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psyCrowe
Scotland197 Posts
On September 24 2020 21:36 NoS-Craig wrote: I'm amazed some people think there is even a possibilty this post is legit. Get out of here with your illegitimate post, you don't fool me. | ||
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MeSaber
Sweden1235 Posts
P.s made a fortune myself from Tesla alone  | ||
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GraiL
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Jealous
10365 Posts
I can commentate and/or provide translations for Russian?  | ||
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SchAmToo
United States1141 Posts
For all of you willing to donate/volunteer help. Many tournaments exist today which would love volunteer work (Have At You is fine) BSL, STPL, etc.Or hold your own! Any tournament organizer who spawns from this thread, I'll gladly donate $50 to your tournament (given it's actually going to happen and has materialized) | ||
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CasterMuse
395 Posts
I am leaving a comment because I think there should be a Korean who can help you. | ||
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SouL)Z(Silver
Russian Federation347 Posts
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martoto088
32 Posts
On September 25 2020 12:11 CasterMuse wrote: Hello I am CasterMuse, Korean Brood War Caster & Tournament Orgainzer, and Also Korean caster of Bombastic Starleague S10, And Russian Cyber Games 2020. I am leaving a comment because I think there should be a Korean who can help you. Hi, that is what i was waiting for. If ok, could you please shoot me a PM and start moving things. I cannot even get a reply from Afreeca... | ||
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skycycle
Netherlands36 Posts
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oxKnu
1267 Posts
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Trozz
Canada3456 Posts
Gem League 4 could use funding. Just need some gemstones. | ||
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Cruiser0929
516 Posts
First of all, I am a Korean like Castermuse, I am very interested in the Korean StarCraft scene, and I am a StarCraft fan working hard for foreign StarCraft scenes. If the tournament's prize pool is $100K~150K, that's a huge prize. That would be very good news. But if that's talking about all the costs of the tournament plan, including the tournament's prize money, that's a problem. There is one thing you need to know. They aren't pro gamers anymore, it means they were former pro gamers. And they have no compulsory reason to participate in ASL tournaments. And they don't just take part in tournaments for prize money. Of course, prize money is also an important factor for them. ASL is the best Korean competition at this time. They participate in ASL for a sense of accomplishment of winning by competing against the best Koreans. If they only wanted the prize money, then Flash and Bisu must have participated in KSL in the past. If you want a tournament of ASL quality, I agree with Schamtoo. It will cost at least 100K ~ 250K just to run the tournament. And if you want the best Korean gamers to participate in your tournament, all schedules must be held in Korea and all match times must be conducted according to Korean standards. You should also invite Artosis + Tasteless as well as Korean casters from ASL. And the streaming platform will have to run on AfreecaTV, not Twitch. The reason they participate in the tournament is because ASL is the best tournament, and also because ASL streams on AfreecaTV, which is watched by 99% of Korean StarCraft fans, they take great importance to communicating with fans about the tournament. . Unfortunately, KSL streamed on Twitch. So, Flash and Bisu declined to participate. This is not because they have any provisions with AfreecaTV. If the tournament doesn't stream on AfreecaTV and there are no Korean casters, the best Korean gamers will refuse to participate. Korean casters are also very important. Tournaments without Korean casters are not seen by Korean fans. If Korean fans don't watch the tournament, Korean gamers won't put much meaning in participating in tournaments that Korean fans aren't interested in. To convince them, you have to invite the best Korean casters who are active at ASL. I'm not sure what the foreign StarCraft scene will be like, but at least in Korea, ASL casters are the best casters, and their tournament casting is very important to fans and gamers. I recommend you to think very carefully, tournament graphics, casters, staff, etc. All costs will be doubled. For the Korean version service. In addition, AfreecaTV is the organizer and Top of Top sponsor in planning ASL with the highest authority. If any company or organization wants to send an inquiry email to FIFA and get their help to create another Champions League, I don't think FIFA will help them. | ||
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SirGlinG
Sweden933 Posts
If he would add money to the ASL prizepool, some bonus for the production, pay for the foreigners travel and stay. How do you think the koreans players, audience, Afreeca would respond? Would the audience enjoy watching their players destroy the best foreigners? If they run ASTL again after the ASL, perhaps it could be combined with this. Not what martoto was aiming for but a foreigner team in ASTL could be something to discuss with Afreeca. | ||
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Cruiser0929
516 Posts
On September 26 2020 03:08 SirGlinG wrote: @ cruiser and castermuse If he would add money to the ASL prizepool, some bonus for the production, pay for the foreigners travel and stay. How do you think the koreans players, audience, Afreeca would respond? Would the audience enjoy watching their players destroy the best foreigners? If they run ASTL again after the ASL, perhaps it could be combined with this. Not what martoto was aiming for but a foreigner team in ASTL could be something to discuss with Afreeca. I will also be honest with you. I think it would be most realistic for him to pass money for staying directly to foreign gamers and help them stay in Korea rather than adding prize money to ASL. And Korean gamers and fans, AfreecaTV, won't pay much attention to them. At least, fans will be wondering how competitive foreign gamers can show themselves in Korea. Let me explain an easy example For example, EPL and La Liga are the best leagues in football. If Bonyth, Dewalt, and Sziky do a great job like EPL's Son, they will be interested and supportive. But if they don't play big, Korean fans won't be interested in them. The same goes for Korean gamers. | ||
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martoto088
32 Posts
As I knew from the beggining it will be a pain and close to impossible to do something like that. What is your opinion/advise? Do you think ASL will be interested if from a foreigner tournament top 8 (for example only) on top of prize pool can participate in future ASL? Do you think $150k budget for all will be enough? It looks like not... Do you know any way a can contact Afreeca and give them my idea? Maybe I can be just a sponsor and they do all the stuff if interested. Dunno, what advise can you give? Not what martoto was aiming for but a foreigner team in ASTL could be something to discuss with Afreeca. That sounds pretty cool. Perhaps that could work? | ||
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oxKnu
1267 Posts
The idea that the SC1 korean scene is that healthy that they can skip tournaments with a decent prize pool and just focus on the AfreecaTV fans is frankly ridiculous (for guys other than Flash, Bisu etc..) | ||
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SchAmToo
United States1141 Posts
On September 26 2020 04:33 oxKnu wrote: I think Cruiser's post is mostly about Flash and Bisu. Most other guys would probably take the money and participate in whatever tournament is available. The idea that the SC1 korean scene is that healthy that they can skip tournaments with a decent prize pool and just focus on the AfreecaTV fans is frankly ridiculous (for guys other than Flash, Bisu etc..) Hi. I run tournaments. They can. (also as one of the only people who runs tournaments that allow koreans) | ||
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Cruiser0929
516 Posts
On September 26 2020 04:33 oxKnu wrote: I think Cruiser's post is mostly about Flash and Bisu. Most other guys would probably take the money and participate in whatever tournament is available. The idea that the SC1 korean scene is that healthy that they can skip tournaments with a decent prize pool and just focus on the AfreecaTV fans is frankly ridiculous (for guys other than Flash, Bisu etc..) I will explain more. What you forget is that the author of this article wants an ASL quality tournament. They will never spend 2-3 months in a tournament that Korean fans are not interested in. To explain this, you need to know about Korean culture They don't just take part in tournaments for prize money. In fact, Rush recently reached RO16 with perfect performance. And he was congratulated by countless StarCraft fans and received 30000 star balloons in 2 hours. 30000 starballoon = $3000. All gamers are like this. The higher they advance, the more congratulations and money they receive from korean starcraft fans. If Korean fans aren't interested in the two or three month tournaments they take part in, the fans won't even know they've won the tournament. Tournaments that end in one day, such as Have At You, can participate. It's not just a big tournament, it's an online tournament, not offline. They can participate for prize money And I am correct about Flash and Bisu Actually, ASL's average number of viewers fluctuates greatly depending on whether Flash and Bisu participate. If you are planning the best tournaments of ASL quality, can you imagine them not participating? | ||
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Cruiser0929
516 Posts
On September 26 2020 04:05 martoto088 wrote: @Cruiser0929 thank you a lot for the input! As I knew from the beggining it will be a pain and close to impossible to do something like that. What is your opinion/advise? Do you think ASL will be interested if from a foreigner tournament top 8 (for example only) on top of prize pool can participate in future ASL? Do you think $150k budget for all will be enough? It looks like not... Do you know any way a can contact Afreeca and give them my idea? Maybe I can be just a sponsor and they do all the stuff if interested. Dunno, what advise can you give? That sounds pretty cool. Perhaps that could work? check the PM | ||
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CasterMuse
395 Posts
On September 26 2020 05:00 Cruiser0929 wrote: I will explain more. What you forget is that the author of this article wants an ASL quality tournament. They will never spend 2-3 months in a tournament that Korean fans are not interested in. To explain this, you need to know about Korean culture They don't just take part in tournaments for prize money. In fact, Rush recently reached RO16 with perfect performance. And he was congratulated by countless StarCraft fans and received 30000 star balloons in 2 hours. 30000 starballoon = $3000. All gamers are like this. The higher they advance, the more congratulations and money they receive from korean starcraft fans. If Korean fans aren't interested in the two or three month tournaments they take part in, the fans won't even know they've won the tournament. Tournaments that end in one day, such as Have At You, can participate. It's not just a big tournament, it's an online tournament, not offline. They can participate for prize money And I am correct about Flash and Bisu Actually, ASL's average number of viewers fluctuates greatly depending on whether Flash and Bisu participate. If you are planning the best tournaments of ASL quality, can you imagine them not participating? | ||
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