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HOLYBATS
Turkey851 Posts
On October 21 2024 20:54 Rainalcar wrote: Exactly this. It's impossible to dominate PvZ no matter who you are. They should change the meta.It is obvious sairs don't make enough damage vs hydra. | ||
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Soft_General_5023
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TMNT
3393 Posts
On October 21 2024 20:42 Souden wrote: Poor Snow  he just can't do well in offline tournaments.. Must have been really nervous, his control was way off.It's not a problem with offline. He lost a couple of 9 game online series vs Soulkey 2-7 or 1-8 a few months ago. And it wasn't pretty either, he was like 0-5 or 0-6 down before Soulkey gave him a few consolation wins. The problem is further compounded in an offline series though. Each player takes turn to pick maps, so it's like game point or break point in tennis. The moment you loses a break point you know you're in trouble. It leads to absurd decisions in your next games. See Rush's BBS on Terran's favourite map Pantheon against Rain for example. At least Snow tried the weird ass build on Monty Hall where statistically P has a 20-25% chance to win. | ||
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foxmeep
Australia2338 Posts
On October 21 2024 20:57 Peeano wrote: First match this season I could make time for to watch live. I'll still be a Snow fan, but next time I'll skip a Snow PvZ series. Does Sharp even have any good buddies to practice TvZ with? Same for Rain PvZ? Seems like another gold for Soulkey. His PvZ just isn't anywhere near his other matchups, and not just because it's PvZ. If Sharp can beat hero, then he's in with a shot vs Soulkey IMO. Although SK will certainly have taken some notes from that series. Either way we get ZvP/T which is a win in my books. | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES51702 Posts
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium7209 Posts
On October 21 2024 21:12 BLinD-RawR wrote: I'm convinced a drunk protoss roundtable mokbang stream is coming where they bitch about zerg. Meanwhile Flash just plugged his ps2 keyboard to destroy everyone :D ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/KMRM0Jo.png) | ||
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cheesehuehue
Vatican City State90 Posts
1. First of all, it's only Soulkey "dominating" the matchup. If the matchup were truly imbalance, the other Zergs would be "dominating", too. 2. I lied. Actually, Soulkey is not dominating the matchup. Before today's match, Snow had a 67% win rate (8W/4L) against Soulkey since August 1st. And btw, Snow's win rate against Hero is 69% (9W/4L), 83% (5W/1L) against action, 48% against Jaedong (15W/16L), and 62.5% against Queen (5W/3L). 3. Snow just doesn't perform well offline. This has been known for a long time, why are people ignoring it? | ||
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foxmeep
Australia2338 Posts
On October 21 2024 20:54 Rainalcar wrote: Exactly this. It's impossible to dominate PvZ no matter who you are. I will just add that P gambles are actually DEFENSIVE - it's just to stay alive and gain some advantage. P virtually has no offensive gambles v Z - how often do you see 2 gate or proxy cannons giving easy wins? 2 gate is almost an auto loss these days, proxy cannon is super situational. On the other hand, Z can move super easily from pressure that easily wins games to a normal mid game sooo often. And Protoss can do whatever the fk they want vs Terran, who just have to try survive. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13536 Posts
Snow is solid as fuck as a player but he’s kinda bland and predictable too. SK might as well be playing with map hack. He knows what Snow is up to at every point of the game. Game one was the most frustrating. He got so much info with the zeals and still couldn’t prepare adequately for the hydra bust. Didn’t seem to matter though, SK just a better player than Snow (and frankly everyone else atm). SK is nearing that rarefied Bonjwa air where he’s so good he makes the game look imbalanced. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13536 Posts
He’s so good at PvT and PvP where he can abuse his godly reaver micro but PvZ is such a weakness for him. Hero would’ve taken him down pretty handily tonight too imo. He just can’t make that leap to championship level. It’s pretty funny that for all his goofing off in recent ASL seasons that Rain is still prob the best Protoss player all these seasons later since he noped out of BW after light crushed him in asl13. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States14003 Posts
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redknights
206 Posts
SK also won 4-0 vs his semi-final opponent that tournament Sharp won 4-3 in the other semi-final after almost getting reverse swept by Rain | ||
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TornadoSteve
1143 Posts
This. | ||
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barcodejester
53 Posts
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Terrorbladder
2755 Posts
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4298 Posts
well, that was tough to watch.. Soulkey's current form + this matchup meta overall made this series beyond disgusting, damn. | ||
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RogerChillingworth
Chad3132 Posts
On October 21 2024 19:54 BLinD-RawR wrote: I want snow to apologize to simplistik and me for the hours of work we put in for him. xD A for effort. I have personally never rlly felt the hype for SnOw. Regardless of his obvious strengths with reavers, he always seemed like a fairly predictable player with huge holes in his play. I don't think any P could have really shown much tonight, other than Mini on a good day. | ||
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Ideas
United States8182 Posts
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Cricketer12
United States14003 Posts
On October 22 2024 00:47 Ideas wrote: Soulkey 3-peat seems so inevitable. Flash-level dominance over pretty much every opponent over the last 2 tournaments. Sharp's win last week all but cemented the 3peat. Imagine the hype of a Finals between Flash and SK next SSL... | ||
FlaShFTW
United States10579 Posts
On October 21 2024 21:19 cheesehuehue wrote: People complaining about ZvP imbalance are delusional. 1. First of all, it's only Soulkey "dominating" the matchup. If the matchup were truly imbalance, the other Zergs would be "dominating", too. 2. I lied. Actually, Soulkey is not dominating the matchup. Before today's match, Snow had a 67% win rate (8W/4L) against Soulkey since August 1st. And btw, Snow's win rate against Hero is 69% (9W/4L), 83% (5W/1L) against action, 48% against Jaedong (15W/16L), and 62.5% against Queen (5W/3L). 3. Snow just doesn't perform well offline. This has been known for a long time, why are people ignoring it? Snow is 1-5 lifetime against Zergs in the bracket stage, typically only managing to beat lower tier Zergs. His PvZ is indeed just not very good, but you can't tell me looking at this performance that the matchup is remotely balanced at the pro level lol. Snow is fine offline. He's made back to back semifinals. I didn't know making semifinals in the top tournament in the world 2 years in a row, losing in your worst matchup both times against the best player in the world made you a choker. Who's the delusional one right now? | ||
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