19:02 noojOh wrote: but somehow seeing flash just using some crappy strat on that map makes me think that he has something nice prepared for others Troy is used twice. I hope he's got something better than that if it goes to game 5. | ||
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On February 29 2008 19:05 Dromar wrote: Troy is used twice. I hope he's got something better than that if it goes to game 5. he better learn soemthing new or my LB is gone. | ||
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samachking
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Bisu at 5 | ||
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bahhh
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flash @ 1:00 bisu @ 4:00 | ||
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bahhh
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flash 1 fact cc | ||
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I am sure he will do it for next few games as well. | ||
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noojOh
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so low wow | ||
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bahhh
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FINE U DO IT!!! | ||
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shuttle scouted. | ||
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merz
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Meanwhile bisu opted for a really fast reaver, while he's taking the 6 o clock island expansion. Might get messy real quick here. | ||
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bahhh
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6 scv and two rines for reaver | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
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Flash will need to time a really fast timing push. | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
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On February 29 2008 19:11 TheTyranid wrote: Wow that scarab was painful. He took out like 6 scv, along with 2 marines. 4 scv. | ||
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TheTyranid
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Looks good for the suit right now. | ||
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merz
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Too bad flash doesnt have scans yet, Bisus economy will be awesome in a couple of minutes. | ||
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On February 29 2008 19:14 bahhh wrote: wtf is flash doing..... hes not pushing and hes getting behind in econ and hes got goliaths for? bisu has made shuttle, what else ca he do to counter? | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
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On February 29 2008 19:14 bahhh wrote: wtf is flash doing..... hes not pushing and hes getting behind in econ and hes got goliaths for? Hes playing a safe upgrade based late game build. He has to know that bisu took his island. Its pretty obvious given the early shuttle based played. OH THAT ATTACK WAS OWNED SO FUCKING BAD LOL. Flash will win now Watch. You can't make mistakes like that against a terran like flash. | ||
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merz
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massive screw up by bisu, trying to take out flashs second expansion but fails miserably. | ||
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TheTyranid
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nyway nice d from Flash. Crucial to keep up in econ and looks like the top expo willbe safe for now. He ahs really nice positioning wiwth the units on top of the ramp. | ||
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Flash wtf. | ||
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TheTyranid
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Man he lost all those probes. | ||
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bisu got over 1000 gas but <500 minerals. | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
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Small counter on flash's 4th base. | ||
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![[image loading]](http://img84.imageshack.us/my.php?image=400049882ry7.jpg) | ||
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On February 29 2008 19:27 meRz wrote: To the bathroom? ;o ya i had to pee just now too the players hav to i bet | ||
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wurm
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Also, someone should update the OP. | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
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Mark my words Assuming Bisu plays it standard. | ||
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Dromar
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@Foreverwar: I saw his recent game on Katrina vs ... uh someone pretty recent, where it looked like he was gonna lose, but he started pumping goliaths like crazy, and the quick +3 upgrade let him kill all the interceptors and take over the game. So Flash definitely has a chance to win on Katrina. But I gotta think Bisu's the favorite here. He can do more than just 2 base carriers. | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
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On February 29 2008 19:27 disciple wrote: bisu totally throw the game with his lame first attack He made the exact same mistakes against Mind. He needs to stop underestimating his opponents and realize they are simply going to have more than the terrans he usually practices with. | ||
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trollbone
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Bisu is so good with statis | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
United States10657 Posts
On February 29 2008 19:29 Umbrella wrote: Flash loses with cheese but wins straight up?? 0.o Apparently you haven't watched very many recent flash games... | ||
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trollbone
France1905 Posts
He destroyed everithing and was destroyed too it was just a trade No the second mini attak was lame | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
United States10657 Posts
On February 29 2008 19:30 rushz0rz wrote: Bisu will do his 14 nexus, dt drop, into arbs and rape Flash. YOu really think flash won't be prepared for this? | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
United States10657 Posts
On February 29 2008 19:31 trollbone wrote: the lame first attak ? He destroyed everithing and was destroyed too it was just a trade No the second mini attak was lame Apparently you missed the first attack from Bisu. It was a horrible attempt to break Flash's 2nd expo. If you're going to argue, at least watch the whole game | ||
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rushz0rz
Canada5300 Posts
On February 29 2008 19:32 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: YOu really think flash won't be prepared for this? Seeing as how every other P and their mom go carriers, maybe he wont be. | ||
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merz
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On February 29 2008 19:31 trollbone wrote: the lame first attak ? He destroyed everithing and was destroyed too it was just a trade No the second mini attak was lame I'm pretty sure he means when bisu threw everything at the 2nd expansion of flash and lost a whole bunch of shit while flash only lost 1-2 tanks. | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
United States10657 Posts
On February 29 2008 19:33 rushz0rz wrote: Seeing as how every other P and their mom go carriers, maybe he wont be. Bisu used that exact build very very recently in his last win on that map... | ||
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rushz0rz
Canada5300 Posts
On February 29 2008 19:33 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: Bisu used that exact build very very recently in his last win on that map... ok.... | ||
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ThePhan2m
Norway2750 Posts
Cheese in 1st game was failed, and a failed chese is hard to recover from. shit happens. That still doenst chage the fact that Flash is way better than Bisu right now. | ||
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trollbone
France1905 Posts
Yeah ok it was sooooo lammee !! i agree with u the second attak on the middle was pretty good although | ||
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Umbrella
Taiwan936 Posts
I voted for him after all lol I just thought it was weird cause of the last series | ||
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Forgottenfrog
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trollbone
France1905 Posts
its a pity that all the fanboys of Flash will say that he is superior if he wins on katrina but they will say its the map that is imbalanced if Bisu win | ||
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noojOh
United States755 Posts
flash had like a high of 506 | ||
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merz
Sweden2760 Posts
On February 29 2008 19:37 trollbone wrote: lot of fanboy here its a pity that all the fanboys of Flash will say that he is superior if he wins on katrina but they will say its the map that is imbalanced if Bisu win Well it's pretty much true isn't it? | ||
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trollbone
France1905 Posts
On February 29 2008 19:37 AnOth3rDAy wrote: Anyone know how long statis lasts? Would be cool if it lasts like an scv build time, so whenever units gets statis you make 1 scv fast and when its ready statis disappears... that way u could time it. 45 in starcraft time 1 min in real life time | ||
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On February 29 2008 19:37 trollbone wrote: lot of fanboy here its a pity that all the fanboys of Flash will say that he is superior if he wins on katrina but they will say its the map that is imbalanced if Bisu win only if no carrier abuse. | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
On February 29 2008 19:37 trollbone wrote: lot of fanboy here its a pity that all the fanboys of Flash will say that he is superior if he wins on katrina but they will say its the map that is imbalanced if Bisu win Thats the only upside with imba maps. | ||
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On February 29 2008 19:39 HaXxorIzed wrote: He could win on Katrina with Carriers in a clearcut victory in which he actually outplays Flash. Not impossible. no shit | ||
alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
COME ON FLASH BE CLUTCH BE AFUCKING CLUTCH AND WIN THIS OSL | ||
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
Protoss 25 : Terran 7 wow, haha. | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
On February 29 2008 19:40 meRz wrote: Savior and Jaedong are so badass in the intro. Yep, too bad rock and stork totally sux | ||
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Dromar
United States2145 Posts
On February 29 2008 19:40 meRz wrote: Savior and Jaedong are so badass in the intro. That's cuz Zergs are just badass. | ||
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RaiNKhANPoker
United States5 Posts
I'm betting $1,000.00 on flash for the whole series with my buddy. | ||
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
Obviously, they are gonna figure out how to dismantle the same carrier build eventually. | ||
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noojOh
United States755 Posts
On February 29 2008 19:42 RaiNKhANPoker wrote: Okay, figured it out. OMG THIS STREAM ROCKS! I'm betting $1,000.00 on flash for the whole series with my buddy. wow i hope u win thats a ton of money to bet on a sc game | ||
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Dromar
United States2145 Posts
On February 29 2008 19:42 RaiNKhANPoker wrote: Okay, figured it out. OMG THIS STREAM ROCKS! I'm betting $1,000.00 on flash for the whole series with my buddy. Hey you should PM me with what you did and how you did it. | ||
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alffla
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cross positions.. would that be bad for terran!? ;O_O | ||
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alffla
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lol neither of them taking nat first ~_~ | ||
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alffla
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both players scout wrong way, falash to 12 and bisu to 6 cybercore started | ||
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merz
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You are awesome. | ||
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Puosu
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![[image loading]](http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/7173/lyhbj2.jpg) fighting! | ||
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alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
probe lbocked from getting in scv ready to make cc at nat goon out killing scout scv | ||
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rushz0rz
Canada5300 Posts
On February 29 2008 19:45 OneOther wrote: HAH omg flash u have the SENSES the probe just left, many terrans would suspect that. | ||
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opener
Ukraine16 Posts
tell me plz, how i can wathing online this game? thx! | ||
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alffla
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harassing supply depots2 tanks out for flash so he is le safe | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
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On February 29 2008 19:46 opener wrote: hi all tell me plz, how i can wathing online this game? thx! Look in the thread "resources for a better starcraft life" under broodwar forum secition (its stickied at the top after you click on that forum). Its under "Live Streams". | ||
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Day[9]
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AGAIN | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
United States10657 Posts
On February 29 2008 19:50 meRz wrote: Bisu is going to pay for taking that expansion. Flash will siege up behind it as he moves out. Not likely. Flash is preparing double armory and planning to take his third. | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
United States10657 Posts
On February 29 2008 19:51 ThePhan2m wrote: haha, first loosing 2 dragons for nothing, then the reaver, then 2 observatry, tells us everything about bisus horrible play. He deserves nothing more after his cocky behaviour What cocky behavior, what the fuck are you talking about? | ||
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merz
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On February 29 2008 19:51 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: Not likely. Flash is preparing double armory and planning to take his third. Ah my bad. I was pretty sure Flash was opting for a faster push. | ||
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On February 29 2008 19:48 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: Look in the thread "resources for a better starcraft life" under broodwar forum secition (its stickied at the top after you click on that forum). Its under "Live Streams". not understood... :D do u have link on onliine stream? sorry... | ||
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TheTyranid
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Flash remembers last game and gets the science vessel. | ||
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United States10657 Posts
On February 29 2008 19:53 opener wrote: not understood... :D do u have link on onliine stream? sorry... try www.yaoyuan.com/live.php is this doesnt work, please don't post anymore about it here Its against forum rules. | ||
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amok
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"WTF!!! two obsservatoriessssss!!!" lolz | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
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On February 29 2008 19:52 alffla wrote: iit seems like bisu isn't going carriers?? or what 2 stargate arbs, which flash is very very prepared for. | ||
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alffla
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gg recall!! :O man they both adding tons of gates and factories this is gonna be a huge mcarofest science vessel also out for flash | ||
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TheTyranid
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Bisu preparing for recall but Flash has SO MUCH FING UNITS. | ||
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On February 29 2008 19:52 alffla wrote: iit seems like bisu isn't going carriers?? or what why bisu why ... | ||
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TheTyranid
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Flash with 3 sv, he will have pleny more where that came from. | ||
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wth is he not using the other 2 emp? | ||
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On February 29 2008 19:58 GeLaar wrote: is it me or is this... looking good for bisu? it's you | ||
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alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
AND RPOBes in the army mix as well wtf | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
United States10657 Posts
On February 29 2008 19:58 meRz wrote: what the fuck happened in that attack. I went here to post and suddenly flash lost his entire army. Flash had horrible unit positioning | ||
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Syxygy
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recall gets mostly raped \o/ | ||
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TheTyranid
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RECALL AT MAIN AND TROOPS MELT OVER A MINE FIELD. BOXERRRR VS ANYTIME. | ||
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United States5457 Posts
recall. ![[image loading]](http://img84.imageshack.us/my.php?image=400042008ww4.jpg) | ||
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bisu is doing what pusan did to flash haha | ||
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On February 29 2008 20:04 meRz wrote: lol. Flash is everywhere, bisu is everywhere. This is nuts! indeed!! | ||
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yubee
United States3826 Posts
On February 29 2008 20:06 Elwood Blues wrote: you're trippin balls dude!!!moving stasis'd units? am I tripping balls or what? | ||
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TheTyranid
Russian Federation4333 Posts
FLASH ATTACKING 5 AGAIN AND THIS TIME HE WILL TAKE IT OUT IT SEEMS. If Bisu looses 5 it will be GG for him probably. | ||
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TheTyranid
Russian Federation4333 Posts
Flash's vults always on the prowl, scouted Bisu's min only, no probes there tho. | ||
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datscilly
United States528 Posts
this is one of those cases where being able to see the supply rocks rather than sucks because the game is so close this is the game we've been waiting for | ||
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noobienoob
United States1173 Posts
edit: lol at that mine | ||
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TheTyranid
Russian Federation4333 Posts
Flash has one as well. Oh nvm, Bisu has his minonly mining as well si he has more income atm. Flash does a nice job Emping 2 arbs as they just stood at one spot. | ||
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alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
actually one of the best tvps ive seen on any map in a loooonnnngg time | ||
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noobienoob
United States1173 Posts
it's like bisu's multitasking just ran out of steam | ||
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FieryBalrog
United States1381 Posts
On February 29 2008 20:10 alffla wrote: man this is the best tvp on katrina ever actually one of the best tvps ive seen on any map in a loooonnnngg time The only thing that sucks is that Bisu started off playing horrible and Katrina basically kept him in the game still sick game | ||
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nice try though | ||
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TheTyranid
Russian Federation4333 Posts
But the 12 gets sieged, it will die! Flash is EVERYWHERE. | ||
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noobienoob
United States1173 Posts
sweeeeeeeeeeeet emp usage | ||
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FieryBalrog
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next map will pwn Bisu in the face unfortunately. | ||
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bisu is sweating? | ||
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alffla
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flash is going to take this FUFKCING YES | ||
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noojOh
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lol i wonder if it would be 3 0 right now if flash didnt do that cheese on troy | ||
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![[image loading]](http://i25.tinypic.com/8wb0c7.jpg) What bisu get for not looking. | ||
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alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
OMG HOLY SHIT fucking flash is amazing | ||
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Piste
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Bisu was too spread up in katrina game, he couldn't handle it;/ | ||
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Elwood Blues
United States261 Posts
sure as shit hope my stream lagged or something cause I've actually been clean for 2 weeks now ^_X ; what a game, goddayum, I think I need a cigarette after that one, between the early storms that rolled flash, the stasis' (stases?) and clutch emp's whew | ||
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3nickma
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) out of the booth after the last two matches?? And is that even allowed!? | ||
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noobienoob
United States1173 Posts
On February 29 2008 20:15 alffla wrote: seriously lolit must be that bottled tea shit or wahtever flash is drinking thats making him perform so well | ||
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alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
On February 29 2008 20:15 SuperJongMan wrote: Managing 5 bases has never looked so natural for a terran before... -_-;; yeah wtf it felt like flash's army was more mobile and in more different places than bisus lol fucking incredible | ||
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anch
United States5457 Posts
On February 29 2008 20:16 3nickma wrote: Why is Flashing rushing (cheesing? ) out of the booth after the last two matches?? And is that even allowed!?why not? what if he has a small bladder or what if a 1 hour game coming up next? | ||
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On February 29 2008 20:15 Elwood Blues wrote: sure as shit hope my stream lagged or something cause I've actually been clean for 2 weeks now ^_X ; what a game, goddayum, I think I need a cigarette after that one, between the early storms that rolled flash, the stasis' (stases?) and clutch emp's whew The statised units moved when the scv clumped into them somehow . | ||
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cujo2k
Canada1044 Posts
On February 29 2008 20:15 alffla wrote: it must be that bottled tea shit or wahtever flash is drinking thats making him perform so well i gotta get me some of that! =p | ||
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alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
On February 29 2008 20:16 3nickma wrote: Why is Flashing rushing (cheesing? ) out of the booth after the last two matches?? And is that even allowed!?haha well they do get a break in between matches. bisu probably just wants to watch the replay and do some shit on the comp :\ | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
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On February 29 2008 19:29 VioleTAK wrote: lol Flash too good at Katrina? Bisu going to destroy him. Juat watch :-) You were saying? | ||
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noojOh
United States755 Posts
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On February 29 2008 20:18 mamamia wrote: Terran has an edge in Katrina against protoss with NO carriers, yes? Yes, the map is made for tank sieging | ||
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United States5457 Posts
![[image loading]](http://img84.imageshack.us/my.php?image=400042241gz5.jpg) Apm sheet. | ||
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noojOh
United States755 Posts
On February 29 2008 20:18 mamamia wrote: Terran has an edge in Katrina against protoss with NO carriers, yes? no there were so many times that bisu could hav won with his arbiter usage but flash outplayed him with pre planned mines, mobility, and much more | ||
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noobienoob
United States1173 Posts
On February 29 2008 20:18 mamamia wrote: No, Flash just owns. Those EMP's saved his ass many many times, very sexy.Terran has an edge in Katrina against protoss with NO carriers, yes? | ||
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HaXxorIzed
Australia8434 Posts
Hopefully Bisu will take his own advantage in the fourth and then play as he did for the stages following his initial build in the third :p | ||
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trollbone
France1905 Posts
i know the map is blue storm u dont have a good record on it but plz for god sake win on it !! | ||
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Dromar
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On February 29 2008 20:16 Shauni wrote: The statised units moved when the scv clumped into them somehow .Yeah, stasis'd units will shuffle around a bit if they're too close together. | ||
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On February 29 2008 20:14 Piste wrote: I hope it will be 2-2 after next game. Bisu was too spread up in katrina game, he couldn't handle it;/ Do you understand the kind of skill it takes to make a protoss with THREE FUCKING GATE ARBS too spread out on Katrina? | ||
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Elwood Blues
United States261 Posts
I really wanna see flash take this thing now, not only did he bring the momentum back around from that abortion of a game 1 (or so I thought at least), he cranked the volume on the management to 11 there, hot hot dayum | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
On February 29 2008 20:18 mamamia wrote: Terran has an edge in Katrina against protoss with NO carriers, yes? No thats wrong, katrina is imba. Nomatter what the protoss does. Its a fact. | ||
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Australia6103 Posts
wasnt cause flash was so good | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
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Give credit to flash though for an excellently prepared defense. | ||
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amorpheus
Bulgaria2144 Posts
On February 29 2008 20:16 bahhh wrote:but bisu couple of months back would have won the game I have exactly the same unpleasant feeling. Not that he's playing bad but the "magic" is gone ... | ||
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ShAsTa
Belgium2841 Posts
On February 29 2008 20:19 noojOh wrote: no there were so many times that bisu could hav won with his arbiter usage but flash outplayed him with pre planned mines, mobility, and much more He's talking about the map not the play. And yes, I think, the same thing that makes katrina a carrier map is what makes it a terran map. | ||
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United States10774 Posts
On February 29 2008 20:20 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: The failed recall definitely let Flash get back into the game. oh yeah, definitely. that was the turning point. flash easily defended that recall while killing two expos and losing NONE (besides all the scvs, but didnt really matter by then) | ||
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I'll say that for every game, thats my way of cheering :-) Can't help but notice that a good 90% of your posts are quoting other people, judging them, probably making yourself feel superior or something. You're addicted. | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
On February 29 2008 20:19 HaXxorIzed wrote: Any edge Katrina has over Protoss without carriers is irrelevant to the beginning Bisu had. That's an advantage and Flash was relentless. Hopefully Bisu will take his own advantage in the fourth and then play as he did for the stages following his initial build in the third :p what are you talking about, thats not why he lost.. ok he made a robo that was destroyd like 15 minutes into the game, he didnt lose reaver or shuttle. Why he lost was because flash is a monster + bisu wasted alot of units in a useless recall JUST after he killed flash's initial army. | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
United States10657 Posts
On February 29 2008 20:20 amorpheus wrote: I have exactly the same unpleasant feeling. Not that he's playing bad but the "magic" is gone ... The magic is gone because hes playing someone better than him Bisu has never been amazing vs terran. Really good , but not amazing. | ||
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3nickma
Denmark1510 Posts
On February 29 2008 20:16 anch wrote: why not? what if he has a small bladder or what if a 1 hour game coming up next? Yeah that's fine and was what it seemed like the first time around but looked like the last time he just went out for a chat with his team? Guess I just thought that would not be allowed if he were to discuss the game, stategies and tactics for the next one etc. considering they have rather strict rules about certain things, like taking off the headphones before one types GG. And I've never seen a player run out like that before but of course they should be allowed to use the restroom if needed be. I was just wondering a bit... | ||
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noojOh
United States755 Posts
On February 29 2008 20:21 trollbone wrote: i think Bisu will cheese on blue storm yes maybe but flash's defense against 2gate rushes or just zealot rushes in general is pretty insane | ||
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United States5457 Posts
On February 29 2008 20:21 trollbone wrote: i think Bisu will cheese on blue storm same. Maybe super desperation move like anytime. | ||
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Jayson X
Switzerland2431 Posts
Give us 5 games guys, you both deserve it! | ||
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On February 29 2008 20:22 3nickma wrote: Yeah that's fine and was what it seemed like the first time around but looked like the last time he just went out for a chat with his team? Guess I just thought that would not be allowed if he were to discuss the game, stategies and tactics for the next one etc. considering they have rather strict rules about certain things, like taking off the headphones before one types GG. And I've never seen a player run out like that before but of course they should be allowed to use the restroom if needed be. I was just wondering a bit... I would call my mother right after the Katrina game. "Mom were you watching?" | ||
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On February 29 2008 20:21 GeLaar wrote: ok ok, flash played amazing, and that emp usage was insane. but let's not act like bisu didn't help him with plenty of mistakes throughout the game. pull yourself together man! Mistakes yes, but not any really bad ones. No unforced errors. Although Bisu could have taken better care of his arbs, Flash couldve taken better care of his Vessels. I assure you they were both VERYVERY busy;) Mistakes are going to happen when you're everywhere on the map and macroing like gods. Have some respect for skill. Both players played amazing. | ||
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On February 29 2008 20:22 AnOth3rDAy wrote: what are you talking about, thats not why he lost.. ok he made a robo that was destroyd like 15 minutes into the game, he didnt lose reaver or shuttle. Why he lost was because flash is a monster + bisu wasted alot of units in a useless recall JUST after he killed flash's initial army. Not what I said. I'm saying that PvT on Katrina without carriers doesn't give as much of an advantage to the P as Bisu's poor opening did to his chances as the P playing. 'Flash was relentless' referred to his actual quality of play. | ||
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On February 29 2008 20:18 mamamia wrote: Terran has an edge in Katrina against protoss with NO carriers, yes? I think carrier do not allow for such epic games as when the protoss goes arbiters. Either protoss gets a lot of carriers and has a local firepower advantage wherever they are, or terran breaks the protoss before the large investment into carriers has paid off. Bisu knows how good Flash is against the carriers, and so transitions smoothly into arbiters instead. | ||
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On February 29 2008 20:20 Highways wrote: this map is hard for protoss without carriers wasnt cause flash was so good lol, nop. The reason why this is a protoss map is the how you can flank from every direction and go around everywhere and attack terrans expansions while taking expansions at very far ends of the map. The carrier imba is just a big fucking + | ||
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On February 29 2008 19:52 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: What cocky behavior, what the fuck are you talking about? I lost all respect for bisu whatsover when i heard he was mocking Savior and other players. He got so high after winning MSL those times, not that he isnt good but i dont respect players with bad manner. so imo Bisu deserves nothing more than losing and getting into his slump. I really hope Flash runs over bisu this time, with a really humilatying and totall ownage play. PLEASE let it happen, PLEASE! gg on kartrina btw. bisu showed entertaining match with those recalls, even tho he failed. | ||
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On February 29 2008 20:24 HaXxorIzed wrote: Not what I said. I'm saying that PvT on Katrina without carriers doesn't give as much of an advantage to the P as Bisu's poor opening did to his chances as the P playing. 'Flash was relentless' referred to his actual quality of play. nah u said something about bisus bad beginning which was false dude | ||
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On February 29 2008 20:23 anch wrote: I would call my mother right after the Katrina game. "Mom were you watching?" It wouldn't matter as she just had a heart attack after that game | ||
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On February 29 2008 20:25 noojOh wrote: random question does anyone know how tall flash is? he looks so old for a 15 year old KTF website is your answer. Training in two league will make you old. | ||
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On February 29 2008 20:25 datscilly wrote: lol now the bisu fanboys are saying that bisu lost because he didn't go carriers n they had said that the flash fanboys would complain if bisu had beat flash with carriers and that we would hav blamed it on map imba | ||
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On February 29 2008 20:25 datscilly wrote: lol now the bisu fanboys are implying that bisu lost because he didn't go carriers They could just point to the failed recall letting flash apply a ton of pressure while playing brilliantly. : / | ||
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On February 29 2008 20:22 VioleTAK wrote: I'll say that for every game, thats my way of cheering :-) Can't help but notice that a good 90% of your posts are quoting other people, judging them, probably making yourself feel superior or something. You're addicted. Actually just disagreeing with what they say. Why would I feel superior about starcraft pro gaming ? lol. And your % is way high;) Besides you just did the exact same thing you're critisizing me for. Sure I disagree with a lot of people, and call them out on it. I enjoy discussing bw and have strong opinions on the subject. But it's not like I think I'm so fucking cool because of it. I'm just a huge bw nerd. Don't get so butt hurt just because I call you out on a wrong prediction ok? I wouldn't do it if the same thing happened to me. | ||
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On February 29 2008 20:24 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: Mistakes yes, but not any really bad ones. No unforced errors. going ahead with a reaver drop that did no damage, recalling in to a mine field are _really bad mistakes_, and not forced by flash. | ||
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On February 29 2008 20:22 noojOh wrote: yes maybe but flash's defense against 2gate rushes or just zealot rushes in general is pretty insane So true. Flash against ... Anytime I think, at the GSI. He makes this awesome elaborate wall with his cc, refinery, rax, depot, and building factory. It was very impressive. | ||
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On February 29 2008 20:24 AnOth3rDAy wrote: lol, nop. The reason why this is a protoss map is the how you can flank from every direction and go around everywhere and attack terrans expansions while taking expansions at very far ends of the map. The carrier imba is just a big fucking + No, disagree. I think a terran who opens 3 base has enough units to compensate those "flanks" and considering how narrow middle naturals are, it's not too bad for terran until carriers all over the place. | ||
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On February 29 2008 20:27 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: bisu lost because he totally screwed up the start. And Flash was too good to let him recover from that despite the imba map Actually Bisu had a great start, completely crushing Flash's near limit army with great storms. | ||
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On February 29 2008 20:27 GeLaar wrote: going ahead with a reaver drop that did no damage, recalling in to a mine field are _really bad mistakes_, and not forced by flash. not to mention he let flash kill his second reaver, and made double recall straight onto spider mines. | ||
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On February 29 2008 20:26 ThePhan2m wrote: I lost all respect for bisu whatsover when i heard he was mocking Savior and other players. He got so high after winning MSL those times, not that he isnt good but i dont respect players with bad manner. so imo Bisu deserves nothing more than losing and getting into his slump. I really hope Flash runs over bisu this time, with a really humilatying and totall ownage play. PLEASE let it happen, PLEASE! gg on kartrina btw. bisu showed entertaining match with those recalls, even tho he failed. I'm sorry but you're wrong... Bisu is one of the most humble and kind progamers - it's already been said that Bisu and Savior has a very good relationship and that Bisu only teased him in that I Love Star (Or was it bnet attack?). So wtf - bad manner? I don't know what you're talking about. | ||
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On February 29 2008 20:28 SuperJongMan wrote: No, disagree. I think a terran who opens 3 base has enough units to compensate those "flanks" and considering how narrow middle naturals are, it's not too bad for terran until carriers all over the place. that requires so much skill almost no terran posess. most protoss posess enough skill to win using the map advantages even without carriers, thats why its imbalanced. | ||
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On February 29 2008 20:29 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: Actually Bisu had a great start, completely crushing Flash's near limit army with great storms. yeah near limit army does always appear in the start of the game. | ||
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On February 29 2008 20:29 Piste wrote: not to mention he let flash kill his second reaver, and made double recall straight onto spider mines. Recalling into a mine field is not something you can control. How is he supposed to know? He cant get an ob in there. Therefore flash DID force it by laying mines in a good spot. | ||
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On February 29 2008 20:30 noojOh wrote: flash is 173 cm almost 6 feet (173 cm = 5.675853 ft) not almost, 15 with 6 feet would probably dominate in basketball. | ||
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On February 29 2008 20:31 anch wrote: (173 cm = 5.675853 ft) not almost, 15 with 6 feet would probably dominate in basketball. my bad but ya still kinda mature looking and plays very well so that i forget hes 15 a lot | ||
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On February 29 2008 20:31 anch wrote: (173 cm = 5.675853 ft) not almost, 15 with 6 feet would probably dominate in basketball. wut? nvm | ||
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On February 29 2008 20:30 noojOh wrote: flash is 173 cm almost 6 feet That is 5 feet 8. Not quite 6. | ||
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On February 29 2008 20:31 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: Recalling into a mine field is not something you can control. How is he supposed to know? He cant get an ob in there. Therefore flash DID force it by laying mines in a good spot. GAMESENSE :p | ||
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On February 29 2008 20:34 noojOh wrote: is bisu going arbiters AGAIN?!!?!? looks like it :/ | ||
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On February 29 2008 20:30 AnOth3rDAy wrote: that requires so much skill almost no terran posess. most protoss posess enough skill to win using the map advantages even without carriers, thats why its imbalanced. Nono. Protoss grabs end bases for.. Carriers. If no carriers are present, you still haven't convinced me Katrina's terrain is imba land vs land in Protoss favor. | ||
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HE FUCKING FORGOT TO UPGRADE STORM! | ||
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Now Bisu is at mid with a huge army. That army is at least 50 units wow. | ||
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Golitaths take down the shuttle and end the reavers existance. Bisu just now starting his 5th base. Flash has 4 up and a strong presence in the middle. Mass turrets along Flashs left side of the main. Bisu 3 stargate arbs again. | ||
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Both players running off four bases now, without any major battles so far. Look like a recap of game three where both player max out before any engagement. | ||
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On February 29 2008 20:38 GeLaar wrote: he forgot to upgrade storm. in game four, when he's down one game. on a map he's not very good on. HE FUCKING FORGOT TO UPGRADE STORM! lol, seriously Stork says, "welcome to the club" | ||
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nvm 4 more stargates for him | ||
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Flash actually maxes out first. | ||
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Flash MAXED, Bisu at 182. I smell an EPIC BATTLE. | ||
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On February 29 2008 20:41 noojOh wrote: flash should nuke bisu for all the humiliation bisu has given players in the past You seem to be one of them | ||
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On February 29 2008 20:42 TheTyranid wrote: Players splitting the map. Flash taking 6 I believe. Flash MAXED, Bisu at 182. I smell an EPIC BATTLE. I smell a 3/3 metal wall rolling over Bisu | ||
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Recalls nontheless. Zeals doing damag in Flash's main. Nothing severe tho. Dam Flash with 4 sv, emp galore. | ||
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that is just really really really amazing by bisu | ||
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HAX, BISU WITH 6 STARGATES, NOW CRANKING OUT CARRIERS.!!! | ||
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I don't see it as possible. | ||
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flash smells those carriers getting ready to attack mooooove out | ||
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On February 29 2008 20:44 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: Now bisu manages a huge recall at 6! Another huge recall at the top! Bisu looking so so strong this game. ANd hes preparing 6 stargate carriers lol. This game in general is just lol | ||
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On February 29 2008 20:44 smurfingchobo wrote: CARRIERS HAVE ARRIVED carriers have indeed arrived. about two games too late, but, hey, better late than never. | ||
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Too late for wraiths now. A shitton of carrier raping attack on 12. | ||
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edit: nvm some action finally goin on | ||
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Now mass producing carriers after multiple recalls. Before this, the game was like a freaking TvT. with the middle trenched up. | ||
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EMP on carriers, good, he needs all teh damage on them he can get. | ||
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I dont think either player will want to play another game like these past few Edit: IF there is a game 5 lol | ||
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and interceptors getting less and less. | ||
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Bisu's raid on 6 is swept but here come the carriers. Golis desperately trying to keep up. | ||
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NOW CARRIERS GET CAUGHT OUT OF POSITION, THREE DIE TO GOLIATH AND BISU GGS. | ||
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On February 29 2008 20:50 amorpheus wrote: poor flash is OWNED wtf? | ||
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7 stargates? cmon. | ||
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On February 29 2008 20:50 amorpheus wrote: poor flash is OWNED Wtf are you talkign about. Hes come back. Hes winning now. LOL IN FACT BISU JUST GGED. | ||
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On February 29 2008 18:57 meRz wrote: Flash gave that away asap, just wanted to get rid of troy. 3-1 flash ez. Ez. | ||
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On February 29 2008 20:52 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: Flash is like oov on crack with perfect micro lol. haha agreed | ||
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On February 29 2008 20:52 bahhh wrote: bisu at one point had 8000 minerals =( Ya cuz he was at limit with 4 bases. | ||
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... it's salty. T.T | ||
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On February 29 2008 20:52 bahhh wrote: bisu at one point had 8000 minerals =( Way to ninja edit out the "gold" and replace it with minerals But the reason he did is because he was maxed with 5 bases at one point. Of course hes going to have a shitload of money. | ||
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I'm sad tough for bisu. Now that he's in my favourit team and stuff. But flash deserves it. | ||
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On February 29 2008 20:54 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: lol gold ftwWay to ninja edit out the "gold" and replace it with minerals But the reason he did is because he was maxed with 5 bases at one point. Of course hes going to have a shitload of money. the ending was ironic tho gg's nite guys | ||
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On February 29 2008 20:55 HaXxorIzed wrote: Still don't know how Flash pulled that last game off. Damn. 3-3 vs 2-1 or something. | ||
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On February 29 2008 20:53 AnOth3rDAy wrote: haha his teeth are horrible With his new success I'm sure he can afford to invest in braces soon | ||
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On February 29 2008 20:55 bahhh wrote: actually his food count was around 140 wen he had those 8000 minerals, i guess he was saving them for intercepters. lol food. | ||
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On February 29 2008 20:56 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: With his new success I'm sure he can afford to invest in braces soon nono, he need to pull'em all out and insert new ones MADE OF FUCKING GOLD | ||
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GG's | ||
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On February 29 2008 20:55 bahhh wrote: actually his food count was around 140 wen he had those 8000 minerals, i guess he was saving them for intercepters. I'm pretty sure there was no fpv at that time-- How did you know that? | ||
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On February 29 2008 20:57 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: I'm pretty sure there was no fpv at that time-- How did you know that? wtf the bottom right bit with all the data? | ||
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On February 29 2008 20:57 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: I'm pretty sure there was no fpv at that time-- How did you know that? the bottom right shows the mineral and gas count and suppply of both players constantly. | ||
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On February 29 2008 20:56 smurfingchobo wrote: Man, had Bisu's HT drop early on had actually gone off, that would've undoubtedly been the turning point. He would've stormed soooo many SCV's. Oh well. Flash's play was impeccable. Seriously. GG's Yeah, that and he didn't bring out his super-secret double observatory tech. | ||
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On February 29 2008 20:57 bahhh wrote: the bottom right shows the mineral and gas count and suppply of both players constantly. Ah mine was covered up because I had TL.net taking up most of the screen lol. | ||
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On February 29 2008 20:57 Jathin wrote: Wow. I'm going to cry myself to sleep. I hate hate hate hate hate hate Flash His macro is incredible but the kid is an idiot. Superb builds, superb macro, dogshit on his feet though Ya hes an idiot..whatever helps you sleep | ||
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On February 29 2008 20:51 Elwood Blues wrote: wow, flash is definitely looking to become diddy kong terran O_O Spot on! | ||
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On February 29 2008 20:51 Elwood Blues wrote: wow, flash is definitely looking to become diddy kong terran O_O lol that should be his nickname from now on | ||
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HaXxorIzed
Australia8434 Posts
Bisu may not be back to the Bisu of old (then again, maybe he is, that's what checking the VOD's are for), but this series was a mighty fucking fine way to break an inconsistent period of games or 'slump', as some are calling it. Bisu managed a far better PvT show on Blue Storm to most of his games there and managed a whole series without relying solely on carriers, as he's been doing in a fair few PvT's of late. So there's a real positive for both the Bisu and the Flash fans, I feel. Bisu vs Luxury and Stork vs Flash, it seems. The better players advancing to the final. Although Bisu'll be kicking himself about that HT drop for a long time coming. | ||
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anch
United States5457 Posts
On February 29 2008 21:02 mamamia wrote: Whats the odds on liquibet? I voted for Bisu ffs i want to know before i sleep, but i am guessing Flash 60:40 | ||
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Canada76 Posts
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3nickma
Denmark1510 Posts
On February 29 2008 20:57 anch wrote: Made me smile | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
United States10657 Posts
On February 29 2008 21:04 anch wrote: i want to know before i sleep, but i am guessing Flash 60:40 Ya I'm really curious about this also | ||
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alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
On February 29 2008 21:04 mamamia wrote: Oh well, watching Bisu's PvZ on a BO5 is a good compensation though. Stork must win against Lux. what bisu pvz bo5? | ||
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Australia8434 Posts
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kramus
United States1259 Posts
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distant_voice
Germany2521 Posts
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alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
thanks gaiz~ | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
Stork vs bisu stork win 3-0. Best scenario: Flash vs Stork epic 3-2 final to either player. Bisu vs luxury, bisu bo5 pvz finally! (3-1 though) | ||
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ThePhan2m
Norway2750 Posts
On February 29 2008 21:03 HaXxorIzed wrote: Bisu vs Luxury and Stork vs Flash, it seems. The better players advancing to the final. Dont underestimate Luxury! I think he has a big chance winning over Stork! He has has alot more time practicing, and he is in really good shape! | ||
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mamamia
Canada76 Posts
On February 29 2008 21:10 AnOth3rDAy wrote: Best scenario: Flash vs Stork epic 3-2 final to either player. Bisu vs luxury, bisu bo5 pvz finally! (3-1 though) Hoping.. | ||
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datscilly
United States528 Posts
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
On February 29 2008 21:11 ThePhan2m wrote: Dont underestimate Luxury! I think he has a big chance winning over Stork! He has has alot more time practicing, and he is in really good shape! yeah but i cant see luxury putting up a great fight vs flash, but stork would. | ||
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Canada6172 Posts
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arbiter_md
Moldova1219 Posts
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anch
United States5457 Posts
the pool got 2 blue storm fss. EE HAN TIMING > stork. And I really dont want to see Flash vs Stork for another Bo5, thats tomorrow. | ||
pachi
Melbourne5338 Posts
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HaXxorIzed
Australia8434 Posts
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mamamia
Canada76 Posts
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Spenguin
Australia3316 Posts
On February 29 2008 21:15 pachi wrote: Ooooh Pretty. | ||
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trollbone
France1905 Posts
the 2nd, 3rd and fourth set looked exactly the same in terms of BO Bisu made a 1 gate robo build then he double expand to catch with the economy of Flash he then proceed to go 3 starports arbiters (in the 2nd game he would have gone 3 starports if Flash didint push this early) Flash had the exact same tactic of OOV ?? Dont u think ??? He made an expand fast and turtled a bit to protect him of the reaver harass, THEN he invested his gorilla cash (this sentence was in the PvT kings thread) to build an other CC, then with superior macro and upgrades he rolled over Bisu FLASH = OOV ???? | ||
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diehilde1
Germany522 Posts
On February 29 2008 21:18 mamamia wrote: I still cant see Lux winning against Stork in a BO5 series even though it has 2 blue storms in it. lux is on fire and storks pvz has always been lacking... he is nowhere near the monster pvz he is in pvp/pvt. I can't understand why people don't even give lux a chance. | ||
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Southlight
United States11767 Posts
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Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
Can't believe the majority voted for Flash. I thought I would have a bigger jump in Liquidbet since I voted for Flash. | ||
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Elsi
United Kingdom8173 Posts
Had to leave midway through game 3 Cheers all | ||
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3nickma
Denmark1510 Posts
On February 29 2008 22:05 Fishball wrote: Yea, just woke up and saw the results. Can't believe the majority voted for Flash. I thought I would have a bigger jump in Liquidbet since I voted for Flash. I got up from about 37 to 23 so I'm happy | ||
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Jayson X
Switzerland2431 Posts
On February 29 2008 21:03 HaXxorIzed wrote: Despite not winning, this was definitely a good series for Bisu. He made errors which cost him the games, there's no doubt about that, but he also went to the edge in three huge games against unquestionably the best TvP and best Terran right now, as well as one of the strongest players. Flash deserved to advance, although it won't stop me demanding that Bisu take the next osl. <-< Bisu may not be back to the Bisu of old (then again, maybe he is, that's what checking the VOD's are for), but this series was a mighty fucking fine way to break an inconsistent period of games or 'slump', as some are calling it. Bisu managed a far better PvT show on Blue Storm to most of his games there and managed a whole series without relying solely on carriers, as he's been doing in a fair few PvT's of late. So there's a real positive for both the Bisu and the Flash fans, I feel. Bisu vs Luxury and Stork vs Flash, it seems. The better players advancing to the final. Although Bisu'll be kicking himself about that HT drop for a long time coming. yeah i second that. All in all it finaly felt like a huge clash again. There would be a ton of terrans who could not stop 4 or 5 arbiters at one point. There were moments on katrina were i was disgusted (in a good way) of how mobile and fast reacting a protoss army can be. The use of recall to defend was in my eyes genius and you have to give flash credit for splitting up his army so many times. Both can handle guerilla tactics and that's just a blast to look at. Even tough bisu had some trouble to keep it togheter in the last game, he recalled flash 3 times and shortly after that pulled out some carriers. And against all odds flash did not loose his mind, he dealt with it the proper way. And i fucking missed kingdom in a suit? I didn't even look for him! Gna.. | ||
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
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Tien
Russian Federation4447 Posts
I hate Bisu. That's what he gets for beating Savior so many times. DIE BISU DIE!!!!!!!!!! | ||
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alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
On February 29 2008 21:28 trollbone wrote: i have a question the 2nd, 3rd and fourth set looked exactly the same in terms of BO Bisu made a 1 gate robo build then he double expand to catch with the economy of Flash he then proceed to go 3 starports arbiters (in the 2nd game he would have gone 3 starports if Flash didint push this early) Flash had the exact same tactic of OOV ?? Dont u think ??? He made an expand fast and turtled a bit to protect him of the reaver harass, THEN he invested his gorilla cash (this sentence was in the PvT kings thread) to build an other CC, then with superior macro and upgrades he rolled over Bisu FLASH = OOV ???? hows that oov -_- a wtf eveyr terran would do that, no? FE = standard defend vs reaver = obvious - _-a | ||
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EpiK
Korea (South)5757 Posts
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disciple
9070 Posts
On March 01 2008 00:19 EpiK wrote: no surprise here... Is it just me or did bisu's pvt get worse? -_- no, Bisu's game was full with ideas, so dynamic and innovative ! I dont care if he lose the series or not cause he can blame only himself for the fact that he is not in the final- flash played great but take a look of games 2,3,4.... bisu lost them all, because of his blunders - in game 2 it was major - he should went for the first expo , in game 3 and especially in game 4 it was just a series of small mistakes which turn the things for bisu up-side-down... Bisu is my favorite player of all time but its the first time I dont feel disappointed by his loss- just because he give me the revolutionary magic. I think he is in love or smth like that- he was not focused at all...anyway well played Flash! Beat Stork the way you took out Bisu and Jaedong | ||
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Agahnim
Netherlands132 Posts
On March 01 2008 00:34 disciple wrote: anyway well played Flash! Beat Stork the way you took out Bisu and Jaedong in other words: you want him to beat Stork through mistakes of his opponent? | ||
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iloveHieu
United States1919 Posts
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disciple
9070 Posts
On March 01 2008 00:41 Agahnim wrote: in other words: you want him to beat Stork through mistakes of his opponent? flash forgives nobody, you got the point | ||
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BaeZZi
Korea (North)116 Posts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CNViMfyTD4 | ||
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BaeZZi
Korea (North)116 Posts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVLjz0onKsE | ||
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BaeZZi
Korea (North)116 Posts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lu2bN63-CFU | ||
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anch
United States5457 Posts
I want to see the interview of this. -Who helped you practice in all your matches vs 3 different Protoss players? =Ugh, KangMin and ParkJungSuk, who else? rofl. | ||
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ray1234
Canada679 Posts
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BaeZZi
Korea (North)116 Posts
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puLs.ReADy
Bulgaria1301 Posts
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Naib
Hungary4843 Posts
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Proposal
United States1310 Posts
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fight_or_flight
United States3988 Posts
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kramus
United States1259 Posts
On March 01 2008 03:03 Naib wrote: that's still a whole week away. I'm sure they'll get it up in a few daysMaybe a silly offtopic question, but isn't the other semis should be on Liquibet already? Cause I don't see Stork vs Lux anywhere. | ||
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kramus
United States1259 Posts
On March 01 2008 03:30 fight_or_flight wrote: I'm no expert but it didn't seem very close. Every time I thought Bisu had grabbed an advantage Flash would quickly turn it around with overwhelming macro, pushing at the right times and with decent harass on the side. Flash seems to read his opponents well. He also used EMP to great effect to counter Bisu's mass arbs, which I think he did in games 2-4. Game 1, the only one Bisu won, was a failed cheese on Flash's part.so I didn't get to see it....was it close at all? Did bisu almost win those games he lost? | ||
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One Page Memory
Bulgaria2145 Posts
On March 01 2008 02:43 puLs.ReADy wrote: this guy is in a top shape ? This guy is in "Bus Driver" mode. <3 Flash! | ||
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distant_voice
Germany2521 Posts
game three was back and forth as well, several times it seemed like Bisu was mining from 3 bases when Flash was only mining from 1. | ||
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GinNtoniC
Sweden2945 Posts
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kramus
United States1259 Posts
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Last Romantic
United States20661 Posts
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Frits
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Stegosaur
Netherlands1231 Posts
It's strange how KTF seems to be driven by Terran right now, and SKT1 is a Toss fortress | ||
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United States80 Posts
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HaXxorIzed
Australia8434 Posts
On March 01 2008 03:30 fight_or_flight wrote: so I didn't get to see it....was it close at all? Did bisu almost win those games he lost? Bisu definitely had his chances to win with the failed HT drop in Game4, before he lost that first army in Game2 etc. There definitely were openings, but Flash was playing relentlessly enough to eventually wear Bisu down after he couldn't take advantage of those. Flash however was playing well coming off great form, and the training versus Stork showed. If PvT training tiem with Stork means Flash will be running like this all the time, I really hope Bisu and Flash train together more a little sometime in the future. : p | ||
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Cogito
United States453 Posts
I'm no fan of Bisu, but I kinda feel sorry for him, because all the great SC progamers have at least made it to the OSL finals and won it, before they started slumping. I wonder if he will ever make it? | ||
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anch
United States5457 Posts
Game wouldnt turn so bad if Flash didnt rush inside, but just hold off and deal 900 damage on the assimilator. | ||
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
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teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
On March 01 2008 03:30 fight_or_flight wrote: so I didn't get to see it....was it close at all? Did bisu almost win those games he lost? The tides turned back and forth in all three games that mattered. At some point in each game, Bisu was ahead by a large margin, then he makes a critical error and let Flash turn it around with his incredible macro. Here's my analysis of the games after watching the VODs (perhaps slightly biased, but hopefully accurate at least): Game 1: Failed cheese by Flash, nuff said. Game 2: The builds worked out in Bisu's favor by far and a decent reaver drop didn't hurt. He was up 140 supply to 105 when he had the sudden stroke of genius to suicide 2 shuttles and half of his army into Flash's impenetrable tank line, killing ONLY ONE TANK at a cost of about 40 supply worth of units. If he had chosen instead to expand again 2x at the bottom left of the map, to outmacro and switch to carriers or arbiters while maintain his economic advantage, the game would've been firmly in his hands. After that, the game was evened up and Flash gradually took the lead. Game 3: Builds worked out for Flash this time, with Bisu falling behind early game with his failed proxy robo. It soon becomes an even 3-base vs 3-base game, when Flash moves the Terran ball out to end the game with 191 supply (Flash) vs 192 supply (Bisu). However, Flash was met with some sick storms and his poor positioning let Bisu come out ahead again with 140 to 105 supply and with 5 mining bases to Flash's 3. At one point it was SEVEN-base P to THREE-base T (eventually 4), with Bisu having the supply lead the whole time. Then, Bisu completely throws the game away by unknowingly recalling into spider mines, while Flash takes the perfect opportunity to push towards Bisu's expos at 12 and 3 and takes down both of them (meeting no resistance), while losing nothing. Within 2 minutes after the failed recall, Flash takes the supply lead, and begins to even up in base count. The rest of the game is filled with great plays from both players, with excellent EMP's from Flash and defensive recalls from Bisu, but it was a downhill battle for Bisu to survive, and Katrina's terrain made it even harder for his non-carrier army. Basically, if Bisu had just played it safe and secured his expansions and made a switch to carriers like he did in Game 4, this game was in his hands no matter what Flash tries to do. Then again, hindsight is 20/20 as Bisu couldn't have known that there were mines in that spot (even though he did try doing the shuttle ferrying earlier, so he should've suspected it). I also have to give credit to Flash for his ballsy attack after being down in supply from the first major battle. Both players put up an incredible show in game 3, all-in-all one of the best PvT's I've seen in a long time. Game 4: Played out as a pretty standard game for the first part (aside from the storm-less HT drop), with each player taking his half of the map. Some nice recalls by Bisu, but for some reason he didn't keep up his macro, eventually banking up to 8000 minerals/0 gas at one point without maxing out (maybe he thought zealots would be a waste, I'm not sure). The carrier switch almost worked out, but Flash used the window of timing to take down Bisu's 12, while taking 6 himself. Eventually, Flash just kept denying Bisu's 12, and his 3/3 goliaths > 2/2 carriers taking out all the interceptors and starving Bisu's economy. I think Flash has perfected his anti-carrier build, so major props to him for that. All credit goes to Flash for winning game 4. To sum it up, I think Flash played solidly with insane macro, but Bisu should've taken either game 2 or game 3 at the very least. I can't say I didn't expect these results, but I wish Bisu didn't make those critical mistakes and took the series to game 5. He has showed that he's regained some of his form, but I'm still sad that he's not going to have a shot at the OSL title. | ||
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Ancestral
United States3230 Posts
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disciple
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17727 Posts
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Zherak
Norway256 Posts
I don't know if I should hate: - Bisu, for his stupid screwups, i.e. the weedy suicide attack in game 2, the incredibly stupid proxy-robo in game 3, or the following ridiculous recall. - Flash, for being the avatar of gay-ass turtle-Terran, doing the same bullshit opening in games 2-4 and taking it to a new level 4. - Blizzard, for having imbalanced 3-3 Terran beyond forgiveness. | ||
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He has adapted, evolved, and leveled up so quickly, its amazing. Compare his cheese wins from the past, and compare to his wins now. I am stunned, hes a few years older than me but I cannot believe a guy like that can throw such punches at the big guys. He even mastered TvP on Katrina, a truly remarkable feat, really shows his adaptability. Ladies and gentlemen, we may be looking at one of the future's finest pro-gamers to ever exist. | ||
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EvoChamber
France2505 Posts
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teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
On March 01 2008 10:40 ._. wrote: Flash played perfect. He has adapted, evolved, and leveled up so quickly, its amazing. Compare his cheese wins from the past, and compare to his wins now. I am stunned, hes a few years older than me but I cannot believe a guy like that can throw such punches at the big guys. He even mastered TvP on Katrina, a truly remarkable feat, really shows his adaptability. Ladies and gentlemen, we may be looking at one of the future's finest pro-gamers to ever exist. I wouldn't say perfect. His tank positioning was pretty bad actually (it cost him the game vs Stork on Blue Storm). He lost an even supply near-max battle vs Bisu (190:190) by a large margin on game 3, and in game 2 as well. His macro was ridiculously good though. If he just controls his armies a bit better in PvT, he'll be unstoppable. | ||
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JoxxOr
Sweden1502 Posts
On March 01 2008 10:28 Zherak wrote: - Blizzard, for having imbalanced 3-3 Terran beyond forgiveness. =)))) | ||
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Zherak
Norway256 Posts
On March 01 2008 10:40 ._. wrote: Flash played perfect. He has adapted, evolved, and leveled up so quickly, its amazing. Compare his cheese wins from the past, and compare to his wins now. I am stunned, hes a few years older than me but I cannot believe a guy like that can throw such punches at the big guys. He even mastered TvP on Katrina, a truly remarkable feat, really shows his adaptability. Ladies and gentlemen, we may be looking at one of the future's finest pro-gamers to ever exist. What the fuck are you talking about? Game 1: Tries to cheese, fails. Game 2: Gets completely outplayed, wins because Bisu suicides half his army in the secondexpoattack. Game 3: Opens correctly versus a stupid proxy-robo and gains a huge advantage - including, yet not limited to, 2 free Dragoon kills, 1 free Reaver kill (...). Still manages to struggle against Bisu, even after he has Anytime-recalled 40 psi into mines. Game 4: Decently played by Flash, though extragavantly gay. Would have lost if Bisu has researched Psi Storm before dropping. Games 2 and 3 were essentially handed to him on a silver platter. He lost game 1. Game 4 was some good old Terran turtle. Adapted? No, he used the same safe-turtle build every game. Mastered TvP? Not at all. He plays a high-APM, macro-oriented turtle, and doesn't even do so especially well. While game 4 is open for discussion, none of the other were anywhere near perfect. They were Terran-with-the-upper-hand-macro. | ||
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ahole-surprise
United States813 Posts
On March 01 2008 10:28 Zherak wrote: - Blizzard, for having imbalanced 3-3 Terran beyond forgiveness. You are an idiot. | ||
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kabumpo
25 Posts
On March 01 2008 12:08 Zherak wrote: What the fuck are you talking about? Game 1: Tries to cheese, fails. Game 2: Gets completely outplayed, wins because Bisu suicides half his army in the secondexpoattack. Game 3: Opens correctly versus a stupid proxy-robo and gains a huge advantage - including, yet not limited to, 2 free Dragoon kills, 1 free Reaver kill (...). Still manages to struggle against Bisu, even after he has Anytime-recalled 40 psi into mines. Game 4: Decently played by Flash, though extragavantly gay. Would have lost if Bisu has researched Psi Storm before dropping. Games 2 and 3 were essentially handed to him on a silver platter. He lost game 1. Game 4 was some good old Terran turtle. Adapted? No, he used the same safe-turtle build every game. Mastered TvP? Not at all. He plays a high-APM, macro-oriented turtle, and doesn't even do so especially well. While game 4 is open for discussion, none of the other were anywhere near perfect. They were Terran-with-the-upper-hand-macro. You are too bias Bisu by telling game 2-4 in such ways. Game 2: It's middle game and Bisu knew the result of a Terran 3-based vs 'toss 3-based. He must decide. Of course, he could choose to expand more instead. But in that way he would soon have to face off a huge T army. Game 3: If it weren't on Katrina, Bisu should have lost in 7-10 minutes after that terrible opening. Game 4: Those two high templars were dropped in midle of a huge macro game, and I didn't think it could have affect much the result of the match. Overall Bisu played better than his current normal form. Otherwise, game 3 and 4 would not last so long and be so intense. But Flash was just superior player this day, you had to admit it. | ||
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ray1234
Canada679 Posts
On March 01 2008 12:08 Zherak wrote: What the fuck are you talking about? Game 1: Tries to cheese, fails. Game 2: Gets completely outplayed, wins because Bisu suicides half his army in the secondexpoattack. Game 3: Opens correctly versus a stupid proxy-robo and gains a huge advantage - including, yet not limited to, 2 free Dragoon kills, 1 free Reaver kill (...). Still manages to struggle against Bisu, even after he has Anytime-recalled 40 psi into mines. Game 4: Decently played by Flash, though extragavantly gay. Would have lost if Bisu has researched Psi Storm before dropping. Games 2 and 3 were essentially handed to him on a silver platter. He lost game 1. Game 4 was some good old Terran turtle. Adapted? No, he used the same safe-turtle build every game. Mastered TvP? Not at all. He plays a high-APM, macro-oriented turtle, and doesn't even do so especially well. While game 4 is open for discussion, none of the other were anywhere near perfect. They were Terran-with-the-upper-hand-macro. epic fail. take off ur bisu-erotic glasses game 2 and 3 flash had a short advantage after bisu's attack in game 2 and proxy in game 3 fails (and who's fault is that?) then flash sits and lets bisu take more expansions (5 fucking bases in game 3??) so essentially they had even macro but bisu still gets dominated. | ||
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17727 Posts
On March 01 2008 10:28 Zherak wrote: Godfuckingdamnit. I don't know if I should hate: - Bisu, for his stupid screwups, i.e. the weedy suicide attack in game 2, the incredibly stupid proxy-robo in game 3, or the following ridiculous recall. - Flash, for being the avatar of gay-ass turtle-Terran, doing the same bullshit opening in games 2-4 and taking it to a new level 4. - Blizzard, for having imbalanced 3-3 Terran beyond forgiveness. What you complaining about. You have katrina carriers and arbiter. I like to see terrans go fast 2 base battlecruiser vs toss and win. | ||
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aeronexus
United States392 Posts
On March 01 2008 10:14 Ilikestarcraft wrote: Flash won on Katrina????!!!!!! this isn't really news any more lol he hasn't lost a tvp on it within the last couple weeks i think. still, it's quite an achievement | ||
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blagoonga123
United States2068 Posts
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
On March 01 2008 12:08 Zherak wrote: What the fuck are you talking about? Game 1: Tries to cheese, fails. Game 2: Gets completely outplayed, wins because Bisu suicides half his army in the secondexpoattack. Game 3: Opens correctly versus a stupid proxy-robo and gains a huge advantage - including, yet not limited to, 2 free Dragoon kills, 1 free Reaver kill (...). Still manages to struggle against Bisu, even after he has Anytime-recalled 40 psi into mines. Game 4: Decently played by Flash, though extragavantly gay. Would have lost if Bisu has researched Psi Storm before dropping. Games 2 and 3 were essentially handed to him on a silver platter. He lost game 1. Game 4 was some good old Terran turtle. Adapted? No, he used the same safe-turtle build every game. Mastered TvP? Not at all. He plays a high-APM, macro-oriented turtle, and doesn't even do so especially well. While game 4 is open for discussion, none of the other were anywhere near perfect. They were Terran-with-the-upper-hand-macro. What the fuck are YOU talking about? Game2: Gets completely outplayed? What makes you think that Flash was outplayed. It was pretty close to even (maybe slight advantage to Bisu) until Bisu did that attack. It wasn't a bad attack imo, just micro mistake. Shuttles not dropping half the stuff, zealots running in too early, etc. It wasn't big enough of a mistake where Flash can automatically win. He outplayed Bisu from then point on, even after the bad formation and whatnot in that huge battle. Game3: I am actually impressed Flash managed to come back after his HUGE fuck-up on his first push. I think this game just shows how much better Flash played. It's true he had the advantage up to that point, but he was fighting an even or maybe uphill battle after that Game4: Lol bunch of bullshit. You should probably get out of Bisu's pants before you make comments about this game. HIGH TEMPLARS>FLASH?!?! Game 2 and Game 3 certainly weren't handed to Flash on a silver platter. He played better than Bisu. He worked for it. Again, you are wrong. Flash is very versatile when he comes to TvP. He cheeses, two facts, macro turtles, and etc. Seems like the his concept vs Bisu was the macro style. Probably made that decision after realizing Bisu goes arbiters more often than carriers (thought he should have went carriers on blue storm). Arbiters don't put as much of a timing pressure on the Terran as carriers do, so Flash was in no hurry. Get vessels, EMP, 3-3 ups, 12 facts, since you don't have to worry about those carriers. | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
United States10657 Posts
On March 01 2008 02:29 ray1234 wrote: bisu is too fuckign greedy with his expansions, every single game he has a shitload of money and somehow gets out macroed Couldn't be more wrong. That's not at all why he lost. He was simply out multitasked and flash is really good at abusing the power of 3/3 metal plus a few minor errors that are completely understandable (recalls into mine fields for example). Well he lost game two because of his stupid attack at the 2nd nat. That and his "storm drop without storm" were his only major mistakes of the night. Flash just played exceptional TvP. | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
United States10657 Posts
On March 01 2008 17:24 OneOther wrote: What the fuck are YOU talking about? Game2: Gets completely outplayed? What makes you think that Flash was outplayed. It was pretty close to even (maybe slight advantage to Bisu) until Bisu did that attack. It wasn't a bad attack imo, just micro mistake. Shuttles not dropping half the stuff, zealots running in too early, etc. It wasn't big enough of a mistake where Flash can automatically win. He outplayed Bisu from then point on, even after the bad formation and whatnot in that huge battle. Game3: I am actually impressed Flash managed to come back after his HUGE fuck-up on his first push. I think this game just shows how much better Flash played. It's true he had the advantage up to that point, but he was fighting an even or maybe uphill battle after that Game4: Lol bunch of bullshit. You should probably get out of Bisu's pants before you make comments about this game. HIGH TEMPLARS>FLASH?!?! Game 2 and Game 3 certainly weren't handed to Flash on a silver platter. He played better than Bisu. He worked for it. Again, you are wrong. Flash is very versatile when he comes to TvP. He cheeses, two facts, macro turtles, and etc. Seems like the his concept vs Bisu was the macro style. Probably made that decision after realizing Bisu goes arbiters more often than carriers (thought he should have went carriers on blue storm). Arbiters don't put as much of a timing pressure on the Terran as carriers do, so Flash was in no hurry. Get vessels, EMP, 3-3 ups, 12 facts, since you don't have to worry about those carriers. Zherak, you're a fucking idiot lol. Thanks oneother for writing a response to that so I wasn't forced to | ||
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Pinselstrich
43 Posts
Game 2: Bisu completely stopped harrassing after his reaver got lots of SVC's kill once... well, what do you expect, thats not enough. Insisting on Arbiters and not sniping Goliaths and Vessels, being pushed back by a slow Terran push. A frustrating and boring strategy, yes, but effective and very well done by Flash. Game 3: Bisu made many little mistakes (flying Arbiters around on Katrina to have them picked of by Terran is not exactly cheap, recalling into mines, proxy robo and ingenius Reaver rally point). I think that was the reason for loosing the game, he ripped through Flashs army two times with easy and got overconfident, engaging tanks without enough zeals and the like is not very healthy, insisting on the attack after you estimated the damage from the first tank shots is just stupid. Flash showed why Arbiters are not only useless against Zerg, but also against Terran. --> mines and Vessels (even without EMP). Game 4: Well, it isn't the first times a guy thinks he can go mass carriers against Flash. Just owned. Boring turtling again, yes, but who cares? He won. GG. IMO in the Game where Micro mattered Flash lost because he's not as good as Bisu in that regard. But his Macro is definitely superior, paired with the typical Terran playstyle it is veryvery hard to beat him. I have to say, I don't like it. Still, I'm glad that Mind is not the best T around there because Mind is the only one more boring than Flash. ^^ GOGO UPMAGIC! xD | ||
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
On March 01 2008 17:41 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: Zherak, you're a fucking idiot lol. Thanks oneother for writing a response to that so I wasn't forced to got ur back theforeverwar | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
United States10657 Posts
On March 01 2008 17:48 Pinselstrich wrote: Game 1: What was that bunker rush for? Superiour micro by Bisu wins him the battle. Game 2: Bisu completely stopped harrassing after his reaver got lots of SVC's kill once... well, what do you expect, thats not enough. Insisting on Arbiters and not sniping Goliaths and Vessels, being pushed back by a slow Terran push. A frustrating and boring strategy, yes, but effective and very well done by Flash. Game 3: Bisu made many little mistakes (flying Arbiters around on Katrina to have them picked of by Terran is not exactly cheap, recalling into mines, proxy robo and ingenius Reaver rally point). I think that was the reason for loosing the game, he ripped through Flashs army two times with easy and got overconfident, engaging tanks without enough zeals and the like is not very healthy, insisting on the attack after you estimated the damage from the first tank shots is just stupid. Flash showed why Arbiters are not only useless against Zerg, but also against Terran. --> mines and Vessels (even without EMP). Game 4: Well, it isn't the first times a guy thinks he can go mass carriers against Flash. Just owned. Boring turtling again, yes, but who cares? He won. GG. IMO in the Game where Micro mattered Flash lost because he's not as good as Bisu in that regard. But his Macro is definitely superior, paired with the typical Terran playstyle it is veryvery hard to beat him. I have to say, I don't like it. Still, I'm glad that Mind is not the best T around there because Mind is the only one more boring than Flash. ^^ GOGO UPMAGIC! xD I won't bother to comment on your analysis (because its pretty fucked up ) . But to say that flash isn't as good at micro is just rediculous. Not only is such a thing very very difficult to judge, because they play a different race, it's highly variable as well. Both players have insane, top notch micro. That's all that can be said about that.Flash lost the first game because of poor decesion making, it had nothing to do with poor micro. In fact decesion making is the cause for loss or win in almost every S class game. Simply because both players are so perfect at micro/macro the small decesions matter, a LOT. Much more so than at lower level play. | ||
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Zherak
Norway256 Posts
On March 01 2008 17:24 OneOther wrote: What the fuck are YOU talking about? Game2: Gets completely outplayed? What makes you think that Flash was outplayed. It was pretty close to even (maybe slight advantage to Bisu) until Bisu did that attack. It wasn't a bad attack imo, just micro mistake. Shuttles not dropping half the stuff, zealots running in too early, etc. It wasn't big enough of a mistake where Flash can automatically win. He outplayed Bisu from then point on, even after the bad formation and whatnot in that huge battle. Game3: I am actually impressed Flash managed to come back after his HUGE fuck-up on his first push. I think this game just shows how much better Flash played. It's true he had the advantage up to that point, but he was fighting an even or maybe uphill battle after that Game4: Lol bunch of bullshit. You should probably get out of Bisu's pants before you make comments about this game. HIGH TEMPLARS>FLASH?!?! Game 2 and Game 3 certainly weren't handed to Flash on a silver platter. He played better than Bisu. He worked for it. Again, you are wrong. Flash is very versatile when he comes to TvP. He cheeses, two facts, macro turtles, and etc. Seems like the his concept vs Bisu was the macro style. Probably made that decision after realizing Bisu goes arbiters more often than carriers (thought he should have went carriers on blue storm). Arbiters don't put as much of a timing pressure on the Terran as carriers do, so Flash was in no hurry. Get vessels, EMP, 3-3 ups, 12 facts, since you don't have to worry about those carriers. I am afraid you and your fellow game analysists need to actually play PvT before you think you have a clue. It takes more than looking at the screen, seeing blue goo and many tank to know what is going on. If you think Game 3 is a comeback by Flash, that just illustrates how badly you know PvT - 3-3 3-base Terran doesn't comeback, it just rears its ugly head again and again. Besides, the point was not whether Bisu had the upper hand or not - the point was merely that Flash did not play perfect, or for that matter even exceptional. It just looks impressive when idiots like you observing the game completely forgets that everything you do will be succesful when playing with the upper hand. | ||
Corinthos
Canada1842 Posts
On March 01 2008 22:47 Zherak wrote: I am afraid you and your fellow game analysists need to actually play PvT before you think you have a clue. It takes more than looking at the screen, seeing blue goo and many tank to know what is going on. If you think Game 3 is a comeback by Flash, that just illustrates how badly you know PvT - 3-3 3-base Terran doesn't comeback, it just rears its ugly head again and again. Besides, the point was not whether Bisu had the upper hand or not - the point was merely that Flash did not play perfect, or for that matter even exceptional. It just looks impressive when idiots like you observing the game completely forgets that everything you do will be succesful when playing with the upper hand.  | ||
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kemoryan
Spain1506 Posts
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L0thar
987 Posts
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
On March 01 2008 22:47 Zherak wrote: I am afraid you and your fellow game analysists need to actually play PvT before you think you have a clue. It takes more than looking at the screen, seeing blue goo and many tank to know what is going on. If you think Game 3 is a comeback by Flash, that just illustrates how badly you know PvT - 3-3 3-base Terran doesn't comeback, it just rears its ugly head again and again. Besides, the point was not whether Bisu had the upper hand or not - the point was merely that Flash did not play perfect, or for that matter even exceptional. It just looks impressive when idiots like you observing the game completely forgets that everything you do will be succesful when playing with the upper hand. lol how good are you at this game buddy? I have this feeling you are shit-awful at this game. Look at yourself before you comment on other people's PvT. Oh yeah, Bisu would have won if he high templars in game 4!! You think Bisu "OUTPLAYED" Flash prior to the attack in game 2. You think game 3 was a free-bee but flash still struggled. ..you are plain fucking retarded ban this troll | ||
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._.
1133 Posts
His emp's were sharp, makes you wonder if a dark archon could have helped. | ||
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Tonkerchen
680 Posts
but gg's. Dissapointed cuz Bisu lost | ||
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FeArTeHsCoUrGe
United States58 Posts
With respect to the first game, I do believe there is a comment (somewhere on the internet) where Flash states its pretty much impossible for a Terran to beat a Protoss on Troy, which is why he went for the cheese strategy. Even then, he only lost because he decided to overextend himself, going after Bisu's main instead of simply securing the choke point, and possibly destroying the two geysers. For those of you saying Flash got lucky, or outmicroed, or any other excuses, ask yourself this . . . did Flash get lucky vs Jae Dong? Twice? What about vs Stork? Didn't Jae Dong beat Stork? Once Flash's build gets properly analyzed, he will have to adjust or die like Bisu. Until then, don't hate on Flash because he was genius enough to own Protoss on maps that are generally considered to be Protoss favored. That is saying something. | ||
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
On March 02 2008 08:33 FeArTeHsCoUrGe wrote: If I am not mistaken . . . With respect to the first game, I do believe there is a comment (somewhere on the internet) where Flash states its pretty much impossible for a Terran to beat a Protoss on Troy, which is why he went for the cheese strategy. Even then, he only lost because he decided to overextend himself, going after Bisu's main instead of simply securing the choke point, and possibly destroying the two geysers. For those of you saying Flash got lucky, or outmicroed, or any other excuses, ask yourself this . . . did Flash get lucky vs Jae Dong? Twice? What about vs Stork? Didn't Jae Dong beat Stork? Once Flash's build gets properly analyzed, he will have to adjust or die like Bisu. Until then, don't hate on Flash because he was genius enough to own Protoss on maps that are generally considered to be Protoss favored. That is saying something. Exactly. Every build gets countered eventually, so everyone claiming that terran 3-3 gay imba etc. will always win even over more skilled opponents, and that Flash's new build is only reinforcing this, will be shocked no doubt when a few months down the road a Protoss player smashes Flash into the dust. | ||
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FeArTeHsCoUrGe
United States58 Posts
On March 01 2008 22:47 Zherak wrote: I am afraid you and your fellow game analysists need to actually play PvT before you think you have a clue. It takes more than looking at the screen, seeing blue goo and many tank to know what is going on. If you think Game 3 is a comeback by Flash, that just illustrates how badly you know PvT - 3-3 3-base Terran doesn't comeback, it just rears its ugly head again and again. Besides, the point was not whether Bisu had the upper hand or not - the point was merely that Flash did not play perfect, or for that matter even exceptional. It just looks impressive when idiots like you observing the game completely forgets that everything you do will be succesful when playing with the upper hand. Nominee for most ignorant post of the year. Flash did not play perfect? By whose standard? Flash has beaten the two top Protoss players consistently on Protoss favored maps. How is that not impressive? Playing with the upper hand? Well, looking at the statistics of most other Terran's on these maps, why were they consistently getting owned despite playing with the upper hand? Because they weren't. Flash created the "upper hand" with the use of a ingenious strategy that counters the common Protoss builds of the day. Like Nada, and Oov, Savior, and even Bisu, he is proof of the constant evolving of strategy created by top players, and its innovators like him who force the Starcraft scene into the dynamic struggle of strategies and counter-strategies that has existed since the reign of Nada. | ||
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
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Sadist
United States7229 Posts
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Agahnim
Netherlands132 Posts
On March 02 2008 08:33 FeArTeHsCoUrGe wrote: did Flash get lucky vs Jae Dong? Yeah, he did. when all of gsi's games consist of cheese and he wins 2-1 i call it luck. cheese heavily depends on luck. Last game of OSL on Katrina for example. What did Flash do to win him the game? wallin expand go mech turtle upgrade move out setup army watch jaedong suicide his army in yours attack-move win He did nothing exceptional. he didn't vulture harass like in the previous game in msl on katrina or anything like that, just turtle + move out and jaedong handed him the win. if he goes for a sunkenbreak, it's more jaedong's fault for not making enough defense, so flash was in a way lucky again. jaedong seems to have learned from it judging from his match vs mind, though he barely defended it. and over the 3 tournaments their record is 3-1 1-2 and 1-2 so they're tied 5-5. sure flash is good, but a lot of wins seem to be attributed to failures of his opponents. (i haven't seen his games vs bisu/stork yet, but i read a lot of people saying bisu made some big mistakes) | ||
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Sadist
United States7229 Posts
On March 02 2008 09:22 Agahnim wrote: Yeah, he did. when all of gsi's games consist of cheese and he wins 2-1 i call it luck. cheese heavily depends on luck. Last game of OSL on Katrina for example. What did Flash do to win him the game? wallin expand go mech turtle upgrade move out setup army watch jaedong suicide his army in yours attack-move win He did nothing exceptional. he didn't vulture harass like in the previous game in msl on katrina or anything like that, just turtle + move out and jaedong handed him the win. if he goes for a sunkenbreak, it's more jaedong's fault for not making enough defense, so flash was in a way lucky again. jaedong seems to have learned from it judging from his match vs mind, though he barely defended it. and over the 3 tournaments their record is 3-1 1-2 and 1-2 so they're tied 5-5. sure flash is good, but a lot of wins seem to be attributed to failures of his opponents. (i haven't seen his games vs bisu/stork yet, but i read a lot of people saying bisu made some big mistakes) thats a really shitty way to look at it, He had to manage his game very well, and its not like a person just suicides there shit for no reason, there are parts to the game that have made jaedong believe that he could take him or that he had to make his move, flashs play probably made him feel uncomfortable, which is a credit to flash. In order for someone to lose they have to make a mistake, in games jaedong beats people they make mistakes too. | ||
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Agahnim
Netherlands132 Posts
). And from what I have seen and read, Flash has been lucky with the mistakes from his opponents which weren't forced by him. Which is my answer to the part I quoted in the post before. | ||
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Sadist
United States7229 Posts
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disciple
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TheFoReveRwaR
United States10657 Posts
On March 01 2008 22:47 Zherak wrote: I am afraid you and your fellow game analysists need to actually play PvT before you think you have a clue. It takes more than looking at the screen, seeing blue goo and many tank to know what is going on. If you think Game 3 is a comeback by Flash, that just illustrates how badly you know PvT - 3-3 3-base Terran doesn't comeback, it just rears its ugly head again and again. Besides, the point was not whether Bisu had the upper hand or not - the point was merely that Flash did not play perfect, or for that matter even exceptional. It just looks impressive when idiots like you observing the game completely forgets that everything you do will be succesful when playing with the upper hand. BO 7 PvT , TvP showmatch ? Post reps ? Lets "actually play PvT". Look forward to raping you | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
United States10657 Posts
On March 02 2008 09:09 Sadist wrote: I cant believe people are calling what flash is doing boring, this stuff is nothing new, OOV started this shit. Only difference is Flash uses gols now and rapes carriers. BTW anyone know how exactly he was able to kill all the interceptors that easily? I Used hold position and it didnt work very well Did you have +2 attack at the time? With +2 ints take one less hit. Personally I think it's constant a-click, move, a-click spamming. | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
United States10657 Posts
On March 02 2008 09:51 Sadist wrote: Thats bullshit, he outplayed jaedong and stork as well as bisu, he managed the game better than they did. You can tell he put pressure on jaedong, why do you think he tried that stupid sunken rush ? While I agree with you completely, I just wanted to mention that Baek is horribly imbalanced in favor of T against Z. So I'm sure that had a lot to do with Jaedongs strategic choice. Jaedong definitely feared Flash's mech on that map. | ||
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Try
United States1293 Posts
On March 01 2008 22:47 Zherak wrote: I am afraid you and your fellow game analysists need to actually play PvT before you think you have a clue. It takes more than looking at the screen, seeing blue goo and many tank to know what is going on. If you think Game 3 is a comeback by Flash, that just illustrates how badly you know PvT - 3-3 3-base Terran doesn't comeback, it just rears its ugly head again and again. Besides, the point was not whether Bisu had the upper hand or not - the point was merely that Flash did not play perfect, or for that matter even exceptional. It just looks impressive when idiots like you observing the game completely forgets that everything you do will be succesful when playing with the upper hand. WTF? GAME 4=Extravagantly gay because Flash played perfectly and raped Bisu to shreds? GTFO. | ||
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
On March 02 2008 09:22 Agahnim wrote: Yeah, he did. when all of gsi's games consist of cheese and he wins 2-1 i call it luck. cheese heavily depends on luck. Last game of OSL on Katrina for example. What did Flash do to win him the game? wallin expand go mech turtle upgrade move out setup army watch jaedong suicide his army in yours attack-move win He did nothing exceptional. he didn't vulture harass like in the previous game in msl on katrina or anything like that, just turtle + move out and jaedong handed him the win. if he goes for a sunkenbreak, it's more jaedong's fault for not making enough defense, so flash was in a way lucky again. jaedong seems to have learned from it judging from his match vs mind, though he barely defended it. and over the 3 tournaments their record is 3-1 1-2 and 1-2 so they're tied 5-5. sure flash is good, but a lot of wins seem to be attributed to failures of his opponents. (i haven't seen his games vs bisu/stork yet, but i read a lot of people saying bisu made some big mistakes) .....die please | ||
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HaXxorIzed
Australia8434 Posts
Point one. Flash didn't look invincible in either Bo5, he looked incredible. Bisu and Stork had their chances to beat him, but Flash simply played better. Both Stork and Bisu if they take note of each Bo5, correct their mistakes and use each other's successful ideas can win. Flash proved he can stand amongst the best PvT displays these two can offer up. That's all there is to it. Point Two. Even if Flash's style is boring/lame/imbalanced/whatever, Flash is still the only one who managed to pull it off out of all the Terran Bisu/Stork have played. Give him credit where it's due. | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
United States10657 Posts
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Jimtudor
Canada259 Posts
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arbiter_md
Moldova1219 Posts
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DA_Greeks
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lIlIlIlIlIlI
Korea (South)3851 Posts
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FeArTeHsCoUrGe
United States58 Posts
On March 06 2008 02:58 DA_Greeks wrote: Wow... from this thread I can see Flash has too many fanboys. Bisu has proven himself from his accomplishments. Flash has done nothing yet compared to Bisu. Until he proves himself worthy of winning game after game after game for an extended time (like Bisu did) then yes... adore him. Until then stop it please. Bisu never, ever, ever, won game after game after game for an extended period of time. His reign was never that dominant, not even close. Bisu invented a dominant strategy vs Zerg (particularly vs Savior), winning his first MSL. He barely beat Stork for the second MSL. It was downhill from there. With respect to top, top progamers, Bisu has always sucked vs Terran. HIs PvP was stable, his PvZ was amazing until Zerg players stopped following the Maestro's footsteps and started playing smart, aka using Hydras. Flash has only been playing SC for 3 years, and look what hes done. He won a tournament featuring the best of the best. He is in the OSL finals, and has beaten many of the top current players. Accomplishments? Shall we argue which is the greater accomplishment, GSI or MSL? If Flash wins the OSL, he would have accomplished much more than your beloved Bisu (although, for his age, most can argue he already has). If you want to use a player for comparison, use Nada, Oov, or Savior. Bisu was never that dominant; he is more like the JulyZerg of Protoss; revitalized standard play and won a few tourneys because of that. | ||
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anch
United States5457 Posts
On March 06 2008 02:58 DA_Greeks wrote: Wow... from this thread I can see Flash has too many fanboys. Bisu has proven himself from his accomplishments. Flash has done nothing yet compared to Bisu. Until he proves himself worthy of winning game after game after game for an extended time (like Bisu did) then yes... adore him. Until then stop it please. Its not fanboyism, its the winner of this thread title. "Bacchus OSL Semifinals A - Bisu vs Flash" Wtf is wrong with praising his amazing play and strats. Currently, he is kicking more asses than Bisu, deal with it. | ||
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
But all u idiots who argue that flash won because stork and bisu sucked.. that is teh nonsense.. I still think flashs start is designed vs carrier toss play and playing a very very focused strategy on ground units could have been or could be the counter in the future. | ||
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Nick_54
United States2230 Posts
On March 06 2008 04:30 FeArTeHsCoUrGe wrote: Bisu never, ever, ever, won game after game after game for an extended period of time. His reign was never that dominant, not even close. Bisu invented a dominant strategy vs Zerg (particularly vs Savior), winning his first MSL. He barely beat Stork for the second MSL. It was downhill from there. With respect to top, top progamers, Bisu has always sucked vs Terran. HIs PvP was stable, his PvZ was amazing until Zerg players stopped following the Maestro's footsteps and started playing smart, aka using Hydras. Flash has only been playing SC for 3 years, and look what hes done. He won a tournament featuring the best of the best. He is in the OSL finals, and has beaten many of the top current players. Accomplishments? Shall we argue which is the greater accomplishment, GSI or MSL? If Flash wins the OSL, he would have accomplished much more than your beloved Bisu (although, for his age, most can argue he already has). If you want to use a player for comparison, use Nada, Oov, or Savior. Bisu was never that dominant; he is more like the JulyZerg of Protoss; revitalized standard play and won a few tourneys because of that. Stop trolling these pages. NO ONE is saying Bisu is bonjwa. For you to compare Flash to the bonjwas is bullshit. He won an invitational tournament. Good for him he's playing well. Based on your logic I could say Flash came up with a good vs protoss. He hasn't even been able to dominate Jaedong (Its argueable that Jaedong is the better player). So lets put the fucking annointing oil away. | ||
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GeneralStan
United States4789 Posts
 Flash has been playing incredibly, I have to agree, but there will be no real answer until Jaedong and Flash play another series. I think personally that Jaedong will find a way to counter Flash's metal and reassert his dominance. | ||
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
For me personaly u cant be a bonjaw if u didnt at least win an osl or msl.. but whatever.. | ||
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FeArTeHsCoUrGe
United States58 Posts
On March 06 2008 06:19 Nick_54 wrote: Stop trolling these pages. NO ONE is saying Bisu is bonjwa. For you to compare Flash to the bonjwas is bullshit. He won an invitational tournament. Good for him he's playing well. Based on your logic I could say Flash came up with a good vs protoss. He hasn't even been able to dominate Jaedong (Its argueable that Jaedong is the better player). So lets put the fucking annointing oil away. Point out where I compared Flash to a bonjwa? Guess what: I didn't. I merely responded to a person who is attempting to delineate Flash's current gaming status. And, for a time many people were saying Bisu was the next Bonjwa. Alot of people. On these forums, buddy. You would think someone with your post count could recognize that obvious truth. But I guess post count means nothing when all you do is go around calling legit arguers "trolls" without even reading the post. Flash is on fire, just like Jaedong is on fire. Just like Bisu was on fire. Thats all there is too it. | ||
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GeneralStan
United States4789 Posts
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
On March 06 2008 02:58 DA_Greeks wrote: Wow... from this thread I can see Flash has too many fanboys. Bisu has proven himself from his accomplishments. Flash has done nothing yet compared to Bisu. Until he proves himself worthy of winning game after game after game for an extended time (like Bisu did) then yes... adore him. Until then stop it please. I don't care what Flash has accomplished. What's wrong with liking a player for his style and simply what he's been doing recently? | ||
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Nick_54
United States2230 Posts
On March 06 2008 08:25 GeneralStan wrote: Bisu seemed imminently poised to claim the title of next Bonja. I'm still surprised he didn't, but that's I guess what he gets for having a matchup as weak as his P v T is His PvT is not weak. Why do people keep saying this? | ||
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GeneralStan
United States4789 Posts
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NathanSC
United States620 Posts
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OrderlyChaos
United States1115 Posts
On March 06 2008 10:25 NathanSC wrote: The GSI series against Iris was considered a big series? By whom? Have you noticed which thread this is, and who actually won this series? Bisu's lost to Mind in the Finals of the MSL. The last series vs T that Bisu's won is the one vs Upmagic who's not exactly strong TvP | ||
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NathanSC
United States620 Posts
On March 06 2008 10:35 OrderlyChaos wrote: Have you noticed which thread this is, and who actually won this series? Bisu's lost to Mind in the Finals of the MSL. The last series vs T that Bisu's won is the one vs Upmagic who's not exactly strong TvP Precisely because this is the thread dedicated to the OSL semi-finals, I assumed that any discussion about losing "some" P v T series would have to be a series other than Bisu versus Flash. Anyone in this thread is more than likely well-educated of that. That leads me to the assumption that the most recent series he could have been referring to is Bisu versus Iris. Is there something wrong with that? | ||
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OrderlyChaos
United States1115 Posts
On March 06 2008 10:51 NathanSC wrote: Precisely because this is the thread dedicated to the OSL semi-finals, I assumed that any discussion about losing "some" P v T series would have to be a series other than Bisu versus Flash. Anyone in this thread is more than likely well-educated of that. That leads me to the assumption that the most recent series he could have been referring to is Bisu versus Iris. Is there something wrong with that? Some series implied plural to me, thus I went back to the last few series Bisu played. This one, Iris in GSI, Upmagic, and Mind. He's lost 3 of them, which could potentially cast doubt on Bisu's PvT if you think losing a few series is indicative of a weak PvT. | ||
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GeneralStan
United States4789 Posts
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NathanSC
United States620 Posts
On March 07 2008 03:53 GeneralStan wrote: OrderlyChaos got it right. Recently P v T Bisu has beaten Xellos and Upmagic, hardly the cream of modern T v P. He needs to get a win against a strong opponent in a big match in order to stop doubters. Until then, even his near 60% record v T isn't enough to keep me from worrying (and I'm a Bisu fan!) Edit: Removed myself since this is all very off-topic. Go Flash? | ||
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teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
On March 06 2008 13:27 OrderlyChaos wrote: Some series implied plural to me, thus I went back to the last few series Bisu played. This one, Iris in GSI, Upmagic, and Mind. He's lost 3 of them, which could potentially cast doubt on Bisu's PvT if you think losing a few series is indicative of a weak PvT. He won vs Upmagic, not that it means all that much though. His decent show of form of Flash speaks a lot more about his PvT than anything else. | ||
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