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Bacchus OSL Semifinals A - Bisu vs Flash - Page 37
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disciple
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HaXxorIzed
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17733 Posts
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Zherak
Norway256 Posts
I don't know if I should hate: - Bisu, for his stupid screwups, i.e. the weedy suicide attack in game 2, the incredibly stupid proxy-robo in game 3, or the following ridiculous recall. - Flash, for being the avatar of gay-ass turtle-Terran, doing the same bullshit opening in games 2-4 and taking it to a new level 4. - Blizzard, for having imbalanced 3-3 Terran beyond forgiveness. | ||
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He has adapted, evolved, and leveled up so quickly, its amazing. Compare his cheese wins from the past, and compare to his wins now. I am stunned, hes a few years older than me but I cannot believe a guy like that can throw such punches at the big guys. He even mastered TvP on Katrina, a truly remarkable feat, really shows his adaptability. Ladies and gentlemen, we may be looking at one of the future's finest pro-gamers to ever exist. | ||
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EvoChamber
France2505 Posts
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teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
On March 01 2008 10:40 ._. wrote: Flash played perfect. He has adapted, evolved, and leveled up so quickly, its amazing. Compare his cheese wins from the past, and compare to his wins now. I am stunned, hes a few years older than me but I cannot believe a guy like that can throw such punches at the big guys. He even mastered TvP on Katrina, a truly remarkable feat, really shows his adaptability. Ladies and gentlemen, we may be looking at one of the future's finest pro-gamers to ever exist. I wouldn't say perfect. His tank positioning was pretty bad actually (it cost him the game vs Stork on Blue Storm). He lost an even supply near-max battle vs Bisu (190:190) by a large margin on game 3, and in game 2 as well. His macro was ridiculously good though. If he just controls his armies a bit better in PvT, he'll be unstoppable. | ||
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JoxxOr
Sweden1502 Posts
On March 01 2008 10:28 Zherak wrote: - Blizzard, for having imbalanced 3-3 Terran beyond forgiveness. =)))) | ||
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Zherak
Norway256 Posts
On March 01 2008 10:40 ._. wrote: Flash played perfect. He has adapted, evolved, and leveled up so quickly, its amazing. Compare his cheese wins from the past, and compare to his wins now. I am stunned, hes a few years older than me but I cannot believe a guy like that can throw such punches at the big guys. He even mastered TvP on Katrina, a truly remarkable feat, really shows his adaptability. Ladies and gentlemen, we may be looking at one of the future's finest pro-gamers to ever exist. What the fuck are you talking about? Game 1: Tries to cheese, fails. Game 2: Gets completely outplayed, wins because Bisu suicides half his army in the secondexpoattack. Game 3: Opens correctly versus a stupid proxy-robo and gains a huge advantage - including, yet not limited to, 2 free Dragoon kills, 1 free Reaver kill (...). Still manages to struggle against Bisu, even after he has Anytime-recalled 40 psi into mines. Game 4: Decently played by Flash, though extragavantly gay. Would have lost if Bisu has researched Psi Storm before dropping. Games 2 and 3 were essentially handed to him on a silver platter. He lost game 1. Game 4 was some good old Terran turtle. Adapted? No, he used the same safe-turtle build every game. Mastered TvP? Not at all. He plays a high-APM, macro-oriented turtle, and doesn't even do so especially well. While game 4 is open for discussion, none of the other were anywhere near perfect. They were Terran-with-the-upper-hand-macro. | ||
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ahole-surprise
United States813 Posts
On March 01 2008 10:28 Zherak wrote: - Blizzard, for having imbalanced 3-3 Terran beyond forgiveness. You are an idiot. | ||
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kabumpo
25 Posts
On March 01 2008 12:08 Zherak wrote: What the fuck are you talking about? Game 1: Tries to cheese, fails. Game 2: Gets completely outplayed, wins because Bisu suicides half his army in the secondexpoattack. Game 3: Opens correctly versus a stupid proxy-robo and gains a huge advantage - including, yet not limited to, 2 free Dragoon kills, 1 free Reaver kill (...). Still manages to struggle against Bisu, even after he has Anytime-recalled 40 psi into mines. Game 4: Decently played by Flash, though extragavantly gay. Would have lost if Bisu has researched Psi Storm before dropping. Games 2 and 3 were essentially handed to him on a silver platter. He lost game 1. Game 4 was some good old Terran turtle. Adapted? No, he used the same safe-turtle build every game. Mastered TvP? Not at all. He plays a high-APM, macro-oriented turtle, and doesn't even do so especially well. While game 4 is open for discussion, none of the other were anywhere near perfect. They were Terran-with-the-upper-hand-macro. You are too bias Bisu by telling game 2-4 in such ways. Game 2: It's middle game and Bisu knew the result of a Terran 3-based vs 'toss 3-based. He must decide. Of course, he could choose to expand more instead. But in that way he would soon have to face off a huge T army. Game 3: If it weren't on Katrina, Bisu should have lost in 7-10 minutes after that terrible opening. Game 4: Those two high templars were dropped in midle of a huge macro game, and I didn't think it could have affect much the result of the match. Overall Bisu played better than his current normal form. Otherwise, game 3 and 4 would not last so long and be so intense. But Flash was just superior player this day, you had to admit it. | ||
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ray1234
Canada679 Posts
On March 01 2008 12:08 Zherak wrote: What the fuck are you talking about? Game 1: Tries to cheese, fails. Game 2: Gets completely outplayed, wins because Bisu suicides half his army in the secondexpoattack. Game 3: Opens correctly versus a stupid proxy-robo and gains a huge advantage - including, yet not limited to, 2 free Dragoon kills, 1 free Reaver kill (...). Still manages to struggle against Bisu, even after he has Anytime-recalled 40 psi into mines. Game 4: Decently played by Flash, though extragavantly gay. Would have lost if Bisu has researched Psi Storm before dropping. Games 2 and 3 were essentially handed to him on a silver platter. He lost game 1. Game 4 was some good old Terran turtle. Adapted? No, he used the same safe-turtle build every game. Mastered TvP? Not at all. He plays a high-APM, macro-oriented turtle, and doesn't even do so especially well. While game 4 is open for discussion, none of the other were anywhere near perfect. They were Terran-with-the-upper-hand-macro. epic fail. take off ur bisu-erotic glasses game 2 and 3 flash had a short advantage after bisu's attack in game 2 and proxy in game 3 fails (and who's fault is that?) then flash sits and lets bisu take more expansions (5 fucking bases in game 3??) so essentially they had even macro but bisu still gets dominated. | ||
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17733 Posts
On March 01 2008 10:28 Zherak wrote: Godfuckingdamnit. I don't know if I should hate: - Bisu, for his stupid screwups, i.e. the weedy suicide attack in game 2, the incredibly stupid proxy-robo in game 3, or the following ridiculous recall. - Flash, for being the avatar of gay-ass turtle-Terran, doing the same bullshit opening in games 2-4 and taking it to a new level 4. - Blizzard, for having imbalanced 3-3 Terran beyond forgiveness. What you complaining about. You have katrina carriers and arbiter. I like to see terrans go fast 2 base battlecruiser vs toss and win. | ||
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clazziquai
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aeronexus
United States392 Posts
On March 01 2008 10:14 Ilikestarcraft wrote: Flash won on Katrina????!!!!!! this isn't really news any more lol he hasn't lost a tvp on it within the last couple weeks i think. still, it's quite an achievement | ||
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blagoonga123
United States2068 Posts
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
On March 01 2008 12:08 Zherak wrote: What the fuck are you talking about? Game 1: Tries to cheese, fails. Game 2: Gets completely outplayed, wins because Bisu suicides half his army in the secondexpoattack. Game 3: Opens correctly versus a stupid proxy-robo and gains a huge advantage - including, yet not limited to, 2 free Dragoon kills, 1 free Reaver kill (...). Still manages to struggle against Bisu, even after he has Anytime-recalled 40 psi into mines. Game 4: Decently played by Flash, though extragavantly gay. Would have lost if Bisu has researched Psi Storm before dropping. Games 2 and 3 were essentially handed to him on a silver platter. He lost game 1. Game 4 was some good old Terran turtle. Adapted? No, he used the same safe-turtle build every game. Mastered TvP? Not at all. He plays a high-APM, macro-oriented turtle, and doesn't even do so especially well. While game 4 is open for discussion, none of the other were anywhere near perfect. They were Terran-with-the-upper-hand-macro. What the fuck are YOU talking about? Game2: Gets completely outplayed? What makes you think that Flash was outplayed. It was pretty close to even (maybe slight advantage to Bisu) until Bisu did that attack. It wasn't a bad attack imo, just micro mistake. Shuttles not dropping half the stuff, zealots running in too early, etc. It wasn't big enough of a mistake where Flash can automatically win. He outplayed Bisu from then point on, even after the bad formation and whatnot in that huge battle. Game3: I am actually impressed Flash managed to come back after his HUGE fuck-up on his first push. I think this game just shows how much better Flash played. It's true he had the advantage up to that point, but he was fighting an even or maybe uphill battle after that Game4: Lol bunch of bullshit. You should probably get out of Bisu's pants before you make comments about this game. HIGH TEMPLARS>FLASH?!?! Game 2 and Game 3 certainly weren't handed to Flash on a silver platter. He played better than Bisu. He worked for it. Again, you are wrong. Flash is very versatile when he comes to TvP. He cheeses, two facts, macro turtles, and etc. Seems like the his concept vs Bisu was the macro style. Probably made that decision after realizing Bisu goes arbiters more often than carriers (thought he should have went carriers on blue storm). Arbiters don't put as much of a timing pressure on the Terran as carriers do, so Flash was in no hurry. Get vessels, EMP, 3-3 ups, 12 facts, since you don't have to worry about those carriers. | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
United States10657 Posts
On March 01 2008 02:29 ray1234 wrote: bisu is too fuckign greedy with his expansions, every single game he has a shitload of money and somehow gets out macroed Couldn't be more wrong. That's not at all why he lost. He was simply out multitasked and flash is really good at abusing the power of 3/3 metal plus a few minor errors that are completely understandable (recalls into mine fields for example). Well he lost game two because of his stupid attack at the 2nd nat. That and his "storm drop without storm" were his only major mistakes of the night. Flash just played exceptional TvP. | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
United States10657 Posts
On March 01 2008 17:24 OneOther wrote: What the fuck are YOU talking about? Game2: Gets completely outplayed? What makes you think that Flash was outplayed. It was pretty close to even (maybe slight advantage to Bisu) until Bisu did that attack. It wasn't a bad attack imo, just micro mistake. Shuttles not dropping half the stuff, zealots running in too early, etc. It wasn't big enough of a mistake where Flash can automatically win. He outplayed Bisu from then point on, even after the bad formation and whatnot in that huge battle. Game3: I am actually impressed Flash managed to come back after his HUGE fuck-up on his first push. I think this game just shows how much better Flash played. It's true he had the advantage up to that point, but he was fighting an even or maybe uphill battle after that Game4: Lol bunch of bullshit. You should probably get out of Bisu's pants before you make comments about this game. HIGH TEMPLARS>FLASH?!?! Game 2 and Game 3 certainly weren't handed to Flash on a silver platter. He played better than Bisu. He worked for it. Again, you are wrong. Flash is very versatile when he comes to TvP. He cheeses, two facts, macro turtles, and etc. Seems like the his concept vs Bisu was the macro style. Probably made that decision after realizing Bisu goes arbiters more often than carriers (thought he should have went carriers on blue storm). Arbiters don't put as much of a timing pressure on the Terran as carriers do, so Flash was in no hurry. Get vessels, EMP, 3-3 ups, 12 facts, since you don't have to worry about those carriers. Zherak, you're a fucking idiot lol. Thanks oneother for writing a response to that so I wasn't forced to  | ||
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Pinselstrich
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Game 2: Bisu completely stopped harrassing after his reaver got lots of SVC's kill once... well, what do you expect, thats not enough. Insisting on Arbiters and not sniping Goliaths and Vessels, being pushed back by a slow Terran push. A frustrating and boring strategy, yes, but effective and very well done by Flash. Game 3: Bisu made many little mistakes (flying Arbiters around on Katrina to have them picked of by Terran is not exactly cheap, recalling into mines, proxy robo and ingenius Reaver rally point). I think that was the reason for loosing the game, he ripped through Flashs army two times with easy and got overconfident, engaging tanks without enough zeals and the like is not very healthy, insisting on the attack after you estimated the damage from the first tank shots is just stupid. Flash showed why Arbiters are not only useless against Zerg, but also against Terran. --> mines and Vessels (even without EMP). Game 4: Well, it isn't the first times a guy thinks he can go mass carriers against Flash. Just owned. Boring turtling again, yes, but who cares? He won. GG. IMO in the Game where Micro mattered Flash lost because he's not as good as Bisu in that regard. But his Macro is definitely superior, paired with the typical Terran playstyle it is veryvery hard to beat him. I have to say, I don't like it. Still, I'm glad that Mind is not the best T around there because Mind is the only one more boring than Flash. ^^ GOGO UPMAGIC! xD | ||
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