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Arvendilin
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany1878 Posts
October 27 2020 10:50 GMT
#61
No Protoss in Ro4 would be kinda shit :/

Well I guess we'd have one 30% Protoss player, but Protoss currently is really lacking a tournament winning caliber player
My heroes: Jangbi, Bisu, Stork and BeSt for BW, Rain, Zest and Stats for SC2! Need a better Signature tbh...
NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7225 Posts
October 27 2020 10:50 GMT
#62
These games have been utterly depressing.
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Rainalcar
Profile Joined April 2010
Croatia382 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-27 10:51:43
October 27 2020 10:51 GMT
#63
On October 27 2020 19:46 Cush wrote:
We have yet to see a Plasma match get anywhere close to the late game. Usually has one player be greedy with a fast expo while the other rushes, and the person who rushes wins most of the time.


Agreed. Plasma produced relatively poor games (and I really like unusual maps). TvZ, Terran wins almost always and opens always the same (Vulture > Wraith). PvZ is a bit more dynamic, but not really great.
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Cush
Profile Joined September 2010
United States646 Posts
October 27 2020 10:51 GMT
#64
On October 27 2020 19:48 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2020 19:46 Cush wrote:
We have yet to see a Plasma match get anywhere close to the late game. Usually has one player be greedy with a fast expo while the other rushes, and the person who rushes wins most of the time.

KCM Race Wars and Ultimate Battle's Plasma games are worth watching. Almost always some interesting games and long macro ones, too.

I got to check those out then. Feel like there's too many quick 3-0's
"That's not your main base Stardust.....Stardust.....that's not your main" Sayle
JoinTheRain
Profile Blog Joined September 2018
Bulgaria409 Posts
October 27 2020 10:51 GMT
#65
Queen's playing properly, Best is sadly choking, nothing new so far.
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PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
October 27 2020 10:52 GMT
#66
best had 1k minerals 500 gas in the mid early game.. I meant what precisely is this? Is he throwing these games? Why is he building one cannon when he scouts the zerg composition? If he build 2 or 3 he is completely fine.

I mean if only one of these two games happened so far Id be okay but Im really really disturbed by what he is doing thus far. That 2 stargate build 1 corsair build after citadelt before gate was the weridest shit Ive ever seen a pro do.

That is legit completely unreal to me..
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Jaeyun
Profile Joined June 2017
United States202 Posts
October 27 2020 10:52 GMT
#67
On October 27 2020 19:37 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
the ONLY conclusion for 2 late stargate after citadel and then NOT building sairs i can up with is .. some kind of.. "precaution" vs mutalisks BUT I do not think u can even build them fast enough once u see mutas..


So Im a bit confused how Im the only one really scratching his head here.. other talking about contain.. bad cannon rush..

he built 2 stargates and didnt build corsairs.. This is honestly SO WEIRD and bad for a pro that I dont even know what to think and even .. collusion comes to mind at that point.

Can some1 explain to me what happened there. I _really_ dont get it.


Best was in a hole with the failed cannon rush. His build there wasn't bad but it was hard countered by Zero's spireless build.

The idea is you go fast citadel with 2gate speedlots, trigger muta switch, then punish with double SG sairs. It's a good move to pull out every now and then.

Once he saw hydras at Zero's nat he knew his build was countered. You can't make sairs against that so he had to ditch his second SG. I actually thought Best played all right given how bad of a spot he was in. He also lost a shuttle that is huge in the mid game.
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MaTRiX[SiN]
Profile Joined September 2003
Sweden1282 Posts
October 27 2020 10:54 GMT
#68
On October 27 2020 19:37 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
the ONLY conclusion for 2 late stargate after citadel and then NOT building sairs i can up with is .. some kind of.. "precaution" vs mutalisks BUT I do not think u can even build them fast enough once u see mutas..


So Im a bit confused how Im the only one really scratching his head here.. other talking about contain.. bad cannon rush..

he built 2 stargates and didnt build corsairs.. This is honestly SO WEIRD and bad for a pro that I dont even know what to think and even .. collusion comes to mind at that point.

Can some1 explain to me what happened there. I _really_ dont get it.


The point of the build is to bait zerg into going mutalisk by showing a gateway/citadel opener and then switch into mass corsairs. Here's a game vs soulkey where best uses this build and it works as intended


In todays game when he moves out with the zealots he sees that queen is going mass hydra rather than mutalisk so then he decides not to build corsairs.
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Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-27 10:55:25
October 27 2020 10:55 GMT
#69
lol misclick start by Queen. his drones were stuck for half a second

edit: handicapping himself for best....
Garrl
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Scotland1974 Posts
October 27 2020 10:55 GMT
#70
wasn't even scouting with the ovie?
PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
October 27 2020 10:55 GMT
#71
oh so this is really a viable build? I didnt even know that.. considering if u do net get the muta switch u burned 2 stargates in the early game..

wow then I take that back I guess.. looked super super strange to me
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weiliem
Profile Joined January 2008
2071 Posts
October 27 2020 10:57 GMT
#72
It's pretty sad when Bisu was eliminated through PvT but top 4 ended up with 3 zergs.... Same goes to Light though.....
Oppa feeding style
whaski
Profile Joined December 2012
Finland577 Posts
October 27 2020 11:00 GMT
#73
On October 27 2020 19:52 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
best had 1k minerals 500 gas in the mid early game.. I meant what precisely is this? Is he throwing these games? Why is he building one cannon when he scouts the zerg composition? If he build 2 or 3 he is completely fine.

I mean if only one of these two games happened so far Id be okay but Im really really disturbed by what he is doing thus far. That 2 stargate build 1 corsair build after citadelt before gate was the weridest shit Ive ever seen a pro do.

That is legit completely unreal to me..



Or maybe by looking this game its the case of two chockers being pit against each other :D
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Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4128 Posts
October 27 2020 11:08 GMT
#74
Where were Best’s hts?
iggyfisk
Profile Joined April 2008
Sweden212 Posts
October 27 2020 11:09 GMT
#75
I missed a few minutes here and there, did a single thing go right for Best today? Any time where he gained some kind of advantage? Like maybe he killed a drone with a zealot...?
weiliem
Profile Joined January 2008
2071 Posts
October 27 2020 11:09 GMT
#76
Games are bad.....
Oppa feeding style
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50465 Posts
October 27 2020 11:09 GMT
#77
Poll: Recommend Set 3?

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If you have time (3)
 
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Your vote: Recommend Set 3?

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Poaktree
Profile Joined January 2017
165 Posts
October 27 2020 11:09 GMT
#78
GG. Got to thank Queen. I was starving, finally I can eat some early lunch after that quick series.
NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7225 Posts
October 27 2020 11:09 GMT
#79
If you thought Soma v. Snow was a stomp, wait 'til you see these games :D
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Cush
Profile Joined September 2010
United States646 Posts
October 27 2020 11:10 GMT
#80
Seems like its really hard for toss to break the lurker contain assuming the zerg spreads out the lurkers. There's just not enough storms for the amount of hydra's and lurkers thrown at the toss defense. Is reaver play considered too dangerous due to shuttle snipes?
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