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Hi guys,
As I mentioned at the other thread Foreigners in ASL, I want to make a "Ultimate" tournament.
Long story short, I was fortunate enought to made some money playing poker, then bitcoins and now Tesla shares. I was thinking about that for a really long time. It is like a dream to me. Since WCG times, I was always dreaming to host a tour like that. Some people have dreams buying a Lambo, others buyng a house with pool, mine is hosting a BW tournament. I know, I am an idiot 
Since a do not have any expirience with that and I do not know nobody at the BW scene, i am looking for help from you guys. If someone thinks it can help me, please contact me to see if it is even possible to do something like that.
Here is what i think of (Feel free to add if something is stupid and have to be changed or any other ideas are more than welcome). For a rough calculations I see that ASL prize pool is around $45 000. I am willing to make it $100 000 + another up to $50 000 for any other expenses which may occure (blizzard fee, hotels, fights, arena rent, food, staff, some money for the "helpers", etc. So the total budget will be no more than $150 000. If someone is willing to volunteer, I'll very much appreciate it. Keep in mind, I am not a millionaire . I mean, I might be, but only on paper. I don't own a ferrari, I don't wear Gucci and I dont have cash bricks in my pockets. I am just a normal guy with a passion for BW since 1998 :D
I have no interest to do like 10 small foreigner tournaments, simply because I am not a fan of that. I like KSL/ASL. BUT for sure i would love to have some foreigners to participate. I am thinking to be like ASL, where tier 4/5 will be replaced with foreigners. Foreigners will be invitation only. I know their chances to cash in are slim to none, but i will pay flight tickets, hotels, food, big party, everything. So it will be nice trip, nice experience + a boost to their streams. If you have any other suggestion, please feel free to let me know, i am open to almost everything.
I would love to have guys like Grrr, Android, Fisheye, Darco, etc but I know it will be pointless for them and not even know if they'll be interested in such a thing. Still, few days free vacantion and a sick party (drinks on me :D ), remebering the good old days, it's something to consider
I am not so dump, i know this whole thing is a massive -EV, burning money.
![[image loading]](https://media4.giphy.com/media/B2rrMxDryxTzrONSKd/giphy.gif)
I am not looking for any returns. However, if somehow we can get any returns (if all the community buy some stupid merch, which they will never wear , some sponsors, youtube, afreeca, donations, GAMIN MONITOAH etc) I promise all will go for season 2. I am not looking for any profits, i will not cash in even $0.01. If somehow we can get any returns so our burn rate is not 100%, i have some friends which maybe, just maybe I can convice to burn some more money for season 2
If you guys have any ideas for other return channels, please let me know.
I am confident that whole thing, even if possible to do, cannot go without afreeca. Not only because players like Flash cannot participate if not in cooboration with afreeca, but for many other reasons.
I hope Tasleless and Artosis will be ok to be commentators, cuz I really like them and laugh a lot with them. Dunno how much they're paid, but I hope to accept some pay cut in the name of BW :D
So that's pretty much it. ASL format, with some invitation only foreigners (of course to be the best F, but it will be good to be with good streams to attract more attention) + maybe top 5 Pro's invitation + others with qualifier tournament. Maybe even few groups bigger than ASL, dunno. You will say guys.
ZZZero.O and Fujikura already contacted me and it looks they are on the team. BUt still looking for a ton more help and suggestions/ideas.
Once again, I am looking for anybody who can help me organise that thing. I have no expirience at all and I know nobody. I can offer only money.
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I have a background in brick and mortar event organization and management and retail operations and I have worked as a consultant or owner-operator of 39 stores from inception to operation.
Anything I can do, I will do for free.
ZZZero and Rus_brain have been the hero's of non-korean starcraft.
About casters, you might need more than 2, events in RL are strenuous, I would recommend Nyoken and Gypsy as secondary or alternate casters. Not as funny as Tasteless, but Nyoken is Artosis of the west.
I think one of the best side effects of this event, would be a deserved payday for the casters who have fought for and achieved all of the access to Korea we currently have.
Anyone involved feel free to contact me, besides training bw, I am doing nothing for at least the next few months.
My instincts say, a lot of the precious knowledge to pull his off, is lurking in the background of tl.net and is currently slumbering in prosperity in the sc2 community. Those ESL guys put out quality products, same with the Homestory cup people. 100% event success.
Also, AMD could be a good sponsor to target, Intel and their high FPS chips have enjoyed years of dominance in esports while streamers, players would be (imo) better suited to a chip that is a beastly gaming pc + a server simultaneously.
This is my 2020 wish (and ET on Venus)
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send me the money directly, ill handle everything it for you
princeofpersia@freedomgamers.com
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On September 23 2020 01:50 TT1 wrote:
send me the money directly, ill handle everything it for you
persianprince@freedomgamers.com
Done. Check your balance 
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On September 23 2020 01:52 martoto088 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2020 01:50 TT1 wrote:
send me the money directly, ill handle everything it for you
persianprince@freedomgamers.com Done. Check your balance
![[image loading]](https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/39314212.jpg)
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Have you considered partnering with Rus_Brain (and Esport.fund) and grow the RCG events? Maybe organize what you have in mind as a side-event (or co-hosted event)?
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On September 23 2020 02:01 oxKnu wrote:
Have you considered partnering with Rus_Brain (and Esport.fund) and grow the RCG events? Maybe organize what you have in mind as a side-event (or co-hosted event)?
I am open to anything, but I have no idea what RCG event is. Russian Cyber Games? If so, how we will make top koreans to participate? It just has to be an ofline event in Korea. It has to be.
I have never missed ASL/KLS/OSL/SKY event for the last 10-15 years, big fan, but on the other hand never been interested and watched non korean events. So i am a bit off. Dunno how many viewers might have comapring to asl event.
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Thanks for the support to the scene!
I'd suggest breaking it up into smaller tournaments. I think longevity of the scene is more important than a one-time flash. With a longer time frame and more events, people will train and create communities for a longer lasting impact. Look at the BSL series -- 10 seasons guaranteed up front, which allowed people to look forward to something and maintain interest. I joined starting BSL7 and knew that there were more tournaments, so it was okay to keep training. But certainly it's up to you on whether that's something you do want to promote.
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On September 23 2020 02:09 martoto088 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2020 02:01 oxKnu wrote:
Have you considered partnering with Rus_Brain (and Esport.fund) and grow the RCG events? Maybe organize what you have in mind as a side-event (or co-hosted event)?
I am open to anything, but I have no idea what RCG event is. Russian Cyber Games? If so, how we will make top koreans to participate? It just has to be an ofline event in Korea. It has to be. I have never missed ASL/KLS/OSL/SKY event for the last 10-15 years, big fan, but on the other hand never been interested and watched non korean events. So i am a bit off. Dunno how many viewers might have comapring to asl event.
RCG is a lan event. I think the prize pool is around 10-15K. It's foreigner only, WCG-like qualifier format + main tournament.
A few years ago there was the Zotac Cup, which was a mixed event (foreigner + koreans). I guess the basis of having the korean pros there (Larva) was invitation + appearance fee.
Inside Korea it seems that the events are organized by Afreeca and a lot of the main pro gamers are contractually obligated to play in them, for them.
The ASTL tournament license is basically the KSL tournament that got transferred over from Blizzard Korea.
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If you truly love broodwar i would think about supporting the foreign scene gangnam style since korean scene is plenty healthy atm. Get Artosis/Tasteless to cast the games and fund BSL for 5+ years. I guarantee viewership will be 1~3k instead of usual 300~800 viewers. Viewership will quadriple. Have Scarlett participate as well. Cooperate with zzzero, rus.brain, and other tourney organizers.
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I hear you guys.
What about if we combine it? I mean to host a BSL foreign qualifier with let's say $10k prize pool and top 8 (depends how many groups are in the main tour) to go to Korea on top of prize pool?
I still want a big spalsh. 10 small tournaments are not my thing, i might be wrong tho. I've always aimed for big things. If you dream for a ferrari, will you buy 10 ford mondeos?
Maybe I am just a dreamer and tottaly wrong, but with in live donations, merch, sponsors, why not to get 50% return? If people are willing to pay 10 bucks to see random easter europen girl titties, why not to pay for a event like that? I mean it will be free, of course, but donations are more than welcome. I hope to down burn rate to 50%+ and if we do that, i can promise you it will be yearly event for a long time.
I have already sent emails to few big companies which may be interested. If 5 of them chip in for $10k (which is nothing to them) we are done. I have big hopes, I think it is double. In my mind is much easier to find 5 sponsors for a big event, than 1 for many small events.
Have Scarlett participate as well
Scarlett is on top of the list for sure
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I don't know if I can say that I'm on the team, but for sure I will try to help as much as it will be possible, if it will be necessary.
Organizing few smaller events before the actuall tournament can be only good and work as a boost for main tournament, this way people are finding out about the event and starting to cheer for their players.
Anyway, good luck, looking forward for more details!
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On September 23 2020 02:42 martoto088 wrote:
I hear you guys.
What about if we combine it? I mean to host a BSL foreign qualifier with let's say $10k prize pool and top 8 (depends how many groups are in the main tour) to go to Korea on top of prize pool?
Sounds like a great idea.
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Will this event be streamed on mixer?
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The Korean scene is still active without another $100k tournament but this would boost the foreign scene a lot.
I hope you could spilt it into at least two events. One $25k for non korea, one $75k to korean + top 8 of the non kr tournament might be cool. This way you are still hosting two of the biggest events in BroodWar since a very long time and everyone would be able to enjoy even more games.
Also pleaaaaaase split the price pool down to the top 8 if possible. If always only the top 3 make a nice amount you'll only see the same people being able to invest time in it because they have a realistic chance of winning.
If someone is "just" a top 10 player and still might be able to grab $1k that would be great.
Pricepool idea:
Non Kr:
#1 $10k
#2 $6k
#3 $4k
#4 $2k
#5 - 8 $1k
= $24k total
KR + World
#1 $25k
#2 $15k
#3 $10k
#4 $5k
#5 - #8 2.5k
= $ 65k total. = $89k grand total. This gives you some additional $11k to cover costs for production, casters and other thinks like maybe half paid trip costs etc. With hopefully another $10 - 20k from sponsors this should be enough to cover most of the side expenses if you can invest $120k + x
Hope this is not just a joke, this would be an awesome event(s).
I would be willing to help. Have organized BW, and SC2 pro Teams for nearly 10 years and some experience in event management. If this is really happening and you could need some help.
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Russian Federation1893 Posts
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This is about as fictitious as my girlfriend and our insane sex life.
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On September 23 2020 03:42 overt wrote:
Will this event be streamed on mixer?
Well, that is a great idea! That could be a good promotion for the new Game Pass.
I will contact them for sure. I dont know how these big companies (afreeca, youtube, mixer) works, but i imagine is a pain to make them work together. Afreeca to allow stream on mixer, mixer on afreeca, twitch... on top of that blizzard to agree... I think that will be hell, but worth the shot.
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On September 23 2020 03:53 Avi-Love wrote:
This is about as fictitious as my girlfriend and our insane sex life.
Haha. Let the children have dreams ! The winter is coming.
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+ Show Spoiler +On September 23 2020 03:50 ESC.BlAckSuN wrote:
The Korean scene is still active without another $100k tournament but this would boost the foreign scene a lot.
I hope you could spilt it into at least two events. One $25k for non korea, one $75k to korean + top 8 of the non kr tournament might be cool. This way you are still hosting two of the biggest events in BroodWar since a very long time and everyone would be able to enjoy even more games.
Also pleaaaaaase split the price pool down to the top 8 if possible. If always only the top 3 make a nice amount you'll only see the same people being able to invest time in it because they have a realistic chance of winning.
If someone is "just" a top 10 player and still might be able to grab $1k that would be great.
Pricepool idea:
Non Kr:
#1 $10k
#2 $6k
#3 $4k
#4 $2k
#5 - 8 $1k
= $24k total
KR + World
#1 $25k
#2 $15k
#3 $10k
#4 $5k
#5 - #8 2.5k
= $ 65k total. = $89k grand total. This gives you some additional $11k to cover costs for production, casters and other thinks like maybe half paid trip costs etc. With hopefully another $10 - 20k from sponsors this should be enough to cover most of the side expenses if you can invest $120k + x
Hope this is not just a joke, this would be an awesome event(s).
I would be willing to help. Have organized BW, and SC2 pro Teams for nearly 10 years and some experience in event management. If this is really happening and you could need some help.
That sounds awsome!
I was thinking to be 90kr 10nonkr, but your idea sounds better. Oh, and yeah for sure not only top 3 non kr to get money. It will be like poker tournament, top 10% or top 30% depends on how many players will participate. But at least 8-10 people will be ITM.
Anyone know how to contact afreeca? I wrote them an email on recruit@afreeca.tv, but I doubt they'll take it seriously.
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We need a catchy name for this event.. definitely with alliteration. maybe something like Corona Contagion Cup or Power Pyramid Playoffs
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On September 23 2020 04:06 CadenZie wrote:
We need a catchy name for this event.. definitely with alliteration. maybe something like Corona Contagion Cup or Power Pyramid Playoffs
Super Stonks Supercup!
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In solidarity with anyone who has sunk time and money into this stupid game but wonderful community 
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how do i block people (sonko blocked for a really dumb name idea)
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On September 23 2020 04:09 CadenZie wrote:
how do i block people (sonko blocked for a really dumb name idea)
How can you do this to me, after all I did for you! I can't really remember what it was, but still!
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can we get back on topic please, maybe we should contact qikz?
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Mixer has been discontinued and is Facebook gaming now (fb.gg). If you want to reach the Spanish (Latin American) community, then it's a good idea to have a Spanish stream on there.
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On September 23 2020 04:06 CadenZie wrote:
We need a catchy name for this event.. definitely with alliteration. maybe something like Corona Contagion Cup or Power Pyramid Playoffs
- The Big Coronski
- Fantasy League of Corona Contagion
- Make BW Great Again
- Legends in their own Minds
- Greatest Show on Paper
- Low Expectations
- There can only be one
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-14 Posts
-100k Prize Pool
-Overly aspirational experience without any credibility
It's been awhile since you posted Eywa, where have you been?
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On September 23 2020 05:04 art_of_turtle wrote:
-14 Posts
-100k Prize Pool
-Overly aspirational experience without any credibility
It's been awhile since you posted Eywa, where have you been?
Pure gold. The real ones remember!
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On September 23 2020 05:04 art_of_turtle wrote:
-14 Posts
-100k Prize Pool
-Overly aspirational experience without any credibility
It's been awhile since you posted Eywa, where have you been?
It would behyped or this will be closed in some way.
I would help anyone who wanted to do this.
But yeah... you popped a balloon.
I think your sexi avi
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Would be so fucking cool if you pulled off something like this.
But try to think it through properly so you get as much bw as possible for your money.
Talk to Day9 he hosted the holliday bash on his twitch I believe? Maby if he or someone else can profit on hosting something like this it would help you
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On September 23 2020 04:05 martoto088 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 23 2020 03:50 ESC.BlAckSuN wrote:
The Korean scene is still active without another $100k tournament but this would boost the foreign scene a lot.
I hope you could spilt it into at least two events. One $25k for non korea, one $75k to korean + top 8 of the non kr tournament might be cool. This way you are still hosting two of the biggest events in BroodWar since a very long time and everyone would be able to enjoy even more games.
Also pleaaaaaase split the price pool down to the top 8 if possible. If always only the top 3 make a nice amount you'll only see the same people being able to invest time in it because they have a realistic chance of winning.
If someone is "just" a top 10 player and still might be able to grab $1k that would be great.
Pricepool idea:
Non Kr:
#1 $10k
#2 $6k
#3 $4k
#4 $2k
#5 - 8 $1k
= $24k total
KR + World
#1 $25k
#2 $15k
#3 $10k
#4 $5k
#5 - #8 2.5k
= $ 65k total. = $89k grand total. This gives you some additional $11k to cover costs for production, casters and other thinks like maybe half paid trip costs etc. With hopefully another $10 - 20k from sponsors this should be enough to cover most of the side expenses if you can invest $120k + x
Hope this is not just a joke, this would be an awesome event(s).
I would be willing to help. Have organized BW, and SC2 pro Teams for nearly 10 years and some experience in event management. If this is really happening and you could need some help.
That sounds awsome! I was thinking to be 90kr 10nonkr, but your idea sounds better. Oh, and yeah for sure not only top 3 non kr to get money. It will be like poker tournament, top 10% or top 30% depends on how many players will participate. But at least 8-10 people will be ITM. Anyone know how to contact afreeca? I wrote them an email on recruit@afreeca.tv, but I doubt they'll take it seriously.
Maybe get in contact with a foreigner direcltly in contact with afreeca, like artosis?
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start small...try to establish some credibility...
or share the funds with Rus_Brain for Corrupted Cup 2020-3020
 RCG 2019: Corrupted Cup
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On September 23 2020 01:09 .gypsy wrote:
LOL
Summed up my thoughts after reading the post in its entirety. You will put up 150,000+ $ , but you are worried about funding season 2 with merch? Also, I am almost certain this isn't real after reading how you write, but I guess I am a skeptic.
EDIT : Ohhhh wow nice detective work AOT lol, this time Eywa has made hundreds of thousands through Tesla stocks and not Hockey Cards. =P
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Could you provide proof that you have the necessary means to host such a tournament? If not here, then to ZZZero or Fujikura? I'm on the BSL team with them, if one of them confirms that you do, it's good enough for me.
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Once again, I am looking for anybody who can help me organise that thing. I have no expirience at all and I know nobody. I can offer only money.
Show me the money
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I'm feeling strong, STRONG "baseball/hockey card tournament" vibes from this one..
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On September 23 2020 05:04 art_of_turtle wrote:
-14 Posts
-100k Prize Pool
-Overly aspirational experience without any credibility
It's been awhile since you posted Eywa, where have you been?
heeyyy..
haha, same thoughts here
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Alright then.
There's little to no chance for this to be somewhat serious, at least in the eyes of the mass. If you want any chance to realize your plans, you will need good partners and must form a network. Therefore gaining trust with key persons is of utmost importance.
Since it's nearly impossible to do that within the Korean community, I'd try to reach out to reputable people with some kind of influence and start small at first. Learn to walk before you run. You'd probably be best off either funding ZZZero (BSL), Qikz (STPL), RUS_Brain (RCG, Jeez Weekly), Face (BWCL) or this guy from the Have At Yous, whose name I can't remember. The list isn't mutually exclusive and it doesn't need to be more than a few bucks to stress out that there is something.
Then go from there. It's a quid pro quo and your approach to just jump in there with that kind of money promised sounds insane. Because, let's be frank, it is, even if you do have the money.
On the outside chance that you are serious and do have the money, keep in mind we have had our fair share of impostors going around. Google for the mmm-Scheme of Heme or Eywa's hockey card magic.
Just my few words to you speaking from 10+ years of working with some leagues, portals and servers.
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You're doing the Lord's work brotha. Love to hear you're in a good position to put some funds into the community! Look forward to seeing what comes to fruition.
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On September 24 2020 01:57 GeckoXp wrote:
his guy from the Have At Yous, whose name I can't remember.
Where's the love....
Also, an offline event probably is $100,000 to $250,000 or more in operational overhead alone, if shipping out everyone, it is probably more than that.
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for a small lump sum of fifty BIG ones i can get you bisus contact information, or i can get you the guy from the have at you thingies contact for fifty small ones
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On September 24 2020 02:21 SchAmToo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2020 01:57 GeckoXp wrote:
his guy from the Have At Yous, whose name I can't remember. Where's the love.... Also, an offline event probably is $100,000 to $250,000 or more in operational overhead alone, if shipping out everyone, it is probably more than that.
Much less than that. Rus_brain actually posted a financial report for RCG2019, detailing all these costs. It was around 14k for flying everyone out iirc.
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On September 24 2020 04:22 LML wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2020 02:21 SchAmToo wrote:On September 24 2020 01:57 GeckoXp wrote:
his guy from the Have At Yous, whose name I can't remember. Where's the love.... Also, an offline event probably is $100,000 to $250,000 or more in operational overhead alone, if shipping out everyone, it is probably more than that. Much less than that. Rus_brain actually posted a financial report for RCG2019, detailing all these costs. It was around 14k for flying everyone out iirc.
I was under the impression this person wanted ASL-like, which is multiple weeks leading big tournament.
And while Rusbrain did a tournament, if you want a production crew, casters, etc. and to fly everyone to korea, it's probably much different.
It's possible to hold a tournament at a LAN cafe where everyone pays for their time and the LAN cafe donates some redbull and TO barely spends money, but that's not really fitting for a $100,000 tournament.
Flying everyone out is also, one of many costs. Flying, hotels, food (stipends), parties, an arena or studio costs (which also adds on all of the staff for that, you can't just have volunteers), staff organizers (all the same costs, again, but probably for cheap, even with labor being volunteer).... operational costs of a tournament in a place get very expensive.
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On September 23 2020 07:39 FlaShFTW wrote:Show nested quote +Once again, I am looking for anybody who can help me organise that thing. I have no expirience at all and I know nobody. I can offer only money. Show me the money
lul.
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Please reserve some money to buy in Sayle to cast the games!
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TLADT24920 Posts
You have to forgive me for not being excited at the prospect of a 100K+ offline tournament happening because the chances that such a big tournament happens in this day and age is pretty nil. This community has been burned, so to speak, by others in the past coming in and making similar claims only for them to turn out to be false. I do hope I'm wrong OP and you manage to actually pull this off or even something like BSL for a long time. That would be a more impressive and doable feat if you are indeed truthful with your claims. Prove me wrong!
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He stopped posting after Cadenzie tricked him into showing his troll-ery and people asked for proof.
Would be cool thou.
Trolled me.
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dafuq? is this legit?
why would you just throw 100k into bw out of nowhere?
i mean if this shit is for real u're like a esports super hero.
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On September 24 2020 13:12 AttackZerg wrote:
He stopped posting after Cadenzie tricked him into showing his troll-ery and people asked for proof.
Well his last post was only yesterday so, maybe a bit early to say he stopped posting?
If it's a troll or not, whatever but i would say if it's a real suggestion : Dude do a few tournies with $1000 or so winning prize to build up your name, reputation and experience.Don't go giving away $100k in a tourney without any hosting experience lol.
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On September 24 2020 02:21 SchAmToo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2020 01:57 GeckoXp wrote:
his guy from the Have At Yous, whose name I can't remember. Where's the love.... Also, an offline event probably is $100,000 to $250,000 or more in operational overhead alone, if shipping out everyone, it is probably more than that.
You started doing things when I stopped doing things. To be fair, I wouldn't know who Qikz was, if his league and the BWCL beta would not have collided by accident, doesn't mean disrespect or anything. I hope I have not started a "this Have At You guy" trend, I swear I can come up with more stupid nick names.
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This is a great thread, i am looking forward to more information.
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I'm amazed some people think there is even a possibilty this post is legit.
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On September 24 2020 21:36 NoS-Craig wrote:
I'm amazed some people think there is even a possibilty this post is legit.
Momma said when something seemed too good to be true, it usually is.
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On September 24 2020 21:36 NoS-Craig wrote:
I'm amazed some people think there is even a possibilty this post is legit.
Dreaming is free.
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On September 24 2020 22:56 oxKnu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2020 21:36 NoS-Craig wrote:
I'm amazed some people think there is even a possibilty this post is legit. Dreaming is free.
So is wasting time.
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On September 24 2020 21:36 NoS-Craig wrote:
I'm amazed some people think there is even a possibilty this post is legit.
Get out of here with your illegitimate post, you don't fool me.
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Its fully possible he has the dough though but getting it running requires experience and organization, which he does not have.
P.s made a fortune myself from Tesla alone
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I'd be down to help, maybe as a link between the anglo world and the Latin American community. I'm a English<->Spanish translator, and a writer/filmmaker.
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*dreaming*
I can commentate and/or provide translations for Russian? 
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Let's turn this into something productive and useful:
For all of you willing to donate/volunteer help. Many tournaments exist today which would love volunteer work (Have At You is fine) BSL, STPL, etc.
Or hold your own! Any tournament organizer who spawns from this thread, I'll gladly donate $50 to your tournament (given it's actually going to happen and has materialized)
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Hello I am CasterMuse, Korean Brood War Caster & Tournament Orgainzer, and Also Korean caster of Bombastic Starleague S10, And Russian Cyber Games 2020.
I am leaving a comment because I think there should be a Korean who can help you.
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Russian Federation347 Posts
yoyo, I can help with the organization and conduct of the tournament and coverage in the Russian community
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On September 25 2020 12:11 CasterMuse wrote:
Hello I am CasterMuse, Korean Brood War Caster & Tournament Orgainzer, and Also Korean caster of Bombastic Starleague S10, And Russian Cyber Games 2020.
I am leaving a comment because I think there should be a Korean who can help you.
Hi, that is what i was waiting for. If ok, could you please shoot me a PM and start moving things.
I cannot even get a reply from Afreeca...
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Looking at your nickname, might be that we are countrymates (BG) - either way I would love to offer my services with organizing this in any way possible, send a PM my way
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Is this the Bulgarian guy that just won the WSOP Main Event? =))
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Youkozo, my dude.
Gem League 4 could use funding.
Just need some gemstones.
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I will give you a realistic answer.
First of all, I am a Korean like Castermuse, I am very interested in the Korean StarCraft scene, and I am a StarCraft fan working hard for foreign StarCraft scenes.
If the tournament's prize pool is $100K~150K, that's a huge prize. That would be very good news.
But if that's talking about all the costs of the tournament plan, including the tournament's prize money, that's a problem.
There is one thing you need to know.
They aren't pro gamers anymore, it means they were former pro gamers. And they have no compulsory reason to participate in ASL tournaments. And they don't just take part in tournaments for prize money.
Of course, prize money is also an important factor for them. ASL is the best Korean competition at this time.
They participate in ASL for a sense of accomplishment of winning by competing against the best Koreans.
If they only wanted the prize money, then Flash and Bisu must have participated in KSL in the past.
If you want a tournament of ASL quality, I agree with Schamtoo.
It will cost at least 100K ~ 250K just to run the tournament.
And if you want the best Korean gamers to participate in your tournament, all schedules must be held in Korea and all match times must be conducted according to Korean standards. You should also invite Artosis + Tasteless as well as Korean casters from ASL.
And the streaming platform will have to run on AfreecaTV, not Twitch.
The reason they participate in the tournament is because ASL is the best tournament, and also because ASL streams on AfreecaTV, which is watched by 99% of Korean StarCraft fans, they take great importance to communicating with fans about the tournament. .
Unfortunately, KSL streamed on Twitch.
So, Flash and Bisu declined to participate. This is not because they have any provisions with AfreecaTV. If the tournament doesn't stream on AfreecaTV and there are no Korean casters, the best Korean gamers will refuse to participate.
Korean casters are also very important.
Tournaments without Korean casters are not seen by Korean fans.
If Korean fans don't watch the tournament, Korean gamers won't put much meaning in participating in tournaments that Korean fans aren't interested in.
To convince them, you have to invite the best Korean casters who are active at ASL.
I'm not sure what the foreign StarCraft scene will be like, but at least in Korea, ASL casters are the best casters, and their tournament casting is very important to fans and gamers.
I recommend you to think very carefully, tournament graphics, casters, staff, etc. All costs will be doubled. For the Korean version service.
In addition, AfreecaTV is the organizer and Top of Top sponsor in planning ASL with the highest authority.
If any company or organization wants to send an inquiry email to FIFA and get their help to create another Champions League, I don't think FIFA will help them.
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@ cruiser and castermuse
If he would add money to the ASL prizepool, some bonus for the production, pay for the foreigners travel and stay.
How do you think the koreans players, audience, Afreeca would respond?
Would the audience enjoy watching their players destroy the best foreigners?
If they run ASTL again after the ASL, perhaps it could be combined with this.
Not what martoto was aiming for but a foreigner team in ASTL could be something to discuss with Afreeca.
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On September 26 2020 03:08 SirGlinG wrote:
@ cruiser and castermuse
If he would add money to the ASL prizepool, some bonus for the production, pay for the foreigners travel and stay.
How do you think the koreans players, audience, Afreeca would respond?
Would the audience enjoy watching their players destroy the best foreigners?
If they run ASTL again after the ASL, perhaps it could be combined with this.
Not what martoto was aiming for but a foreigner team in ASTL could be something to discuss with Afreeca.
I will also be honest with you.
I think it would be most realistic for him to pass money for staying directly to foreign gamers and help them stay in Korea rather than adding prize money to ASL.
And Korean gamers and fans, AfreecaTV, won't pay much attention to them.
At least, fans will be wondering how competitive foreign gamers can show themselves in Korea.
Let me explain an easy example
For example, EPL and La Liga are the best leagues in football.
If Bonyth, Dewalt, and Sziky do a great job like EPL's Son, they will be interested and supportive.
But if they don't play big, Korean fans won't be interested in them.
The same goes for Korean gamers.
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@Cruiser0929 thank you a lot for the input!
As I knew from the beggining it will be a pain and close to impossible to do something like that.
What is your opinion/advise? Do you think ASL will be interested if from a foreigner tournament top 8 (for example only) on top of prize pool can participate in future ASL? Do you think $150k budget for all will be enough? It looks like not...
Do you know any way a can contact Afreeca and give them my idea? Maybe I can be just a sponsor and they do all the stuff if interested. Dunno, what advise can you give?
Not what martoto was aiming for but a foreigner team in ASTL could be something to discuss with Afreeca.
That sounds pretty cool. Perhaps that could work?
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I think Cruiser's post is mostly about Flash and Bisu. Most other guys would probably take the money and participate in whatever tournament is available.
The idea that the SC1 korean scene is that healthy that they can skip tournaments with a decent prize pool and just focus on the AfreecaTV fans is frankly ridiculous (for guys other than Flash, Bisu etc..)
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On September 26 2020 04:33 oxKnu wrote:
I think Cruiser's post is mostly about Flash and Bisu. Most other guys would probably take the money and participate in whatever tournament is available.
The idea that the SC1 korean scene is that healthy that they can skip tournaments with a decent prize pool and just focus on the AfreecaTV fans is frankly ridiculous (for guys other than Flash, Bisu etc..)
Hi.
I run tournaments. They can.
(also as one of the only people who runs tournaments that allow koreans)
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On September 26 2020 04:33 oxKnu wrote:
I think Cruiser's post is mostly about Flash and Bisu. Most other guys would probably take the money and participate in whatever tournament is available.
The idea that the SC1 korean scene is that healthy that they can skip tournaments with a decent prize pool and just focus on the AfreecaTV fans is frankly ridiculous (for guys other than Flash, Bisu etc..)
I will explain more.
What you forget is that the author of this article wants an ASL quality tournament.
They will never spend 2-3 months in a tournament that Korean fans are not interested in.
To explain this, you need to know about Korean culture
They don't just take part in tournaments for prize money.
In fact, Rush recently reached RO16 with perfect performance.
And he was congratulated by countless StarCraft fans and received 30000 star balloons in 2 hours.
30000 starballoon = $3000.
All gamers are like this. The higher they advance, the more congratulations and money they receive from korean starcraft fans.
If Korean fans aren't interested in the two or three month tournaments they take part in, the fans won't even know they've won the tournament.
Tournaments that end in one day, such as Have At You, can participate. It's not just a big tournament, it's an online tournament, not offline. They can participate for prize money
And I am correct about Flash and Bisu
Actually, ASL's average number of viewers fluctuates greatly depending on whether Flash and Bisu participate.
If you are planning the best tournaments of ASL quality, can you imagine them not participating?
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On September 26 2020 04:05 martoto088 wrote:@Cruiser0929 thank you a lot for the input! As I knew from the beggining it will be a pain and close to impossible to do something like that. What is your opinion/advise? Do you think ASL will be interested if from a foreigner tournament top 8 (for example only) on top of prize pool can participate in future ASL? Do you think $150k budget for all will be enough? It looks like not... Do you know any way a can contact Afreeca and give them my idea? Maybe I can be just a sponsor and they do all the stuff if interested. Dunno, what advise can you give? Show nested quote +Not what martoto was aiming for but a foreigner team in ASTL could be something to discuss with Afreeca. That sounds pretty cool. Perhaps that could work?
check the PM
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totally agree
On September 26 2020 05:00 Cruiser0929 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2020 04:33 oxKnu wrote:
I think Cruiser's post is mostly about Flash and Bisu. Most other guys would probably take the money and participate in whatever tournament is available.
The idea that the SC1 korean scene is that healthy that they can skip tournaments with a decent prize pool and just focus on the AfreecaTV fans is frankly ridiculous (for guys other than Flash, Bisu etc..)
I will explain more. What you forget is that the author of this article wants an ASL quality tournament. They will never spend 2-3 months in a tournament that Korean fans are not interested in. To explain this, you need to know about Korean culture They don't just take part in tournaments for prize money. In fact, Rush recently reached RO16 with perfect performance. And he was congratulated by countless StarCraft fans and received 30000 star balloons in 2 hours. 30000 starballoon = $3000. All gamers are like this. The higher they advance, the more congratulations and money they receive from korean starcraft fans. If Korean fans aren't interested in the two or three month tournaments they take part in, the fans won't even know they've won the tournament. Tournaments that end in one day, such as Have At You, can participate. It's not just a big tournament, it's an online tournament, not offline. They can participate for prize money And I am correct about Flash and Bisu Actually, ASL's average number of viewers fluctuates greatly depending on whether Flash and Bisu participate. If you are planning the best tournaments of ASL quality, can you imagine them not participating?
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On September 26 2020 05:00 Cruiser0929 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2020 04:33 oxKnu wrote:
I think Cruiser's post is mostly about Flash and Bisu. Most other guys would probably take the money and participate in whatever tournament is available.
The idea that the SC1 korean scene is that healthy that they can skip tournaments with a decent prize pool and just focus on the AfreecaTV fans is frankly ridiculous (for guys other than Flash, Bisu etc..)
I will explain more. What you forget is that the author of this article wants an ASL quality tournament. They will never spend 2-3 months in a tournament that Korean fans are not interested in. To explain this, you need to know about Korean culture They don't just take part in tournaments for prize money. In fact, Rush recently reached RO16 with perfect performance. And he was congratulated by countless StarCraft fans and received 30000 star balloons in 2 hours. 30000 starballoon = $3000. All gamers are like this. The higher they advance, the more congratulations and money they receive from korean starcraft fans. If Korean fans aren't interested in the two or three month tournaments they take part in, the fans won't even know they've won the tournament. Tournaments that end in one day, such as Have At You, can participate. It's not just a big tournament, it's an online tournament, not offline. They can participate for prize money And I am correct about Flash and Bisu Actually, ASL's average number of viewers fluctuates greatly depending on whether Flash and Bisu participate. If you are planning the best tournaments of ASL quality, can you imagine them not participating?
I didn't doubt the comments you made about the Korean SC1 culture. I just don't think they apply to that many of these guys, mostly from a financial perspective.
Sure, I know that ASL performances are greatly appreciated by fans (I was watching Soma after his big ASL run and he got swamped in donations that time) but how frequent of an event is this for non-legend status active players? I doubt that much since ASL basically runs twice every year.
Would Shinee pass on the opportunity to play in a tournament where he has a realistic chance to get 1st for let's say 5K? I would be surprised if that is the case.
I mentioned him because I think he's a guy that's clearly head and shoulders in skill above any foreigner and he doesn't seem to be popular on Afreeca.
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On September 26 2020 05:36 oxKnu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2020 05:00 Cruiser0929 wrote:On September 26 2020 04:33 oxKnu wrote:
I think Cruiser's post is mostly about Flash and Bisu. Most other guys would probably take the money and participate in whatever tournament is available.
The idea that the SC1 korean scene is that healthy that they can skip tournaments with a decent prize pool and just focus on the AfreecaTV fans is frankly ridiculous (for guys other than Flash, Bisu etc..)
I will explain more. What you forget is that the author of this article wants an ASL quality tournament. They will never spend 2-3 months in a tournament that Korean fans are not interested in. To explain this, you need to know about Korean culture They don't just take part in tournaments for prize money. In fact, Rush recently reached RO16 with perfect performance. And he was congratulated by countless StarCraft fans and received 30000 star balloons in 2 hours. 30000 starballoon = $3000. All gamers are like this. The higher they advance, the more congratulations and money they receive from korean starcraft fans. If Korean fans aren't interested in the two or three month tournaments they take part in, the fans won't even know they've won the tournament. Tournaments that end in one day, such as Have At You, can participate. It's not just a big tournament, it's an online tournament, not offline. They can participate for prize money And I am correct about Flash and Bisu Actually, ASL's average number of viewers fluctuates greatly depending on whether Flash and Bisu participate. If you are planning the best tournaments of ASL quality, can you imagine them not participating? I didn't doubt the comments you made about the Korean SC1 culture. I just don't think they apply to that many of these guys, mostly from a financial perspective. Sure, I know that ASL performances are greatly appreciated by fans (I was watching Soma after his big ASL run and he got swamped in donations that time) but how frequent of an event is this for non-legend status active players? I doubt that much since ASL basically runs twice every year. Would Shinee pass on the opportunity to play in a tournament where he has a realistic chance to get 1st for let's say 5K? I would be surprised if that is the case. I mentioned him because I think he's a guy that's clearly head and shoulders in skill above any foreigner and he doesn't seem to be popular on Afreeca.
You said "a decent prize pool" and now are saying $5k? who's running tournaments that are open to anyone for $5k?
Decent is a relative term in league with a reality of the current state of things. $5k is not decent, its an amazing prizepool.
Unless it's for a 2-3 months tournament, then while $5k is great for the winner, i figure most players would rather stream more.
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i think if your are serious in any way you should donate something to esports.fund and/or any Korean organization alike
esports.fund has shown repeatedly how they just give to broodwar, and are ready to meet your wishes in a professional way. show some faith to the community, a lot of people have given you their trust by simply posting in this thread positive things: do not betray their trust please.
also understand, you came out with a big idea, hosting a 100k tour. give people a tangible signal someway that you are serious about this please. everyone has given you their trust until now.
TLDR: if you really have 100k to put into this, giving 0.5% (500$) to a trusted organization such as eports.fund to hold it for you or to give it to a tournament of broodwar, is a sign that you are serious about this. People will help you as they have allready suggested. your move.
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On September 26 2020 05:47 SchAmToo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2020 05:36 oxKnu wrote:On September 26 2020 05:00 Cruiser0929 wrote:On September 26 2020 04:33 oxKnu wrote:
I think Cruiser's post is mostly about Flash and Bisu. Most other guys would probably take the money and participate in whatever tournament is available.
The idea that the SC1 korean scene is that healthy that they can skip tournaments with a decent prize pool and just focus on the AfreecaTV fans is frankly ridiculous (for guys other than Flash, Bisu etc..)
I will explain more. What you forget is that the author of this article wants an ASL quality tournament. They will never spend 2-3 months in a tournament that Korean fans are not interested in. To explain this, you need to know about Korean culture They don't just take part in tournaments for prize money. In fact, Rush recently reached RO16 with perfect performance. And he was congratulated by countless StarCraft fans and received 30000 star balloons in 2 hours. 30000 starballoon = $3000. All gamers are like this. The higher they advance, the more congratulations and money they receive from korean starcraft fans. If Korean fans aren't interested in the two or three month tournaments they take part in, the fans won't even know they've won the tournament. Tournaments that end in one day, such as Have At You, can participate. It's not just a big tournament, it's an online tournament, not offline. They can participate for prize money And I am correct about Flash and Bisu Actually, ASL's average number of viewers fluctuates greatly depending on whether Flash and Bisu participate. If you are planning the best tournaments of ASL quality, can you imagine them not participating? I didn't doubt the comments you made about the Korean SC1 culture. I just don't think they apply to that many of these guys, mostly from a financial perspective. Sure, I know that ASL performances are greatly appreciated by fans (I was watching Soma after his big ASL run and he got swamped in donations that time) but how frequent of an event is this for non-legend status active players? I doubt that much since ASL basically runs twice every year. Would Shinee pass on the opportunity to play in a tournament where he has a realistic chance to get 1st for let's say 5K? I would be surprised if that is the case. I mentioned him because I think he's a guy that's clearly head and shoulders in skill above any foreigner and he doesn't seem to be popular on Afreeca. You said "a decent prize pool" and now are saying $5k? who's running tournaments that are open to anyone for $5k? Decent is a relative term in league with a reality of the current state of things. $5k is not decent, its an amazing prizepool. Unless it's for a 2-3 months tournament, then while $5k is great for the winner, i figure most players would rather stream more.
Tried to frame it in the context of this thread (although I still think the OP and his desire/availability to put that kind of money on the line is bogus).
Also I doubt the excuse made for Flash and Bisu to skip all the KSLs is anything but just a financial decision rather than anything else.
Whatever 25K up top was available for KSL was just not enough incentive for Flash and his partnership with Afreeca (and whatever side-deal they have).
In the case of Bisu I think it was similar (getting swamped in donations after just coming back) and him being out of shape (so as opposed to Flash, who would be heavily favorite to get all the money).
So if they can net more money over the course of those 2-3 months why bother with that tournament since they can easily make more doing something else.
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On September 26 2020 06:00 oxKnu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2020 05:47 SchAmToo wrote:On September 26 2020 05:36 oxKnu wrote:On September 26 2020 05:00 Cruiser0929 wrote:On September 26 2020 04:33 oxKnu wrote:
I think Cruiser's post is mostly about Flash and Bisu. Most other guys would probably take the money and participate in whatever tournament is available.
The idea that the SC1 korean scene is that healthy that they can skip tournaments with a decent prize pool and just focus on the AfreecaTV fans is frankly ridiculous (for guys other than Flash, Bisu etc..)
I will explain more. What you forget is that the author of this article wants an ASL quality tournament. They will never spend 2-3 months in a tournament that Korean fans are not interested in. To explain this, you need to know about Korean culture They don't just take part in tournaments for prize money. In fact, Rush recently reached RO16 with perfect performance. And he was congratulated by countless StarCraft fans and received 30000 star balloons in 2 hours. 30000 starballoon = $3000. All gamers are like this. The higher they advance, the more congratulations and money they receive from korean starcraft fans. If Korean fans aren't interested in the two or three month tournaments they take part in, the fans won't even know they've won the tournament. Tournaments that end in one day, such as Have At You, can participate. It's not just a big tournament, it's an online tournament, not offline. They can participate for prize money And I am correct about Flash and Bisu Actually, ASL's average number of viewers fluctuates greatly depending on whether Flash and Bisu participate. If you are planning the best tournaments of ASL quality, can you imagine them not participating? I didn't doubt the comments you made about the Korean SC1 culture. I just don't think they apply to that many of these guys, mostly from a financial perspective. Sure, I know that ASL performances are greatly appreciated by fans (I was watching Soma after his big ASL run and he got swamped in donations that time) but how frequent of an event is this for non-legend status active players? I doubt that much since ASL basically runs twice every year. Would Shinee pass on the opportunity to play in a tournament where he has a realistic chance to get 1st for let's say 5K? I would be surprised if that is the case. I mentioned him because I think he's a guy that's clearly head and shoulders in skill above any foreigner and he doesn't seem to be popular on Afreeca. You said "a decent prize pool" and now are saying $5k? who's running tournaments that are open to anyone for $5k? Decent is a relative term in league with a reality of the current state of things. $5k is not decent, its an amazing prizepool. Unless it's for a 2-3 months tournament, then while $5k is great for the winner, i figure most players would rather stream more. Tried to frame it in the context of this thread (although I still think the OP and his desire/availability to put that kind of money on the line is bogus). Also I doubt the excuse made for Flash and Bisu to skip all the KSLs is anything but just a financial decision rather than anything else. Whatever 25K up top was available for KSL was just not enough incentive for Flash and his partnership with Afreeca (and whatever side-deal they have). In the case of Bisu I think it was similar (getting swamped in donations after just coming back) and him being out of shape (so as opposed to Flash, who would be heavily favorite to get all the money). So if they can net more money over the course of those 2-3 months why bother with that tournament since they can easily make more doing something else.
Yes, but they can make more stable money doing something else which is: stream to koreans. The point being made by Cruiser/CM is that Koreans see more value in streaming, than for a chance at money, since streaming is so pivotal to them making money outside of winning. Even the low viewer count ones make decent money.
Therefore, if a tournament has no korean presence and is a long time investment, they will not participate because they need to maintain a schedule/viewerbase with koreans to keep making money at all. Even if it looks like good money to us, it's risky to bank on that over consistent viewer basis.
Source: i know many twitch broadcasters who have the same logic for playing in/going-to tournaments or not
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So in other words, just to wind it back to the OP, if our willing sponsor here does not obtain Afreeca's support in this endeavor then it's probably best if he keeps his money close to the chest. (or invest it in something else)
...dream dead? RIP?
I doubt 100K is a large enough of a sum for a corporate entity. Unless they're open for smaller events.
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On September 26 2020 06:15 oxKnu wrote:
So in other words, just to wind it back to the OP, if our willing sponsor here does not obtain Afreeca's support in this endeavor then it's probably best if he keeps his money close to the chest. (or invest it in something else)
...dream dead? RIP?
I doubt 100K is a large enough of a sum for a corporate entity. Unless they're open for smaller events.
This dream is dead because the OP is a troll and the posts lack any material investment other than someone claiming they have money to throw away. Any sponsor/TO/etc worth their word goes about this in a vastly different way.
If Zzzero said he was doing this or Rus_brain, there would be hope. But someone with no post history getting y'alls dreams up is just a troll trying to jerk emotions.
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On September 26 2020 06:15 oxKnu wrote:
So in other words, just to wind it back to the OP, if our willing sponsor here does not obtain Afreeca's support in this endeavor then it's probably best if he keeps his money close to the chest. (or invest it in something else)
...dream dead? RIP?
I doubt 100K is a large enough of a sum for a corporate entity. Unless they're open for smaller events.
Shinee made a controversial remark about ASL and was therefore disqualified. This is why he does not participate in ASL.
And you are mistaken for something
The reason Flash and Bisu did not participate in KSL in the past was simply the reason the tournament was not streaming on AfreecaTV.
AfreecaTV didn't limit anything to Flash and Bisu.
And when Light won the KSL, he received a huge sum of money from fans.
KSL got enough attention, if not as much as ASL. And if Flash and Bisu participated in KSL, I'm sure that KSL's viewership would have increased by at least twice as much.
The point is that in the end, fans want Korean casters in the tournament, and they must invite Korean casters from ASL to watch the tournament.
Gamers understand how much interest Korean fans are in the tournament. If it is not worth it, do not participate.
In fact, they earn monthly revenues equal to ASL's winning prizes.
Sponsored matches, simple donations, small tournaments, etc.
Now, tournament prizes are just the most minor incidental reason why Korean gamers participate in the tournament.
The most important thing is the interest of Korean StarCraft fans, the tournament will not run unless the fans are interested. And if the fans are not interested, they can't make money.
The only way to break this logic is to prove that StarCraft 1 fans around the world, excluding Korea, are bigger than fans in the Korean StarCraft scene.
But is it possible? I think it's impossible.
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You're running a continuous false dichotomy in all of your posts though. If the 'interest' of Korean fans is all that matters and financial prizes are just because they have to be there then how do you quantify what is most valuable for the fans in the first place?
There's a reason ASL is far more popular than KCM or some other minor leagues and that is because it pays the most(through eventual income as well) and fans know that the players will show up for it and give it their best effort. It's what happens in every e-sport really.
Wipe out some of those big cash prizes in the big e-sport tournaments of other games as well and watch how that fan interest slowly dwindles in the competition too.
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On September 26 2020 08:36 oxKnu wrote:
You're running a continuous false dichotomy in all of your posts though. If the 'interest' of Korean fans is all that matters and financial prizes are just because they have to be there then how do you quantify what is most valuable for the fans in the first place?
There's a reason ASL is far more popular than KCM or some other minor leagues and that is because it pays the most(through eventual income as well) and fans know that the players will show up for it and give it their best effort. It's what happens in every e-sport really.
Wipe out some of those big cash prizes in the big e-sport tournaments of other games as well and watch how that fan interest slowly dwindles in the competition too.
It's not a 1 or 0 formula, and Cruiser is trying to describe to you how it works. Of course it's more complex than purely money or purely fans, but there is a situational decision that streamer/players have to make.
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I think Cruiser has a reasonable argument. And oxKnu, I don't know if you know, but I planned and conducted a show-match between Scarlett and Cadenzie. And there were requests from countless foreign fans, so I allowed Artosis to cast the content in English. That's what foreign fans said to me. "Without English Caster, this content won't attract foreigners' attention."
Then, when there is no Korean caster, do you think this content can be an issue for Korean Starcraft fans?
I can give back what foreign fans have claimed to me.
"Without a Korean caster, this content will not attract Koreans' attention."
Then the chances of FlaSh and Bisu playing will be reduced. Should I express this in the same way?
"If it's not transmitted on AfreecaTV, FlaSh and Bisu are very likely not to participate in the competition."
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Russian Federation372 Posts
Read about the biggest offline tournament Russian Cyber Games 2020 by Rus_Brain, Finals planned at this december. And consider donation here. We have $10,000 out of $15,000 to make it possible to happen in 2021. With your generous support we could reach it much faster!
Thanks!
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The OP still hasn't answered, why is this thread still open?
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On September 26 2020 14:25 TelecoM wrote:
The OP still hasn't answered, why is this thread still open?
He replied roughly ten hours before your post.
Aside from the debatable potential this has, it's still an interesting conversation to follow between the Korean side and the foreign organizers. No need to close yet. Also, don't forget we could get another interesting insight into the depths of hockey trading craftsmanship or similar endeavours.
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On September 26 2020 16:17 GeckoXp wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2020 14:25 TelecoM wrote:
The OP still hasn't answered, why is this thread still open? He replied roughly ten hours before your post. Aside from the debatable potential this has, it's still an interesting conversation to follow between the Korean side and the foreign organizers. No need to close yet. Also, don't forget we could get another interesting insight into the depths of hockey trading craftsmanship or similar endeavours.
ROFL, Gecko is a genius! I support 100%.
Also big thanks to Cruiser and CasterMuse for actually sharing some useful insight about AfreecaTV and the Korean players!
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On September 26 2020 11:43 iFU.spx wrote:Read about the biggest offline tournament Russian Cyber Games 2020 by Rus_Brain, Finals planned at this december. And consider donation here. We have $10,000 out of $15,000 to make it possible to happen in 2021. With your generous support we could reach it much faster! Thanks!
I very much second this proposition, probably the best one thus far.
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United States10232 Posts
imo I think mods should just close this thread until OP can dm admins with some kind of proof that he actually has this money he speaks of. It's a waste of everyone's time to even consider something as ludicrous as this, especially for those who are offering their services.
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On September 27 2020 03:59 FlaShFTW wrote:
imo I think mods should just close this thread until OP can dm admins with some kind of proof that he actually has this money he speaks of. It's a waste of everyone's time to even consider something as ludicrous as this, especially for those who are offering their services.
*Ambitious*
This is all good and very much appreciated if you can provide us with some actual proof. Start off small work your way up. Build up some reputation and show us some dedication. Flashing 100$ Bills at a Chuck e Cheese ball pit doesn't mean we will want to play, especially knowing there isn't some kind of guarantee that if we do perform you won't just cut out.
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On September 26 2020 06:04 SchAmToo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2020 06:00 oxKnu wrote:On September 26 2020 05:47 SchAmToo wrote:On September 26 2020 05:36 oxKnu wrote:On September 26 2020 05:00 Cruiser0929 wrote:On September 26 2020 04:33 oxKnu wrote:
I think Cruiser's post is mostly about Flash and Bisu. Most other guys would probably take the money and participate in whatever tournament is available.
The idea that the SC1 korean scene is that healthy that they can skip tournaments with a decent prize pool and just focus on the AfreecaTV fans is frankly ridiculous (for guys other than Flash, Bisu etc..)
I will explain more. What you forget is that the author of this article wants an ASL quality tournament. They will never spend 2-3 months in a tournament that Korean fans are not interested in. To explain this, you need to know about Korean culture They don't just take part in tournaments for prize money. In fact, Rush recently reached RO16 with perfect performance. And he was congratulated by countless StarCraft fans and received 30000 star balloons in 2 hours. 30000 starballoon = $3000. All gamers are like this. The higher they advance, the more congratulations and money they receive from korean starcraft fans. If Korean fans aren't interested in the two or three month tournaments they take part in, the fans won't even know they've won the tournament. Tournaments that end in one day, such as Have At You, can participate. It's not just a big tournament, it's an online tournament, not offline. They can participate for prize money And I am correct about Flash and Bisu Actually, ASL's average number of viewers fluctuates greatly depending on whether Flash and Bisu participate. If you are planning the best tournaments of ASL quality, can you imagine them not participating? I didn't doubt the comments you made about the Korean SC1 culture. I just don't think they apply to that many of these guys, mostly from a financial perspective. Sure, I know that ASL performances are greatly appreciated by fans (I was watching Soma after his big ASL run and he got swamped in donations that time) but how frequent of an event is this for non-legend status active players? I doubt that much since ASL basically runs twice every year. Would Shinee pass on the opportunity to play in a tournament where he has a realistic chance to get 1st for let's say 5K? I would be surprised if that is the case. I mentioned him because I think he's a guy that's clearly head and shoulders in skill above any foreigner and he doesn't seem to be popular on Afreeca. You said "a decent prize pool" and now are saying $5k? who's running tournaments that are open to anyone for $5k? Decent is a relative term in league with a reality of the current state of things. $5k is not decent, its an amazing prizepool. Unless it's for a 2-3 months tournament, then while $5k is great for the winner, i figure most players would rather stream more. Tried to frame it in the context of this thread (although I still think the OP and his desire/availability to put that kind of money on the line is bogus). Also I doubt the excuse made for Flash and Bisu to skip all the KSLs is anything but just a financial decision rather than anything else. Whatever 25K up top was available for KSL was just not enough incentive for Flash and his partnership with Afreeca (and whatever side-deal they have). In the case of Bisu I think it was similar (getting swamped in donations after just coming back) and him being out of shape (so as opposed to Flash, who would be heavily favorite to get all the money). So if they can net more money over the course of those 2-3 months why bother with that tournament since they can easily make more doing something else. Yes, but they can make more stable money doing something else which is: stream to koreans. The point being made by Cruiser/CM is that Koreans see more value in streaming, than for a chance at money, since streaming is so pivotal to them making money outside of winning. Even the low viewer count ones make decent money. Therefore, if a tournament has no korean presence and is a long time investment, they will not participate because they need to maintain a schedule/viewerbase with koreans to keep making money at all. Even if it looks like good money to us, it's risky to bank on that over consistent viewer basis. Source: i know many twitch broadcasters who have the same logic for playing in/going-to tournaments or not
Sounds like it's kind of like going on Shark Tank.
The motivation for going on that show actually isn't to get seed funding -- it's to get your consumer product in front of millions of eyeballs during prime time TV for free.
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