EPTDeath, taxes, and Snow dying to hydra busts
Snow is just not good at PvZ, he had one season where his PvZ looked way better, now he's back to being his usual self
Give me Best's PvZ any day
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ruhtraeel
Canada137 Posts
Death, taxes, and Snow dying to hydra busts Snow is just not good at PvZ, he had one season where his PvZ looked way better, now he's back to being his usual self Give me Best's PvZ any day | ||
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Nirli
Bulgaria387 Posts
I'll say this - saying that SK won purely due to hydra busts is an extreme oversimplification of his play. In fact, his play is so nuanced that I think P needs Bisu-vs-Savior levels of imagination and execution to turn things around. | ||
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WGT-Baal
France3570 Posts
On October 21 2024 20:47 Rainalcar wrote: The maps were a complete blah. No courage from mapmakers, pushback from pros who only want to play the same things over and over again. We lose, and BW scene in general too. What are you talking about? most pros hate the map pool. Monty hall was garbage over a decade ago and it is still garbage today, possibly even moreso. how can you let a map so broken in a competition? It s not even fun broken, it s just stupid. Or if you are going to do it, then at least provide another broken map that is the opposite, stat wise, so that it is somewhat fair. Like an island map. The BW scene loses having those garbage maps shoved down our throat and the ladder when they are utterly broken. Be different sure, but at least there must be some basic checks. Alternatively, provide 9 maps total, with more creative ones, so players can each ban 1 which would somewhat do part of the balancing for you, those maps broken in a specific match up would be banned and we d get the playable ones. Now for kick back and dominator I agree those are lazy remakes of old maps. I d rather have more new stuff like Minstrel, for all its faults. | ||
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Kraekkling
767 Posts
On October 22 2024 22:20 WGT-Baal wrote: Now for kick back and dominator I agree those are lazy remakes of old maps. I d rather have more new stuff like Minstrel, for all its faults. Which map was remade into kick back? | ||
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TMNT
3391 Posts
On October 22 2024 21:56 Nirli wrote: I'll say this - saying that SK won purely due to hydra busts is an extreme oversimplification of his play. In fact, his play is so nuanced that I think P needs Bisu-vs-Savior levels of imagination and execution to turn things around. No one said it's "purely" though. On the other hand there's also overreaction to the stuff he does. Jaeyun put it best: he just presses all the right buttons to utilise to the fullest the imbalances of the matchup. He's like a Shine when he decides to go for cheese builds, except that Shine can't play macro and people know what to expect when they play him so it becomes less dangerous. While Soulkey can play a standard macro game and be at least 50/50 against the best Protosses. And they don't know when he'll play macro or when he'll do a Shine. Throw that into a BoX series he becomes extremely dangerous. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States14003 Posts
On October 22 2024 22:20 WGT-Baal wrote: What are you talking about? most pros hate the map pool. Monty hall was garbage over a decade ago and it is still garbage today, possibly even moreso. how can you let a map so broken in a competition? It s not even fun broken, it s just stupid. Or if you are going to do it, then at least provide another broken map that is the opposite, stat wise, so that it is somewhat fair. Like an island map. The BW scene loses having those garbage maps shoved down our throat and the ladder when they are utterly broken. Be different sure, but at least there must be some basic checks. Alternatively, provide 9 maps total, with more creative ones, so players can each ban 1 which would somewhat do part of the balancing for you, those maps broken in a specific match up would be banned and we d get the playable ones. Now for kick back and dominator I agree those are lazy remakes of old maps. I d rather have more new stuff like Minstrel, for all its faults. Calling Dominator a lazy remake is weird when it significantly improved a map making it one of the better ones this pool. | ||
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sophisticated
61 Posts
He still lost then, but it makes it clear that today's result had nothing to do with race imbalance and that Snow can bring his A game to offline matches, but just did not do so today. Which is really a shame, it makes Soulkey look not as good too. | ||
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goody153
44311 Posts
Also people saying that zerg is imbalanced. Dont pay attention enough to Snow vs Soulkey head to head. Like Soulkey literally won majority of it. Regardless which esports you are playing if your head to head with another team/player is bad you are most likely gonna lose to the next ones and the results are surprising. Either some players are just better than you and/or you are cognitively biased against that player cause of the lose streak ( this is a real thing) | ||
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prion_
82 Posts
On October 22 2024 11:08 RowdierBob wrote: Crazy that SK is now 8-1 against Light and Snow in the bracket phase. Made two S class guys look like practice partners. 8-2, he lost two games to Light. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13536 Posts
On October 22 2024 12:23 ruhtraeel wrote: Ever since that season where ggaemo knocked him out... Death, taxes, and Snow dying to hydra busts Snow is just not good at PvZ, he had one season where his PvZ looked way better, now he's back to being his usual self Give me Best's PvZ any day Are there and good PvZ players atm though? Like the sort that could actually win one of these bo7s vs the elite zergs like Hero, Soma or Soulkey? I wouldn’t back any P based on current form. | ||
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spianw
United States2 Posts
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spianw
United States2 Posts
On October 23 2024 21:46 RowdierBob wrote: Are there and good PvZ players atm though? Like the sort that could actually win one of these bo7s vs the elite zergs like Hero, Soma or Soulkey? I wouldn’t back any P based on current form. does mini not deserve at least a 50:50 | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
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Cricketer12
United States14003 Posts
Fun fact, he's currently on an 8-0 streak vs Snow in S(A)SL, as the last match they played was last season's Ro4 where Snow lost 4 on the trot. | ||
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mtcn77
Turkey729 Posts
On October 22 2024 00:12 RogerChillingworth wrote: xD A for effort. I have personally never rlly felt the hype for SnOw. Regardless of his obvious strengths with reavers, he always seemed like a fairly predictable player with huge holes in his play. I don't think any P could have really shown much tonight, other than Mini on a good day. Don't discount Bisu. Seriously though, what are the percentages in cross spawn? Snow needs nerves of steel to win starting from 2 games with cross spawn locations. | ||
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NoS-Craig
Australia3173 Posts
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Dante08
Singapore4201 Posts
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Simplistik
2173 Posts
On October 24 2024 23:43 Dante08 wrote: Think only Mini and Bisu (if he's on form) can stand a chance against Soulkey. Mini actually did very against him 2 seasons ago, the score was 4-1 but most of the games were really close. Also, Mini almost knocked out SK in the ASL17 quarters. He was two games up and in a winning position, but he blew it. Still, everyone can be beaten. | ||
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TMNT
3391 Posts
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Darksoldierr
Hungary2014 Posts
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