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On March 01 2008 17:41 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2008 17:24 OneOther wrote:On March 01 2008 12:08 Zherak wrote:On March 01 2008 10:40 ._. wrote:
Flash played perfect.
He has adapted, evolved, and leveled up so quickly, its amazing.
Compare his cheese wins from the past, and compare to his wins now.
I am stunned, hes a few years older than me but I cannot believe a guy like that can throw such punches at the big guys. He even mastered TvP on Katrina, a truly remarkable feat, really shows his adaptability.
Ladies and gentlemen, we may be looking at one of the future's finest pro-gamers to ever exist. What the fuck are you talking about? Game 1: Tries to cheese, fails. Game 2: Gets completely outplayed, wins because Bisu suicides half his army in the secondexpoattack. Game 3: Opens correctly versus a stupid proxy-robo and gains a huge advantage - including, yet not limited to, 2 free Dragoon kills, 1 free Reaver kill (...). Still manages to struggle against Bisu, even after he has Anytime-recalled 40 psi into mines. Game 4: Decently played by Flash, though extragavantly gay. Would have lost if Bisu has researched Psi Storm before dropping. Games 2 and 3 were essentially handed to him on a silver platter. He lost game 1. Game 4 was some good old Terran turtle. Adapted? No, he used the same safe-turtle build every game. Mastered TvP? Not at all. He plays a high-APM, macro-oriented turtle, and doesn't even do so especially well. While game 4 is open for discussion, none of the other were anywhere near perfect. They were Terran-with-the-upper-hand-macro. What the fuck are YOU talking about? Game2: Gets completely outplayed? What makes you think that Flash was outplayed. It was pretty close to even (maybe slight advantage to Bisu) until Bisu did that attack. It wasn't a bad attack imo, just micro mistake. Shuttles not dropping half the stuff, zealots running in too early, etc. It wasn't big enough of a mistake where Flash can automatically win. He outplayed Bisu from then point on, even after the bad formation and whatnot in that huge battle. Game3: I am actually impressed Flash managed to come back after his HUGE fuck-up on his first push. I think this game just shows how much better Flash played. It's true he had the advantage up to that point, but he was fighting an even or maybe uphill battle after that Game4: Lol bunch of bullshit. You should probably get out of Bisu's pants before you make comments about this game. HIGH TEMPLARS>FLASH?!?! Game 2 and Game 3 certainly weren't handed to Flash on a silver platter. He played better than Bisu. He worked for it. Again, you are wrong. Flash is very versatile when he comes to TvP. He cheeses, two facts, macro turtles, and etc. Seems like the his concept vs Bisu was the macro style. Probably made that decision after realizing Bisu goes arbiters more often than carriers (thought he should have went carriers on blue storm). Arbiters don't put as much of a timing pressure on the Terran as carriers do, so Flash was in no hurry. Get vessels, EMP, 3-3 ups, 12 facts, since you don't have to worry about those carriers. Zherak, you're a fucking idiot lol. Thanks oneother for writing a response to that so I wasn't forced to 
got ur back theforeverwar 
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On March 01 2008 17:48 Pinselstrich wrote:
Game 1: What was that bunker rush for? Superiour micro by Bisu wins him the battle.
Game 2: Bisu completely stopped harrassing after his reaver got lots of SVC's kill once... well, what do you expect, thats not enough. Insisting on Arbiters and not sniping Goliaths and Vessels, being pushed back by a slow Terran push. A frustrating and boring strategy, yes, but effective and very well done by Flash.
Game 3: Bisu made many little mistakes (flying Arbiters around on Katrina to have them picked of by Terran is not exactly cheap, recalling into mines, proxy robo and ingenius Reaver rally point). I think that was the reason for loosing the game, he ripped through Flashs army two times with easy and got overconfident, engaging tanks without enough zeals and the like is not very healthy, insisting on the attack after you estimated the damage from the first tank shots is just stupid. Flash showed why Arbiters are not only useless against Zerg, but also against Terran. --> mines and Vessels (even without EMP).
Game 4: Well, it isn't the first times a guy thinks he can go mass carriers against Flash. Just owned. Boring turtling again, yes, but who cares? He won. GG.
IMO in the Game where Micro mattered Flash lost because he's not as good as Bisu in that regard. But his Macro is definitely superior, paired with the typical Terran playstyle it is veryvery hard to beat him. I have to say, I don't like it. Still, I'm glad that Mind is not the best T around there because Mind is the only one more boring than Flash. ^^
GOGO UPMAGIC! xD
I won't bother to comment on your analysis (because its pretty fucked up) . But to say that flash isn't as good at micro is just rediculous. Not only is such a thing very very difficult to judge, because they play a different race, it's highly variable as well. Both players have insane, top notch micro. That's all that can be said about that.
Flash lost the first game because of poor decesion making, it had nothing to do with poor micro.
In fact decesion making is the cause for loss or win in almost every S class game. Simply because both players are so perfect at micro/macro the small decesions matter, a LOT. Much more so than at lower level play.
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On March 01 2008 17:24 OneOther wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2008 12:08 Zherak wrote:On March 01 2008 10:40 ._. wrote:
Flash played perfect.
He has adapted, evolved, and leveled up so quickly, its amazing.
Compare his cheese wins from the past, and compare to his wins now.
I am stunned, hes a few years older than me but I cannot believe a guy like that can throw such punches at the big guys. He even mastered TvP on Katrina, a truly remarkable feat, really shows his adaptability.
Ladies and gentlemen, we may be looking at one of the future's finest pro-gamers to ever exist. What the fuck are you talking about? Game 1: Tries to cheese, fails. Game 2: Gets completely outplayed, wins because Bisu suicides half his army in the secondexpoattack. Game 3: Opens correctly versus a stupid proxy-robo and gains a huge advantage - including, yet not limited to, 2 free Dragoon kills, 1 free Reaver kill (...). Still manages to struggle against Bisu, even after he has Anytime-recalled 40 psi into mines. Game 4: Decently played by Flash, though extragavantly gay. Would have lost if Bisu has researched Psi Storm before dropping. Games 2 and 3 were essentially handed to him on a silver platter. He lost game 1. Game 4 was some good old Terran turtle. Adapted? No, he used the same safe-turtle build every game. Mastered TvP? Not at all. He plays a high-APM, macro-oriented turtle, and doesn't even do so especially well. While game 4 is open for discussion, none of the other were anywhere near perfect. They were Terran-with-the-upper-hand-macro. What the fuck are YOU talking about? Game2: Gets completely outplayed? What makes you think that Flash was outplayed. It was pretty close to even (maybe slight advantage to Bisu) until Bisu did that attack. It wasn't a bad attack imo, just micro mistake. Shuttles not dropping half the stuff, zealots running in too early, etc. It wasn't big enough of a mistake where Flash can automatically win. He outplayed Bisu from then point on, even after the bad formation and whatnot in that huge battle. Game3: I am actually impressed Flash managed to come back after his HUGE fuck-up on his first push. I think this game just shows how much better Flash played. It's true he had the advantage up to that point, but he was fighting an even or maybe uphill battle after that Game4: Lol bunch of bullshit. You should probably get out of Bisu's pants before you make comments about this game. HIGH TEMPLARS>FLASH?!?! Game 2 and Game 3 certainly weren't handed to Flash on a silver platter. He played better than Bisu. He worked for it. Again, you are wrong. Flash is very versatile when he comes to TvP. He cheeses, two facts, macro turtles, and etc. Seems like the his concept vs Bisu was the macro style. Probably made that decision after realizing Bisu goes arbiters more often than carriers (thought he should have went carriers on blue storm). Arbiters don't put as much of a timing pressure on the Terran as carriers do, so Flash was in no hurry. Get vessels, EMP, 3-3 ups, 12 facts, since you don't have to worry about those carriers.
I am afraid you and your fellow game analysists need to actually play PvT before you think you have a clue. It takes more than looking at the screen, seeing blue goo and many tank to know what is going on. If you think Game 3 is a comeback by Flash, that just illustrates how badly you know PvT - 3-3 3-base Terran doesn't comeback, it just rears its ugly head again and again.
Besides, the point was not whether Bisu had the upper hand or not - the point was merely that Flash did not play perfect, or for that matter even exceptional. It just looks impressive when idiots like you observing the game completely forgets that everything you do will be succesful when playing with the upper hand.
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On March 01 2008 22:47 Zherak wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2008 17:24 OneOther wrote:On March 01 2008 12:08 Zherak wrote:On March 01 2008 10:40 ._. wrote:
Flash played perfect.
He has adapted, evolved, and leveled up so quickly, its amazing.
Compare his cheese wins from the past, and compare to his wins now.
I am stunned, hes a few years older than me but I cannot believe a guy like that can throw such punches at the big guys. He even mastered TvP on Katrina, a truly remarkable feat, really shows his adaptability.
Ladies and gentlemen, we may be looking at one of the future's finest pro-gamers to ever exist. What the fuck are you talking about? Game 1: Tries to cheese, fails. Game 2: Gets completely outplayed, wins because Bisu suicides half his army in the secondexpoattack. Game 3: Opens correctly versus a stupid proxy-robo and gains a huge advantage - including, yet not limited to, 2 free Dragoon kills, 1 free Reaver kill (...). Still manages to struggle against Bisu, even after he has Anytime-recalled 40 psi into mines. Game 4: Decently played by Flash, though extragavantly gay. Would have lost if Bisu has researched Psi Storm before dropping. Games 2 and 3 were essentially handed to him on a silver platter. He lost game 1. Game 4 was some good old Terran turtle. Adapted? No, he used the same safe-turtle build every game. Mastered TvP? Not at all. He plays a high-APM, macro-oriented turtle, and doesn't even do so especially well. While game 4 is open for discussion, none of the other were anywhere near perfect. They were Terran-with-the-upper-hand-macro. What the fuck are YOU talking about? Game2: Gets completely outplayed? What makes you think that Flash was outplayed. It was pretty close to even (maybe slight advantage to Bisu) until Bisu did that attack. It wasn't a bad attack imo, just micro mistake. Shuttles not dropping half the stuff, zealots running in too early, etc. It wasn't big enough of a mistake where Flash can automatically win. He outplayed Bisu from then point on, even after the bad formation and whatnot in that huge battle. Game3: I am actually impressed Flash managed to come back after his HUGE fuck-up on his first push. I think this game just shows how much better Flash played. It's true he had the advantage up to that point, but he was fighting an even or maybe uphill battle after that Game4: Lol bunch of bullshit. You should probably get out of Bisu's pants before you make comments about this game. HIGH TEMPLARS>FLASH?!?! Game 2 and Game 3 certainly weren't handed to Flash on a silver platter. He played better than Bisu. He worked for it. Again, you are wrong. Flash is very versatile when he comes to TvP. He cheeses, two facts, macro turtles, and etc. Seems like the his concept vs Bisu was the macro style. Probably made that decision after realizing Bisu goes arbiters more often than carriers (thought he should have went carriers on blue storm). Arbiters don't put as much of a timing pressure on the Terran as carriers do, so Flash was in no hurry. Get vessels, EMP, 3-3 ups, 12 facts, since you don't have to worry about those carriers. I am afraid you and your fellow game analysists need to actually play PvT before you think you have a clue. It takes more than looking at the screen, seeing blue goo and many tank to know what is going on. If you think Game 3 is a comeback by Flash, that just illustrates how badly you know PvT - 3-3 3-base Terran doesn't comeback, it just rears its ugly head again and again. Besides, the point was not whether Bisu had the upper hand or not - the point was merely that Flash did not play perfect, or for that matter even exceptional. It just looks impressive when idiots like you observing the game completely forgets that everything you do will be succesful when playing with the upper hand.
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Hahaha, so there we are...imba terran strikes again! Despite Flash playing like utter shit, he dominated Bisu just by pure terran imbalace and Bisu's mistakes. You know, Zherak, maybe you shlould spend your time doing something more useful than debating about such imba game like SC...
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On March 01 2008 22:47 Zherak wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2008 17:24 OneOther wrote:On March 01 2008 12:08 Zherak wrote:On March 01 2008 10:40 ._. wrote:
Flash played perfect.
He has adapted, evolved, and leveled up so quickly, its amazing.
Compare his cheese wins from the past, and compare to his wins now.
I am stunned, hes a few years older than me but I cannot believe a guy like that can throw such punches at the big guys. He even mastered TvP on Katrina, a truly remarkable feat, really shows his adaptability.
Ladies and gentlemen, we may be looking at one of the future's finest pro-gamers to ever exist. What the fuck are you talking about? Game 1: Tries to cheese, fails. Game 2: Gets completely outplayed, wins because Bisu suicides half his army in the secondexpoattack. Game 3: Opens correctly versus a stupid proxy-robo and gains a huge advantage - including, yet not limited to, 2 free Dragoon kills, 1 free Reaver kill (...). Still manages to struggle against Bisu, even after he has Anytime-recalled 40 psi into mines. Game 4: Decently played by Flash, though extragavantly gay. Would have lost if Bisu has researched Psi Storm before dropping. Games 2 and 3 were essentially handed to him on a silver platter. He lost game 1. Game 4 was some good old Terran turtle. Adapted? No, he used the same safe-turtle build every game. Mastered TvP? Not at all. He plays a high-APM, macro-oriented turtle, and doesn't even do so especially well. While game 4 is open for discussion, none of the other were anywhere near perfect. They were Terran-with-the-upper-hand-macro. What the fuck are YOU talking about? Game2: Gets completely outplayed? What makes you think that Flash was outplayed. It was pretty close to even (maybe slight advantage to Bisu) until Bisu did that attack. It wasn't a bad attack imo, just micro mistake. Shuttles not dropping half the stuff, zealots running in too early, etc. It wasn't big enough of a mistake where Flash can automatically win. He outplayed Bisu from then point on, even after the bad formation and whatnot in that huge battle. Game3: I am actually impressed Flash managed to come back after his HUGE fuck-up on his first push. I think this game just shows how much better Flash played. It's true he had the advantage up to that point, but he was fighting an even or maybe uphill battle after that Game4: Lol bunch of bullshit. You should probably get out of Bisu's pants before you make comments about this game. HIGH TEMPLARS>FLASH?!?! Game 2 and Game 3 certainly weren't handed to Flash on a silver platter. He played better than Bisu. He worked for it. Again, you are wrong. Flash is very versatile when he comes to TvP. He cheeses, two facts, macro turtles, and etc. Seems like the his concept vs Bisu was the macro style. Probably made that decision after realizing Bisu goes arbiters more often than carriers (thought he should have went carriers on blue storm). Arbiters don't put as much of a timing pressure on the Terran as carriers do, so Flash was in no hurry. Get vessels, EMP, 3-3 ups, 12 facts, since you don't have to worry about those carriers. I am afraid you and your fellow game analysists need to actually play PvT before you think you have a clue. It takes more than looking at the screen, seeing blue goo and many tank to know what is going on. If you think Game 3 is a comeback by Flash, that just illustrates how badly you know PvT - 3-3 3-base Terran doesn't comeback, it just rears its ugly head again and again. Besides, the point was not whether Bisu had the upper hand or not - the point was merely that Flash did not play perfect, or for that matter even exceptional. It just looks impressive when idiots like you observing the game completely forgets that everything you do will be succesful when playing with the upper hand.
lol how good are you at this game buddy? I have this feeling you are shit-awful at this game. Look at yourself before you comment on other people's PvT. Oh yeah, Bisu would have won if he high templars in game 4!! You think Bisu "OUTPLAYED" Flash prior to the attack in game 2. You think game 3 was a free-bee but flash still struggled.
..you are plain fucking retarded
ban this troll
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Well maybe perfection was an exaggeration, but Flash clearly was a step ahead when it came down to strategy. Sure, he made a few positional blunders and a failed cheese, but other than that, his macro was strong, timing was impeccable, and he multi-tasked incredibly well between ball of death pushing and vult harass. That game on Katrina was amazing, he took the belief where long distance between expoes favored protoss and completely crapped all over it. Extending, harassing, and forcing bisu to constantly use arbs to waste recalls for defensive purposes, while cost-effectively reinforcing his army wave after wave.
His emp's were sharp, makes you wonder if a dark archon could have helped.
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Lol what a camper... like 100 towers :D and doing nothing till 2-2 (3-3) upgrades-_-.
but gg's.
Dissapointed cuz Bisu lost 
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If I am not mistaken . . .
With respect to the first game, I do believe there is a comment (somewhere on the internet) where Flash states its pretty much impossible for a Terran to beat a Protoss on Troy, which is why he went for the cheese strategy. Even then, he only lost because he decided to overextend himself, going after Bisu's main instead of simply securing the choke point, and possibly destroying the two geysers.
For those of you saying Flash got lucky, or outmicroed, or any other excuses, ask yourself this . . . did Flash get lucky vs Jae Dong? Twice? What about vs Stork? Didn't Jae Dong beat Stork?
Once Flash's build gets properly analyzed, he will have to adjust or die like Bisu. Until then, don't hate on Flash because he was genius enough to own Protoss on maps that are generally considered to be Protoss favored. That is saying something.
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On March 02 2008 08:33 FeArTeHsCoUrGe wrote:
If I am not mistaken . . .
With respect to the first game, I do believe there is a comment (somewhere on the internet) where Flash states its pretty much impossible for a Terran to beat a Protoss on Troy, which is why he went for the cheese strategy. Even then, he only lost because he decided to overextend himself, going after Bisu's main instead of simply securing the choke point, and possibly destroying the two geysers.
For those of you saying Flash got lucky, or outmicroed, or any other excuses, ask yourself this . . . did Flash get lucky vs Jae Dong? Twice? What about vs Stork? Didn't Jae Dong beat Stork?
Once Flash's build gets properly analyzed, he will have to adjust or die like Bisu. Until then, don't hate on Flash because he was genius enough to own Protoss on maps that are generally considered to be Protoss favored. That is saying something.
Exactly. Every build gets countered eventually, so everyone claiming that terran 3-3 gay imba etc. will always win even over more skilled opponents, and that Flash's new build is only reinforcing this, will be shocked no doubt when a few months down the road a Protoss player smashes Flash into the dust.
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On March 01 2008 22:47 Zherak wrote:
I am afraid you and your fellow game analysists need to actually play PvT before you think you have a clue. It takes more than looking at the screen, seeing blue goo and many tank to know what is going on. If you think Game 3 is a comeback by Flash, that just illustrates how badly you know PvT - 3-3 3-base Terran doesn't comeback, it just rears its ugly head again and again.
Besides, the point was not whether Bisu had the upper hand or not - the point was merely that Flash did not play perfect, or for that matter even exceptional. It just looks impressive when idiots like you observing the game completely forgets that everything you do will be succesful when playing with the upper hand.
Nominee for most ignorant post of the year.
Flash did not play perfect? By whose standard? Flash has beaten the two top Protoss players consistently on Protoss favored maps.
How is that not impressive? Playing with the upper hand? Well, looking at the statistics of most other Terran's on these maps, why were they consistently getting owned despite playing with the upper hand?
Because they weren't.
Flash created the "upper hand" with the use of a ingenious strategy that counters the common Protoss builds of the day. Like Nada, and Oov, Savior, and even Bisu, he is proof of the constant evolving of strategy created by top players, and its innovators like him who force the Starcraft scene into the dynamic struggle of strategies and counter-strategies that has existed since the reign of Nada.
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I cant believe people are calling what flash is doing boring, this stuff is nothing new, OOV started this shit. Only difference is Flash uses gols now and rapes carriers. BTW anyone know how exactly he was able to kill all the interceptors that easily? I Used hold position and it didnt work very well
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On March 02 2008 08:33 FeArTeHsCoUrGe wrote:
did Flash get lucky vs Jae Dong?
Yeah, he did. when all of gsi's games consist of cheese and he wins 2-1 i call it luck. cheese heavily depends on luck.
Last game of OSL on Katrina for example. What did Flash do to win him the game?
wallin
expand
go mech
turtle
upgrade
move out
setup army
watch jaedong suicide his army in yours
attack-move
win
He did nothing exceptional. he didn't vulture harass like in the previous game in msl on katrina or anything like that, just turtle + move out and jaedong handed him the win.
if he goes for a sunkenbreak, it's more jaedong's fault for not making enough defense, so flash was in a way lucky again. jaedong seems to have learned from it judging from his match vs mind, though he barely defended it.
and over the 3 tournaments their record is 3-1 1-2 and 1-2 so they're tied 5-5.
sure flash is good, but a lot of wins seem to be attributed to failures of his opponents. (i haven't seen his games vs bisu/stork yet, but i read a lot of people saying bisu made some big mistakes)
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On March 02 2008 09:22 Agahnim wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2008 08:33 FeArTeHsCoUrGe wrote:
did Flash get lucky vs Jae Dong?
Yeah, he did. when all of gsi's games consist of cheese and he wins 2-1 i call it luck. cheese heavily depends on luck. Last game of OSL on Katrina for example. What did Flash do to win him the game? wallin expand go mech turtle upgrade move out setup army watch jaedong suicide his army in yours attack-move win He did nothing exceptional. he didn't vulture harass like in the previous game in msl on katrina or anything like that, just turtle + move out and jaedong handed him the win. if he goes for a sunkenbreak, it's more jaedong's fault for not making enough defense, so flash was in a way lucky again. jaedong seems to have learned from it judging from his match vs mind, though he barely defended it. and over the 3 tournaments their record is 3-1 1-2 and 1-2 so they're tied 5-5. sure flash is good, but a lot of wins seem to be attributed to failures of his opponents. (i haven't seen his games vs bisu/stork yet, but i read a lot of people saying bisu made some big mistakes)
thats a really shitty way to look at it,
He had to manage his game very well, and its not like a person just suicides there shit for no reason, there are parts to the game that have made jaedong believe that he could take him or that he had to make his move, flashs play probably made him feel uncomfortable, which is a credit to flash.
In order for someone to lose they have to make a mistake, in games jaedong beats people they make mistakes too.
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There's a difference between making mistakes and plainly playing better. And then there's normal mistakes and forced mistakes(aka outplaying your opponent ). And from what I have seen and read, Flash has been lucky with the mistakes from his opponents which weren't forced by him. Which is my answer to the part I quoted in the post before.
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Thats bullshit, he outplayed jaedong and stork as well as bisu, he managed the game better than they did. You can tell he put pressure on jaedong, why do you think he tried that stupid sunken rush ?
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I agree that flash plays extremely defensive... if he dont go for cheese he wait until the first attack of his opponent , kill it off and go for a push, simple and perfect strat... and really what can the poor toss do against 200/200 +3/+3 terran metal army...but its his opponents problem to solve... flash found a way to dominate the sc world we will se if his style will last for long... the mainpoint of flash' play is not to make mistakes and to build his base the best defensive way imaginable - just take a look on the first game vs jaedong on katrina- flash had like ton of turrets in his base making the mutaharass impossible...against bisu he made again a ton of turrets to prevent recalls, but he placed mines all over the place... he doesnt give his opponents a chance, he just defend until everything is +3/+3 and push slowly but deadly... man, take a look at game 3 vs jaedong on baekmagodji (i have problems with that name too) flash went for a kill when he was 1000000% sure he will win...i dont like this type of style but who can blame him for being so safeplaying, i will say it again - flash doest make risky things
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On March 01 2008 22:47 Zherak wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2008 17:24 OneOther wrote:On March 01 2008 12:08 Zherak wrote:On March 01 2008 10:40 ._. wrote:
Flash played perfect.
He has adapted, evolved, and leveled up so quickly, its amazing.
Compare his cheese wins from the past, and compare to his wins now.
I am stunned, hes a few years older than me but I cannot believe a guy like that can throw such punches at the big guys. He even mastered TvP on Katrina, a truly remarkable feat, really shows his adaptability.
Ladies and gentlemen, we may be looking at one of the future's finest pro-gamers to ever exist. What the fuck are you talking about? Game 1: Tries to cheese, fails. Game 2: Gets completely outplayed, wins because Bisu suicides half his army in the secondexpoattack. Game 3: Opens correctly versus a stupid proxy-robo and gains a huge advantage - including, yet not limited to, 2 free Dragoon kills, 1 free Reaver kill (...). Still manages to struggle against Bisu, even after he has Anytime-recalled 40 psi into mines. Game 4: Decently played by Flash, though extragavantly gay. Would have lost if Bisu has researched Psi Storm before dropping. Games 2 and 3 were essentially handed to him on a silver platter. He lost game 1. Game 4 was some good old Terran turtle. Adapted? No, he used the same safe-turtle build every game. Mastered TvP? Not at all. He plays a high-APM, macro-oriented turtle, and doesn't even do so especially well. While game 4 is open for discussion, none of the other were anywhere near perfect. They were Terran-with-the-upper-hand-macro. What the fuck are YOU talking about? Game2: Gets completely outplayed? What makes you think that Flash was outplayed. It was pretty close to even (maybe slight advantage to Bisu) until Bisu did that attack. It wasn't a bad attack imo, just micro mistake. Shuttles not dropping half the stuff, zealots running in too early, etc. It wasn't big enough of a mistake where Flash can automatically win. He outplayed Bisu from then point on, even after the bad formation and whatnot in that huge battle. Game3: I am actually impressed Flash managed to come back after his HUGE fuck-up on his first push. I think this game just shows how much better Flash played. It's true he had the advantage up to that point, but he was fighting an even or maybe uphill battle after that Game4: Lol bunch of bullshit. You should probably get out of Bisu's pants before you make comments about this game. HIGH TEMPLARS>FLASH?!?! Game 2 and Game 3 certainly weren't handed to Flash on a silver platter. He played better than Bisu. He worked for it. Again, you are wrong. Flash is very versatile when he comes to TvP. He cheeses, two facts, macro turtles, and etc. Seems like the his concept vs Bisu was the macro style. Probably made that decision after realizing Bisu goes arbiters more often than carriers (thought he should have went carriers on blue storm). Arbiters don't put as much of a timing pressure on the Terran as carriers do, so Flash was in no hurry. Get vessels, EMP, 3-3 ups, 12 facts, since you don't have to worry about those carriers. I am afraid you and your fellow game analysists need to actually play PvT before you think you have a clue. It takes more than looking at the screen, seeing blue goo and many tank to know what is going on. If you think Game 3 is a comeback by Flash, that just illustrates how badly you know PvT - 3-3 3-base Terran doesn't comeback, it just rears its ugly head again and again. Besides, the point was not whether Bisu had the upper hand or not - the point was merely that Flash did not play perfect, or for that matter even exceptional. It just looks impressive when idiots like you observing the game completely forgets that everything you do will be succesful when playing with the upper hand.
BO 7 PvT , TvP showmatch ? Post reps ? Lets "actually play PvT". Look forward to raping you
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