EPTOn October 27 2020 20:11 oxKnu wrote:
Which series was more depressing: this or Snow vs Soma?
Which series was more depressing: this or Snow vs Soma?
I don't know man. Pretty tough call damn.
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NoS-Craig
Australia3173 Posts
I don't know man. Pretty tough call damn. | ||
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
Bests play just looked totally uninspired and bad. | ||
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HaFnium
United Kingdom1081 Posts
On October 27 2020 20:20 NoS-Craig wrote: I don't know man. Pretty tough call damn. I think Best vs Zero is more depressing.. | ||
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whaski
Finland577 Posts
On October 27 2020 20:11 oxKnu wrote: Which series was more depressing: this or Snow vs Soma? Soma vs Snow because this is expected result given Best is THE chocker. | ||
TaardadAiel
Bulgaria750 Posts
On October 27 2020 20:18 Garrl wrote:  every time a protoss player loses in pvz. Queen is the #1 z, the maps suck for protoss, and best isn't anywhere near Queen's level.He even might be closer to his level on an average day... but today was bad. That being said, G1 wasn't as awful as we portray it. It was a well-defended cannon rush (well there's a reason nobody except bisu does those though) and it went downhill from there. The 2-stargate bait was actually a good idea that Zero either sniffed out or just didn't catch the bait, assuming he's ahead anyway. Two stargates producing a grand total of 1 sair looked pathetic, but it was a product of a high-level play. We shouldn't judge just based on the end product. The shuttle flying into 20 hydras was ugly af, though. In G2 I was screaming IS THIS GOON/REAVER but I suppose the timings don't work out; I'm not familiar with the build anyway. Would've liked another cannon or two at the egg line, though. G3 was standard ZvP where Z manages to kill a bunch of HTs through smart tactics. Underwhelming anyway. I was expecting something far closer, not necessarily the result, but rather the games. | ||
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Terrorbladder
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Kaal
Djibouti2585 Posts
On October 27 2020 20:27 Terrorbladder wrote: Why don't Protoss just build Reavers Cuz then you die to mutas. Edit: To expand, you have to go HT, because if you don't have storm you will get shitstomped by zerg pressing SH. If you try to just go reavers, zerg can freely just build muta or scourge to just scourge down your shuttle and then your reaver is going to do jack all. You can't go sair/HT/Reaver you just dont have the gas. Hopefully 973 gets nerfed in the next map pool, I have faith in Gyuyul to fix it. He did try with this pool but it was just not the way. There IS an up and coming 6 gate with an 8 gate variant that does well but it's SO tight and SO micro intenstive, and Zerg is so flexible in 973 that it might not end up working, we'll see. | ||
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asel
Germany1605 Posts
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oEkY
Germany649 Posts
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RowdierBob
Australia13537 Posts
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nojok
France15846 Posts
Add fillers asl please. | ||
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3z3ki3l
Germany51 Posts
Tuning in a bit late, complaining to myself that ASL does not add filler as I see only 1H30 youtube video, game 1 starting 25 minutes in, I smell the 3 0, start watching , utterly failed canon rush, the whole series being spoiled in like 2 minutes. Add fillers asl please. I use "Anticipation" in Chrome. Works perfectly, except for the first 1-2 seconds. | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19399 Posts
On October 27 2020 20:57 nojok wrote: Tuning in a bit late, complaining to myself that ASL does not add filler as I see only 1H30 youtube video, game 1 starting 25 minutes in, I smell the 3 0, start watching , utterly failed canon rush, the whole series being spoiled in like 2 minutes. Add fillers asl please. If you go to SC2links.com it hides the game length for you. It usually adds the vod within the same day. Regarding the games, obviously the Zergs who best protoss were better players, but these maps really sucked the fun out of a boX series. | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7700 Posts
I don't recommend this match. | ||
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nojok
France15846 Posts
On October 27 2020 21:10 BisuDagger wrote: If you go to SC2links.com it hides the game length for you. It usually adds the vod within the same day. Regarding the games, obviously the Zergs who best protoss were better players, but these maps really sucked the fun out of a boX series. Thank you, I always forget about it. | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
How about tweaking the maps? Slightly longer distance between main and expo? Mineral-only natural expo? 3rd and 4th expos semi-blocked by eggs? I suppose too many map tweaks may tip balance too far towards Protoss. But the overriding idea is to provide some 'timing windows' for Protoss to pressure Zergs. | ||
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Motivate
2860 Posts
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oxKnu
1268 Posts
On October 27 2020 21:34 Motivate wrote: Far out, protosses really need to practice more than just PvT... flash doesnt even play terran anymore Right, 23 years in what's lacking is more...practice. =)))) Zerg just has an incredible ceiling in this match-up. Zero was literally laughing out loud/smirking while playing the games today. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22703 Posts
On October 27 2020 20:35 Kaal wrote: I imagine observers and reavers both coming from the Robo is also an issue as Protoss seems to need a lot of Observers to deal with zerg sniping them.Cuz then you die to mutas. Edit: To expand, you have to go HT, because if you don't have storm you will get shitstomped by zerg pressing SH. If you try to just go reavers, zerg can freely just build muta or scourge to just scourge down your shuttle and then your reaver is going to do jack all. You can't go sair/HT/Reaver you just dont have the gas. Hopefully 973 gets nerfed in the next map pool, I have faith in Gyuyul to fix it. He did try with this pool but it was just not the way. There IS an up and coming 6 gate with an 8 gate variant that does well but it's SO tight and SO micro intenstive, and Zerg is so flexible in 973 that it might not end up working, we'll see. | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19399 Posts
On October 27 2020 21:27 RKC wrote: Balance aside, PvZ is just painful to watch. It's like a boxing match where one boxer is always on the ropes, taking punches after punches. The meta is stale and one-dimensional. How about tweaking the maps? Slightly longer distance between main and expo? Mineral-only natural expo? 3rd and 4th expos semi-blocked by eggs? I suppose too many map tweaks may tip balance too far towards Protoss. But the overriding idea is to provide some 'timing windows' for Protoss to pressure Zergs. A few changes I'd like to see: * Both the main and the natural on high ground * Areas controlled in the center on low ground * Third on high ground with a single ramp I just want maps that make the early to mid game defense manageable and a third that is obtainable. I don't care about PvT imbalances lol. | ||
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